"Sans attendre" album - Official Topic

[banananas]

She's doing a virtual duet with Henri Salvador apparently, according to that article above.

Google Translate says Henry Rollins

[Céline's Blues]

I do love the album's title. Quite her.

[ashtonelijah]

I do love the album's title. Quite her.

 

She should add a French cover of Alanis Morisette's "Ironic" to it.

[québecflower]

She should add a French cover of Alanis Morisette's "Ironic" to it.

 

i find it quite endearing, i like a bitchy celine

[eyso]

OK, so I'm going to go ahead and say that I actually don't believe anything that I've been told about this album. It just doesn't make sense. First of all, Celine already released an album called "Dion Chante Plamondon" (lest we forget), and the idea that she would be interested in releasing a "sequel" to that album at this point in her career just strikes me as odd. Furthermore, there seems to be a lot of conflicting information surrounding this project, and it seems to have taken an incredibly long time to record and produce. If Celine WERE in fact recording a collaborative album with Luc, the first single would not be "Parler a Mon Pere," since doing so would totally contradict the messaging / framing the album is trying to embody (going on the assumption that this album is DCP redux, so to speak). Furthermore, the cover art for PAMP doesn't say "serious collaboration with esteemed songwriter Luc Plamondon" to me - it's more reminiscent of 1F4T; but what's interesting is the drawing of the girl and the "handwritten" font used to spell out the title. And the song honestly doesn't sound like anything else Veneruso has ever written for her - it's just not his style; it's hard to put my finger on it, but it just doesn't sound like him. In any case, what we are left with is a whole lot of disconnected fragments that fail to add up to a cohesive whole. So I would like to introduce to the members of this forum a theory, that while probably untrue, at least seems to be a better reflection of reality than the story we're being told. I think this album, "Sans Attendre," has been written by none other than Celine Dion herself. It makes perfect sense - we learned during the past year that Celine actually can write songs, and apparently she's quite good at it. But if Celine decided to "end the waiting," so to speak, and re-launch her French career as a singer-songwriter (which to be honest is probably her deepest and most powerful dream, considering she grew up listening to Janis Joplin and Carole King) she would likely seek out the mentorship of someone like Luc Plamondon, who would help her to synthesize all the fragments she may have recorded / scribbled out by hand (remember, Celine can't read music). The project would likely take a long time to come to fruition, and it would have to be the most closely guarded secret in the history of her career, because the internet would literally EXPLODE with rumors, speculation, and gossip following such an announcement. And let's not forget, Plamondon himself said he was working to set words to "melodies he'd been given." I actually think that those melodies may have been written by none other than Celine Dion herself.

[eyso]

Also, I honestly don't think Sony would be investing so much time and energy into this dual album release project, which honestly seems out of place in today's marketing / sales paradigm. And keep in mind that with Tommy Mottolla gone, and Celine and Rene no longer on speaking terms with Vito Luprano, there are likely other voices and other perspectives being brought to bear on Celine's future with the label. The old formula (which was largely a joint creation of Tommy and Rene, with regard to her English and French albums respectively) has obviously been thrown out the window - and if Celine's most recent projects are any indication, the new formula is coming from Celine herself, since Celine seems to believe that her career has already come full circle, in a way, following the completion of the TC tour. I suppose what I'm trying to say is that Sony would not be pushing out two albums at once if they were both the same old Celine formula. And correct me if I'm wrong, but the idea of two albums at once only makes sense in this moment in the industry if one of the albums is a viral marketing platform for the other. But on a more basic level, I can feel Celine's soul in "Parler a Mon Pere." It's a song that sounds as if it's been written directly from her heart, from a daughter to her father. Why would Jacques Veneruso write a song about something so intensely personal? And then why would they release it as a single? Something does not add up here.

[Jeff Abbott]

I'm curious when the final tracklist of her French album will be revealed. Cannot wait.

 

By the way, when "D'elles" was in the works when was it that we were updated on its tracklist?

Edited July 8, 2012 at 02:14 PM by Jeff Abbott

[BartFCS]

Also, I honestly don't think Sony would be investing so much time and energy into this dual album release project, which honestly seems out of place in today's marketing / sales paradigm. And keep in mind that with Tommy Mottolla gone, and Celine and Rene no longer on speaking terms with Vito Luprano, there are likely other voices and other perspectives being brought to bear on Celine's future with the label. The old formula (which was largely a joint creation of Tommy and Rene, with regard to her English and French albums respectively) has obviously been thrown out the window - and if Celine's most recent projects are any indication, the new formula is coming from Celine herself, since Celine seems to believe that her career has already come full circle, in a way, following the completion of the TC tour. I suppose what I'm trying to say is that Sony would not be pushing out two albums at once if they were both the same old Celine formula. And correct me if I'm wrong, but the idea of two albums at once only makes sense in this moment in the industry if one of the albums is a viral marketing platform for the other. But on a more basic level, I can feel Celine's soul in "Parler a Mon Pere." It's a song that sounds as if it's been written directly from her heart, from a daughter to her father. Why would Jacques Veneruso write a song about something so intensely personal? And then why would they release it as a single? Something does not add up here.

You've definitely got my attention!

[ZoraSourit]

OK, so I'm going to go ahead and say that I actually don't believe anything that I've been told about this album. It just doesn't make sense. First of all, Celine already released an album called "Dion Chante Plamondon" (lest we forget), and the idea that she would be interested in releasing a "sequel" to that album at this point in her career just strikes me as odd. Furthermore, there seems to be a lot of conflicting information surrounding this project, and it seems to have taken an incredibly long time to record and produce. If Celine WERE in fact recording a collaborative album with Luc, the first single would not be "Parler a Mon Pere," since doing so would totally contradict the messaging / framing the album is trying to embody (going on the assumption that this album is DCP redux, so to speak). Furthermore, the cover art for PAMP doesn't say "serious collaboration with esteemed songwriter Luc Plamondon" to me - it's more reminiscent of 1F4T; but what's interesting is the drawing of the girl and the "handwritten" font used to spell out the title. And the song honestly doesn't sound like anything else Veneruso has ever written for her - it's just not his style; it's hard to put my finger on it, but it just doesn't sound like him. In any case, what we are left with is a whole lot of disconnected fragments that fail to add up to a cohesive whole. So I would like to introduce to the members of this forum a theory, that while probably untrue, at least seems to be a better reflection of reality than the story we're being told. I think this album, "Sans Attendre," has been written by none other than Celine Dion herself. It makes perfect sense - we learned during the past year that Celine actually can write songs, and apparently she's quite good at it. But if Celine decided to "end the waiting," so to speak, and re-launch her French career as a singer-songwriter (which to be honest is probably her deepest and most powerful dream, considering she grew up listening to Janis Joplin and Carole King) she would likely seek out the mentorship of someone like Luc Plamondon, who would help her to synthesize all the fragments she may have recorded / scribbled out by hand (remember, Celine can't read music). The project would likely take a long time to come to fruition, and it would have to be the most closely guarded secret in the history of her career, because the internet would literally EXPLODE with rumors, speculation, and gossip following such an announcement. And let's not forget, Plamondon himself said he was working to set words to "melodies he'd been given." I actually think that those melodies may have been written by none other than Celine Dion herself.

 

Great theory of conspiracy.... but you also got my attention. And I'd love this to be true.

[Yentl Anchel]

This would be to cool if true.. But why do they list Jacques Vénéruso as the only writer? We do know from the past that if Céline co wrote a song her name is at least there! Maybe they want to keep it a secret untill the album is out. But than it is a very well kept secret!

 

And yeah this song is indeed not like all others he wrote for Celine or any other artist. But I think we have to wait and see.. I also remember Celine saying that everything she write isn't good enough for herself, but I do LOVE Tout Près Du Bonheur! I so hope she did co-write some songs on the album... We'll have to wait untill november thr 5th untill we can say for sure!

 

 

 

Great theory of conspiracy.... but you also got my attention. And I'd love this to be true.

[fred]

If this was true why would they keep it a secret she wrote songs for the album? The reason for that in the theory is too weak to hold it up.

 

So, no news on any video?

 

/fred

[Javito]

Many of us moaning because of the lack of originality and artistry in Céline nowadays and others have time to think she's actually writing the entire french album

 

LOL that's too good to be true and I would be extremely delighted if Céline delivered an album with the majority of songs written by her, but then how do we eat that we're getting an english album full of covers on the other hand?

[Yentl Anchel]

I believe we weren't talking about the English album at all here, but about the French album.. and I think that IF we get an album with a FEW songs written by Céline herself I expect it to be on the French album...

 

The English on the other hand... I don't see it as a compleet cover album, those songs are from the vegas show, yes but did we EVER heard a good studio recording of those songs? And did ALL of us here had a change to go and see the show?? I'm sure we can answer those both questions ith a no.

So for some of us the songs may be completly new (apart from hearing them on Youtube ofcourse)

 

I like the fact that they are putting songs from the show on the album. And it's all about marketing... Most ppl don't even know they are cover songs... I surly remember the release of LTAL and on this album are also a few covers, and don't forget FYI also 16 tracks (EU relase) and 5 covers and 3 songs she did in French and now in English. I still find those 2 albums 2 of the best releases.. So don't judge the book by it's cover... or in this case the album.. First listen to it and then share your penny about the album!

 

Many of us moaning because of the lack of originality and artistry in Céline nowadays and others have time to think she's actually writing the entire french album

 

LOL that's too good to be true and I would be extremely delighted if Céline delivered an album with the majority of songs written by her, but then how do we eat that we're getting an english album full of covers on the other hand?

[Javito]

I believe we weren't talking about the English album at all here, but about the French album.. and I think that IF we get an album with a FEW songs written by Céline herself I expect it to be on the French album...

 

The English on the other hand... I don't see it as a compleet cover album, those songs are from the vegas show, yes but did we EVER heard a good studio recording of those songs? And did ALL of us here had a change to go and see the show?? I'm sure we can answer those both questions ith a no.

So for some of us the songs may be completly new (apart from hearing them on Youtube ofcourse)

 

I like the fact that they are putting songs from the show on the album. And it's all about marketing... Most ppl don't even know they are cover songs... I surly remember the release of LTAL and on this album are also a few covers, and don't forget FYI also 16 tracks (EU relase) and 5 covers and 3 songs she did in French and now in English. I still find those 2 albums 2 of the best releases.. So don't judge the book by it's cover... or in this case the album.. First listen to it and then share your penny about the album!

 

Yes, you're right that two of her best selling albums ever include many covers, but those were not as much popular as the covers she's singing now in Vegas... it is different. You can't compare the cover of IACBTMN with the cover for Open Arms or the Stevie Wonder song. How many people knew IACBTMN or Falling Into You (original song in spanish) before Céline recorded them? But if she records now Open Arms (extremely popular in Europe because of Mariah Carey's cover - not Journey like in the US) everyone is going to remember Mariah's version. So not to mention if she records Rolling In The Deep too

 

The covers from those and this album are very different cases I think

Edited July 8, 2012 at 10:14 PM by Javito

[celinedionfan1]

Many of us moaning because of the lack of originality and artistry in Céline nowadays and others have time to think she's actually writing the entire french album

 

LOL that's too good to be true and I would be extremely delighted if Céline delivered an album with the majority of songs written by her, but then how do we eat that we're getting an english album full of covers on the other hand?

 

 

Ok, that was actually hilarious!!!! :sofunny:

[browseceline]

Yes, you're right that two of her best selling albums ever include many covers, but those were not as much popular as the covers she's singing now in Vegas... it is different. You can't compare the cover of IACBTMN with the cover for Open Arms or the Stevie Wonder song. How many people knew IACBTMN or Falling Into You (original song in spanish) before Céline recorded them? But if she records now Open Arms (extremely popular in Europe because of Mariah Carey's cover - not Journey like in the US) everyone is going to remember Mariah's version. So not to mention if she records Rolling In The Deep too

 

The covers from those and this album are very different cases I think

 

exactly. In face first I did not know It's All Coming Back To me Now, was a cover, Celine made this song famous though.

Most people know this song and think the song is originally from Celine.

But songs like At Seventeen, Lullaby, Overjoyed Open Arms and the James Bond medley

and indeed Rolling in the deep are very popular songs. Most people know the original versions

They are not like IABTMN or Falling into You.

[Peppercorn1991]

Yes, you're right that two of her best selling albums ever include many covers, but those were not as much popular as the covers she's singing now in Vegas... it is different. You can't compare the cover of IACBTMN with the cover for Open Arms or the Stevie Wonder song. How many people knew IACBTMN or Falling Into You (original song in spanish) before Céline recorded them? But if she records now Open Arms (extremely popular in Europe because of Mariah Carey's cover - not Journey like in the US) everyone is going to remember Mariah's version. So not to mention if she records Rolling In The Deep too

 

The covers from those and this album are very different cases I think

 

OMG JAVITO, GET OVER IT

 

You keep going on and on and on and on and on and on! IM BORED of all this now! I agree with you but you keep saying the same things over and over, and we cant change or do anything. all thats happening here is a forum full of negative points, making people leave or hardly visit the forum anymore. If someone even suggests something or an idea you are there to but a negative side to it. I wonder if you have the biggest post count on here.... how many are positive.

 

Every bloody move this woman makes you are there to pick up on the negatives! She doesnt want the career you want her to have so get over it, cus me and MANY others on the forum are BORED! This is not the same place it used to be and i think we can all agree on that.

 

enough is enough, yes we all have an opinion, but bloody hell, you just cant leave off, i have seen everything you have posted 100+, we are going to need a new server soon for ur negative posts alone (joke)

 

You seen a great great guy but we dont need the same recycled stuff over and over in EVERY topic which concerns new things from Celine. If you think Celine and her career is a joke then fine but some of us are happy for her is she wants an easier life after dedicating most of her life to us.

 

I always think of what she said about RC how he loved her to be in with no makeup and PJ, Celine is a mum to three and rene and Celine are the most important people to them children, who cares if celine has gone part time with her work for now, she is in the right place. I dont know if you are a parent, but i work with children and im training to be a teacher. Parents want to see their every move, walk, smile, laugh .......... i dont know if you work with children or ur a parent but maybe you should think of how much her children are left, without their mother while she juggles her life for her fans, recording, listening to songs, her show in vegas, perfums, shows here and there, video messeges, meet and greets, signing autographs for hours, photoshoots, music videos, tv shows, talks with sony not only for english but for french......

 

give her a break and us a break from the same thing over and over

Im sorry if you saw this as rude but ive had enough like many others, im getting tired of coming here

 

Kev x

[québecflower]

OMG JAVITO, GET OVER IT

 

You keep going on and on and on and on and on and on! IM BORED of all this now! I agree with you but you keep saying the same things over and over, and we cant change or do anything. all thats happening here is a forum full of negative points, making people leave or hardly visit the forum anymore. If someone even suggests something or an idea you are there to but a negative side to it. I wonder if you have the biggest post count on here.... how many are positive.

 

Every bloody move this woman makes you are there to pick up on the negatives! She doesnt want the career you want her to have so get over it, cus me and MANY others on the forum are BORED! This is not the same place it used to be and i think we can all agree on that.

 

enough is enough, yes we all have an opinion, but bloody hell, you just cant leave off, i have seen everything you have posted 100+, we are going to need a new server soon for ur negative posts alone (joke)

 

You seen a great great guy but we dont need the same recycled stuff over and over in EVERY topic which concerns new things from Celine. If you think Celine and her career is a joke then fine but some of us are happy for her is she wants an easier life after dedicating most of her life to us.

 

I always think of what she said about RC how he loved her to be in with no makeup and PJ, Celine is a mum to three and rene and Celine are the most important people to them children, who cares if celine has gone part time with her work for now, she is in the right place. I dont know if you are a parent, but i work with children and im training to be a teacher. Parents want to see their every move, walk, smile, laugh .......... i dont know if you work with children or ur a parent but maybe you should think of how much her children are left, without their mother while she juggles her life for her fans, recording, listening to songs, her show in vegas, perfums, shows here and there, video messeges, meet and greets, signing autographs for hours, photoshoots, music videos, tv shows, talks with sony not only for english but for french......

 

give her a break and us a break from the same thing over and over

Im sorry if you saw this as rude but ive had enough like many others, im getting tired of coming here

 

Kev x

 

i am with you on this, but i'm not as good as you in english

Edited July 8, 2012 at 11:57 PM by québecflower

[Haheather]

^ +5389375204587205 Finally someone says it! Go Kev! Edited July 9, 2012 at 12:00 AM by Haheather

[takeachance]

i could sure do with that break come on Javito!!! give a positive post. or just a little break as Kev says !!... Edited July 9, 2012 at 12:04 AM by takeachance

[fred]

There are many people here who repeat. And I don't find any need to just jump at one person.

 

Kevin, you are free to speak your mind, but do so (YOUR mind). It can be very hard for Javito to read your critisism and then seeing you give strenght to your opinions by claming many others agree with you.

 

/fred

[celine-rc]

OMG JAVITO, GET OVER IT

 

You keep going on and on and on and on and on and on! IM BORED of all this now! I agree with you but you keep saying the same things over and over, and we cant change or do anything. all thats happening here is a forum full of negative points, making people leave or hardly visit the forum anymore. If someone even suggests something or an idea you are there to but a negative side to it. I wonder if you have the biggest post count on here.... how many are positive.

 

Every bloody move this woman makes you are there to pick up on the negatives! She doesnt want the career you want her to have so get over it, cus me and MANY others on the forum are BORED! This is not the same place it used to be and i think we can all agree on that.

 

enough is enough, yes we all have an opinion, but bloody hell, you just cant leave off, i have seen everything you have posted 100+, we are going to need a new server soon for ur negative posts alone (joke)

 

You seen a great great guy but we dont need the same recycled stuff over and over in EVERY topic which concerns new things from Celine. If you think Celine and her career is a joke then fine but some of us are happy for her is she wants an easier life after dedicating most of her life to us.

 

I always think of what she said about RC how he loved her to be in with no makeup and PJ, Celine is a mum to three and rene and Celine are the most important people to them children, who cares if celine has gone part time with her work for now, she is in the right place. I dont know if you are a parent, but i work with children and im training to be a teacher. Parents want to see their every move, walk, smile, laugh .......... i dont know if you work with children or ur a parent but maybe you should think of how much her children are left, without their mother while she juggles her life for her fans, recording, listening to songs, her show in vegas, perfums, shows here and there, video messeges, meet and greets, signing autographs for hours, photoshoots, music videos, tv shows, talks with sony not only for english but for french......

 

give her a break and us a break from the same thing over and over

Im sorry if you saw this as rude but ive had enough like many others, im getting tired of coming here

 

Kev x

 

THANK YOU !!! I couldn't agree more !!!! +99999999999999

I think that, we should (like it already was the case not so long ago) be able to speak our mind, and respect other people's opinions. It's is true that because of this negativity, it's a less fun place and many amazing people have decided to leave.

Thanks Kev.

[Peppercorn1991]

There are many people here who repeat. And I don't find any need to just jump at one person.

 

Kevin, you are free to speak your mind, but do so (YOUR mind). It can be very hard for Javito to read your critisism and then seeing you give strenght to your opinions by claming many others agree with you.

 

/fred

 

Fred,

 

I dont know what you are getting at? Your saying that people who are leaving and not posting anymore because of the negativity cannot have anyone stand up for them? I think my opinions are a collective opinion for many fans on here (not all), which is backed up by the comments after my post and the number of people appearing in my inbox, saying thank you for saying what i did. Its not jumping on just Javito, but Javito is the guy who i see daily more than anyone. I do not agree with you so we will have to agree to disagree. All i know is that the forum is ready for positive things and unless some people stop with all this negativity then i think the forum will have less and less people posting and more people leaving, infact its already started to happen. Like i say i disagree with you

 

I am starting to hate coming here, i wasn't un-polite, i said nothing to harm him, just explaining how i felt, sorry for that Fred, i guess ill have to read another marathon of negative posts and not voice my opinion in future. Apparently talking for others on the forum is not allowed, sorry guys.

 

 

kev

Edited July 9, 2012 at 01:55 AM by Peppercorn1991

[rhapsodion]

For those who want to manage Celine's career, or give advices to her team, it may be more efficient to send your thoughts/resume via mail to Feelings Production. Don't assume Celine's management will come here and read your comments, and they will then change their concepts/strategies.

 

It's definitely fine to share your views here, but I agree with Kev, no need to repeat it again and again, not matter it's positive or negative comments.

[ashtonelijah]

OMG JAVITO, GET OVER IT

 

You keep going on and on and on and on and on and on! IM BORED of all this now! I agree with you but you keep saying the same things over and over, and we cant change or do anything. all thats happening here is a forum full of negative points, making people leave or hardly visit the forum anymore. If someone even suggests something or an idea you are there to but a negative side to it. I wonder if you have the biggest post count on here.... how many are positive.

 

Every bloody move this woman makes you are there to pick up on the negatives! She doesnt want the career you want her to have so get over it, cus me and MANY others on the forum are BORED! This is not the same place it used to be and i think we can all agree on that.

 

enough is enough, yes we all have an opinion, but bloody hell, you just cant leave off, i have seen everything you have posted 100+, we are going to need a new server soon for ur negative posts alone (joke)

 

You seen a great great guy but we dont need the same recycled stuff over and over in EVERY topic which concerns new things from Celine. If you think Celine and her career is a joke then fine but some of us are happy for her is she wants an easier life after dedicating most of her life to us.

 

I always think of what she said about RC how he loved her to be in with no makeup and PJ, Celine is a mum to three and rene and Celine are the most important people to them children, who cares if celine has gone part time with her work for now, she is in the right place. I dont know if you are a parent, but i work with children and im training to be a teacher. Parents want to see their every move, walk, smile, laugh .......... i dont know if you work with children or ur a parent but maybe you should think of how much her children are left, without their mother while she juggles her life for her fans, recording, listening to songs, her show in vegas, perfums, shows here and there, video messeges, meet and greets, signing autographs for hours, photoshoots, music videos, tv shows, talks with sony not only for english but for french......

 

give her a break and us a break from the same thing over and over

Im sorry if you saw this as rude but ive had enough like many others, im getting tired of coming here

 

Kev x

 

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

It's gotten so bad that I was ready to make a thread specifically for positive discussion of Céline news. I'm serious. I'd really like to have a news discussion thread that is only for POSITIVE conversation. I don't mind criticism of Céline, and I do it myself, but it's really frustrating coming here, seeing a new page or two of comments, getting excited because I think it means NEWS, and then seeing nothing but the same recycled complaints as the past 100+ pages. And then, to make matters worse, when there actually is news, there are about 1 or 2 posts from people who are excited, and then it collapses into whine and complainfests. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

 

I agree with many of the complaints. But you know, a lot of my complaints/criticisms were minor before I started coming to this forum and they didn't weigh on me. Now, I can't listen to Céline without all the complaints I read here running through my mind. Like, it's ruining my enjoyment. I can't get excited about anything these days because every time I see a piece of news that excites me (like the news of a RITD cover--OMG!) a million people rush in to pour cold water on it. I used to really enjoy this forum, but it's such a downer lately. I'm gonna try creating that thread now. Mods, is that cool?

[stevo]

The forum is full of Negative Nancies these days- stop wining and enjoy the music (when it eventually comes)

[Ronan]

Please do this!! I am a new forum reader but long term fan and get so deflated

when I arrive here to get some news and all you get is a bitchfest. TC was the last thing we had in English from Celine and while I thought the covers on that sat awkwardly on the album the rest was fresh, daring and a big change in style for Celine. I thought TC showed all aspiring female artists how good a pop album can sound when the voice is as good as Celine's as no one else out there can make a modern song sound so effortless. I hear strained screaming or out of tune torture sold to the younger generation on the strength of style and image over talent. I like Adele and her songs and voice but she has yet to grow up and find herself.

 

Celine could not be a more open, honest person who does everything for her fans including allowing the cameras into her delivery room before she gives birth and that's how far she goes for her fans. It's a bit rich to complain I think. Be grateful she does anything is something I read a lot here and it's true.

 

I just started buying and listening to her French albums in the last year and it opens a whole other world to me. Try that if you have not already done so. They are amazing melodies and it will enrichen your lives as it has done mine. I started with 1 Fille & 4 types and recommend starting there.

 

 

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

 

 

Bring on the positive threads and let's get some new voices and people on the forum!!

It's gotten so bad that I was ready to make a thread specifically for positive discussion of Céline news. I'm serious. I'd really like to have a news discussion thread that is only for POSITIVE conversation. I don't mind criticism of Céline, and I do it myself, but it's really frustrating coming here, seeing a new page or two of comments, getting excited because I think it means NEWS, and then seeing nothing but the same recycled complaints as the past 100+ pages. And then, to make matters worse, when there actually is news, there are about 1 or 2 posts from people who are excited, and then it collapses into whine and complainfests. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

 

I agree with many of the complaints. But you know, a lot of my complaints/criticisms were minor before I started coming to this forum and they didn't weigh on me. Now, I can't listen to Céline without all the complaints I read here running through my mind. Like, it's ruining my enjoyment. I can't get excited about anything these days because every time I see a piece of news that excites me (like the news of a RITD cover--OMG!) a million people rush in to pour cold water on it. I used to really enjoy this forum, but it's such a downer lately. I'm gonna try creating that thread now. Mods, is that cool?

Edited July 9, 2012 at 06:59 AM by Ronan

[eyso]

If this was true why would they keep it a secret she wrote songs for the album? The reason for that in the theory is too weak to hold it up.

 

So, no news on any video?

 

/fred

 

You know, I think what I'm trying to get at is that, as some others here have already stated, Celine is obviously really not very confident about her songwriting abilities. And considering how much time there is between now and November, my guess is they're still in the process of deciding which direction to take the release. If Celine / Rene / Sony / whoever is still unsure about what the response to a self-written album would be, it would make perfect sense for them to release a song like "Parler a Mon Pere" as a sort of "trial balloon" to gauge the response to Celine's songwriting. And by all accounts, if it is true, the response has been extraordinary! I mean, I've got friends who hate Celine and are emailing me saying how they thing the new French song is "incredible." If anything, I think we ought o be talking about Celine's songwriting more on this forum, because I'd bet there are a lot of people from her team at Sony who lurk here (I always like to imagine Rene is reading my posts hehe), and they need to know that we, the fans, support Celine's creative talents 100% !

 

And also, though, just keep in mind how much flack Celine has gotten over the years for not writing her own songs. If she released a self-written song, it would get a lot of press, and they would probably want to wait until as close to the release date as possible so as to ensure that whatever buzz the disclosure generates doesn't fade away months before the record is in stores. Celine's team has been super on top of their s**t regarding the media recently (the Adele cover is an excellent example of this - brilliant viral marketing idea!) so I just think we should reserve judgement until they actually unveil the album to the world. Keeping my fingers crossed in the meantime

[eyso]

I think we've all been forgetting to give Celine credit for her artistry recently. I can't stand reading all these posts complaining about how everyone but Celine is dictating the terms of her career, how Rene is ruining her albums by "forcing" her to sing covers. I mean, Celine is her own woman, and she's a powerful woman at that; honestly one of the most powerful women in the world! If she's recording covers for her English album, it's probably because they're songs she herself has always wanted to record. We tend to forget that Celine is a human being (and a really smart human being at that) who has had a really unique life, and she's finally at a point in her life where she feels in control of her career. We should be celebrating that, and getting super excited for these releases, because honestly I have never been so excited for a Celine album as I am for these two. It just feels like she's finally taking responsibility for her career, and that can only be a good thing! She has come a long way since the days when she would just let Rene, Tommy, Vito, and David Foster mold her into their vision of what a diva should be. And believe me when I say she still has something to prove, no matter what she may have said in the past. She still has to prove to all the haters that she IS, in fact, one of the greatest artists of all time - and not just a pretty girl who can hit the high notes. Mariah Carey writes her own songs, keep that in mind.

[eyso]

And to be honest, I think a lot of the rhetoric being thrown around on this forum recently is just plain sexist. Celine's fans should be the ones standing up for her individuality and sovereignty as a great artist, not participating in the same tired myths about Celine being a weak, passive, unintelligent woman who lets her husband boss her around / commodify her. Celine is not a commodity, she's a creative spirit. We should be standing up for her, not tearing her down. If anyone has read "Let's Talk About Love: A Journey to the End of Taste," you'll know what I'm talking about. There are far too many people in this world who refuse to respect or even acknowledge Celine's incredible creative talents, and it may just be that Celine herself does not trust her fans to accept, affirm, and honor her own unique creative contributions.