Courage World Tour - EU shows CANCELED

[PuraVida]

 

 

In totality breaking medleys up, she sings 23 songs, 6 songs have playback elements. Because You Loved Me and To Love You More are the only songs entirely lipped, IACBTMN is 90% lipped, TPOL is like 75% lipped, All By Myself has 2 lipped notes and My Heart Will Go On is Live, excluding the climax. So there are 6 with lipped elements, not 8. But we can’t say 6 as a raw number because within those 6 songs there is live singing, only 2 are fully lipped, the others at least have a verse or under the whole song bar the climax. If we actually make it into percentages out of the 23, it has a lipped percentage of around 19.5%, if you take it as 18 it’s 25% lipped

 

Thanks for responding! Forgive me, but isn’t 6 over 23 = 26% and 6/18 = 33%

 

Didn’t she lip a lot more in Vegas or on the TCWT? I could be wrong...

[Davey84]

Didn't she lip a lot more in Vegas or on the TCWT? I could be wrong...

 

Yeah before the 2016 shows she lipped way more than now. That's why Live 2016 and Live 2017 should be released! Finally most songs 100 % live!!

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

Again, I’m always thankful for anyone posting and us chatting

 

But basically I wanted to get at what portion of her regular playlist was playback nowadays. Of course she’s not going to lip one off songs here and there, or songs she’s never actually done in a recording studio.

 

Because in Vegas she lipped a bit, I assumed (side note: while in Vegas did she lip The Reason?)

 

I gave you the list. I already separated the full live to partially lipped/live to fully lipped

 

It’s your choice to not include the removed songs (lying down, fomo, lee, regarde-moi) from the setlist that were originally part of the courage setlist that were still LIVE

 

Now, all you have to do is do the percentage haha

 

The reason was lipped only (this for vegas) from 2011-2014 (i think the only live is the ending “because of you i want you now oooh”) Then, 2015-recent (still for vegas) all were LIVE

 

How come you not know this?

Edited May 6, 2020 at 02:43 PM by jpatdeleon09

[couldawouldashoulda]

I, too, noticed that the amount of lipping went down once Rene passed away. He must’ve pushed for lipping for any number of reasons, one of which was probably to save her voice for “the career” and “the hit single/one tour.”

 

Whatever the reasons, I’m so glad she’s singing much more live these days. That may be why CWT has been my favorite tour in a looooooong time.

[PuraVida]

I, too, noticed that the amount of lipping went down once Rene passed away. He must’ve pushed for lipping for any number of reasons, one of which was probably to save her voice for “the career” and “the hit single/one tour.”

 

Whatever the reasons, I’m so glad she’s singing much more live these days. That may be why CWT has been my favorite tour in a looooooong time.

 

I wonder if it was more due to Celine or Rene, or both! Because in a interview I watched recently she said very adamantly “I want to sing all my life, and I never want anyone to say ‘You should have seen her when she was 25.’”

 

So I almost wonder if lipping was part of their plan from the beginning. For her show A New Day, I can understand why she wild lip because of the amount of shows...but then came the reduced show load in 2011 onwards and still heavy lipping percentage.

 

But, all that said, she was right all along. She is putting on just as amazing shows as when she was 25!

[AdrienneM]

 

 

Thanks for responding! Forgive me, but isn’t 6 over 23 = 26% and 6/18 = 33%

 

Didn’t she lip a lot more in Vegas or on the TCWT? I could be wrong...

 

But as I said in the post, we cannot take 6 as a whole number for the actual percentage. Mostly because out of those 6 songs, two of them (MHWGO and ABM) are over 75% live (ABM is 2 notes out of a 4 minute song) and another has the entire live opening verse (TPOL) and one has a live vocal ending of around 40 seconds (IACBTMN), it wouldn’t be fair to use that percentage

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

I wonder if it was more due to Celine or Rene, or both! Because in a interview I watched recently she said very adamantly “I want to sing all my life, and I never want anyone to say ‘You should have seen her when she was 25.’”

 

So I almost wonder if lipping was part of their plan from the beginning. For her show A New Day, I can understand why she wild lip because of the amount of shows...but then came the reduced show load in 2011 onwards and still heavy lipping percentage.

 

But, all that said, she was right all along. She is putting on just as amazing shows as when she was 25!

 

Ask Rene lol

 

That’s why when rene was gone she lipped less. You haven’t noticed that?

Edited May 6, 2020 at 03:11 PM by jpatdeleon09

[jpatdeleon09]

I, too, noticed that the amount of lipping went down once Rene passed away. He must’ve pushed for lipping for any number of reasons, one of which was probably to save her voice for “the career” and “the hit single/one tour.”

 

Whatever the reasons, I’m so glad she’s singing much more live these days. That may be why CWT has been my favorite tour in a looooooong time.

 

At least you have noticed it. Isn’t Rene a singer back then?

[PuraVida]

 

 

But as I said in the post, we cannot take 6 as a whole number for the actual percentage. Mostly because out of those 6 songs, two of them (MHWGO and ABM) are over 75% live (ABM is 2 notes out of a 4 minute song) and another has the entire live opening verse (TPOL) and one has a live vocal ending of around 40 seconds (IACBTMN), it wouldn’t be fair to use that percentage

 

Sorry, yes I did see you say that. I definitely see your reasoning. So therefore the percentages I calculated would just be the percentage of songs with at least some lipping.

[No1IrishFan]

Still nothing on the UK/Ireland shows?

 

Ireland have announced a 5 phase release of lockdown, with phase 5 planned for early August. Celine is mid September.

[jpatdeleon09]

Sorry, yes I did see you say that. I definitely see your reasoning. So therefore the percentages I calculated would just be the percentage of songs with at least some lipping.

 

Can we see it after you're done calculating it. So, other members can review it

 

(Also, name the songs too)

 

Thanks!

[PuraVida]

Still nothing on the UK/Ireland shows?

 

Ireland have announced a 5 phase release of lockdown, with phase 5 planned for early August. Celine is mid September.

 

Wow, some form of certainty at least! Is the health situation improving over there in your view?

[PuraVida]

Can we see it after you're done calculating it. So, other members can review it

 

(Also, name the songs too)

 

Thanks!

 

Bold means partially or fully lipped

 

1. It's All Coming Back to Me Now

2. That's the Way It Is

3. I'm Alive

4. If You Asked Me To

5. The Power of Love

6. Love Can Move Mountains

7. Beauty and the Beast

8. You're the Voice

9. Tout Les Blues

10. To Love You More

11. Courage

12. All By Myself

13. The Prayer

14. Imperfections

15. Because You Loved Me

16. Let's Dance

17. Another One Bites the Dust

18. Kiss

19. River Deep Mountain High

20. Lady Marmalade

21. My Heart Will Go On

22. Imagine

 

 

6/22 = 27% of the songs contain some lipping

6/18 = 35% of the songs contain some lipping (if you count the medley as one song)

Edited May 6, 2020 at 03:45 PM by PuraVida

[jpatdeleon09]

Bold means partially or fully lipped

 

1. It's All Coming Back to Me Now

2. That's the Way It Is

3. I'm Alive

4. If You Asked Me To

5. The Power of Love

6. Love Can Move Mountains

7. Beauty and the Beast

8. You're the Voice

9. Tout Les Blues

10. To Love You More

11. Courage

12. All By Myself

13. The Prayer

14. Imperfections

15. Because You Loved Me

16. Let's Dance

17. Another One Bites the Dust

18. Kiss

19. River Deep Mountain High

20. Lady Marmalade

21. My Heart Will Go On

22. Imagine

 

 

6/22 = 27% of the songs contain some lipping

6/18 = 35% of the songs contain some lipping (if you count the medley as one song)

 

So, This is the current setlist for the Anglophone show. 22 songs. Before, we can only get at least 18 songs?

 

You will not make one for the Francophone setlist? I mean, it's still part of the Courage World Tour

 

EDIT

 

LOL it will be the same since there's no lipsync for her french songs. I forgot that haha

 

How many songs in the setlist for the francophone shows? Does the francophone show has more songs compared to anglophone?

Edited May 6, 2020 at 03:58 PM by jpatdeleon09

[jpatdeleon09]

Bold means partially or fully lipped

 

1. It's All Coming Back to Me Now

2. That's the Way It Is

3. I'm Alive

4. If You Asked Me To

5. The Power of Love

6. Love Can Move Mountains

7. Beauty and the Beast

8. You're the Voice

9. Tout Les Blues

10. To Love You More

11. Courage

12. All By Myself

13. The Prayer

14. Imperfections

15. Because You Loved Me

16. Let's Dance

17. Another One Bites the Dust

18. Kiss

19. River Deep Mountain High

20. Lady Marmalade

21. My Heart Will Go On

22. Imagine

 

 

6/22 = 27% of the songs contain some lipping

6/18 = 35% of the songs contain some lipping (if you count the medley as one song)

 

Can you combine francophone and anglophone since french songs are mostly live. Curious of how many percent if you combine the 2 setlist

[jpatdeleon09]

Since, that they have a loooooooong break from touring. I think there's no harm in planning on changing/updating the setlist like including more songs from the Courage album. I mean, they can do that on phone

 

Team Céline, i know some are viewing this forum. Maybe.. just maybe if you guys have time. You know, break from watching netflix for a moment. Discuss the changes for this tour. You know! Like EVOLVING it. Maybe the outfits too! - I know Céline will love this

Edited May 6, 2020 at 04:21 PM by jpatdeleon09

[guigafs15]

Question for those of you who actually understand vocal technique: Is BYLM that hard to sing?

 

In my musical ignorant mind it seems easier then a lot of song she sings live.

[jpatdeleon09]

Question for those of you who actually understand vocal technique: Is BYLM that hard to sing?

 

In my musical ignorant mind it seems easier then a lot of song she sings live.

 

Well, we know she can sing it fully live. I don't know why she chose this song to lipped it. There are other songs that can replace this.

[Céline RO]

Question for those of you who actually understand vocal technique: Is BYLM that hard to sing?

 

In my musical ignorant mind it seems easier then a lot of song she sings live.

 

It’s pretty easy (for Céline’s standards of course). Easier than most of the songs she sings live. I think it’s just because everyone knows the song and they know what it should sound like, and Céline doesn’t want to disappoint them.

[Céline RO]

 

LOL it will be the same since there's no lipsync for her french songs. I forgot that haha

 

How many songs in the setlist for the francophone shows? Does the francophone show has more songs compared to anglophone?

 

 

It’s not the same because in her French shows she doesn’t sing some of the lipped songs such as BYLM and TLYM.

 

Currently there are 23 songs in her French setlist but when the tour began there were 25. 4 of the have lipped elements.

[Céline RO]

 

Because in Vegas she lipped a bit, I assumed (side note: while in Vegas did she lip The Reason?)

 

Yes, the reason was lipped in Vegas except two performances on 8 and 9 June 2018.

[Nmj]

Bottom line is she can fully sing any of the lipped songs live, if she wanted to. It’s not that’s she incapable. It’s because she sings SO Many live performances in short spans of time whether in Vegas or on Tour, long term it would hurt her voice. If she was an artist like Streisand, do very rare performances.. she could hit every note, every song, every time with ease.

 

Next subject lol

[smw]

Bottom line is she can fully sing any of the lipped songs live, if she wanted to. It’s not that’s she incapable. It’s because she sings SO Many live performances in short spans of time whether in Vegas or on Tour, long term it would hurt her voice. If she was an artist like Streisand, do very rare performances.. she could hit every note, every song, every time with ease.

 

Next subject lol

 

Agreed! Thank you.

[stevo]

I think she often lips songs that she has to sing over and over again and probably can't physically muster the brain power and energy and emotion to sing because they bore her to death ie. BYLM

[AdrienneM]

I think she often lips songs that she has to sing over and over again and probably can't physically muster the brain power and energy and emotion to sing because they bore her to death ie. BYLM

 

I’ve thought that for the longest one. Even in late LTAL era she looked like she wanted to die every time she sang Because You Loved Me, I can only imagine how she felt about it by the time she recorded the playback track for it

[Chantemoi]

Bottom line is she can fully sing any of the lipped songs live, if she wanted to. It’s not that’s she incapable. It’s because she sings SO Many live performances in short spans of time whether in Vegas or on Tour, long term it would hurt her voice. If she was an artist like Streisand, do very rare performances.. she could hit every note, every song, every time with ease.

I think she often lips songs that she has to sing over and over again and probably can't physically muster the brain power and energy and emotion to sing because they bore her to death ie. BYLM

 

It’s surely a combination of the two. Think TPOL. She started lipping that song within a year or two of it being recorded. MHWGO is live until the bridge. Those are examples of the song being too stressful. BYLM doesn’t seem as vocally demanding, but I’m sure she’s numbed by it (and the others) by now.

Edited May 7, 2020 at 03:31 PM by Chantemoi

[scielle]

I think she often lips songs that she has to sing over and over again and probably can't physically muster the brain power and energy and emotion to sing because they bore her to death ie. BYLM

 

Well, that wouldn’t be the case if she improvised on top of them, like she does with LCMM, RDMH, Pour que tu m’aimes encore.

She needs to spend some time with jazz musicians to see how it’s done. It would server her well. Learn to completely reinvent a tune with each performance.

ABM, BYLM, etc have been exactly the same treatment for years, and it’s a bore. She could do so much more with each of these songs.

[browseceline]

 

 

It’s surely a combination of the two. Think TPOL. She started lipping that song within a year or two of it being recorded. MHWGO is live until the bridge. Those are examples of the song being too stressful. BYLM doesn’t seem as vocally demanding, but I’m sure she’s numbed by it (and the others) by now.

Then stop singing Them. Not each concert needs to have the same row of songs year after year..

 

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[SantiagoColorado]

Well, that wouldn't be the case if she improvised on top of them, like she does with LCMM, RDMH, Pour que tu m'aimes encore.

She needs to spend some time with jazz musicians to see how it's done. It would server her well. Learn to completely reinvent a tune with each performance.

ABM, BYLM, etc have been exactly the same treatment for years, and it's a bore. She could do so much more with each of these songs.

 

I don't think general audience would like to hear a different rendition of BYLM, for example, from Celine herself...

 

And also another reason to lip those songs are pretty much because Celine can't hit some notes anymore? I can think about the MHWGO climax during the past tours when she asked the audience to sing the high notes: we'll stay foreeeeever this way... or when she simply couldn't reach those notes... my guessing.

 

edit: I also think that this is due to be singing non stop since 2011...

Edited May 7, 2020 at 04:18 PM by SantiagoColorado

[jpatdeleon09]

Like me. I don’t want what she’s doing now with PQTME. I want the normal one/the original.

 

I’m ok with this even if it’s acoustic as long as she sang it normal like this

 

 

not like this