Tensions between Vito Luprano and Celine/René

[jmiracle]

 

 

I think it was really the 2 year break that hurt her music charting. Yes, she came back with epic record sales with ANDHC but no Hot 100 hits. They should have capitalized on the success of MHWGO and kept releasing song after song simultaneously but we only got a Christmas album and a greatest hits album. Celine’s longevity is now in her touring like so many of these rockstars we don’t hear on the radio anymore. When I look at Mariah’s longevity, however, it’s rooted in her fandom and ability to use social media to connect with her — she’s also dominating Christmas like Celine dominated Vegas. It would have been nice if Celine’s team would have been sensitive to both (touring and fandom, which would have strengthened her music on the charts). But something happened with the music. The whole “edgy” thing took over and I think she lost herself by trying to sound less polished in an attempt to appeal to whom exactly? The teenage girl Swifties who saw themselves in every lyric written by her? In essence, the same thing critics were mocking Celine for (the dramatic over the top ballads) is what people loved the most about her music…and it just sort of disappeared. I think Courage was an attempt to resurrect that sound again.

 

They could have done it by releasing the right singles at the right time.

ANDHC was a perfect come back single I think. The radio remix is for me one of her best soft pop songs, so well produced.

René (and the team) was then convinced that I’m Alive would be a worldwide hit mainly because he was stuck in 99 and the success of That’s the way it is. It turned out to be a small hit in Europe only. And then everything got messy. Right in front of you and I surrender should have been singles. They should have put real unreleased songs on OH and not recycle HYEBIL (that became a single !!!), Sorry for Love, Coulda Woulda Shoulda…

They launched a French album, a perfume line, then Miracle… it was clearly a mess, like nothing was really cohesive. It hurt her image, especially among her francophone audience who though she was selling her soul to marketing. TC was clearly her rebirth with something more timeless and cohesive. They then started to think again about they were doing and taking their time. But the rushed return to Vegas in 2011 with no album made it messy again. She was again the singer that could only exist with her shows and her 90s hit (the set list clearly said that). LMBTL came too late, just like in 2018 when Ashes started to go viral and they just did…nothing. They then announced a world tour, teasing new songs but didnt release them (FOMO, LD) at the right time.

Edited September 20, 2023 at 06:03 AM by jmiracle

[ryba]

No new English music? Clearly you forgot Recovering. A heartfelt song about mourning and life written by Pink!! Unfortunatelythe song didn'thave a big impact. The wiki write up makes you do wonder why it went nowhere. Even though Celine sang it a few times on tv. But when you don't have support of the radio, or Spotify playlists, the big audience won't catch on.

 

"Recovering" is a song recorded by Canadian singer Celine Dion and released as a single on 9 September 2016. It was written by Pink after Dion's husband, René Angélil, died in January 2016. Entertainment Tonight Canada chose it as one of the best songs of 2016.

 

On 6 July 2016, Dion revealed that Pink wrote a song for her, in honor of her husband René Angélil, who died of cancer in January 2016.[2][3][4][5][6][7] She also revealed the title of the song, "Recovering".[2][3][4][5][6][7] Dion added that she's already starting to work on an English album.[2][3][4][5][6][7] The song was released as a single on 9 September 2016.[8][9]

 

Dion performed "Recovering" during the Stand Up to Cancer Live Event on 9 September 2016.[8][10] The telecast aired on more than forty television networks and selected online outlets.[10] It was broadcast live from the Music Center's Walt Disney Concert Hall in Los Angeles.[10] She also performed it on The Ellen DeGeneres Show on 8 September 2016. The episode aired on 12 September 2016.[8][11] In September 2016, Dion added "Recovering" to the set list of her Las Vegas residency show, Celine. The song was also performed during Dion's 2017 and 2018 tours.

 

 

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she needed a full album with a diversity in songs, not just one song that was a very emotional slow ballad. She was literally everywhere and people paid close attention to her again and had sympathy for her. A full album was definitely due that year. And during all her appearances she could have performed some new songs

[idroveallnight]

They could have done it by releasing the right singles at the right time.

ANDHC was a perfect come back single I think. The radio remix is for me one of her best soft pop songs, so well produced.

René (and the team) was then convinced that I'm Alive would be a worldwide hit mainly because he was stuck in 99 and the success of That's the way it is. It turned out to be a small hit in Europe only. And then everything got messy. Right in front of you and I surrender should have been singles. They should have put real unreleased songs on OH and not recycle HYEBIL (that became a single !!!), Sorry for Love, Coulda Woulda Shoulda…

They launched a French album, a perfume line, then Miracle… it was clearly a mess, like nothing was really cohesive. It hurt her image, especially among her francophone audience who though she was selling her soul to marketing. TC was clearly her rebirth with something more timeless and cohesive. They then started to think again about they were doing and taking their time. But the rushed return to Vegas in 2011 with no album made it messy again. She was again the singer that could only exist with her shows and her 90s hit (the set list clearly said that). LMBTL came too late, just like in 2018 when Ashes started to go viral and they just did…nothing. They then announced a world tour, teasing new songs but didnt release them (FOMO, LD) at the right time.

 

I think the strategy became “let’s keep them waiting for new music… this is Celine’s first English album in 6 years, etc.” But all that did was make her less relevant.

[KyleVan41]

Rene was right about I’m alive it was a big hit in Europe . Top 5 in France and Germany , and top 20 in Uk it propelled the album to 3 million sales in Europe. What they should have done was release I surrender as single 3. I even remember watching American idol in 2002 and all the contestants including Kelly were using the song - and it wasn’t even a single ! And American idol was huge ! Sony were complete morons not releasing it

[Davey84]

Rene was right about I'm alive it was a big hit in Europe . Top 5 in France and Germany , and top 20 in Uk it propelled the album to 3 million sales in Europe. What they should have done was release I surrender as single 3. I even remember watching American idol in 2002 and all the contestants including Kelly were using the song - and it wasn't even a single ! And American idol was huge ! Sony were complete morons not releasing it

 

Plus when you look at the numbers on Spotify:

 

IA 147.212.334

RIFOY 4.905.387

HYEBIL 13.184.072

ANDHC radio mix 52.191.401

GTSW 7.663.981

IS 30.844.00

ANDHC album version 28.750.040

 

releasing AI was deffo a good choice. It stood the test of time, and became a Céline classic. It has more streams than both versions of ANDHC combined. However, looking at the other songs, IS should have been the third single.

 

You know I would not have been mad if they had added IS to One Heart's tracklist (maybe even as a mix?) and released is as a single then. Although that would have been after it's popularity in 2002... But the song was featured in AND... so it would have made sense! I guess it wouldn't have sold cars tho, and of course HYEBIL did. *cough cough*

[comingback]

First of all, we know that the music scene changed a lot when Celine came back in 2002 (the rise of the internet and the digital music world (napster, spotify etc.). I like the ANDHC and IA singles, but for me the whole album was a little bit outdated in 2002. I have always preferred OH over ANDHC, because it was more modern. But as always they released the wrong singles (Reveal and Faith should have been singles!). After 5 years in Vegas, they released TC. For me and the general public it was too edgy. They wanted their Pop/Ballad Celine. And with LMBTL they went in the right direction (LMBTL and the first (modern songs) half were great, but I never understood the second (boring Vegas songs) half). Rene died in 2016 and her new English album was released in 2019. It was released too late, the production and pronounciation were bad and why weren't Recovering and Ashes on the album? Edited September 20, 2023 at 02:37 PM by comingback

[incognito]

First of all, we know that the music scene changed a lot when Celine came back in 2002 (the rise of the internet and the digital music world (napster, spotify etc.). I like the ANDHC and IA singles, but for me the whole album was a little bit outdated in 2002. I have always preferred OH over ANDHC, because it was more modern. But as always they released the wrong singles (Reveal and Faith should have been singles!). After 5 years in Vegas, they released TC. For me and the general public it was too edgy. They wanted their Pop/Ballad Celine. And with LMBTL they went in the right direction (LMBTL and the first (modern songs) half were great, but I never understood the second (boring Vegas songs) half). Rene died in 2016 and her new English album was released in 2019. It was released too late, the production and pronounciation were bad and why weren't Recovering and Ashes on the album?

 

I like the songs on Courage but her lazy pronunciation make them unlistenable to my ears.

[pat200]

A lot of things changed when Celine came back in 2002.

 

- ANDHC was her last well produced album, where her enunciation was still pretty good and her voice was impeccable without too much autotune and studio wizardry added to it.

- One heart was a quick project of ANDHC reject songs which completely ended her commercial charting career in the English world.

- Taking Chances was a very fun project but it was trying a bit too much to show hey I am edgy and can sing everything, but still kind of worked. Many of the edgy songs like Taking Chances did not translate well live and her few performances of that song and Alone were really nasty on the ear.

- After that, she should have gone back to her roots, but instead came up with LMBTL which was an autotune fest, and by that time her voice was too tired to replicate the songs live. She had a lot of trouble singing the title track live in quite a few occasions, Somebody loves somebody was extremely pitchy in the 2 times she performed it. Surprisingly NOT, the best live renditions were of songs that are in her alley: Overjoyed, Didn't know love, At 17.

- Courage was a fun album, but at that stage no one was really paying attention anymore, 6 years between albums, enunciation shot to heck, weak lead singles, weak live performances of these singles except for Courage.

 

One issue was consistent in all these albums since Taking Chances: they were trying to ride the wagon of whatever style/sound was popular at that time, but because it took them such a long time to finish the albums, they always ended up sounding outdated. Also the lack of any standout track like from the 90s or even ANDHC didn't help them.

[smw]

There were some gems on all of her albums since 2002. But overall her English albums have just been a bit wonky and unfocused since then.

 

Still, Celine's managed to have some successes since that time. I Drove All Night has become a favorite among many Celine fans and a lot of people know it. Taking Chances became somewhat well-known among casual fans. How Does A Moment Last Forever was well received. Wasn't the Loved Me Back To Life album a pretty big success in the UK? Ashes got tons of streams on YouTube.

 

I wish Ashes had been included on Courage because then we would've had at least one big song on the album.

Edited September 20, 2023 at 05:44 PM by smw

[Ukrfan]

I think Taking Chances was well produced. And TC was her last Billboard Top 100 song, I believe?

[Shaun]

 

 

I like the songs on Courage but her lazy pronunciation make them unlistenable to my ears.

 

There are some words / phrases on various songs on the Courage album where I literally have no idea what she’s saying.

[idroveallnight]

There are some words / phrases on various songs on the Courage album where I literally have no idea what she's saying.

 

I think this has been consistent across Celine’s career. I still have to go back and read the lyrics for TPOL

[idroveallnight]

They could have done it by releasing the right singles at the right time.

ANDHC was a perfect come back single I think. The radio remix is for me one of her best soft pop songs, so well produced.

René (and the team) was then convinced that I'm Alive would be a worldwide hit mainly because he was stuck in 99 and the success of That's the way it is. It turned out to be a small hit in Europe only. And then everything got messy. Right in front of you and I surrender should have been singles. They should have put real unreleased songs on OH and not recycle HYEBIL (that became a single !!!), Sorry for Love, Coulda Woulda Shoulda…

They launched a French album, a perfume line, then Miracle… it was clearly a mess, like nothing was really cohesive. It hurt her image, especially among her francophone audience who though she was selling her soul to marketing. TC was clearly her rebirth with something more timeless and cohesive. They then started to think again about they were doing and taking their time. But the rushed return to Vegas in 2011 with no album made it messy again. She was again the singer that could only exist with her shows and her 90s hit (the set list clearly said that). LMBTL came too late, just like in 2018 when Ashes started to go viral and they just did…nothing. They then announced a world tour, teasing new songs but didnt release them (FOMO, LD) at the right time.

 

Not to mention after Celine’s comeback literally everything she sang and said in an interview focused on motherhood. I could not relate at all as a young male. Not a bad thing, but from a marketing stance, she was still focusing on that Oprah audience. What happened after Oprah’s show ended? Not only did Celine lose her key demographic but those same loyal Oprah watchers abandoned Oprah too. Lots of them were absorbed by Ellen, who we knew was not a fan of Celine. That era is gone.

[LukeD]

Vito comes off as quite narcissistic using strong language to negatively describe everything in Celine's career before and after him.

 

I also think Rene had certain narcissistic qualities which would explain the clash between the two.

 

I agree with all points regarding her career:

 

- ANDHC was an excellent comeback album that needed better support especially in terms of its singles. This would have ensured longevity.

- OH was a rushed project of ANDHC rejects. Also her last album to feature excellent vocals.

- Miracle was rushed as well, not only it included recycled songs, but it was also the first Celine studio album to feature average vocals.

- A New Day...Live in Las Vegas (album) should have never been released. She was in such poor vocal condition.

- Taking Chances was a mixed bag including somewhat edgy songs and very conventional ones, perfectly reflecting her 00s identity crisis.

- This crisis was also evidenced in LMBTL, another mixed bag flirting with the modern and the old-fashioned. The vocals were subpar for the first time.

- Courage was a clear step forward in terms of the material BUT the vocals/enunciation/phrasing/production were subpar as well which killed the album.

 

So after ANDHC all recordings took away qualities that had made Celine an international superstar in the 90s. These were:

 

1) Clear Album Direction

2) Consistent Marketing & Promotion

3) Careful Production

4) Crystal Clear Vocals!

 

Add piracy and agism to the list and this is how you go from selling 32.000.000 copies to selling 700.000.

Edited September 21, 2023 at 01:02 PM by LukeD

[GoldenLeaf]

Have you guys hear Kylie Minogue's new album "Tension" ? It's the perfect definition of a comeback album. Kylie's not settling into old age and the songs on her album are cohesives, currents and fresh without being immatures and ridiculous. Celine should take notes. Edited September 21, 2023 at 06:37 PM by GoldenLeaf

[celinesounds]

I may understand Vito

 

To me OH was a decent album, is still a good one even with rejection songs.

 

The problem was not releasing more singles the same with ANDHC

 

OH has an amazing album cover, they missed an opportunity do Not touring with the album, ok she was in vegas.

 

TC I love it, maybe some songs sounded dated, but MY LOVE is still amazing, Linda did a pretty nice job, she is a real songwriter, she writes a song between lives.

 

Kara songs were good, but not written especially for Celine as I Know

 

Including Ne-YO was a great ideia, the duet came too late

 

LMBTL I like both sides of modern and classy but not as a single disc, it should have been in a double CD, like Beyonce did, to create a better concept

 

Courage, to me is a mess, I like it, but the order …. And is a long album, not including Recovering was a mistake

 

Miracle, is an interesting project, it was done in a week,

Edited September 21, 2023 at 06:43 PM by celinesounds

[GoldenLeaf]

Vito comes off as quite narcissistic using strong language to negatively describe everything in Celine's career before and after him.

 

I also think Rene had certain narcissistic qualities which would explain the clash between the two.

 

I agree with all points regarding her career:

 

- ANDHC was an excellent comeback album that needed better support especially in terms of its singles. This would have ensured longevity.

- OH was a rushed project of ANDHC rejects. Also her last album to feature excellent vocals.

- Miracle was rushed as well, not only it included recycled songs, but it was also the first Celine studio album to feature average vocals.

- A New Day...Live in Las Vegas (album) should have never been released. She was in such poor vocal condition.

- Taking Chances was a mixed bag including somewhat edgy songs and very conventional ones, perfectly reflecting her 00s identity crisis.

- This crisis was also evidenced in LMBTL, another mixed bag flirting with the modern and the old-fashioned. The vocals were subpar for the first time.

- Courage was a clear step forward in terms of the material BUT the vocals/enunciation/phrasing/production were subpar as well which killed the album.

 

So after ANDHC all recordings took away qualities that had made Celine an international superstar in the 90s. These were:

 

1) Clear Album Direction

2) Consistent Marketing & Promotion

3) Careful Production

4) Crystal Clear Vocals!

 

Add piracy and agism to the list and this is how you go from selling 32.000.000 copies to selling 700.000.

Using AI, we could create "prime vocals" versions of Taking Chances, Loved Me Back To Life and Courage albums so we could hear how these albums would have sounded with crystal clear vocals.

Edited September 21, 2023 at 06:42 PM by GoldenLeaf

[Abodi2002]

 

Using AI, we could create "prime vocals" versions of Taking Chances, Loved Me Back To Life and Courage albums so we could hear how these albums would have sounded with crystal clear vocals.

someone should try that lol.

[Nmj]

I may understand Vito

 

To me OH was a decent album, is still a good one even with rejection songs.

 

The problem was not releasing more singles the same with ANDHC

 

OH has an amazing album cover, they missed an opportunity do Not touring with the album, ok she was in vegas.

 

TC I love it, maybe some songs sounded dated, but MY LOVE is still amazing, Linda did a pretty nice job, she is a real songwriter, she writes a song between lives.

 

Kara songs were good, but not written especially for Celine as I Know

 

Including Ne-YO was a great ideia, the duet came too late

 

LMBTL I like both sides of modern and classy but not as a single disc, it should have been in a double CD, like Beyonce did, to create a better concept

 

Courage, to me is a mess, I like it, but the order …. And is a long album, not including Recovering was a mistake

 

Miracle, is an interesting project, it was done in a week,

 

Reject album or not, OH is one of her best albums….

 

Yes the cover for one heart was one of her best… I’m remember them promoting it one Oprah, where they showed the beautiful cover with Celine looking great, and it was promoted with old lady Celine and that short hair fiasco!

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

Reject album or not, OH is one of her best albums….

 

Yes the cover for one heart was one of her best… I’m remember them promoting it one Oprah, where they showed the beautiful cover with Celine looking great, and it was promoted with old lady Celine and that short hair fiasco!

 

I actually prefer OH over ANDHC as a whole.

[CelinesDIVO5]

Vito comes off as quite narcissistic using strong language to negatively describe everything in Celine's career before and after him.

 

I also think Rene had certain narcissistic qualities which would explain the clash between the two.

 

I agree with all points regarding her career:

 

- ANDHC was an excellent comeback album that needed better support especially in terms of its singles. This would have ensured longevity.

- OH was a rushed project of ANDHC rejects. Also her last album to feature excellent vocals.

- Miracle was rushed as well, not only it included recycled songs, but it was also the first Celine studio album to feature average vocals.

- A New Day...Live in Las Vegas (album) should have never been released. She was in such poor vocal condition.

- Taking Chances was a mixed bag including somewhat edgy songs and very conventional ones, perfectly reflecting her 00s identity crisis.

- This crisis was also evidenced in LMBTL, another mixed bag flirting with the modern and the old-fashioned. The vocals were subpar for the first time.

- Courage was a clear step forward in terms of the material BUT the vocals/enunciation/phrasing/production were subpar as well which killed the album.

 

So after ANDHC all recordings took away qualities that had made Celine an international superstar in the 90s. These were:

 

1) Clear Album Direction

2) Consistent Marketing & Promotion

3) Careful Production

4) Crystal Clear Vocals!

 

Add piracy and agism to the list and this is how you go from selling 32.000.000 copies to selling 700.000.

 

I wonder if the pronunciation on “Courage” (most of which I actually don’t mind) was partially due to early signs of her illness?

 

OH I prefer very much over ANDHC as a whole. I only listen to select tracks from the latter. OH, I still never skip any of the songs on it. To me, it’s fabulous from start to finish. I love that you and I got to see her sing LIAWN live together!

 

TC is a rather solid album. I do like all of the songs on the album, though I don’t often listen to it from start to finish. But I do often revisit it and listen to whatever tracks are striking my mood at the time. SHADOW OF LOVE is in a constant rotation in my ears.

 

I don’t feel MIRACLE was rushed…I just don’t think the songs recorded specifically for the album were done when her voice was in its best shape, with the exceptions of MY PRECIOUS ONE and IN SOME SMALL WAY…which I think are both among some of her best work. COME TO ME is not so bad either.

 

LMBTL…they should have just scrapped the entire Vegas half of the concept. Although, I do like the studio version of OPEN ARMS, and would have welcomed that on the track list. And then maybe 3 or 4 more originals to add. I love all of the new tracks. ALWAYS BE YOUR GIRL, isn’t something that I can personally relate to, but I do think her vocals on the song are lovely to listen to. And I much prefer the remixed version of UNFINISHED SONGS over the version used for the movie credits. I think it was a terrible shame of Sony to intentionally not promote LMBTL as an official single. It was a modern, mid tempo ballad, and her vocals sounded stellar. Shoutouts for LMBTL, SLS, TY, DKL and SYS. My top 5 from the album in no particular order. The Vegas songs would have been fine as a separate EP to be released as she concluded her run in 2019. Whatever she originally recorded could have been compiled into a 5-7 track collection.

Edited September 21, 2023 at 10:10 PM by CelinesDIVO5

[Davey84]

Totally agree on My precious one and In Some Small Way.... both are epic songs and would have been great tracks on a "regular" album too. ISSW doesn't even have a million streams on Spotify... people are really missing out.

 

I don't like the studio version of Open Arms that much tho... I don't understand why they speeded up the tempo so much. I prefer the live version. How do you keep the music playing is also an amazing song, which could have been more epic if they stayed more true to the live "duet" she did in Vegas.

 

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[CelinesDIVO5]

Totally agree on My precious one and In Some Small Way.... both are epic songs and would have been great tracks on a "regular" album too. ISSW doesn't even have a million streams on Spotify... people are really missing out.

 

I don't like the studio version of Open Arms that much tho... I don't understand why they speeded up the tempo so much. I prefer the live version. How do you keep the music playing is also an amazing song, which could have been more epic if they stayed more true to the live "duet" she did in Vegas.

 

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I like the modern feel of the studio version of OPEN ARMS. It’s fresh. Had she recorded it with the original arrangement, she would have been compared too closely to Mariah’s version, which in itself is epic. I think the use of the cellos was a beautiful touch, and I like her voice on it. Would have been a nice addition to the standard track list of the album. HDYKTMP is gorgeous. But like I said, should have been reserved for a Vegas EP. They could have put OVERJOYED, HDYKTMP, MR. PAGANINI, GOODNIGHT MY ANGEL, and even BOND MEDLEY would have been fun in studio version.

[idroveallnight]

I love how we are not bashing each other for having a conversation about “missed opportunities.” I’m really appreciating the openness and honesty. There were clearly missteps in the last 2 decades that could have been rectified by using this forum as a focus group. At the end of the day when René saw their bank accounts continue to grow, it probably didn’t make a difference to him whether she had a hit or not. Like Vito allegedly said, René was a businessman. I am, however, interested in knowing more about this period of depression they went through and if it was somehow connected to Celine’s disappearance from the charts. I do remember years ago, a group of fans hanging outside the Colosseum and René running into them and asking them if they wanted to meet Celine bc she was feeling depressed and needed some cheering up.

[Nmj]

I love how we are not bashing each other for having a conversation about “missed opportunities.” I’m really appreciating the openness and honesty. There were clearly missteps in the last 2 decades that could have been rectified by using this forum as a focus group. At the end of the day when René saw their bank accounts continue to grow, it probably didn’t make a difference to him whether she had a hit or not. Like Vito allegedly said, René was a businessman. I am, however, interested in knowing more about this period of depression they went through and if it was somehow connected to Celine’s disappearance from the charts. I do remember years ago, a group of fans hanging outside the Colosseum and René running into them and asking them if they wanted to meet Celine bc she was feeling depressed and needed some cheering up.

 

Rene begging fans to meet Celine? Sounds strange?!

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

Rene begging fans to meet Celine? Sounds strange?!

 

Yeah…that sounds not right lol

[LukeD]

This is all nice but individual good songs do not change what I said. I love 'In Some Small Way' and 'My Precious One'. Also 'Come To Me' is a gem. Every Celine album has songs I absolutely love. However, my point still stands that Miracle was rushed in the sense that it included leftovers and recycled songs, instead of being fully developed as an album of new recordings. This was also the second year in a row she would do that. Furthermore, her voice does not sound great in 'In Some Small Way'. It is somewhat dry and tired. Nothing like her 1998/1999 recordings that were featured in the album, 'Brahms' Lullaby' and 'The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face'.

 

I also like several tracks on Taking Chances, but the album is objectively a mixed bag of modern/edgy pop/rock songs and conventional ballads that killed the album purpose. You either take chances or you play it safe. For me the songs that do not fit Taking Chances were New Dawn, A Song For You, A World To Believe In, Right Next To The Right One, and maybe Skies of L.A. as well. Imagine a track-list without them, and add the bonus songs which IMO were better suited for the album. This is what you get:

 

01.Taking Chances

02.Alone

03.Eyes On Me

04.My Love

05.Shadow Of Love

06.Surprise Surprise

07.This Time

08.There Comes A Time

09.Can't Fight The Feeling

10.I Got Nothing Left

11.Fade Away

12.That's Just The Woman In Me

13.Map To My Heart

14.The Reason I Go On

 

To me this track-list is far more cohesive and consistent, clearly aligning with the album purpose.

Edited September 22, 2023 at 03:31 AM by LukeD

[nomys]

I Can t imagine TC without a song for you and a World do believe in... the transition between them is fantastic. It really touches me , i don t know why.

[jmiracle]

This is all nice but individual good songs do not change what I said. I love 'In Some Small Way' and 'My Precious One'. Also 'Come To Me' is a gem. Every Celine album has songs I absolutely love. However, my point still stands that Miracle was rushed in the sense that it included leftovers and recycled songs, instead of being fully developed as an album of new recordings. This was also the second year in a row she would do that. Furthermore, her voice does not sound great in 'In Some Small Way'. It is somewhat dry and tired. Nothing like her 1998/1999 recordings that were featured in the album, 'Brahms' Lullaby' and 'The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face'.

 

I also like several tracks on Taking Chances, but the album is objectively a mixed bag of modern/edgy pop/rock songs and conventional ballads that killed the album purpose. You either take chances or you play it safe. For me the songs that do not fit Taking Chances were New Dawn, A Song For You, A World To Believe In, Right Next To The Right One, and maybe Skies of L.A. as well. Imagine a track-list without them, and add the bonus songs which IMO were better suited for the album. This is what you get:

 

01.Taking Chances

02.Alone

03.Eyes On Me

04.My Love

05.Shadow Of Love

06.Surprise Surprise

07.This Time

08.There Comes A Time

09.Can't Fight The Feeling

10.I Got Nothing Left

11.Fade Away

12.That's Just The Woman In Me

13.Map To My Heart

14.The Reason I Go On

 

To me this track-list is far more cohesive and consistent, clearly aligning with the album purpose.

 

I would replace I got nothing left by A world to believe in, and add Ain’t Gonna Look The Way (coz I would have never released such a bad live album like A New Day Live in Vegas 2004)

 

 

Same with Courage, I would have released it without FOMO and left it as a stand alone single. Without Lying Down, Baby, Perfect Goodbye, Heart of Glass and you get a much more consistent album

Edited September 22, 2023 at 05:39 AM by jmiracle

[CelinesDIVO5]

This is all nice but individual good songs do not change what I said. I love 'In Some Small Way' and 'My Precious One'. Also 'Come To Me' is a gem. Every Celine album has songs I absolutely love. However, my point still stands that Miracle was rushed in the sense that it included leftovers and recycled songs, instead of being fully developed as an album of new recordings. This was also the second year in a row she would do that. Furthermore, her voice does not sound great in 'In Some Small Way'. It is somewhat dry and tired. Nothing like her 1998/1999 recordings that were featured in the album, 'Brahms' Lullaby' and 'The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face'.

 

I also like several tracks on Taking Chances, but the album is objectively a mixed bag of modern/edgy pop/rock songs and conventional ballads that killed the album purpose. You either take chances or you play it safe. For me the songs that do not fit Taking Chances were New Dawn, A Song For You, A World To Believe In, Right Next To The Right One, and maybe Skies of L.A. as well. Imagine a track-list without them, and add the bonus songs which IMO were better suited for the album. This is what you get:

 

01.Taking Chances

02.Alone

03.Eyes On Me

04.My Love

05.Shadow Of Love

06.Surprise Surprise

07.This Time

08.There Comes A Time

09.Can't Fight The Feeling

10.I Got Nothing Left

11.Fade Away

12.That's Just The Woman In Me

13.Map To My Heart

14.The Reason I Go On

 

To me this track-list is far more cohesive and consistent, clearly aligning with the album purpose.

 

I thought SOLA and RNTTRO were actually rather experimental sounds for her ballads. SOLA has this beautiful ethereal sound, and Tricky Stewart’s production was modern for the time and top notch. RNTTRO had a folksy vibe that you don’t really hear in the rest of her catalog. I like them on the album. I understand what you mean about the rest of the songs not having the edge to go with the concept. But I still like the songs.