Tensions between Vito Luprano and Celine/René

[light_secret]

she needs to work with Adele's team and she needs to produce her own records, co-wrote dome of her songs...celine has written few songs in the past, so i guess she needs to be involved not just in the production of the album but to the songs itself...she needs to work with younger songwriters from Sweden like Darin.

[amerikevin]

You know, Vito Luprano doens't say anything bad about Celine, he just said Celine and René doesn't work with him for the new albums and he doensn't really understand why, but now he's working for "his" artist.

 

About the book, he said Celine wrote hers, Celine wrote hims so he will write a book, too, because he has stories to tell about every songs !

I can't see anything bad around that....

 

Have a nice weekend everyone !

[kevincheung410]

You know, Vito Luprano doens't say anything bad about Celine, he just said Celine and René doesn't work with him for the new albums and he doensn't really understand why, but now he's working for "his" artist.

 

About the book, he said Celine wrote hers, Celine wrote hims so he will write a book, too, because he has stories to tell about every songs !

I can't see anything bad around that....

 

Have a nice weekend everyone !

 

happy to see this. nothing bad...

[Javito]

I want upbeat tunes for the new album, like what's in right now, a katy perry style, like it's very contemporary...she needs to re-invent herself like release a single with a rapper in it, Love The Way You Lie type...she needs to collaborate with younger generation performers like Chris Brown, Usher, Alicia Keys, even Rihanna and Kesha. It's gonna be a 360 degree turn but who knows, it might work and that way she can gain younger audience...let's be honest, we all grow up listening to her albums and as well we grew up with her...so i thinks it's time to work with a new team and just be thankful to Vito Luprano for all his contribution to Celine's success.

 

I have a very simple question. She has nothing to prove but yet they seem to be afraid of a change, and they don't change a bit their path. Why is that hard to make a change if they have nothing to prove? Shouldn't be the contrary, to try different things without being afraid of the result because she has nothing to prove anymore? It's all contradictory

[dmeredith]

I have a very simple question. She has nothing to prove but yet they seem to be afraid of a change, and they don't change a bit their path. Why is that hard to make a change if they have nothing to prove? Shouldn't be the contrary, to try different things without being afraid of the result because she has nothing to prove anymore? It's all contradictory

 

 

I understand your dilemma "Javito".

 

Celine doesn't have anything to prove. I don't think that she's afraid of change. Remember the song, "That's the woman in me" (I hope that's the title 'cause I sometimes forget the exact words sometimes) was a good song, but different from Celine's "norm". I like that song, 'cause it shows "the world" that she can do other things, and that she can do a great job singing other things 'cause she's such a talented performer. I'll be honest with you tho', that although I think that Celine did a great job singing it, it's not exactly what I want to hear from her. So, it's not my favorite song of hers, nor would it be the song that I would constantly listen to. Tho' I'm perfectly happy to have it on a CD.

 

You know, you can have a baker who makes great cakes and pies etc., but what attracts most people to his bakery are his cupcakes. People would say, "You are a great baker, but there's just something special about your cupcakes. I don't know what it is, but they are just a "cut above" what others bake". A dancer can dance all sorts of different dances, but a particular style of dance just captivates an audience.

 

So, even tho' Celine isn't afraid of change, she just knows what the general public tends to want from her. Of course, we could say, "Doesn't her team notice what her fans are saying on her forums?". Truly, if you write a company and tell them how you feel, they tend to view one person is equal to 40, 400 (or whatever amount they use as their equation). The problem is that the amount of comments on the forum (which should give her team a huge confirmation as to what we'd like as fans since we're the ones who spend the time on the forum and money on anything Celine "puts out") might not equal what "her team" considers to be what the "overall" public wants Celine to produce. Celine's team might feel that a lot of people wouldn't mind it if Celine sang a different style of song, but what really moves people to go out and buy her CD's (and go to her shows) are the ones who like how she's been singing for many years. Her team probably thinks, "If it isn't broke, why try and fix it?".

 

Maybe Celine's team feels that she fits into a certain theme or style of music, and they don't want to try and change things up, 'cause it could (in terms of the general public) backfire on them. The public is used to the Celine that we know, and they might not embrace a different "kind of Celine".

 

I don't really have all the answers, but maybe that sheds a different light on your dilemma. Maybe "they" feel like "they" should stick with "what works" than take chances on something that might not be embraced by the general public (as far as what concerns Celine). She has a "certain image", and maybe her team doesn't want her to stray from that.

 

Celine might have a differing opinion, but she has a lot of other things on her plate right now. So, she's fine with whatever her team decides since it's not her first priority anymore. That's not being critical of her, nor should anyone think less of her as a performer for that decision. As a mother and teacher, I might have spent hours trying to create many activities for my students, 'cause that was my main focus in life at that time, but things changed when I became a mother. Was I going to neglect my children just so my students could have "fun in the classroom"? No, I wasn't. First of all, what would it say about me as a teacher if I were not a good mother? That's not a good role model. Plus, the majority of the time my students learned what they needed without all the "extras". My time was better spent being the mother I needed to be so that my children could grow up to be the adults that they should be. There's a time and place for everything in life.

 

Celine still cares about performing and her fans, but how she goes about it are different now as opposed to how it was 10 or more years ago. I'm just grateful that she hasn't gone into retirement since she's had her children. I'm grateful that she still cares about being there for her fans. She just has more to do now before she can tackle what keeps her fans happy. Truly, Celine might be trying to push for "different things", but "her team" keeps knocking down her suggestions. We really don't know what goes on behind closed doors.

 

I don't know if this helps, or not, but it's just a comment to try and help you see things from a different perspective. What you said, or questioned, was in no way wrong. I truly understand where you're coming from. I appreciate all of your posts here on the forum!!! You truly help make this forum be what it is supposed to be! A family of Celine fans who enjoy discussing anything related to Celine, and you are one of the reasons why I enjoy being a member here on the forum!!

[Javito]

Dmeredith, thanks so much for your kind words!! I don't think I deserve them! I know I repeat myself to boredom, but I can't help it, I think that every fan here loves Céline to bits and no matter what we say, its because we want to get the best from her. I'm sometimes harsh with my words maybe, but that's only because I believe they can do much better than what they do. But of course, I'm happy and grateful to still have Céline in our lives and that she's an active singer.

 

The problem here is that Céline has set herself the bar too high for years, we've become so used to that and we've been so spoiled, that when the time in her life has come to slow things down a little, we got confused, and even disappointed. But all my comments lead to the same conclusion, and its that Céline is not to blame at all for whatever bad management she's had in these decade, but her record label and some people in her team. She didn't had to move a finguer to have a better promotion for each and every of her albums, to release more singles and to get new releases that Sony could have put out in these years of absence (unreleased songs, concerts etc). But for some reason, we're still in the dark about their own reasons for not doing THIS or THAT. And that's what I'd like to know... that's the information I would like to get in her interviews. That's what I would like to see René talk about. But yes, we cannot live asking why they didn't this or that forever, because it won't lead anywhere.

 

Today I was listening closely to the last songs of One Heart album, "Forget Me Not", "I Know What Love Is" and "Je t'aime encore", and I couldn't believe I thought this album was mediocre at the time it was released, because now I believe it includes songs that are pure bliss It was in this moment when I realized how much I miss her and how much I want a new album from her, and that we should be happy that she's recording TWO of them now!

 

We change our minds sometimes, nobody is 100% right or wrong and everybody is entitled in their own opinions... as long as is expressed with respect.

 

Thanks again for your sweet words! In the same way, its for replies like yours that I still love to be in this forum too

[dmeredith]

Dmeredith, thanks so much for your kind words!! I don't think I deserve them! I know I repeat myself to boredom, but I can't help it, I think that every fan here loves Céline to bits and no matter what we say, its because we want to get the best from her. I'm sometimes harsh with my words maybe, but that's only because I believe they can do much better than what they do. But of course, I'm happy and grateful to still have Céline in our lives and that she's an active singer.

 

The problem here is that Céline has set herself the bar too high for years, we've become so used to that and we've been so spoiled, that when the time in her life has come to slow things down a little, we got confused, and even disappointed. But all my comments lead to the same conclusion, and its that Céline is not to blame at all for whatever bad management she's had in these decade, but her record label and some people in her team. She didn't had to move a finguer to have a better promotion for each and every of her albums, to release more singles and to get new releases that Sony could have put out in these years of absence (unreleased songs, concerts etc). But for some reason, we're still in the dark about their own reasons for not doing THIS or THAT. And that's what I'd like to know... that's the information I would like to get in her interviews. That's what I would like to see René talk about. But yes, we cannot live asking why they didn't this or that forever, because it won't lead anywhere.

 

Today I was listening closely to the last songs of One Heart album, "Forget Me Not", "I Know What Love Is" and "Je t'aime encore", and I couldn't believe I thought this album was mediocre at the time it was released, because now I believe it includes songs that are pure bliss It was in this moment when I realized how much I miss her and how much I want a new album from her, and that we should be happy that she's recording TWO of them now!

 

We change our minds sometimes, nobody is 100% right or wrong and everybody is entitled in their own opinions... as long as is expressed with respect.

 

Thanks again for your sweet words! In the same way, its for replies like yours that I still love to be in this forum too

 

 

Javito, you are in no way boring!!! You "liven up" the forum!!! LOL I've never thought that you repeated yourself all the time either, but if you do well........I've never noticed it. We probably are all guilty of that to some degree, 'cause we're all saying that we love Celine to bits!! That's repetitive, but those are the comments we all hold dear to our heart!!! Your words are never harsh!! The purpose of a forum is to discuss and communicate, and that's what you do all the time!!! So keep up the good work!!!

 

You're right about saying that Celine set the bar high herself. So, yeah we are spoiled!!! It's like we were used to getting "5 presents" a year for so long, and now we're lucky if we get one each year!!!! We can't help it that we still want "5 gifts"!!! Especially, since they were such awesome "gifts", and when Celine "slowed down the gift giving" we were a bit confused and disappointed. We wanted (and still do) the giving to still continue. In our opinion, the curtain hasn't closed yet and we're still expecting the show to still be going on!!!

 

I too wish that we had all the answers to our questions about why they've done (or chosen) this or that. Wouldn't it be nice if we could have a "live chat" with René and Céline here on the forum at one point in time??? Maybe Céline needs to write another book, where she discusses and explains everything that has happened since the last one was published (My Story, My Dream). I believe that it would be a huge hit. I know that I'd buy it, as well as thousands of other fans.

 

I too find that some songs "speak more to me" at different times in my life. I'll go through phases where I'll listen to certain songs of Celine's for a good while, and then another group of songs will touch me in a different way and I'll spend weeks listening to them. I guess that's great, 'cause it shows how the longevity of the songs carry out their message. We go through different emotions and experiences throughout our lives. That's how we gain wisdom. So, therefore something that you heard at one point in your life might not make sense until you've lived and grown a little.

 

I too miss Celine, and I'm anxiously awaiting the release of her next albums, in English and French!!! I feel like all I do sometimes is wait, but I do know that waiting builds endurance and endurance builds character!!! I'm tired of waiting tho'!!!!! I do so hope that Celine sings at least one or two new songs (from the upcoming album) at her concerts this summer. I'll be at two shows in June, and I would LOVE to hear some of her new songs in person. Of course, who knows, the new album might have been released by then, or it might be close to being released, but the Celine store might be selling it before the general public gets it.

 

You're definitely right, we all have the right to our own opinion as long as we express it with respect. I too am guilty of changing my mind at times, but at least we're mature enough to realize it and say it. Where as some people are too proud to admit that they might have had the wrong idea or opinion. The main thing is to stay open to other suggesions and opinions, 'cause none of us know the right answers to everything 100% of the time. We are all human, therefore; we make mistakes. Myself included!!

 

By the way, you're welcome for the "kind words" and you do deserve them!!! Thanks for your kind words as well!!!

 

También, veo que vives en España ( o quizás eres de España pero vives en otro país ahora donde hablan inglés). Sabes el inglés bien. ¿Cuándo y cómo lo aprendiste?

 

( I see that you live in Spain (or maybe you're from Spain but you live in another country now where they speak English). You know English well. When and how did you learn it?)

[ferjaacu]

And that guys, are great posts !!! We all need to know those answers, and I guess we'll never know the truth behind those decisions

[Frenchie]

And that guys, are great posts !!! We all need to know those answers, and I guess we'll never know the truth behind those decisions

 

+1

 

Javito, I don't post often (one of those lurkers), but I also enjoy your posts. And you are not repeating yourself either.

[callingdion]

Four years ago, the one who recruited Celine Dion for CBS in 1986 was the victim of cuts in the music industry. "We removed all important positions in New York and Canada and I was earning a salary higher than that of the last four presidents of Sony Canada for which I worked," he says today. At the time this decision was displeased with Rene Angelil ,because Luprano Vito was the only contact at Sony / BMG in Canada, in addition to being the executive producer of all albums by Celine Dion, of Incognito Taking Chances .

hope celine's next release will be great!

[Javito]

También, veo que vives en España ( o quizás eres de España pero vives en otro país ahora donde hablan inglés). Sabes el inglés bien. ¿Cuándo y cómo lo aprendiste?

 

( I see that you live in Spain (or maybe you're from Spain but you live in another country now where they speak English). You know English well. When and how did you learn it?)

 

Thanks again for your words!! Yes I live in Spain, I've studied and learned english here! I've always enjoyed learning new languages since I was a kid, I find its entertaining and fun!. I also studied french. Like many of us here, Céline is to blame for that

[dmeredith]

Thanks again for your words!! Yes I live in Spain, I've studied and learned english here! I've always enjoyed learning new languages since I was a kid, I find its entertaining and fun!. I also studied french. Like many of us here, Céline is to blame for that

 

You're welcome! It's hard to learn another language. So, I have to say that I'm very impressed with how well you speak and write English. If I didn't know better, I'd say that you were an American living in Spain. LOL I teach French and Spanish to high school students, and the majority of them have difficulty learning another language. Of course, it does help if you start at a younger age. Entonces, buen hecho mi amigo! Well done my friend!

 

I've always loved learning languages also. Although, Celine isn't the reason why I learned French. I started learning French and Spanish when I was young and continued thru college. That was before Celine started her career in the 90's. I didn't even know she existed back in the days when I was studying those languages.

 

It might not be why I learned French, but knowing French definitely made me appreciate Celine more. I feel more of a connection to her because of it. Some people might like her songs, but they don't listen to her French ones. Of course, that doesn't apply to those of us here on the forum. The occasional listener probably doesn't appreciate Celine's French songs, which is a pity 'cause they are wonderful. Those that don't enjoy all songs of Celine's, whether they are in French or in English, are definitely depriving themselves of a lot of joy!!

[celinemaniacaik]

Does anyone have a picture of him? I wanna see what he looks like

[CelineDionFan710]

i didnt even know this happened thank you. maybe a change is good

[celinefanonline]

if u watch the making of TC album u should be able to see him in the video

 

and for me this doesn't mean bad news at all, also was thinking like since he's been fired / resigned from Sony how can he still be the executive producer as Celine is still Sony artist!

 

but i got another question, if u notice most of Celine's english album got another executive producer John Doelp just wondering will he still be the executive producer??? or??

but then of course Rene can be the executive producer instead of others

[sfbaysinger]

This is confusing. I have a few things to say.

1 Im with Katie, we need more joy/love. People on the outside can think whatever they want, but thats who/what she is, joy and love. Yes there is a dark side, Everyone has a dark side because we are all human.

2 Im scared of this. I hope that nothing bad/sad/negative/unpleasant went down that could come back to hurt/haunt her later. I love the style she has been in for a while, its her, it defined her. Would I be too upset if she changed? So long as she does Not become, (or sing with) Gaga or JB, I dont care. Do I think maybe it could be good for her, that it could be just what she needs, not what we need? Yes, I can admit that! As long as she does not go techno or country, or too hard rock, I dont care. I can only hope that this does absolutely only good for her career.

3 I do not think her careeer is stagnant, but it could use some revamping. I am sooooooooooo thankful that at least she is doing music. She soooooo does not have to. That being said, would I love her to have a resurgance in fame/notoriety/popularity? Hell yeah!!!!!!!!! Would I love to hear her talked about all over the place as the `big buzz`...wow, our Celine, the big buzz? Yes. She is to me already. Would I love her to be played `everywhere I go, all the places that Ive been` like she was before, for many people to know who she is? Heck yeah. Would I love for her to have a no. 1 single? Yes! But Im more concerned, not with how she makes music, or how it does cuz I know how it will do to/with me, but that she does it. And yes, I would sooooooooooo prefer it to be soon, like, now. But thats as far as my concern goes. I for one still trust her utterly/completely. Im behind her come what may! I am scared for this, I hope it is not going to push things back, but Im also curious/a bit excited to see what it could yield. All I know is, I will love her no matter what and thats all I really need. `so this is who I am, and this is all I know. And I must choose to live, for all that I can give`...

[TEREFUNKEN]

Finnally some "fresh air" around CELINE!

 

I hope now she will surround herself with people with modern ideas, I love her to write more songs type "Entre_deux_mondes"

[Zofia]

Great theory, this has crossed my mind as well. Trouble is, this might be a good 'strategy' if she dies today or in the next few years (god forbid - I really hope she's not at the point that she believes that). But if she lives to be in her eighties or even nineties like her mother? Unless you keep up steady interest in the decades in between (which TC is doing a terrible job at), who will still care about the archives? Her original fanbase will be too old (or too dead) to care. The generations after won't even know her because there's been nothing to generate interest in years.

 

Of course, I'm trying to imagine what her state of mind might be, rather than judge whether it's a successful strategy. In the end, she was never concerned with strategies for her career (the "I'm the boss" period was still focused on what she loves most: live performances). Of course, it's not a good time in her career, and there are several reasons why:

 

1. Céline's dependence on René. Like him or not, he didn't secure her professional future, he didn't encourage her to work with young people who could have taken over after his death - which was inevitable, given their age difference. Did he do it on purpose, as Vito Luprano suggests, to prove even from beyond the grave that he was irreplaceable? Perhaps it was simply his long illness that prevented him from taking care of his wife's professional future?

 

2. It seems that Céline, from her early childhood surrounded by people older than herself, has a natural inclination to trust them more (even if she reshuffles her musical team, it's not to make it younger, etc.). Given the big changes taking place in the music industry, this attitude is not conducive either.

 

3. Paradoxically, her humble, anti-narcissistic character, which earns her a lot of love from the public, doesn't help boost her career either (I recently re-watched the 2016 show "Accès illimité" and one moment illustrates what I'm talking about: it's where Céline strongly disputes being a star on the same level as Tina Turner

from min. 33.24).

 

4. And now this hellish disease considered incurable and all the terrible uncertainty it brings... She has the right to suspend all professional activity or involvement; her whole life has been turned upside down. This is the battle of her life.

 

That said, I'm more concerned with her fate as a human being than with her legacy. Because I have a lot of fears about her health, but at the same time I strongly believe that she will have her ultimate consecration as a legend and icon of popular culture that future generations will discover. Between "being in vogue" and "becoming a living icon forever" sometimes there's no continuity but a desert to cross. It's a belief, so it's hard to give proof, but I'm convinced she won't be forgotten. I only hope that she will let herself be surrounded by people who will breathe new life into her career and that she will be alive at the moment of her consecration. She so deserves it...

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

Of course, I'm trying to imagine what her state of mind might be, rather than judge whether it's a successful strategy. In the end, she was never concerned with strategies for her career (the "I'm the boss" period was still focused on what she loves most: live performances). Of course, it's not a good time in her career, and there are several reasons why:

 

1. Céline's dependence on René. Like him or not, he didn't secure her professional future, he didn't encourage her to work with young people who could have taken over after his death - which was inevitable, given their age difference. Did he do it on purpose, as Vito Luprano suggests, to prove even from beyond the grave that he was irreplaceable? Perhaps it was simply his long illness that prevented him from taking care of his wife's professional future?

 

2. It seems that Céline, from her early childhood surrounded by people older than herself, has a natural inclination to trust them more (even if she reshuffles her musical team, it's not to make it younger, etc.). Given the big changes taking place in the music industry, this attitude is not conducive either.

 

3. Paradoxically, her humble, anti-narcissistic character, which earns her a lot of love from the public, doesn't help boost her career either (I recently re-watched the 2016 show "Accès illimité" and one moment illustrates what I'm talking about: it's where Céline strongly disputes being a star on the same level as Tina Turner

from min. 33.24).

 

4. And now this hellish disease considered incurable and all the terrible uncertainty it brings... She has the right to suspend all professional activity or involvement; her whole life has been turned upside down. This is the battle of her life.

 

That said, I'm more concerned with her fate as a human being than with her legacy. Because I have a lot of fears about her health, but at the same time I strongly believe that she will have her ultimate consecration as a legend and icon of popular culture that future generations will discover. Between "being in vogue" and "becoming a living icon forever" sometimes there's no continuity but a desert to cross. It's a belief, so it's hard to give proof, but I'm convinced she won't be forgotten. I only hope that she will let herself be surrounded by people who will breathe new life into her career and that she will be alive at the moment of her consecration. She so deserves it...

 

When did Vito Luprano say that?

[comingback]

Aldo was a great manager, who boosted her career, but as we know she fired him. She didn't want the pressure and stress anymore...

 

[CelinesDIVO5]

Aldo was a great manager, who boosted her career, but as we know she fired him. She didn't want the pressure and stress anymore...

 

I have a feeling he was getting some sort of kickback from the ICM deal, and she found out about it. His direction was good, but something rubbed me the wrong way about Aldo.

[comingback]

 

 

I have a feeling he was getting some sort of kickback from the ICM deal, and she found out about it. His direction was good, but something rubbed me the wrong way about Aldo.

 

You mean the Prinz deal? When she found out that this guy was overpaid from Rene?

[Zofia]

When did Vito Luprano say that?

 

Vito Luprano spoke to Laurence Pieau and Hervé Tropéa, authors of the book « Céline Dion - La Vraie histoire. Les secrets d’une idole fragile ». It was obvious that he was motivated by deep resentment, but I was surprised by the violence and virulence of his attacks on René. That's why, in my opinion, he should be taken with a grain of salt (and I say this without ever being "team René").

 

Luprano recounts the beginning of their collaboration, the circumstances under which René fired him, the moment when he proposed the title and concept of "A new day", which René then presents as his own... To believe him, during the funeral ceremony in January 2016 ("the only way to get close to her") he begs Céline to reconnect with him :

 

"Call me, Celine," he almost implores, a second time. What he wants to tell her? That she's never been so badly looked after! That in the three years she's spent playing nurse, things have happened that she hasn't seen. After all... All the professionals know that those around her are nothing but second knives! Good showbiz technicians, yes, but not visionaries. Which Vito knows, because he recruited them! "Denis Savage, who is now his manager, was a sound engineer. I hired him, as did Dave Platel. In fact, René used to quarrel with me, blaming me for the recruitment. He complained because he thought he had... big eyes," he recalls, realizing the ridiculousness of the remark. I don't really have any contact with them anymore," he continues, "because for me, they're 'yes men'. They say yes to everything Céline demands and have no critical spirit." It makes you wonder, Vito wonders, if he hasn't purposely put people in place - managers - who are incapable of replacing him. "I don't understand why Céline can't see that she hasn't made any hits since she left me. It's been seven years since Vito was ousted... ousted by René.

 

"After Taking Chances, I never worked with Céline again. René did everything he could - in vain - to make Taking Chances not work. He didn't talk to me the same way, then he didn't talk to me at all... Look at the result: since I left, she's released two albums in French, two albums in English, but not a single hit!"

 

“I blame René, not Céline," he continues. I've come to think that René took advantage of me. In front of Céline, he used my artistic side to his advantage. Everything I'm telling you I've never said. For me, it's a story with a sad ending, and I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.”

 

“He always wanted Céline to believe that everything came from him," says the executive producer. For me, it was all the more of a problem because no one could talk to Céline without first talking to him! He'd been behaving that way with her since she was 14." Vito, who has already confided that he didn't think René had a musical ear, says he found himself "in some really tricky situations". Often," he explains, "René would want me to play music just for him and not for Céline. If he refused, I really had to find a way for Céline to hear it too. Most of the time, when I did, she loved it and wanted to sing the music!"

 

"You can't imagine how many times, as Céline Dion's executive producer, I had to make sure that certain choices didn't make her look cheesy. If René had done things his way, there are a lot of choices that would have been really bad for her.”

 

"In all honesty," he assures us, "all the decisions that were made about her hits and many decisions made in her career in general came from me, not René. I can tell you that he took credit for them, just as he took credit for many other things, when almost everything came from me!""

 

(automatic translation from the original French)

[ryba]

 

 

Great theory, this has crossed my mind as well. Trouble is, this might be a good 'strategy' if she dies today or in the next few years (god forbid - I really hope she's not at the point that she believes that). But if she lives to be in her eighties or even nineties like her mother? Unless you keep up steady interest in the decades in between (which TC is doing a terrible job at), who will still care about the archives? Her original fanbase will be too old (or too dead) to care. The generations after won't even know her because there's been nothing to generate interest in years.

that is exactly what I think as well. Nobody will even care. Now is the time to act Edited September 17, 2023 at 11:04 AM by ryba

[ryba]

 

 

Vito Luprano spoke to Laurence Pieau and Hervé Tropéa, authors of the book « Céline Dion - La Vraie histoire. Les secrets d’une idole fragile ». It was obvious that he was motivated by deep resentment, but I was surprised by the violence and virulence of his attacks on René. That's why, in my opinion, he should be taken with a grain of salt (and I say this without ever being "team René").

 

Luprano recounts the beginning of their collaboration, the circumstances under which René fired him, the moment when he proposed the title and concept of "A new day", which René then presents as his own... To believe him, during the funeral ceremony in January 2016 ("the only way to get close to her") he begs Céline to reconnect with him :

 

"Call me, Celine," he almost implores, a second time. What he wants to tell her? That she's never been so badly looked after! That in the three years she's spent playing nurse, things have happened that she hasn't seen. After all... All the professionals know that those around her are nothing but second knives! Good showbiz technicians, yes, but not visionaries. Which Vito knows, because he recruited them! "Denis Savage, who is now his manager, was a sound engineer. I hired him, as did Dave Platel. In fact, René used to quarrel with me, blaming me for the recruitment. He complained because he thought he had... big eyes," he recalls, realizing the ridiculousness of the remark. I don't really have any contact with them anymore," he continues, "because for me, they're 'yes men'. They say yes to everything Céline demands and have no critical spirit." It makes you wonder, Vito wonders, if he hasn't purposely put people in place - managers - who are incapable of replacing him. "I don't understand why Céline can't see that she hasn't made any hits since she left me. It's been seven years since Vito was ousted... ousted by René.

 

"After Taking Chances, I never worked with Céline again. René did everything he could - in vain - to make Taking Chances not work. He didn't talk to me the same way, then he didn't talk to me at all... Look at the result: since I left, she's released two albums in French, two albums in English, but not a single hit!"

 

“I blame René, not Céline," he continues. I've come to think that René took advantage of me. In front of Céline, he used my artistic side to his advantage. Everything I'm telling you I've never said. For me, it's a story with a sad ending, and I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.”

 

“He always wanted Céline to believe that everything came from him," says the executive producer. For me, it was all the more of a problem because no one could talk to Céline without first talking to him! He'd been behaving that way with her since she was 14." Vito, who has already confided that he didn't think René had a musical ear, says he found himself "in some really tricky situations". Often," he explains, "René would want me to play music just for him and not for Céline. If he refused, I really had to find a way for Céline to hear it too. Most of the time, when I did, she loved it and wanted to sing the music!"

 

"You can't imagine how many times, as Céline Dion's executive producer, I had to make sure that certain choices didn't make her look cheesy. If René had done things his way, there are a lot of choices that would have been really bad for her.”

 

"In all honesty," he assures us, "all the decisions that were made about her hits and many decisions made in her career in general came from me, not René. I can tell you that he took credit for them, just as he took credit for many other things, when almost everything came from me!""

 

(automatic translation from the original French)

oh wow, that’s really interesting!

[Chantemoi]

 

 

Vito Luprano spoke to Laurence Pieau and Hervé Tropéa, authors of the book « Céline Dion - La Vraie histoire. Les secrets d’une idole fragile ». It was obvious that he was motivated by deep resentment, but I was surprised by the violence and virulence of his attacks on René. That's why, in my opinion, he should be taken with a grain of salt (and I say this without ever being "team René").

 

Luprano recounts the beginning of their collaboration, the circumstances under which René fired him, the moment when he proposed the title and concept of "A new day", which René then presents as his own... To believe him, during the funeral ceremony in January 2016 ("the only way to get close to her") he begs Céline to reconnect with him :

 

"Call me, Celine," he almost implores, a second time. What he wants to tell her? That she's never been so badly looked after! That in the three years she's spent playing nurse, things have happened that she hasn't seen. After all... All the professionals know that those around her are nothing but second knives! Good showbiz technicians, yes, but not visionaries. Which Vito knows, because he recruited them! "Denis Savage, who is now his manager, was a sound engineer. I hired him, as did Dave Platel. In fact, René used to quarrel with me, blaming me for the recruitment. He complained because he thought he had... big eyes," he recalls, realizing the ridiculousness of the remark. I don't really have any contact with them anymore," he continues, "because for me, they're 'yes men'. They say yes to everything Céline demands and have no critical spirit." It makes you wonder, Vito wonders, if he hasn't purposely put people in place - managers - who are incapable of replacing him. "I don't understand why Céline can't see that she hasn't made any hits since she left me. It's been seven years since Vito was ousted... ousted by René.

 

"After Taking Chances, I never worked with Céline again. René did everything he could - in vain - to make Taking Chances not work. He didn't talk to me the same way, then he didn't talk to me at all... Look at the result: since I left, she's released two albums in French, two albums in English, but not a single hit!"

 

“I blame René, not Céline," he continues. I've come to think that René took advantage of me. In front of Céline, he used my artistic side to his advantage. Everything I'm telling you I've never said. For me, it's a story with a sad ending, and I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.”

 

“He always wanted Céline to believe that everything came from him," says the executive producer. For me, it was all the more of a problem because no one could talk to Céline without first talking to him! He'd been behaving that way with her since she was 14." Vito, who has already confided that he didn't think René had a musical ear, says he found himself "in some really tricky situations". Often," he explains, "René would want me to play music just for him and not for Céline. If he refused, I really had to find a way for Céline to hear it too. Most of the time, when I did, she loved it and wanted to sing the music!"

 

"You can't imagine how many times, as Céline Dion's executive producer, I had to make sure that certain choices didn't make her look cheesy. If René had done things his way, there are a lot of choices that would have been really bad for her.”

 

"In all honesty," he assures us, "all the decisions that were made about her hits and many decisions made in her career in general came from me, not René. I can tell you that he took credit for them, just as he took credit for many other things, when almost everything came from me!""

 

(automatic translation from the original French)

 

Wowwww… I never heard these remarks before. I’d love to hear more about Vito’s side - specifically about the rejected songs Céline never heard and the “cheesy” choices René made against Vito’s (allegedly) better judgment.

[comingback]

Parler A Mon Pere and Encore Un Soir were big hits in France and the latest French albums were successful. With the English albums Loved Me Back To Life (the first half is great, the Vegas songs/second half are meh) and Courage he was right.

And yes, the part with the his decisions for Celine (for not sounding cheesy) is interesting!

Edited September 17, 2023 at 12:03 PM by comingback

[Zofia]

Wowwww… I never heard these remarks before. I'd love to hear more about Vito's side - specifically about the rejected songs Céline never heard and the "cheesy" choices René made against Vito's (allegedly) better judgment.

 

A word of warning about the book itself: I confess I had mixed feelings after reading it. On the one hand, it's a book written with a claw, the opposite of the cloned, sugary, nauseating Céline "biographies", and the authors are quite effective as journalists (for example, it's is in front of them that Claudette - for the first time? - stops playing her sister's favorite confidante and confesses, around autumn 2022, that she's not in direct contact with her and doesn't know much about her condition). On the other hand, the aggressive, gossipy tone seriously prevented me from enjoying the book (for example, Scott Roeben's speculations on Céline's psychological health, despite their apparent benevolence, verge on the ignominious; I hope he regretted these confidences after December 8).

 

As for Luprano, in his comments there are more bitter judgments than details. If you're interested, I'll add an anecdote about "A new day":

 

“Céline had taken time off to get pregnant and look after her baby," he recalls. When the time came to make her comeback, I was preparing a new English album for her, called A New Day. I came up with the title because it meant that after becoming a mother, Céline was starting afresh. When I was working on this album - which became a big success - René came to see me in the recording studio with a rather disgruntled look on his face. I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that René and Céline very rarely appeared in the recording studio. I was the one who prepared everything beforehand and was present when the songs were mixed. Since they were never there, I had to be there to approve everything," Vito tackles. So, that day, René arrives at the studio, sulking. I ask him what's going on, and he suggests I go and have dinner with him at Dic Ann's Hamburgers. That's when he tells me he's not happy with the title A New Day... I explain to him that most celebrities who perform in Las Vegas do so because they're at the end of their careers, which is not at all the case with Céline! I tell him: "This title would show, on the contrary, that it's a new f****** start! - I'm not sure, man!" he replies, and then, suddenly, he has a smile on his face. I feel he's finally happy again, but he doesn't say anything to me and leaves! Later," he says, "we meet again to promote the album in Paris, where Céline is to do a show with Michel Drucker. He calls me in the morning to tell me that Céline has a sore throat and that before going on the show they're going to see a doctor. I said, "Okay, I'll meet you there. Then he calls me back and says, "Vito, I'm on the speakerphone and Céline is with me. I just had an idea. I think we're going to call our Las Vegas show A New Day!" - What did you answer him?" we ask Vito. - What do you want me to say? "Bravo René, that's a great idea, it's the same title as the album!" " Vito doesn't beat about the bush because he considers himself "well treated financially" but, he adds, "you can't imagine the number of times that, as Céline Dion's executive producer, I've had to make sure that certain choices didn't give her a cheesy image. If René had done things his way, there are a lot of choices that would have been really bad for her. Looking back, Vito, whose idea it was to have Céline sing a duet with Luciano Pavarotti, is proud of what he has achieved. But, like a number of forgotten legends, he would like to be back in the picture.”

 

(automatic translation from French)

[comingback]

A word of warning about the book itself: I confess I had mixed feelings after reading it. On the one hand, it's a book written with a claw, the opposite of the cloned, sugary, nauseating Céline "biographies", and the authors are quite effective as journalists (for example, it's is in front of them that Claudette - for the first time? - stops playing her sister's favorite confidante and confesses, around autumn 2022, that she's not in direct contact with her and doesn't know much about her condition). On the other hand, the aggressive, gossipy tone seriously prevented me from enjoying the book (for example, Scott Roeben's speculations on Céline's psychological health, despite their apparent benevolence, verge on the ignominious; I hope he regretted these confidences after December 8).

 

As for Luprano, in his comments there are more bitter judgments than details. If you're interested, I'll add an anecdote about "A new day":

 

“Céline had taken time off to get pregnant and look after her baby," he recalls. When the time came to make her comeback, I was preparing a new English album for her, called A New Day. I came up with the title because it meant that after becoming a mother, Céline was starting afresh. When I was working on this album - which became a big success - René came to see me in the recording studio with a rather disgruntled look on his face. I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that René and Céline very rarely appeared in the recording studio. I was the one who prepared everything beforehand and was present when the songs were mixed. Since they were never there, I had to be there to approve everything," Vito tackles. So, that day, René arrives at the studio, sulking. I ask him what's going on, and he suggests I go and have dinner with him at Dic Ann's Hamburgers. That's when he tells me he's not happy with the title A New Day... I explain to him that most celebrities who perform in Las Vegas do so because they're at the end of their careers, which is not at all the case with Céline! I tell him: "This title would show, on the contrary, that it's a new f****** start! - I'm not sure, man!" he replies, and then, suddenly, he has a smile on his face. I feel he's finally happy again, but he doesn't say anything to me and leaves! Later," he says, "we meet again to promote the album in Paris, where Céline is to do a show with Michel Drucker. He calls me in the morning to tell me that Céline has a sore throat and that before going on the show they're going to see a doctor. I said, "Okay, I'll meet you there. Then he calls me back and says, "Vito, I'm on the speakerphone and Céline is with me. I just had an idea. I think we're going to call our Las Vegas show A New Day!" - What did you answer him?" we ask Vito. - What do you want me to say? "Bravo René, that's a great idea, it's the same title as the album!" " Vito doesn't beat about the bush because he considers himself "well treated financially" but, he adds, "you can't imagine the number of

times that, as Céline Dion's executive producer, I've had to make sure that certain choices didn't give her a cheesy image. If René had done things his way, there are a lot of choices that would have been really bad for her. Looking back, Vito, whose idea it was to have Céline sing a duet with Luciano Pavarotti, is proud of what he has achieved. But, like a number of forgotten legends, he would like to be back in the picture.”

 

(automatic translation from French)

 

They released the album ANDHC in March 2002 and the Drucker show in Paris was in April 2002. The Vegas Show A New Day was promoted in October 2002.

The first name of the show was Muse. The band Muse sued Celine, because of the same name. So sth. is not right here.

 

https://www.nme.com/...use-467-1374007

DION LOSES HER MUSE

 

 

Celine Dion

has backed down in her row with MUSE over the rights to use their name in her LAS VEGAS shows.

The Canadian songbird had offered the band £32,000 for the right to attach the word ‘Muse’ to her forthcoming residency in the gambling mecca. When the Devon band declined, Celine Dion‘s management company informed them that they would use the name regardless.

Now, Francine Chaloult, Celine Dion‘s publicist, says that the word ‘Muse’ won’t be employed for the upcoming spectaculars after all.

Edited September 17, 2023 at 01:51 PM by comingback

[ryba]

They released the album ANDHC in March 2002 and the Drucker show in Paris was in April 2002. The Vegas Show A New Day was promoted in October 2002.

The first name of the show was Muse. The band Muse sued Celine, because of the same name. So sth. is not right here.

 

https://www.nme.com/...use-467-1374007

DION LOSES HER MUSE

 

 

Celine Dion

has backed down in her row with MUSE over the rights to use their name in her LAS VEGAS shows.

 

The Canadian songbird had offered the band £32,000 for the right to attach the word ‘Muse’ to her forthcoming residency in the gambling mecca. When the Devon band declined, Celine Dion‘s publicist, says that the word ‘Muse’ won’t be employed for the upcoming spectaculars after all.

maybe Vito suggested the new title AND after they lost Muse. I don't think Vito is lying. It seems to me like Vito sincerely holds a grudge against Rene, because Rene took his ideas and made it look like he was the head behind everything. No wonder Vito is now taking the opportunity to talk about it, he wants people to know. I don't believe that he is making this up just to profile himself. Also, I had no idea that they fired him after the album TC. No wonder the concept for WAAF which later became LMBTL was so terrible, it was probably Renes idea. And this is also when we all started complaining about the direction that Celines career is taking, the initial WAAF concept, the boring 2011 Vegas show etc. Let's not forget, Rene was a senior gentlemen and it's no wonder that his ideas were not doing Celines career any good. And he apparently fired people whom he felt threatened by. He wanted to be in charge.

Edited September 17, 2023 at 03:13 PM by ryba