Céline Dion Live 2017 (tour) - Official Topic

[CelineDionFreak]

I remember this was supposed to be included in LTAL, but then cut from the final setlist. What I can't remember is why. Was it due to a disagreement with the final mixing, didn't find it good enough for the final cut or something else?

I thought I've always heard that the titanic took its place or something. It's a shame because if it was on that album, who knows, maybe we'd get a live performance or two every few years. (But knowing Celine's team, who are we kidding )

Edited March 17, 2017 at 02:19 AM by CelineDionFreak

[nomys]

I would love Celine to cover Tina Turner s Dancing in my Dreams . Would be epic

[stevo]

I would love Celine to cover Tina Turner s Dancing in my Dreams . Would be epic

 

That's one of my favourite songs 😍

[Celinex]

 

 

Vocally that would be very embarrassing for Kylie, they aren't exactly in the same league.

 

She can hold her own and sings live in every show

 

Edited March 17, 2017 at 05:19 PM by Celinex

[Celinex]

[RosieBarron]

She can hold her own and sings live in every show

 

https://youtu.be/WoXIHnObXXM

 

But not with Celine, no one can really get close to Celine. Kylie would just be lost.

[pat200]

LOL at Kylie being able to hold her own with Celine. You need to be a big voiced singer to hold your own with Celine, unless you want Celine to just whisper or something.

[angelil78]

I actually don't want any covers for the Summer Tour. I want to hear Céline sing her own songs.

[actofcontrition]

For Is nothing sacred... dont know if its true but :

 

Céline Dion recorded "Is Nothing Sacred" in 1997 for her album "Let’s Talk About Love". Due to legal issues, it was left of the album. It is said that at one time it was intended for the soundtrack of "Titanic" instead of that other dreadful song, but all in all, not much is know.

Meat Loaf, Karine Hannah, Russell Watson and The Dream Engine have also recorded a version.

 

Is Nothing Sacred

 

Celine: Let's talk about greed

Cinemania/Music Central

By Roger Friedman

 

Part 1: Go Away, Little Girl

(Carole King vetoes publishing "tariff")

 

When Celine Dion sings "It's All Coming Back to Me Now," she really means it: The bestselling superstar is collecting a hefty percentage of the publishing rights of songs she herself did not write but performs on her new album. The album, "Let's Talk About Love," has sold about 12 million copies worldwide in its two months of release and is currently No. 2 on the Billboard Top 200. Dion does not write her own songs; she depends on professional songwriters to craft her hits. But on "Let's Talk About Love," Dion and her husband/manager, René Angelil, asked the writers of all the songs submitted to them for up to 20 percent of the publishing money. Some writers whose songs had been on previous Dion albums declined, and their songs were not used. But six songs by lesser-known writers, or writers without clout in the music industry, succumbed to Dion's demands. In one case — a song called "The Reason," co-written by Carole King, Mark Hudson and Greg Wells — the last two writers agreed to Dion's terms but were vetoed at the last minute by the veteran King, who refused to give in.

The song was still included on the album but not used — as it had been advertised prior to release — as the album's title. King's objections, however, are not reflected on the album's credits: Dion's music-publishing company, Duffield Music, is still listed as the co-publisher of "The Reason." Paul Farberman, a spokesman for Celine Dion, says that will be corrected in future printings of the album. King's manager, Lorna Guess, says, "They asked, and we said no. We never give publishing away." Guess says that King, who co-writes with many artists, has "never" been asked to do such a thing in the past by anyone.

Celine: Let's talk about greed, part 2:

If That's What It Takes

(Mixed reception, plus the official line)

 

Duffield Music's name is affixed to five more songs Celine Dion did not write, including two by Canadian pop singer Corey Hart. In this way Duffield collects royalties on songs Dion did not write; she exacted a tariff on the writers, whose songs then appear on a bestselling album. The tariff can be as much as 25 percent of the royalties. "Basically we were told it was the only way we could get on the album," says one songwriter. All the writers declined to be interviewed for this story, fearing that Sony Music or Dion and Angelil would have them blackballed. "I have never, ever, been asked to give up publishing before this," says one writer. Bruce Brault, who manages Corey Hart, acknowledged that Duffield was collecting royalties on his client's songs, but refused to comment further. A spokesman for Sony ATV Music Publishing in Canada said that Duffield was "a company controlled by Celine Dion" and referred all questions to her office.

Interestingly, Dion's demand did not work with established writers such as David Foster, the Bee Gees or Bryan Adams. "Giving away publishing" has long been a tradition in the music business, as writers have had to make compromises to get their songs recorded. Elvis Presley, Celine's defenders point out, "did it all the time." But it's not such a common practice these days: Indeed, divas like Barbra Streisand, Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey are not in the business of charging a fee to their songwriters. But Dion's hefty take on "Let's Talk About Love" is unusually high for one album. Sources claim that Angelil received "an enormous amount of money to sign artists to the label, but he hasn't done so, so this is his way of paying it back." Because Angelil demanded publishing fees, some writers of hit songs from Dion's previous, Grammy-award-winning album, "Falling Into You," declined to be included. "I know for a fact that Jim Steinman and Billy Steinberg refused to give up their publishing. I consider it extortion or blackmail," says a source. "It's tacky," says one songwriter, who recalled the singer's royal-like wedding to Angelil, which was filmed by Lifetime Television. "How much money can Celine need?"

Paul Farberman, speaking for Dion, says that he personally negotiated all the deals on the album, and adds, "I made it clear that giving us publishing was not a prerequisite to being on the album." Farberman says that when about 25 songs were chosen from demo tapes, he called each writer's representative and told them Dion was asking them to "relinquish their rights," he says. Writers who objected or declined were not omitted, he insists, from the final selection process. "And some songs were recorded anyway," he observes. But songs by Jim Steinman, Diane Warren and Billy Steinberg — all of whom had hits on previous Dion albums but refused to give up a percentage of their publishing rights — were deemed by Dion and Angelil "not among the best 14 or 15 songs. In the end it was about having the best songs." Ultimately, counters Farberman, "anyone who says we told them they couldn't be on the album otherwise is not telling the truth. It may just be a songwriter who was disappointed that they didn't make it." This is not the first time such a problem has arisen for Dion: on "Falling Into You," several songs are co-published by CRB Music, another one of her subsidiaries.

 

http://www.jimsteinman.com/sacred.htm

[Katie]

For Is nothing sacred... dont know if its true but :

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.jimsteinman.com/sacred.htm

 

All I say...The Lady is enourmously rich!

[ryba]

For Is nothing sacred... dont know if its true but :

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.jimsteinman.com/sacred.htm

thats really interesting! That Must be the reason why we have songs like skyes of la on her albums Edited March 18, 2017 at 03:10 PM by ryba

[isurrender]

Skies of L.A. is a gem.

 

And they could do that only because FYI was massive...

 

Taking Chances has so much ( prestigious)producers : they probably paid them to work on the album and they surely couldn't afford to ask for rights after 5 years ofor "hiatus".

[Celinex]

LOL at Kylie being able to hold her own with Celine. You need to be a big voiced singer to hold your own with Celine, unless you want Celine to just whisper or something.

 

She's holding her own here singing with an opera singer

 

[pat200]

the opera singer is holding back a lot LOL

 

and that is NOT an opera singer. For God's sake...

Edited March 18, 2017 at 06:01 PM by pat200

[celine4evauk]

That's Katherine Jenkins. She's a classical singer. Not an opera singer.

[chocolatechip15]

I remember this was supposed to be included in LTAL, but then cut from the final setlist. What I can't remember is why. Was it due to a disagreement with the final mixing, didn't find it good enough for the final cut or something else?

 

Back in 1997, the below was posted on the old alt.music.celine-dion, saying it was a message from Jim Steinman's production manager. (you can see the archive here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.music.celine-dion/steinman/alt.music.celine-dion/2-6t7AlqgoQ/gxw0lYK5NE0J). Who knows if it's true, but seems like it could be..

 

>Below is a message from Don Ketteler (Jim Steinman's production manager)

>explaining more about why "Is Nothing Sacred" failed to appear on

>Celine's latest release:

>

>"Don again. This is what happened with "Is Nothing Sacred." It

> was a total debacle. They didn't like our mix, and demanded a

> remix…and then another. In between all of these mixes were days (which

> we were paying studio time for because we had to leave the mix up) that

> dragged into weeks while we waited for replies. Then they decided to

> do a mix with their "team," which turned out to be more than just a

> remix, as they added production elements and made changes in the

> arrangement. We waited and waited to hear back, again. After a week

> or so we heard, through Jim's attorney, that no one (including us) was

> happy with the work they'd done,and the song wasn't going to be on the

> album. It is clear that Celine adored the song, but politics got in

> the way.

>

> Don"

[celine4evauk]

 

 

Back in 1997, the below was posted on the old alt.music.celine-dion, saying it was a message from Jim Steinman's production manager. (you can see the archive here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.music.celine-dion/steinman/alt.music.celine-dion/2-6t7AlqgoQ/gxw0lYK5NE0J). Who knows if it's true, but seems like it could be..

 

>Below is a message from Don Ketteler (Jim Steinman's production manager)

>explaining more about why "Is Nothing Sacred" failed to appear on

>Celine's latest release:

>

>"Don again. This is what happened with "Is Nothing Sacred." It

> was a total debacle. They didn't like our mix, and demanded a

> remix…and then another. In between all of these mixes were days (which

> we were paying studio time for because we had to leave the mix up) that

> dragged into weeks while we waited for replies. Then they decided to

> do a mix with their "team," which turned out to be more than just a

> remix, as they added production elements and made changes in the

> arrangement. We waited and waited to hear back, again. After a week

> or so we heard, through Jim's attorney, that no one (including us) was

> happy with the work they'd done,and the song wasn't going to be on the

> album. It is clear that Celine adored the song, but politics got in

> the way.

>

> Don"

 

Yeah this is what I always thought happened.

[Del]

 

 

Back in 1997, the below was posted on the old alt.music.celine-dion, saying it was a message from Jim Steinman's production manager. (you can see the archive here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/alt.music.celine-dion/steinman/alt.music.celine-dion/2-6t7AlqgoQ/gxw0lYK5NE0J). Who knows if it's true, but seems like it could be..

 

>Below is a message from Don Ketteler (Jim Steinman's production manager)

>explaining more about why "Is Nothing Sacred" failed to appear on

>Celine's latest release:

>

>"Don again. This is what happened with "Is Nothing Sacred." It

> was a total debacle. They didn't like our mix, and demanded a

> remix…and then another. In between all of these mixes were days (which

> we were paying studio time for because we had to leave the mix up) that

> dragged into weeks while we waited for replies. Then they decided to

> do a mix with their "team," which turned out to be more than just a

> remix, as they added production elements and made changes in the

> arrangement. We waited and waited to hear back, again. After a week

> or so we heard, through Jim's attorney, that no one (including us) was

> happy with the work they'd done,and the song wasn't going to be on the

> album. It is clear that Celine adored the song, but politics got in

> the way.

>

> Don"

Thank you for posting this. Makes you wonder what was so wrong with the mixing.

[celine4evauk]

Thank you for posting this. Makes you wonder what was so wrong with the mixing.

 

I've always wondered that. And the version we know, which remix is that? Lol

[CelineDionFreak]

 

 

I've always wondered that. And the version we know, which remix is that? Lol

Probably the remix 4th made twice removed lol 😂

[Celine Fan 77]

I wonder who leaked the song

[isurrender]

The version we have sounds unfinished to me.

 

The production is awful and it's like there's no arrangement and Céline's vocals are too loud compared to the music . The backing vocals at the start sound out of place/tune as well

[celine4evauk]

 

Probably the remix 4th made twice removed lol 😂

 

😂😄

[jpatdeleon09]

Did you all heard the different versions?

[celinesounds]

The version we have sounds unfinished to me.

 

The production is awful and it's like there's no arrangement and Céline's vocals are too loud compared to the music . The backing vocals at the start sound out of place/tune as well

 

maybe because the channels were not mixed, besides is a demo and is the best we can have by now

 

I wonder how many unreleased songs are :cry: :cry:

[celinefanonline]

maybe because the channels were not mixed, besides is a demo and is the best we can have by now

 

I wonder how many unreleased songs are :cry: :cry:

 

many........ at least 10 from 90s (she recorded 20 songs for LTAL) , and she recorded like around 30 songs for ANDHC so i would say at least 30 to 50 it can be less though.. but yeah...

[actofcontrition]

I'm glad to be a Madonna fan too because youtube is full of unreleased songs like more than 40! Wish it was the same for Celine!

[celinefanonline]

She's holding her own here singing with an opera singer

 

https://youtu.be/ejW_rbrfNdk

i like it it's not bad at all!!

but on saying that Katherine Jenkins is actually not really a opera singer but a classical singer

[scielle]

So looks like Veronic Dicaire will be the opening act for this tour (per Eric Salvail).

[scielle]

So looks like Veronic Dicaire will be the opening act for this tour (per Eric Salvail).

 

You can probably see the full interview with her from last night on here shortly: http://noovo.ca/emissions/en-mode-salvail/

 

And according to Veronic's twitter, she's doing all dates - French & English.

 

Separately, tonight's guest on En mode Salvail - Julie Snyder...