Courage World Tour - EU shows CANCELED

[mirage]

Yes I remember he said that a few times. People want to hear the exact same song.

 

Also think that why she lips her iconic hits is that they are so recognized by many people that if they sound different people would complain.

It's like that big note in ABM, people know it's there, they wait for it. Imagine if she just went flat or could not hold it long enough.

 

We would be happy if it's just something different, but i guess her general audience not. And we know they have them in mind creating a setlist

 

 

 

I believe Rene was the stickler for having everything in performance be exactly as recorded, and that was my one major issue with his approach. Look what it got us - 20+ years of all the same songs sounding exactly the same.

 

[Céline RO]

Could you imagine a Celine concert where no one is there? She's just singing to an empty stadium while it's broadcasted into the homes of people who had tickets? Celine without the crowd to feed off of would not be a good concert.

 

On the bright side, we would get professionally recorded footage of every show (provided fans record it and find a way to share it).

[browseceline]

I Just Read that the producers of deadpool2 have to pay 300.000 after a stuntwoman died on the set because of the area not being safe. Maybe Celine does not want the association with Ashes anymore?:Just a quick thought....

 

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[Bruno Portugal]

I Just Read that the producers of deadpool2 have to pay 300.000 after a stuntwoman died on the set because of the area not being safe. Maybe Celine does not want the association with Ashes anymore?:Just a quick thought....

 

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So she needs to stop singing MHWGO because Kate Winslet and Leonardo DiCaprio hated to film Titanic. Lol

[PuraVida]

She actually did lip one off songs.

 

There was an interview where someone spilled the beans on recording the track for "simply the best" , ALSO greatest love of all was totally lipped!

 

As for one off that is heabily debated - declaration of love vegas 2011. I think it is lipped. No solid proof though.

 

Have a heart at the junos is an oldie for a one-off (at the time).

 

"Songs she's never done in a recording studio" as in covers? Like i wish, ben, goldfinger, man in the mirror, world on a string, stayin' alive...ALL those were lipped.

 

And back to my point in my post above this, all these lipsyncs above classify as STUPID to me. So glad she isn't doing these kinds anymore.

 

Yes the reason was lipped from 2011-2014. Hands down a HUGE disappointment that i bitched about nonstop. Funny enough it was my highlight from cleveland and columbus but like i surrender 2015 i was ecstatic when these STUPID playbacks were removed from the setlist.

 

Thanks Tyler! I should clarify that I meant I was skeptical she would lip songs that were not on her albums//one-offs for her World Tours. Like, if she is going to include a song like Man's World, I've Got the Music In Me, You're The Voice (of course she later decided to put that in the Vegas Show), or Lady Marmalade.....it's because she wants to riff on them and bring that energy specifically on stage. Same goes for Refuse to Dance, Love Is All We Need, etc. etc.

 

Based on that criteria, unless I'm missing something, only Stayin' Alive seems to be the exception...which is definitely so stupid.

 

I know she has gone into the studio to record Greatest Love of All and others you mentioned. Show Must Go On at the Billboards too. But the world tours seemed to be quite different. But the World Tours seemed to be different like I said; like if she were to lip Can't Help Falling In Love I would be shocked!

[PuraVida]

Could you imagine a Celine concert where no one is there? She's just singing to an empty stadium while it's broadcasted into the homes of people who had tickets? Celine without the crowd to feed off of would not be a good concert.

 

I think she has enough of her own energy to fill a stadium

 

"Is that alright Las Vegas?!!?!"

 

*silence*

Edited May 8, 2020 at 09:08 AM by PuraVida

[jpatdeleon09]

Why the hell are we talking about Lipsync at the first place?

LOL The mod should make a new topic called “lipsync”.

 

@ PuraVida may i ask if are you a new fan? How come you don’t know about the lip sync tracks? Usually, Céline fans mostly know this actually, Fans usually know this... and so obvious if she’s using one becuase she keeps using it after 10 years. She’s giving us clues that she’s doing it. Just curious. It’s just a question

 

I think her longest pre recorded track that she used was TPOL 1994-2009. I don’t know if how long will the new teack for TPOL will stay. 2011-recent

Edited May 8, 2020 at 10:06 AM by jpatdeleon09

[PuraVida]

Why the hell are we talking about Lipsync at the first place?

LOL The mod should make a new topic called "lipsync".

 

@ PuraVida may i ask if are you a new fan? How come you don't know about the lip sync tracks? Usually, Céline fans mostly know this actually, Fans usually know this... and so obvious if she's using one becuase she keeps using it after 10 years. She's giving us clues that she's doing it. Just curious. It's just a question

 

I think her longest pre recorded track that she used was TPOL 1994-2009. I don't know if how long will the new teack for TPOL will stay. 2011-recent

 

Not a new fan I've been a fan for many years, so I know about her lipping habits just as much as the next fan and the history of the tracks she has lipped. The thing was that I have not been keeping up with the Courage World Tour very much--which is what I was specifically curious about.

 

I only got to thinking about it because I saw a video in which Lady Gaga was criticizing people who lip sync, and it got me thinking about our own Celine and the morality of lip syncing. But that's not the debate I started, I just simply questioned her Courage World Tour practices.

Edited May 8, 2020 at 10:18 AM by PuraVida

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

Not a new fan I've been a fan for many years, so I know about her lipping habits just as much as the next fan and the history of the tracks she has lipped. The thing was that I have not been keeping up with the Courage World Tour very much--which is what I was specifically curious about.

 

I only got to thinking about it because I saw a video in which Lady Gaga was criticizing people who lip sync, and it got me thinking about our own Celine and the morality of lip syncing. But that's not the debate I started, I just simply questioned her Courage World Tour practices.

 

Ahh ok just asking. I thought you’re a new fan. I’m just curious why all of sudden lipsync was brought up suddenly.

 

No worries

[Céline RO]

I think her longest pre recorded track that she used was TPOL 1994-2009. I don't know if how long will the new teack for TPOL will stay. 2011-recent

 

She’s still using part of the TLYM track (the ending) from more than 24 years ago. That’s the longest.

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

She’s still using part of the TLYM track (the ending) from more than 24 years ago. That’s the longest.

 

Really? I will listen to it again later if they really recycled it.

Edited May 8, 2020 at 04:41 PM by jpatdeleon09

[guigafs15]

 

I only got to thinking about it because I saw a video in which Lady Gaga was criticizing people who lip sync, and it got me thinking about our own Celine and the morality of lip syncing.

 

Well, Gaga is a hypocrite. She lipsync like hell. She call "pre-record base" but mostly you can't hear her live voice through playback, while her lips keep moving. That's lipsync.

[Tyler1991]

 

 

Well, Gaga is a hypocrite. She lipsync like hell. She call "pre-record base" but mostly you can't hear her live voice through playback, while her lips keep moving. That's lipsync.

 

You are deeply incorrect.

Check out the mic feed from the superbowl.

 

It's easy to hear when gaga is or isn't singing and when she isn't she is not trying to fake it.

 

I think i know what you're referring too. Sometimes during a high choreo during a chorus she may "step out" from the vocal and let a backing track do the chorus....the volume difference is so astounding and she makes no attempt to cover this up as a lipsync....so honestly you are REACHING at best.

Edited May 8, 2020 at 06:35 PM by Tyler1991

[Tyler1991]

 

 

Thanks Tyler! I should clarify that I meant I was skeptical she would lip songs that were not on her albums//one-offs for her World Tours. Like, if she is going to include a song like Man's World, I've Got the Music In Me, You're The Voice (of course she later decided to put that in the Vegas Show), or Lady Marmalade.....it's because she wants to riff on them and bring that energy specifically on stage. Same goes for Refuse to Dance, Love Is All We Need, etc. etc.

 

Based on that criteria, unless I'm missing something, only Stayin' Alive seems to be the exception...which is definitely so stupid.

 

I know she has gone into the studio to record Greatest Love of All and others you mentioned. Show Must Go On at the Billboards too. But the world tours seemed to be quite different. But the World Tours seemed to be different like I said; like if she were to lip Can't Help Falling In Love I would be shocked!

 

Wouldn't i wish, ben, man in the mirror, goldfinger, world on a string all fit that category too?

Edited May 8, 2020 at 06:28 PM by Tyler1991

[JoshRafa21]

A little bit late about the 'lipping' thing.. But I think one of the main reason of René was the incident happened during the 'Celine Dion En Concert' Time (not sure if it's the correct era, lol) when Céline lost her voice during that time because of no proper trainings, proper techniques, etc.

 

They were adviced to be 'more careful' if they want/or Céline to stay on that field.. Which led to use a pre-recorded tracks starting from TCOML era..

[Tyler1991]

A little bit late about the 'lipping' thing.. But I think one of the main reason of René was the incident happened during the 'Celine Dion En Concert' Time (not sure if it's the correct era, lol) when Céline lost her voice during that time because of no proper trainings, proper techniques, etc.

 

They were adviced to be 'more careful' if they want/or Céline to stay on that field.. Which led to use a pre-recorded tracks starting from TCOML era..

 

At least Iyamt and wdmhbn debut during the 1992 tour.

 

TCOML disney concert in sep 93 is precisely the halfway point inbetween the celine dion and colour of my love tours.

 

The concert features five songs that are known to have pre-recordings, yet only two of those are present in this concert. The other three songs (misled, OOR, and TPOL) were lipped to studio tracks.

 

It can be reasonably inferred that the two songs in this concert that had tracks had them because they were ready from the previous tour.

 

At least three months after the disney special it is confirmed that TPOL and misled are lipped on TCOML tour to their new tracks. No footage of OOR until 1996 but i believe it was made for 94 tour also.

 

Additionally, there is one performance in 1992, a charity benefit, where the WDMHBN track is first seen. So any doubt is erased by this.

Edited May 8, 2020 at 07:01 PM by Tyler1991

[rfkavanagh]

A little bit late about the 'lipping' thing.. But I think one of the main reason of René was the incident happened during the 'Celine Dion En Concert' Time (not sure if it's the correct era, lol) when Céline lost her voice during that time because of no proper trainings, proper techniques, etc.

 

They were adviced to be 'more careful' if they want/or Céline to stay on that field.. Which led to use a pre-recorded tracks starting from TCOML era..

 

Granted it's a little later than your example, but wasn't there also the awards show where she didn't manage to sustain The Note in ABM? I think it was the AMAs, maybe 1996 or 1997? I'm sure the idea of that ever happening again terrified them, particularly on one of the major show-notes that everyone waits for. But it also showed everyone she wasn't lip-syncing that time...

[PuraVida]

 

 

Wouldn't i wish, ben, man in the mirror, goldfinger, world on a string all fit that category too?

 

I mean, lipping is lipping and should be frowned upon (depending on your perspective). But I’ve noticed that for whatever reason her world tours she doesn’t lip the non-album songs as much/at all.

 

And I don’t count Vegas as a world tour

Edited May 8, 2020 at 07:54 PM by PuraVida

[PuraVida]

 

 

Granted it's a little later than your example, but wasn't there also the awards show where she didn't manage to sustain The Note in ABM? I think it was the AMAs, maybe 1996 or 1997? I'm sure the idea of that ever happening again terrified them, particularly on one of the major show-notes that everyone waits for. But it also showed everyone she wasn't lip-syncing that time...

 

I thought she only performed it for Billboard in 97 and Grammys in 97...I don’t think she ever performed ABM for any other award show? Could be wrong tho

[guigafs15]

 

 

You are deeply incorrect.

Check out the mic feed from the superbowl.

 

It's easy to hear when gaga is or isn't singing and when she isn't she is not trying to fake it.

 

I think i know what you're referring too. Sometimes during a high choreo during a chorus she may "step out" from the vocal and let a backing track do the chorus....the volume difference is so astounding and she makes no attempt to cover this up as a lipsync....so honestly you are REACHING at best.

 

I'm going to leave this in here and settled.

 

(Watch from 1:20 minutes).

 

I, personally,don't see any problem in there. But she should just shut up that fake morality.

 

 

[jpatdeleon09]

[Céline RO]

Granted it's a little later than your example, but wasn't there also the awards show where she didn't manage to sustain The Note in ABM? I think it was the AMAs, maybe 1996 or 1997? I'm sure the idea of that ever happening again terrified them, particularly on one of the major show-notes that everyone waits for. But it also showed everyone she wasn't lip-syncing that time...

 

Wasn’t it Taratata 1996?

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

Wasn’t it Taratata 1996?

 

Maybe he was talking about this performance?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihVoHCDV8ik

Edited May 8, 2020 at 08:39 PM by jpatdeleon09

[PuraVida]

Granted it's a little later than your example, but wasn't there also the awards show where she didn't manage to sustain The Note in ABM? I think it was the AMAs, maybe 1996 or 1997? I'm sure the idea of that ever happening again terrified them, particularly on one of the major show-notes that everyone waits for. But it also showed everyone she wasn't lip-syncing that time...

 

For what it's worth, she did very well with ABM in her LTAL World Tour, really better than ever.

[ryba]

It’s really amazing that she was performing ABM entirely live all the time on the 90s, even the big note

[rfkavanagh]

I thought she only performed it for Billboard in 97 and Grammys in 97...I don't think she ever performed ABM for any other award show? Could be wrong tho

 

I'm by no means certain it was the AMAs, so you could be totally right. And I haven't seen the performance in years so I could be misremembering, but I definitely recall a performance where she broke the note - wasn't a disaster at all and she continued like a trooper, but you could tell she was annoyed by it.

[PuraVida]

I'm by no means certain it was the AMAs, so you could be totally right. And I haven't seen the performance in years so I could be misremembering, but I definitely recall a performance where she broke the note - wasn't a disaster at all and she continued like a trooper, but you could tell she was annoyed by it.

 

Was it the Grammys in 97? Someone posted it above. I think that's her most "broken" attempt, but actually I think the way she hit was a stylistic choice--just one that she didn't execute well. Because there was a big moment right when she recaptured the fadeaway and soared back--that's when more music flooded in.

 

Even so, she continued to sing ABM live all throughout the 90s and did better than before.

Edited May 9, 2020 at 01:44 AM by PuraVida

[Tyler1991]

 

 

I'm going to leave this in here and settled.

 

(Watch from 1:20 minutes).

 

I, personally,don't see any problem in there. But she should just shut up that fake morality.

 

Thanks for unknowingly proving my point. Lol there are parts she isn't even moving her lips. She frequently "steps out" during a vocal and lets a track play and sometimes sings along but it isn't lipping in the same way I'd classify any of celine's. The comments seem to agree on that video. It's not exactly presented as a lip sync.

 

One difference being each performance on that born this way tour will differ in that sometimes she sings along more or less during a dance choreo. It's a conscious choice during a dance routine, and yes choruses may receive some help.

 

I understand it's not a million percent live in the sense that she is receiving some help. In a 2 hour performance it would be unrealistic for her to carry the chorus for the sake of it sounding decent during a dance routine...but in shorter performances or promos she often WILL try harder on choruses.

 

Celine hasn't performed a song in this sort of manner since unison maybe....so its definitely a different sort or comparison.

Edited May 9, 2020 at 01:54 AM by Tyler1991

[jpatdeleon09]

Yet she said she doesn’t do that. LOL

[beelee]

Yes I remember he said that a few times. People want to hear the exact same song.

 

Also think that why she lips her iconic hits is that they are so recognized by many people that if they sound different people would complain.

It's like that big note in ABM, people know it's there, they wait for it. Imagine if she just went flat or could not hold it long enough.

 

We would be happy if it's just something different, but i guess her general audience not. And we know they have them in mind creating a setlist

 

I’m curious what Celine is going to do in 15 years. Will she be able to pull off the big notes without help? Will it be even more obvious when the playback starts? Maybe she will stop using playback at some point.