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[guigafs15]

 

 

Thanks for unknowingly proving my point. Lol there are parts she isn't even moving her lips. She frequently "steps out" during a vocal and lets a track play and sometimes sings along but it isn't lipping in the same way I'd classify any of celine's. The comments seem to agree on that video. It's not exactly presented as a lip sync.

 

One difference being each performance on that born this way tour will differ in that sometimes she sings along more or less during a dance choreo. It's a conscious choice during a dance routine, and yes choruses may receive some help.

 

I understand it's not a million percent live in the sense that she is receiving some help. In a 2 hour performance it would be unrealistic for her to carry the chorus for the sake of it sounding decent during a dance routine...but in shorter performances or promos she often WILL try harder on choruses.

 

Celine hasn't performed a song in this sort of manner since unison maybe....so its definitely a different sort or comparison.

 

You are just getting excuses. The fact the she lipsync badly doesn't mean she's not lipsyncing. She's clearly pretending to sing.

 

And I even disagreed with you point about Celine. Gaga is doing playback in the parts the are harder for her to sing (in her case, because of the dancing).

 

Celine does the exclatly same, not for the dance, but because it's too difficult (and dangerous) for her to hit, every night, in 150 shows a year (more or less) notes like that one in ABM. The vocal cords just can't take it. (If you doubt that, go look for Mariah videos. And that because in her prime time she did only like 15 shows in each tour).

 

The bottom line is: that's not a big deal. It's completely understandable the use of playback, even for Gaga, cause it is hard to dance and sing at the same time. She should be humble about it and stop throwing rocks at others artist, because if they throw back she can't take the hit.

 

That's the problem with hypocrisy.

[rfkavanagh]

Was it the Grammys in 97? Someone posted it above. I think that's her most "broken" attempt, but actually I think the way she hit was a stylistic choice--just one that she didn't execute well. Because there was a big moment right when she recaptured the fadeaway and soared back--that's when more music flooded in.

 

Even so, she continued to sing ABM live all throughout the 90s and did better than before.

 

I just watched that and it's possible it's the one I remember. Apparently I was much more critical in the '90s, because that didn't sound at all as obviously wrong as I remember it!

[jpatdeleon09]

You are just getting excuses. The fact the she lipsync badly doesn't mean she's not lipsyncing. She's clearly pretending to sing.

 

And I even disagreed with you point about Celine. Gaga is doing playback in the parts the are harder for her to sing (in her case, because of the dancing).

 

Celine does the exclatly same, not for the dance, but because it's too difficult (and dangerous) for her to hit, every night, in 150 shows a year (more or less) notes like that one in ABM. The vocal cords just can't take it. (If you doubt that, go look for Mariah videos. And that because in her prime time she did only like 15 shows in each tour).

 

The bottom line is: that's not a big deal. It's completely understandable the use of playback, even for Gaga, cause it is hard to dance and sing at the same time. She should be humble about it and stop throwing rocks at others artist, because if they throw back she can't take the hit.

 

That's the problem with hypocrisy.

 

[Céline RO]

It's really amazing that she was performing ABM entirely live all the time on the 90s, even the big note

 

And then in 2008, when she was hitting the note even better, she started lipping it. Strange.

[Céline RO]

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I'm curious what Celine is going to do in 15 years. Will she be able to pull off the big notes without help? Will it be even more obvious when the playback starts? Maybe she will stop using playback at some point.

 

When it comes to Céline, there is no way to predict what the future’s gonna be like. 15 years ago it was 2005 and, in my opinion, her voice is better now. Therefore, I’m not at all worried. I don’t think her voice will be that different to how it’s always been, unless she gets even better.

Edited May 9, 2020 at 07:09 AM by Céline RO

[Tyler1991]

The broken attempt was definitely taratata.

 

Her best attempt was february 14th 2008.

[Tyler1991]

 

 

You are just getting excuses. The fact the she lipsync badly doesn't mean she's not lipsyncing. She's clearly pretending to sing.

 

And I even disagreed with you point about Celine. Gaga is doing playback in the parts the are harder for her to sing (in her case, because of the dancing).

 

Celine does the exclatly same, not for the dance, but because it's too difficult (and dangerous) for her to hit, every night, in 150 shows a year (more or less) notes like that one in ABM. The vocal cords just can't take it. (If you doubt that, go look for Mariah videos. And that because in her prime time she did only like 15 shows in each tour).

 

The bottom line is: that's not a big deal. It's completely understandable the use of playback, even for Gaga, cause it is hard to dance and sing at the same time. She should be humble about it and stop throwing rocks at others artist, because if they throw back she can't take the hit.

 

That's the problem with hypocrisy.

 

We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. IMO, there is a substantial difference between singing along with a backing track and just outright lipping.

 

I'd love to discuss this more but we're probably not far from being yelled at for hijacking the coronavirus updates thread into lady gaga chat.

Edited May 9, 2020 at 08:37 AM by Tyler1991

[scielle]

Billboard: “Who Should Do a Concert Special Next?”

https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/9374596/vote-concert-special-ariana-grande-bts

Edited May 9, 2020 at 01:14 PM by scielle

[DionFanAlways]

Billboard: "Who Should Do a Concert Special Next?"

https://www.billboar...iana-grande-bts

Hey almost 2 %! (I'm an optimist) I voted for what it's worth.

[jpatdeleon09]

https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/9374596/vote-concert-special-ariana-grande-bts

 

Céline is in Top 5. Let's keep on voting!

Edited May 9, 2020 at 01:36 PM by jpatdeleon09

[Del]

 

Disagree.

The whole point of going to a live show is to hear something different. If I wanted to hear exactly whats on record, Id just listen to the record (for no incremental cost). Especially for someone who is ostensibly a performer and interpreter of song, not a songwriter.

She needs to do more improv, not less.

 

I believe Rene was the stickler for having everything in performance be exactly as recorded, and that was my one major issue with his approach. Look what it got us - 20+ years of all the same songs sounding exactly the same.

 

I expect more from a real artist, and am glad Celine is finally starting to take liberties with these songs. Long overdue.

I agree it's annoying that he wanted it exactly like the CD. I remember seeing TCWT in Montreal and blown away by Je Sais Pas. Then we got the live CD and DVD and the magic of the live performance was gone as it was done just like the CD and wasn't playing around with it anymore.

 

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[scielle]

Hey almost 2 %! (I'm an optimist) I voted for what it's worth.

 

Well, there's good reason the BTS girls are called an "army"!

[Del]

 

Im curious what Celine is going to do in 15 years. Will she be able to pull off the big notes without help? Will it be even more obvious when the playback starts? Maybe she will stop using playback at some point.

She'll have no choice but to remove some songs from being performed. It's not realistic to think she'll still be able to hit all those notes. Her voice will keep changing as she ages and keeping certainly songs with make it obvious there's "help".

 

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[Tyler1991]

She'll have no choice but to remove some songs from being performed. It's not realistic to think she'll still be able to hit all those notes. Her voice will keep changing as she ages and keeping certainly songs with make it obvious there's "help".

 

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Does anyone think that a 62 year old celine would be more likely to sing tpol or iacbtmn LIVE than a current celine?

 

Of course not in the regular arrangement but something like an acoustic or stripped down rendition.

[AdrienneM]

 

 

Does anyone think that a 62 year old celine would be more likely to sing tpol or iacbtmn LIVE than a current celine?

 

Of course not in the regular arrangement but something like an acoustic or stripped down rendition.

 

To be absolutely frank and honest, the fact that it’s clear she could still consistently pull IACBTMN off in its current key still baffles me and makes me wonder if the reason she still lips it is simply because she doesn’t care for it (it’s literally no harder than Think Twice, especially in its shortened form, and we’ve heard her do it twice in 2019, with little effort). Like TPOL she struggled with in 1993, so I can’t expect her to sing that song in the current key live, another semitone down, probably she could. I’ve been saying, and would love to see, her do BYLM/IACBTMN/TPOL in a striped medley with maybe just Elise, Dawn and Barnev and Kevin on guitar.

[jpatdeleon09]

If i were to pick which songs that were lipped onstage to be sang live. I’ll pick IACBTMN - i mean she can do it but this song is very different if she sang it live. It makes the song even more special. And i really love the ending “if you forgive me all this....” this should be part of the song instead of repeating the words (IACBTMN) with different runs. It’s great but i still prefer the original lines

 

Remember this rehearsal last year in London?

 

 

1997

 

Edited May 9, 2020 at 04:43 PM by jpatdeleon09

[PuraVida]

She'll have no choice but to remove some songs from being performed. It's not realistic to think she'll still be able to hit all those notes. Her voice will keep changing as she ages and keeping certainly songs with make it obvious there's "help".

 

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I don't know about a specific cut-off, but 60 is no longer what it used to be. I mean, you look at Chaka Khan, Patti, or even Aretha...they could pull off some stellar things at 60 years old.

 

I think it really comes down to the specific voice type each person has, but still. I think if Celine relies on her mixed voice a lot more, she can probably pull things off. And Celine seems to have preserved her voice better than almost anyone. But yes, she would definitely need to take some songs down in the key and alter how she hits notes.

 

I mean, who would have thought that she would ever be hitting those notes in Purple Rain...?!

Edited May 9, 2020 at 04:52 PM by PuraVida

[Del]

 

Does anyone think that a 62 year old celine would be more likely to sing tpol or iacbtmn LIVE than a current celine?

 

Of course not in the regular arrangement but something like an acoustic or stripped down rendition.

Well I wouldn't put it past some people. Lol I can see some still think she can pull it off.

 

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[Ajax]

If i were to pick which songs that were lipped onstage to be sang live. I’ll pick IACBTMN - i mean she can do it but this song is very different if she sang it live. It makes the song even more special. And i really love the ending “if you forgive me all this....” this should be part of the song instead of repeating the words (IACBTMN) with different runs. It’s great but i still prefer the original lines

 

Remember this rehearsal last year in London?

 

 

1997

 

 

I’m really not impressed with this London rehearsal. It s nice. But the dynamic is way behind the pre recorded track, she is slightly flat on some notes if we can call it flat and she has this potato voice here and there. I’m still curious how she would sound in real conditions I mean by putting more efforts.

[Tyler1991]

 

 

To be absolutely frank and honest, the fact that it’s clear she could still consistently pull IACBTMN off in its current key still baffles me and makes me wonder if the reason she still lips it is simply because she doesn’t care for it (it’s literally no harder than Think Twice, especially in its shortened form, and we’ve heard her do it twice in 2019, with little effort). Like TPOL she struggled with in 1993, so I can’t expect her to sing that song in the current key live, another semitone down, probably she could. I’ve been saying, and would love to see, her do BYLM/IACBTMN/TPOL in a striped medley with maybe just Elise, Dawn and Barnev and Kevin on guitar.

 

I would love something like that, or like the oprah 1997 medley (but at least one of the three needed a climax).

 

I think that nowadays it has less to do with difficulty and more to do with public perception of how people know these songs sound.

 

If it's one of the hit songs that is largely responsible for filling the arena, chances are it will be lipped to ensure the crowd hears it how they are accustomed too.

 

A bum note in purple rain wouldn't be as memorable as her croaking at the "becaaaaause of youuuuuuu" transition in bylm.

 

Nobody in cleveland remmebers her struggle on the reason but they would abm.

 

I think back in the day difficulty was more of a factor. To some extent it still is -that can't be entirely dismissed. But often now she'll drop songs instead of lipping them.

 

2017 tour receiving live performances from SIX different playback songs still slays my soul to oblivion. That's the kinda s*** that gets me posting more positive instead of negative. Lol

[Céline RO]

I don't know about a specific cut-off, but 60 is no longer what it used to be. I mean, you look at Chaka Khan, Patti, or even Aretha...they could pull off some stellar things at 60 years old.

 

I think it really comes down to the specific voice type each person has, but still. I think if Celine relies on her mixed voice a lot more, she can probably pull things off. And Celine seems to have preserved her voice better than almost anyone. But yes, she would definitely need to take some songs down in the key and alter how she hits notes.

 

I mean, who would have thought that she would ever be hitting those notes in Purple Rain...?!

 

I agree but I don’t think we should be comparing Céline to other vocalists, simply because there’s never been a vocalist quite like her. By that I mean both the very “clean” and healthy lifestyle and the enormous amount of discipline and dedication. I remember Jeff Smallwood said in an interview in October that Céline does vocal exercises for 2 hours before each show (in addition to the soundcheck) and her vocal coach was saying back in September that Céline works on her voice more than ever and it shows. I’m excited to see just how well all of this will pay off. I think we’ll all be stunned.

[Céline RO]

I'm really not impressed with this London rehearsal. It s nice. But the dynamic is way behind the pre recorded track, she is slightly flat on some notes if we can call it flat and she has this potato voice here and there. I'm still curious how she would sound in real conditions I mean by putting more efforts.

 

In Carpool Karaoke she did on that first verse and it was just like the pre recorded track, with some added runs.

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

I’m really not impressed with this London rehearsal. It s nice. But the dynamic is way behind the pre recorded track, she is slightly flat on some notes if we can call it flat and she has this potato voice here and there. I’m still curious how she would sound in real conditions I mean by putting more efforts.

 

Well, it’s just a rehearsal and obviously she’s not putting her 100 percent on that rehearsal with IACBTMN but at least it’s kinda close to the sound of the p track and she can still do it. That’s why in order to hear the the real sound she needs to sing it full live onstage not just in rehearsals. I’m hoping to hear this in full version soon. We already heard a full live version if MHWGO 2015, The Reason, and i hope this is the next one.

Edited May 9, 2020 at 07:11 PM by jpatdeleon09

[Alex_Incognito]

I highly doubt that they would perform in an arena if they were doing a virtual concert. It would probably be on a soundstage.

[Céline RO]

To be absolutely frank and honest, the fact that it's clear she could still consistently pull IACBTMN off in its current key still baffles me and makes me wonder if the reason she still lips it is simply because she doesn't care for it (it's literally no harder than Think Twice, especially in its shortened form, and we've heard her do it twice in 2019, with little effort).

 

You’ve got a really good point.

[AdrienneM]

 

 

I would love something like that, or like the oprah 1997 medley (but at least one of the three needed a climax).

 

I think that nowadays it has less to do with difficulty and more to do with public perception of how people know these songs sound.

 

If it's one of the hit songs that is largely responsible for filling the arena, chances are it will be lipped to ensure the crowd hears it how they are accustomed too.

 

A bum note in purple rain wouldn't be as memorable as her croaking at the "becaaaaause of youuuuuuu" transition in bylm.

 

Nobody in cleveland remmebers her struggle on the reason but they would abm.

 

I think back in the day difficulty was more of a factor. To some extent it still is -that can't be entirely dismissed. But often now she'll drop songs instead of lipping them.

 

2017 tour receiving live performances from SIX different playback songs still slays my soul to oblivion. That's the kinda s*** that gets me posting more positive instead of negative. Lol

 

The thing is though, if she does lightly crack or miss a note or so, by the time she’s hits other successfully most of the audience will have forgotten. And the only times her cracks are super bad or noticeable is when She’s already under the weather or not doing great to begin with.

 

And I agree, a lot of it comes from her knowing they want to hear it a specific way, when it comes to these songs, they don’t want to hear it 2 or 3 keys lower, they want to Hear it as close and as flawless to the studio version as possible. I also do consider how much of it comes down to her just not giving a single care about those songs in their current forms anymore after singing them non stop for the past 20-30 years because she’s cant not do them.

 

At this point I never expect to hear the ABM high note live again, maybe the ending note, but not the big note ever again. I could however and wouldn’t have a hard time imagining (because I know for a fact she can do it) BYLM and IACBTMN. The only reason I can think of why she made that track for BYLM In 2015 is because it genuinely bores her to tears and she doesn’t want to put in effort vocally for a song she’s cares little about. TPOL is tricky, I could see her maybe taking it down another semitone to the key she did it on Top of The Pops, but even then I can’t see her sustaining a C#5 the way she did in 1993 to mimic the studio version and to be honest that key would be as low as she can go without sounding super froggy and the song losing its magic

[Chantemoi]

 

 

I’m curious what Celine is going to do in 15 years. Will she be able to pull off the big notes without help? Will it be even more obvious when the playback starts? Maybe she will stop using playback at some point.

 

Maybe she’ll finally abandon the hits she doesn’t like singing, and rearrange the ones she does!

[PuraVida]

 

 

The thing is though, if she does lightly crack or miss a note or so, by the time she’s hits other successfully most of the audience will have forgotten. And the only times her cracks are super bad or noticeable is when She’s already under the weather or not doing great to begin with.

 

And I agree, a lot of it comes from her knowing they want to hear it a specific way, when it comes to these songs, they don’t want to hear it 2 or 3 keys lower, they want to Hear it as close and as flawless to the studio version as possible. I also do consider how much of it comes down to her just not giving a single care about those songs in their current forms anymore after singing them non stop for the past 20-30 years because she’s cant not do them.

 

At this point I never expect to hear the ABM high note live again, maybe the ending note, but not the big note ever again. I could however and wouldn’t have a hard time imagining (because I know for a fact she can do it) BYLM and IACBTMN. The only reason I can think of why she made that track for BYLM In 2015 is because it genuinely bores her to tears and she doesn’t want to put in effort vocally for a song she’s cares little about. TPOL is tricky, I could see her maybe taking it down another semitone to the key she did it on Top of The Pops, but even then I can’t see her sustaining a C#5 the way she did in 1993 to mimic the studio version and to be honest that key would be as low as she can go without sounding super froggy and the song losing its magic

 

I think we tend to forget that for the in-person audience, it’s pretty hard to tell if a key has been lowered just a tad. It’s the people back home listening to recordings that can easily tell...I forget which interview I heard with a singer where they said that the audience never really can tell.

 

Obviously there’s a cut off point, and with big/sustained iconic notes you might notice, but I think generally it’s hard. You are also caught up in the volume, stage presence, emotion, etc.

[Tyler1991]

 

 

The thing is though, if she does lightly crack or miss a note or so, by the time she’s hits other successfully most of the audience will have forgotten. And the only times her cracks are super bad or noticeable is when She’s already under the weather or not doing great to begin with.

 

And I agree, a lot of it comes from her knowing they want to hear it a specific way, when it comes to these songs, they don’t want to hear it 2 or 3 keys lower, they want to Hear it as close and as flawless to the studio version as possible. I also do consider how much of it comes down to her just not giving a single care about those songs in their current forms anymore after singing them non stop for the past 20-30 years because she’s cant not do them.

 

At this point I never expect to hear the ABM high note live again, maybe the ending note, but not the big note ever again. I could however and wouldn’t have a hard time imagining (because I know for a fact she can do it) BYLM and IACBTMN. The only reason I can think of why she made that track for BYLM In 2015 is because it genuinely bores her to tears and she doesn’t want to put in effort vocally for a song she’s cares little about. TPOL is tricky, I could see her maybe taking it down another semitone to the key she did it on Top of The Pops, but even then I can’t see her sustaining a C#5 the way she did in 1993 to mimic the studio version and to be honest that key would be as low as she can go without sounding super froggy and the song losing its magic

 

I found it very interesting bylm and mhwgo switched normals in 2015. Maybe the percentage and maintaining that percentage holds some weight too.

[JoshRafa21]

 

 

I’m curious what Celine is going to do in 15 years. Will she be able to pull off the big notes without help? Will it be even more obvious when the playback starts? Maybe she will stop using playback at some point.

 

 

If she stop doing Vegas residency.. Maybe she can pull off the big notes without any playback in the next 15 years..

 

Remember her 2011-2012 era, her vocals was on fire! Actually, better than the 2003-2009 era.. She showcased some techniques that she never did during 90's.. Especially on the ending notes of 'All By Myself'..