"Sans attendre" album - Official Topic

[J-Man]

You know, I think what I'm trying to get at is that, as some others here have already stated, Celine is obviously really not very confident about her songwriting abilities. And considering how much time there is between now and November, my guess is they're still in the process of deciding which direction to take the release. If Celine / Rene / Sony / whoever is still unsure about what the response to a self-written album would be, it would make perfect sense for them to release a song like "Parler a Mon Pere" as a sort of "trial balloon" to gauge the response to Celine's songwriting. And by all accounts, if it is true, the response has been extraordinary! I mean, I've got friends who hate Celine and are emailing me saying how they thing the new French song is "incredible." If anything, I think we ought o be talking about Celine's songwriting more on this forum, because I'd bet there are a lot of people from her team at Sony who lurk here (I always like to imagine Rene is reading my posts hehe), and they need to know that we, the fans, support Celine's creative talents 100% !

 

And also, though, just keep in mind how much flack Celine has gotten over the years for not writing her own songs. If she released a self-written song, it would get a lot of press, and they would probably want to wait until as close to the release date as possible so as to ensure that whatever buzz the disclosure generates doesn't fade away months before the record is in stores. Celine's team has been super on top of their s**t regarding the media recently (the Adele cover is an excellent example of this - brilliant viral marketing idea!) so I just think we should reserve judgement until they actually unveil the album to the world. Keeping my fingers crossed in the meantime

 

RITD going viral had nothing to do with anyone in Celine's team. They aren't the ones who recorded and put the audio clip on YouTube. And if they were as s***t hot as all that then they would've put up a hd version of the live performance ASAP to let people see that Celine's show is not just a place for old farts to rest up between slot machine marathons.

Instead they appear to have made an own goal of recording a studio version for the album instead. They may as well include a free stick with every copy to further help the critics to bash her.

 

And sadly I can't agree with this whole question of Celine writing the new album. There's just no way they would release Parler A Mon Pere without mentioning that fact. Besides, it's sweet, but not ecactly the kind of song to make people think: "wow! I wonder who wrote that?!" Nice fantasy though.

 

Has anybody got any information on the listening event that was due to take place on the 6th of July? Five tracks were to be previewed. There was at least one forum member invited. But so far I havent heard any feedback, at least not here.

[eyso]

Oh come on, you know nothing about how Celine's show has been marketed. If you want to get people to shell out hundreds of dollars to see Celine in Vegas, you don't give out HQ versions of the songs. Remember how long it took for them to release the AND DVD. You have to build up buzz little by little so as to keep the fans wanting more. And it's pretty much expected now that there are always going to be fans in the audience trying to record bootlegs. The fact is, with all the attention Adele's been getting recently, Celine only had to sing the song for it to go viral. And that's saying something.

[eyso]

RITD going viral had nothing to do with anyone in Celine's team. They aren't the ones who recorded and put the audio clip on YouTube. And if they were as s***t hot as all that then they would've put up a hd version of the live performance ASAP to let people see that Celine's show is not just a place for old farts to rest up between slot machine marathons.

Instead they appear to have made an own goal of recording a studio version for the album instead. They may as well include a free stick with every copy to further help the critics to bash her.

 

And sadly I can't agree with this whole question of Celine writing the new album. There's just no way they would release Parler A Mon Pere without mentioning that fact. Besides, it's sweet, but not ecactly the kind of song to make people think: "wow! I wonder who wrote that?!" Nice fantasy though.

 

Has anybody got any information on the listening event that was due to take place on the 6th of July? Five tracks were to be previewed. There was at least one forum member invited. But so far I havent heard any feedback, at least not here.

 

Jeez, you people are just unbelievable. So much negativity about someone we all claim to care so much about. This forum is honestly embarrassing to read sometimes.

[eyso]

I mean, Celine's been getting better press from her non-fans than from her ACTUAL fans recently (and she actually HAS been getting incredible press lately. It's almost surreal). This forum needs a reality check.

[Xpresso]

J-Man, how do we know for sure Sony is not behind posting the clip of Rolling in The Deep on YouTube. It could sure be someone from Sony...

I think someone definately had this whole thing planned...

[Xpresso]

I mean, Celine's been getting better press from her non-fans than from her ACTUAL fans recently (and she actually HAS been getting incredible press lately. It's almost surreal). This forum needs a reality check.

 

Very true. But I read something yesterday in French about how Celine's fans were upset about the new single!!! And they included some of the "fans'" comments... Things like "we waited more than 5 years for this!!!???". Obviously many fans are happy with the new song (just as I am) but others (the minority I think) aren't not. And of course, some of the media picked up the negative comments and wrote about it as if all the fans had that negative reaction about the song. How sad it that when you think most non-Celine fans actually do love the new song!!

[J-Man]

So you think they orchestrated it for someone to post a bootleg audio on YouTube which they knew would go viral?

 

Reality check? I'm stating the reality. The critics are just waiting to find a reason to hate Celine's albums. I'm sorry if people don't like to hear it, but this is the way it is. Over 20 years of being a fan has taught me this.

It's not the way I want it to be, but it's the way it is.

 

Leaving it as a live version would be just fine, but making it an integral part of an album when the song is only a couple of years old is not going what I consider a wise move. Plus, there is nothing wrong with releasing it in A HD quality version of the live recording. It's going to attract people to Vegas more than stop them from going IMO. I'm not talking about releasing a video of the whole concert to YouTube.

[eyso]

So you think they orchestrated it for someone to post a bootleg audio on YouTube which they knew would go viral?

 

Reality check? I'm stating the reality. The critics are just waiting to find a reason to hate Celine's albums. I'm sorry if people don't like to hear it, but this is the way it is. Over 20 years of being a fan has taught me this.

It's not the way I want it to be, but it's the way it is.

 

Leaving it as a live version would be just fine, but making it an integral part of an album when the song is only a couple of years old is not going what I consider a wise move. Plus, there is nothing wrong with releasing it in A HD quality version of the live recording. It's going to attract people to Vegas more than stop them from going IMO. I'm not talking about releasing a video of the whole concert to YouTube.

 

Yes, I think most of what Sony does with regard to Celine is orchestrated. I mean, she's probably the most valuable celebrity brand in the world right now (after Madonna went and ruined her reputation with MDNA), and in the post-Adele era (which taught the record industry the crucial lesson that, even in the age of iTunes, vocals are still what sells), I don't think it's a "fantasy" to speculate about how Sony might be trying to re-launch Celine's brand so as to potentially reproduce the success of 21.

 

And I know you are entitled to your opinion, J-Man, but it seems to me like fans like you are actually far harsher critics than the supposed "haters" out there who Celine needs to be protected from. She's got this one in the bag, don't worry. Because she is Celine Dion, after all.

[Davey84]

She's got this one in the bag, don't worry. Because she is Celine Dion, after all.

 

 

And because Céline is still with Sony and her old team who still live in the 90's we certainly don't have to worry that Céline will release two amazing albums and that these albums will be killed by the most stupid singles. Leaving Céline a chance to have another big hit close to zero

[eyso]

And because Céline is still with Sony and her old team who still live in the 90's we certainly don't have to worry that Céline will release two amazing albums and that these albums will be killed by the most stupid singles. Leaving Céline a chance to have another big hit close to zero

 

Umm, no. Have you been following the news about Tommy Mottola and Vito Luprano? Celine's old team is no longer associated with Sony. I don't think any of us really have a clue who is guiding her career anymore. Rene even went so far as to say he has no contacts with Sony Music International now that the staff shake-up has worked its way out. This is a whole new ballgame, people. Wake up.

[Xpresso]

So you think they orchestrated it for someone to post a bootleg audio on YouTube which they knew would go viral?

 

Well i'm not saying they did for sure, but it IS a possibility....

They sure knew they would get a lot of press out of it. And they did.

[eyso]

Also, do you realize how much Celine is worth to Sony? Like, we're talking billions of dollars. With the record industry the way it is, they are not going to softball these new albums. Taking Chances was the last straw for the Mottola / Angelil marketing strategy. He was fired shortly thereafter. Not that I would know anything about that, of course.

[j'attendais...]

Hi to all of you, this is my first post here even though I've been reading here and there for some months now.

I just wanted to say that, like many others I think, I would really love Celine writing her own songs and that it would be a really huge turn in her career. A way to say that she's actually in control of what she wants to do and that she's willing to say to her fans "look, I'm here, this is what I feel and I'd like to share it with you with my own words".

I find "Parler a mon pere" lyrics very touching and I think it could be Celine to have written it. I'm aware that it may not be the song that hits you on first hearing because it needs some reflection, empathy and understanding to get at you.

 

Bye

[Javito]

Kevin, there's no need to make a scandal post out of it, if you don't like my comments or can't stand me, there's a useful option called "Ignore user" in my profile (options---> ignore user) and then you won't see my posts again.

 

I know and I admit I repeat myself a lot with the same comments, and I apology for that, but I won't apology for speaking my mind clearly with what I think, as long as I say it with respect and politely.

 

I've never tried to silence anybody's opinion if it was a positive one, I don't know where you got that, and it's not true at all that all my comments are negative with Céline-if you visit the new french single and album thread, you'll see I didn't write a single negative comment about the song (because I really like it) other than its too short. And when I found out the other day that the french album will have 15 songs, I were beyond excitement and I showed it in my post

 

So yes, you can say I'm negative with this english album, but I call it to be realist intead, which is very different. Maybe I speak too much and I should wait to have the album and listen it before having an opinion, but I know that what I say is the opinion of many other fans (the difference, like you say, is that they don't state it as many times as I do ). I'm not the spokesman of anybody, but I know that many people agree with what I say even if they don't openly admit it or write it here.

 

So, my apologies if I have bored anybody with my repetitive comments, but I don't apology for saying what I say. The forum has slowed down since 2010 but not because of what you call negativity, but because we've barely had news and Céline herself has slowed down her activity (and this is not a negative comment, its a fact).

 

 

 

OMG JAVITO, GET OVER IT

 

You keep going on and on and on and on and on and on! IM BORED of all this now! I agree with you but you keep saying the same things over and over, and we cant change or do anything. all thats happening here is a forum full of negative points, making people leave or hardly visit the forum anymore. If someone even suggests something or an idea you are there to but a negative side to it. I wonder if you have the biggest post count on here.... how many are positive.

 

Every bloody move this woman makes you are there to pick up on the negatives! She doesnt want the career you want her to have so get over it, cus me and MANY others on the forum are BORED! This is not the same place it used to be and i think we can all agree on that.

 

enough is enough, yes we all have an opinion, but bloody hell, you just cant leave off, i have seen everything you have posted 100+, we are going to need a new server soon for ur negative posts alone (joke)

 

You seen a great great guy but we dont need the same recycled stuff over and over in EVERY topic which concerns new things from Celine. If you think Celine and her career is a joke then fine but some of us are happy for her is she wants an easier life after dedicating most of her life to us.

 

I always think of what she said about RC how he loved her to be in with no makeup and PJ, Celine is a mum to three and rene and Celine are the most important people to them children, who cares if celine has gone part time with her work for now, she is in the right place. I dont know if you are a parent, but i work with children and im training to be a teacher. Parents want to see their every move, walk, smile, laugh .......... i dont know if you work with children or ur a parent but maybe you should think of how much her children are left, without their mother while she juggles her life for her fans, recording, listening to songs, her show in vegas, perfums, shows here and there, video messeges, meet and greets, signing autographs for hours, photoshoots, music videos, tv shows, talks with sony not only for english but for french......

 

give her a break and us a break from the same thing over and over

Im sorry if you saw this as rude but ive had enough like many others, im getting tired of coming here

 

Kev x

[Peppercorn1991]

Kevin, there's no need to make a scandal post out of it, if you don't like my comments or can't stand me, there's a useful option called "Ignore user" in my profile (options---> ignore user) and then you won't see my posts again.

 

I know and I admit I repeat myself a lot with the same comments, and I apology for that, but I won't apology for speaking my mind clearly with what I think, as long as I say it with respect and politely.

 

I've never tried to silence anybody's opinion if it was a positive one, I don't know where you got that, and it's not true at all that all my comments are negative with Céline-if you visit the new french single and album thread, you'll see I didn't write a single negative comment about the song (because I really like it) other than its too short. And when I found out the other day that the french album will have 15 songs, I were beyond excitement and I showed it in my post

 

So yes, you can say I'm negative with this english album, but I call it to be realist intead, which is very different. Maybe I speak too much and I should wait to have the album and listen it before having an opinion, but I know that what I say is the opinion of many other fans (the difference, like you say, is that they don't state it as many times as I do ). I'm not the spokesman of anybody, but I know that many people agree with what I say even if they don't openly admit it or write it here.

 

So, my apologies if I have bored anybody with my repetitive comments, but I don't apology for saying what I say. The forum has slowed down since 2010 but not because of what you call negativity, but because we've barely had news and Céline herself has slowed down her activity (and this is not a negative comment, its a fact).

 

Javito,

 

I wasnt trying to dig at you persoanlly, i hope you know that, I think your a great guy!

 

Many Many of your points are spot on and are very thought through, but its just the same things sometimes and most of us want to come here and get something good from it. It used to be a pleasure to come here. When its overall negative we leave the forum sad, im sure you do too. Everything you say i agree with most of the time as ive told you before. Its not so much negativity is the problem, its the amount of negativity we have here.

 

I really respect you with what you just said, your a cool guy. I just feel we are going to get what we get, nothing we can do or say. You have cheered me up with that post cus u seem to understand, i left the forum last night upset with some people comments on here to me, when all i was doing was explaining how alot of us feel. Trust me this was not a dig at you x

 

kev x

[Celine Fan 77]

c'mon, everyone shares his opinion here, just respect it. I really like Javito's posts, he always explains why he likes or doesn't like certain aspects of Celine's career.

[Javito]

Thanks Carlos

 

Yeah Kevin one thing is for sure: we can moan and threw as many tantrums as we want here, that we're gonna get in the end what they give us and the way they want . We cannot change that. BUT at least her fans can find a place here where we can share our opinions (and that includes complaints IMO )

 

Don't think I have not thought many times that its pointless to complain about things they don't even care, but well... one still has hope that they will change some things and take fans opinions in consideration someday.

[fred]

About RITD and they can't post a HQ performance coz it would damage the ticket sales: They posted HQ clips from many songs from the first show did they not? They also showed her performance of Open Arms on TV.

 

About RITD "success" being orchestrated by the team: I really don't think so. If I remember correctly there were members of this very forum who recommended this youtube clip to various bloggers making it viral.

 

To Kev: I wasn't bashing on you as a person, just your way of phrasing your criticism. I think it's important not to generalize too much when one criticizes a private individual. For example (an extreme one): “Everybody thinks you are annoying” comes off very hard compared to more specified statements such as: “When you do this and that I get very irritated”. The first phrase is quite likely to evoke strong negative feelings and confusion not knowing what the person does wrong or if it’s any use in changing since that judgement seems pretty hopeless. The second phrase leaves room for understanding, and points out what can be changed if that person feels like changing (and there is a higher chance the person feels like changing when the criticism is phrased in the fashion of the second example.) That said, I still want to point out that you speak YOUR mind and let others speak theirs. And if you need to speak for others say who they are so that the person you’re criticising not thinks EVERYONE is against him/her. Get my drift?

 

And to the rest who complain about negativity: How about we all take responsibility for how we feel, instead of acting like victims claiming others opinions about their idol makes their own interest in their idol go away? People have opinions, and you have yours. If your opinions change you shouldn’t blame that on other people who share their opinions (and therefore supposedly affect your opinions). I hope I get my point across here. For example: when I like a song I don’t start disliking it when I hear that other people don’t like that song, and therefore want them to be quiet in order for me to keep liking the song.

 

I will always be an advocate of free speech (If we loose that, we loose everything).

 

And that ignore button, I find it quite odd. What’s the point in coming to a forum if you’re not the least interested in other peoples’ opinions on the matter you are discussing?

 

/fred

Edited July 9, 2012 at 02:51 PM by fred

[wjd]

I like Fred

[celine-rc]

I feel some sort of revolution coming...

[Xpresso]

Fred, your post is kind of ironic...

You are all for free speech as you say, but you tell Kevin how to word his opinion!

[Nando Férri]

About RITD and they can't post a HQ performance coz it would damage the ticket sales: They posted HQ clips from many songs from the first show did they not? They also showed her performance of Open Arms on TV.

 

About RITD "success" being orchestrated by the team: I really don't think so. If I remember correctly there were members of this very forum who recommended this youtube clip to various bloggers making it viral.

 

To Kev: I wasn't bashing on you as a person, just your way of phrasing your criticism. I think it's important not to generalize too much when one criticizes a private individual. For example (an extreme one): “Everybody thinks you are annoying” comes off very hard compared to more specified statements such as: “When you do this and that I get very irritated”. The first phrase is quite likely to evoke strong negative feelings and confusion not knowing what the person does wrong or if it’s any use in changing since that judgement seems pretty hopeless. The second phrase leaves room for understanding, and points out what can be changed if that person feels like changing (and there is a higher chance the person feels like changing when the criticism is phrased in the fashion of the second example.) That said, I still want to point out that you speak YOUR mind and let others speak theirs. And if you need to speak for others say who they are so that the person you’re criticising not thinks EVERYONE is against him/her. Get my drift?

 

And to the rest who complain about negativity: How about we all take responsibility for how we feel, instead of acting like victims claiming others opinions about their idol makes their own interest in their idol go away? People have opinions, and you have yours. If your opinions change you shouldn’t blame that on other people who share their opinions (and therefore supposedly affect your opinions). I hope I get my point across here. For example: when I like a song I don’t start disliking it when I hear that other people don’t like that song, and therefore want them to be quiet in order for me to keep liking the song.

 

I will always be an advocate of free speech (If we loose that, we loose everything).

 

And that ignore button, I find it quite odd. What’s the point in coming to a forum if you’re not the least interested in other peoples’ opinions on the matter you are discussing?

 

/fred

Great post Fred!

[actofcontrition]

I thought the subject was the french album... Edited July 10, 2012 at 12:56 PM by actofcontrition

[Celine Fan 77]

I'm glad the album has a concept. In this case, it's about death. Actually, the message of the album is that we shouldn't wait until we lose our loved ones and we should enjoy the time we spend with them before they're gone.

[fred]

Fred, your post is kind of ironic...

You are all for free speech as you say, but you tell Kevin how to word his opinion!

Then I wasn't clear enough. I am all for him to share his opinion when he feels like doing so, but I encourage to do so in a non-offensive and more constructive way...

 

/fred

[RosieBarron]

This forum gets worse every time I visit it. This is celebrity culture gone mad. People claim to love Celine and yet they want to change and mould her to how they would like her and her career to be.

 

Having seen Celine in Vegas on 12th June, I have to say that she is singing better than she ever has. She was relaxed, happy and enjoying herself. That's largely why she is currently singing so well.

 

However much people want to see her pushing herself, trying new things, recording songs that she has written herself, if that's not what she wants to do then that's up to her. She has been a recording artist at the height of the industry and quite openly said that she didn't really enjoy a lot of it. She chose to walk away from it at the end of the 90's.

 

What she is currently doing is very clever, she does just enough to maintain her career and makes a lot of money from doing that. And she's enjoying it! I'm sure that most working mum's would be very envious. She has made it very clear that her children are her priority. Any albums that she releases should be a bonus for her fans. Instead a lot of them are just complaining before they have even been released. It's embarrassing how out of touch with Celine herself some people on this forum seem to be.

 

I'm very excited about the new albums. Her voice is sounding very good on Parler a Mon Pere. I don't really care who she is or isn't working with behind the scenes or what critics say about it. I'm sure the albums will be excellent!

[Peppercorn1991]

Then I wasn't clear enough. I am all for him to share his opinion when he feels like doing so, but I encourage to do so in a non-offensive and more constructive way...

 

/fred

 

Fred, im sure Javito found no offence in what i wrote, there is such thing as frustration and it gets the better of us sometimes. If i have a problem with a freind i would go about it the same way, its how i work. There is no point pussyfooting around, say what is annoying me and get it out there. Whats the point of doing nothing. My freinds like me like this because i say things how i feel. If you dont like how i am then fine, but everyone is not the same. We deal with situations differently

 

kev x

[couldawouldashoulda]

This forum gets worse every time I visit it. This is celebrity culture gone mad. People claim to love Celine and yet they want to change and mould her to how they would like her and her career to be.

 

Having seen Celine in Vegas on 12th June, I have to say that she is singing better than she ever has. She was relaxed, happy and enjoying herself. That's largely why she is currently singing so well.

 

However much people want to see her pushing herself, trying new things, recording songs that she has written herself, if that's not what she wants to do then that's up to her. She has been a recording artist at the height of the industry and quite openly said that she didn't really enjoy a lot of it. She chose to walk away from it at the end of the 90's.

 

What she is currently doing is very clever, she does just enough to maintain her career and makes a lot of money from doing that. And she's enjoying it! I'm sure that most working mum's would be very envious. She has made it very clear that her children are her priority. Any albums that she releases should be a bonus for her fans. Instead a lot of them are just complaining before they have even been released. It's embarrassing how out of touch with Celine herself some people on this forum seem to be.

 

I'm very excited about the new albums. Her voice is sounding very good on Parler a Mon Pere. I don't really care who she is or isn't working with behind the scenes or what critics say about it. I'm sure the albums will be excellent!

 

A voice of reason! NICE!!! Well put!!

[Miguel&Justin]

So any new news regarding the album and songs or are people still having pointless fights on the internet. Edited July 10, 2012 at 07:10 PM by Miguel&Justin

[dmeredith]

This forum gets worse every time I visit it. This is celebrity culture gone mad. People claim to love Celine and yet they want to change and mould her to how they would like her and her career to be.

 

Having seen Celine in Vegas on 12th June, I have to say that she is singing better than she ever has. She was relaxed, happy and enjoying herself. That's largely why she is currently singing so well.

 

However much people want to see her pushing herself, trying new things, recording songs that she has written herself, if that's not what she wants to do then that's up to her. She has been a recording artist at the height of the industry and quite openly said that she didn't really enjoy a lot of it. She chose to walk away from it at the end of the 90's.

 

What she is currently doing is very clever, she does just enough to maintain her career and makes a lot of money from doing that. And she's enjoying it! I'm sure that most working mum's would be very envious. She has made it very clear that her children are her priority. Any albums that she releases should be a bonus for her fans. Instead a lot of them are just complaining before they have even been released. It's embarrassing how out of touch with Celine herself some people on this forum seem to be.

 

I'm very excited about the new albums. Her voice is sounding very good on Parler a Mon Pere. I don't really care who she is or isn't working with behind the scenes or what critics say about it. I'm sure the albums will be excellent!

 

 

 

Well said "RosieBarron"!!! I agree!!

 

I saw Celine's show on June 25th, and also on June 26th. The show was fabulous, and Celine's voice was magnificent. I was sitting on the 6th row from the stage, and she sounded wonderful. She was in a great mood and loving what she was doing. I wish that I could've gone to more shows! LOL