"Courage" album - Official Topic

[Nmj]

Her accent haa always been there somewhat. I feel like her earlier albums in English her accent was barely noticeable and irs weird because she had just learned English and should be better today with the language than she was 28 years ago for Unison.

 

I feel like David Foster is the only person who will get the best out of Celine and go multiple takes in the studio. Also Kara Diaguardi has proven this too. Many others probably go out of their way to not piss off Celine lol.

[DionFanAlways]

Her accent haa always been there somewhat. I feel like her earlier albums in English her accent was barely noticeable and irs weird because she had just learned English and should be better today with the language than she was 28 years ago for Unison.

 

I feel like David Foster is the only person who will get the best out of Celine and go multiple takes in the studio. Also Kara Diaguardi has proven this too. Many others probably go out of their way to not piss off Celine lol.

Lol! Yeah, Kara got to her during Surprise Surprise! I'll have to watch that again.

[Nmj]

Lol! Yeah, Kara got to her during Surprise Surprise! I'll have to watch that again.

 

Many fans probably thought that Kara was being too much or even maybe disrespectful. I, on the other hand truly respect the fact when a producer goes many takes to make it sound better. Yes shes Celine Dion, but she still must be coached and produced especially becuase she's bilingual. If it wasn't necessary she,d produce herself and save alot of money lol.

[yellowrose14]

do you think that it is possible to have a french accent in North America and make a life ? I don't think that Celine is worrrying about

RC , so it should not mystify you.

 

 

I am sure that RC and Celine don't mind at all and it could be that RC visualizes working in a francophone environment. I am super sure that my accent when speaking French is horrid and they would point and laugh! ( just kidding there). But, I guess I am just surprised that he didn't pick up English easily by osmosis as he has been living here since his birth. Rene and Celine had to really study to do this as much older people, but they had good success. .

[québecflower]

I am sure that RC and Celine don't mind at all and it could be that RC visualizes working in a francophone environment. I am super sure that my accent when speaking French is horrid and they would point and laugh! ( just kidding there). But, I guess I am just surprised that he didn't pick up English easily by osmosis as he has been living here since his birth. Rene and Celine had to really study to do this as much older people, but they had good success. .

some people have it the accent and others don't. A little french accebt from a man could just add to his charm.. The same way we find an ehglish accent charming.

[CelinesDIVO5]

Celine has said many times that they they only speak French at home, and that the staff spoke to RC in Spanish.

[nomys]

I am listening you and me duet with aznavour.would love this song sung just by celine.and I would love an album with this kind of song. Music blends with celine voice perfectly. Lovely.

[rhapsodion]

 

 

Many fans probably thought that Kara was being too much or even maybe disrespectful. I, on the other hand truly respect the fact when a producer goes many takes to make it sound better. Yes shes Celine Dion, but she still must be coached and produced especially becuase she's bilingual. If it wasn't necessary she,d produce herself and save alot of money lol.

 

Yes, I liked how kara coached her, and was trying to get out the best from her.

[jpatdeleon09]

Yes, I liked how kara coached her, and was trying to get out the best from her.

 

That's should they do to Celine so her english can be perfect again. So, no one will complain about the "accent". Before, her accent is not strong that's why David Foster loved her. Because her accent sounds american.

[Balao]

I'm curious about this since I'm not a french speaker. How is it her worst album when it comes to accent? Is it a mix up of Quebec and French accent or what?

 

I'd be interested too. I think it's just her way of singing. French is her language. She doesn't have a bad French accent. Which words ? Which sentences ? What accent could she have ? English ? And even if she has a French-Canadian accent, which I doubt, does it make it a bad accent ?

[isurrender]

Well, actually, it's less an accent than a very bad pronunciation.

That's a difference. And I expressed myself in a wrong way.

 

Songs like "EUS" or "ALPHB" are perfect but "Plus qu'ailleurs" ou " Tu sauras" are awful when it comes to pronunciation.

 

I'm a French speaker and I think that she is better with english than french nowadays.

She's like all the people in this world who move to another country actually : she tends to sound strange in both languages.

 

But I think that that's normal that her earlier English albums were more focused on that side of her singing : I don't think she would conquere the world (and the US) if she sounded bad. ..

Edited March 14, 2017 at 11:48 AM by isurrender

[angelil78]

ok thanx for the explanation.

 

But yeah it does happen to many when they live abroad for years that their accents in the own language changes, I agree with that.

[Javito]

How can she pronounce bad her own mother tongue?

[tomier]

How can she pronounce bad her own mother tongue?

I think some french in france is different than french in Quebec, so that could be why she pronounces some things differently (maybe not all songs are as noticable?). Like Portuguese in Brasil and Portugal is also pretty different. This could be part of it anyway.

[québecflower]

How can she pronounce bad her own mother tongue?

it is not so bad, just some songs, don't listen to everything you read. If you compare with others, she si more than good. She adapts the way she sings to the style, with the Zaho songs , she imitates a bit, I don't see the problem with Plus qu.ailleurs, Ordinaire is more Québécois , as it should be, the rest is ok. I don't see where is the problem seriously.

 

On Sans attentdre, if you forget Parler à mon père , who was bizarre, there is no blatant problem. And Parler à mon père is the best liked song, so i don't think it is a concern.

[québecflower]

I think some french in france is different than french in Quebec, so that could be why she pronounces some things differently (maybe not all songs are as noticable?). Like Portuguese in Brasil and Portugal is also pretty different. This could be part of it anyway.

no. she doesn't sing Québécois style , just some songs that demands it.

[Balao]

Yes! On recordings from the '90s you can hardly tell she has an accent, but nowadays it's sounds so prominent to me. Maybe I sound like a jerk, but it sort of makes it seem like she's not even trying with her pronunciation in English, and it kind of drives me crazy. It would be one thing if she had always sung that way in English, but we know how good her pronunciation was on TCOML, FIY, etc. I know she's not a native English speaker, so I don't want to seem too harsh, but we know what she's capable of when producers are more strict about it. Maybe they're too intimidated to correct her.

I didn't know Celine was French Canadian before the release of My Heart Will Go On, up to that point I thought she was a native English speaker from Canada. Although I did know she had released French music and sang in French and won Eurovision, so maybe I was just stupid. The point is though, I couldn't tell by listening to her music, and I didn't really know much about her private life. The only thing I cared about was the music.

 

It's different in interviews too, she spoke better in the 90's. Or should I say pronounced some words better, her accent wasn't as thick back then. I don't really care about that in interviews or when she speaks, but I do care about it in her music. Take When I Need You. When she says:

 

"When I need you, when I need love, I just close my eyes and I'm with you. You're only a heartbeat away."

 

That sounds great, maybe the reason I never knew was because it wasn't noticeable back then. This is all about the production, and what the production team is satisfied with.

 

 

 

This. I feel like a jerk for saying this too, but I only say it because I want her to make the best music possible with her talent. She's so amazing, and there is a reason why Falling Into You won grammy for album of the year, and that it sold like crazy. Good production. It's all about the little things as well.

 

I don't think her English pronunciation is that noticeable in her newer English albums, it's more her live performances of her "new'er" songs. She still (usually) nails the old ones.

 

You're also probably right, maybe some people are intimidated because of her talent. But their talent is the production and they should exploit it fully when they are working with Celine.

 

When I was 11 or 12 in the early nineties, I once noticed that Céline had made a mistake in an interview and I said to myself "Wow. I speak a better English than Céline Dion !"

In France, we had a singer called Dalida who sang in French with a big bel canto Italian accent. It was so cute and she had a great career and success. I think that a French accent over English is not as charming.

And probably now Céline is too big a star to be corrected by producers and managers. Remember Michael Jackson. Nobody had the guts to tell him when he was heading in the wrong way.

[québecflower]

When I was 11 or 12 in the early nineties, I once noticed that Céline had made a mistake in an interview and I said to myself "Wow. I speak a better English than Céline Dion !"

In France, we had a singer called Dalida who sang in French with a big bel canto Italian accent. It was so cute and she had a great career and success. I think that a French accent over English is not as charming.

And probably now Céline is too big a star to be corrected by producers and managers. Remember Michael Jackson. Nobody had the guts to tell him when he was heading in the wrong way.

are you comparing a little french accent to drug abuse? if it is the worst of Celine problem , i'll take it.

[Balao]

are you comparing a little french accent to drug abuse? if it is the worst of Celine problem , i'll take it.

 

What ? No I was talking about excessive surgery. No but seriously I was talking about music and pronunciation.

[Balao]

I am listening you and me duet with aznavour.would love this song sung just by celine.and I would love an album with this kind of song. Music blends with celine voice perfectly. Lovely.

 

She should record all French classics and all American standards before it's too late. Songs by Edith Piaf, Charles Aznavour, Charles Trenet and Moustaki. And in English she should cover songs made famous by Nat King Cole, Ella Fitzgerald, Janis Joplin, and written by Cole Porter, Lennon/McCartney, Paul Simon, etc.

[scielle]

She should record all French classics and all American standards before it's too late. Songs by Edith Piaf, Charles Aznavour, Charles Trenet and Moustaki. And in English she should cover songs made famous by Nat King Cole, Ella Fitzgerald, Janis Joplin, and written by Cole Porter, Lennon/McCartney, Paul Simon, etc.

 

Yes, please!

But alas, she only seems to do one record / 5 years these days, so I suspect that record is very far off.

[québecflower]

What ? No I was talking about excessive surgery. No but seriously I was talking about music and pronunciation.

so even Michael was having enunciation problems? you should realise that even when you take in accounts all of his problems , Michael Jackson on the musical side was one the best , maybe the best. And as you say , Celine is so big now , because she is so good, that producers won't stop her for problems that only a few seems to be bothered with. You just have to read the comments on How does a moment last forever i don't read things about the accent so much, one in every 1000 posts.

[Balao]

so even Michael was having enunciation problems?

 

Yes, I think. Didn't you notice ?

[québecflower]

Yes, I think. Didn't you notice ?

no, i speak french, so sometimes i notice but i can't really judge.

[Balao]

no, i speak french, so sometimes i notice but i can't really judge.

 

I speak French too.

[québecflower]

I speak French too.

in France i would say it is a must...

[isurrender]

it is not so bad, just some songs, don't listen to everything you read. If you compare with others, she si more than good. She adapts the way she sings to the style, with the Zaho songs , she imitates a bit, I don't see the problem with Plus qu.ailleurs, Ordinaire is more Québécois , as it should be, the rest is ok. I don't see where is the problem seriously.

 

On Sans attentdre, if you forget Parler à mon père , who was bizarre, there is no blatant problem. And Parler à mon père is the best liked song, so i don't think it is a concern.

 

I don't know where you live but in France , it was well noticed that her pronunciation was bad. No one says it was a problem, it's just a fact. Although it really bothers some people..

And just one example ( just one) :

"Tu sauras" : "j'irais là où tu m'emmenerAAAAs"...don't tell me it's well pronunciated.

 

But for this song , it's a luck. She imitates Zaho so much that if it wasn't for that , we could think it was Zaho. je

[LukeD]

I listened to TCOML in full yesterday. I knew all songs by heart but had never listened to the entire album from track 1 to track 14 before. Unfortunately I bought, without realizing, the American Edition of the album which omits Just Walk Away. Ironically my favourite song of the album.

 

I think TCOML is a very solid record filled with so many amazing ballads (TPOL, TT, OOR, LDAW, IRLA, JWA, TCOML). However, the uptempo songs lower its overall quality. To me, this album best describes why Celine was established as a ballads singer. Her ballads were simply so much better than the uptempo songs, which seem like album fillers in comparison. I like Misled, and Refuse To Dance is exemplary, but having annoying songs like RE, LP, NLWLY next to grandiose ballads like TPOL, TT and OOR points out the difference in quality.

 

The point of the reference to TCOML album is to suggest few things that I would like Celine to do while recording her upcoming English album. I remember us having a similar discussion about the LMBTL album, with some members suggesting how Celine should work with Sia again, while avoiding old covers, since the general perception is that the modern songs worked for LMBTL, while the covers killed its coherence.

 

So here's my DOs & DON'Ts list based on the TCOML experience:

 

DOs

 

- Power Ballads

- David Foster

- Christopher Neil

- Uptempo songs to balance out the ballad heavy album.

- Crystal clear vocals

- Coloured Album photoshoot (The orange, brown colours which are all over this album create such an elegant, vintage impression).

- Covers, only if they serve the thematic purpose of the album like TPOL and WIFIL did.

 

DON'Ts

 

- Diane Warren

- Bombastic singing approach

- Theme of Love. TCOML is one-dimensional. All songs talk about love except for RTD. Celine can tackle more topics at this point of life and career.

- Cheesy lyrics ''There is no livin' without lovin' you, it would be like livin' without being alive, without you''

 

I really hope Aldo, being her new manager, has really taken the time to listen to her old albums and point out the elements that made them so successful and eventually classic.

Edited March 16, 2017 at 12:44 AM by LukeD

[CelinesDIVO5]

I listened to TCOML in full yesterday. I knew all songs by heart but had never listened to the entire album from track 1 to track 14 before. Unfortunately I bought, without realizing, the American Edition of the album which omits Just Walk Away. Ironically my favourite song of the album.

 

I think TCOML is a very solid record filled with so many amazing ballads (TPOL, TT, OOR, LDAW, IRLA, JWA, TCOML). However, the uptempo songs lower its overall quality. To me, this album best describes why Celine was established as a ballads singer. Her ballads were simply so much better than the uptempo songs, which seem like album fillers in comparison. I like Misled, and Refuse To Dance is exemplary, but having annoying songs like RE, LP, NLWLY next to grandiose ballads like TPOL, TT and OOR points out the difference in quality.

 

The point of the reference to TCOML album is to suggest few things that I would like Celine to do while recording her upcoming English album. I remember us having a similar discussion about the LMBTL album, with some members suggesting how Celine should work with Sia again, while avoiding old covers, since the general perception is that the modern songs worked for LMBTL, while the covers killed its coherence.

 

So here's my DOs & DONTs list based on the TCOML experience:

 

DOs

 

- Power Ballads

- David Foster

- Christopher Neil

- Uptempo songs to balance out the ballad heavy album

- Crystal clear vocals

- Coloured Album photoshoot (The orange, brown colours which are all over this album create such an elegant, vintage impression)

- Covers, only if they serve the thematic purpose of the album like TPOL and WIFIL did.

 

DONTS

 

- Diane Warren

- Bombastic approach of singing.

- Theme of Love. TCOML is one-dimensional. All songs talk about love except for RTD. Celine can tackle more topics at this point of life and career.

- Cheesy lyrics ''There is no livin' without lovin' you, it would be like livin' without being alive, without you''

 

I really hope Aldo, being her new manager, has really taken the time to listen to her old albums and point out the elements that made them so successful and eventually classic.

 

I can't say she's had as cheesy of a lyric since then. Schmaltzy, yes. Cheesy, no. But the early 90s was the prime of cheese in pop music.

[Xpresso]

Funny how a few words (on an entire album) enunciated differently lead to comments like "Her worst French album", "bad accent", etc. Bring on the drama!! When you read such "alternative facts" you wonder why so many French people did buy that "terrible" album...

It's so bad I listen to it a few times a week only.

 

By the way Céline recorded the Unison album using phonetics as she couldn't really speak English. Why don't we do a petition for Céline to use phonetics again her new English and next French album??? Wouldn't that be lovely, no more natural Céline!!