UPDATE: Celine's 5th attempt with in-vitro

[Jacqui]

Yeah, they are getting a bit crazy. I think I'm just gonna believe what Rene said...it was nice of him to clarify anything at all, and we have no reason to not to believe what he said. He was pretty clear saying the second attempt was unsuccessful. It's the first one he wasn't clear about. Edited November 12, 2009 at 10:27 PM by Jacqui

[Belle Céline]

Are these pics new?

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h83/CelJunkee/cediomiialemdeka.jpg

Nope they are from a set Thomas posted they are from December 3 2008

 

New Photo's of Celine in LA

Edited November 12, 2009 at 10:40 PM by Belle Céline

[manu23]

Is it true she is coming to New York this weekend? She will be at Plaza right? Maybe I'll try to cach her this time

[blueice000]

I'm really sorry if I'm repeating something that someone has already said as I haven't had the time to read all of the posts. It appears that some people are a bit confused as to the process of IVF (or any pregnancy for that matter) and how/when a woman is deemed to be pregnant/not pregnant. In early stages of pregnancy (whether it be IVF or not) we all know that blood/urine tests are done to give a positive/negative result. The thing is it's not as easy as you are or you are not pregnant. Blood tests are taken to measure hormone levels, if the levels are on the way up then it is assumed you are pregnant (or in Celine's case that the embryo has 'taken'). Unfortunately, as is possibly Celine's case, the blood levels of hormones initially went up before reversing and going back down (indicating that the embryo had not 'taken'). As you see from above there is not definitive you are or your not pregnant mark. The announcement of the pregnancy may have been made on the back of blood tests indicating that the levels were going up, and after the announcement was made the levels started going down.

 

 

As for their decision not to release that it hadn't taken....well that's a very personal one. I understand why some people may feel hurt, thinking that she was pregnant when she wasn't. However, my personal opinion is that Celine/Rene have always been very generous in letting fans into their personal lives. But everyone has their limit, and obviously this time they felt it was something they wanted to keep private. I respect their decision. As for their choice to keep trying at IVF...again another very personal decision. I don't feel it is my place to comment on whether or not that is the right choice, as I don't know what is right for them (only they do!). I can only wish them every success in what they choose to do. As many have pointed out, IVF is not an easy road. I wish them luck, and I hope that their dream of having another child comes true.

Edited November 12, 2009 at 10:58 PM by blueice000

[autumnskies00]

Is it true she is coming to New York this weekend? She will be at Plaza right? Maybe I'll try to cach her this time

 

 

Don't you think she'd want her privacy at this time? I don't even know why Rene released that information that she'll be there.

[ladylindsey]

maybe it's a false date, maybe she has already been this past weekend or during the week or in 2 weeks. I don't know. I don't know why he said that either.

[jacobmarley]

maybe I'm selfesh

but the thing that bothers me the most is that this means that Celine's break will be even longer

 

I'd add rude and insensitive to the list as well. But perhaps they're all considered to be synonyms

wow, people really seem to jump quickly on conclusions and be easily disrespectful towards others here...

 

Disrespectful? LMAO

 

And to be that selfish is not disrespectful towards Celine and her family? I honestly don't get how some peoples' minds work (but suuure, feel free to consider me a b*tch for thinking we should support Celine instead of our own selfish needs).

 

I'm not thinking of you in any vulgar terms like "*CENSORED*"... I'm not the kind of guy who easily insult people like many seem to do over here when they come across people who don't think like them... I just think that no one should be insulted or called "rude" for stating out loud what they truly feel about all of this... Why the hell should everybody react the exact same way to what is happening to Céline? If some people don't want to show more support to Céline than that, good for them, they are allowed to do so!

[Nmj]

I'm Hoping she will be pregnant before New Years

[Nmj]

I Love all the publicity but, i hate that its not good publicity...Celine is STILL a top search at aol.com and other search engines, at School and work people are talking about her

[Koolan]

It's up to Céline (as well as Rene) to make the right decisions for their family. I think we should respect those decisions, whatever they may be. This is my opinion. Everyone has the right to their opinion but I doubt you would care of someone else telling you what should and shouldn't be done within your own family unit. We have enough of this with people inserting themselves in gay families and pretending they know what's best for them ...but that's another story.

 

That being said, everyone here has the right to their opinion. I have yet to see what I call "bashing" towards Céline. It seems that whenever someone comments other than to say, "I'm sorry for your loss...." or "I'm losing sleep over this..." and/or "This is horrible!" people take it offensively. I doubt that anyone here hates, dislikes, or has ill intentions towards Céline or her family but they should have the right to speak their minds as well as long is it isn't taken too far ...which it hasn't been. I would hope that we can all remain respectful to each other and learn that not everyone will agree all the time.

Very well put. I haven't seen any "bashing" towards Celine either.

[lindsey22]

where are you people seeing that Celine's embryo trouble is the top search on the internet. I see nothing of it. Edited November 13, 2009 at 03:29 AM by lindsey22

[lindsey22]

my priest said that man cannot play God and that is what Celine and Rene are doing therefore they baby did not come to fruit. I dont know how to respond because im religious too but i love Celine but i know that my priest thinks what she is doing is wrong. im so confused, but my priest said that God knows best Edited November 13, 2009 at 03:28 AM by lindsey22

[lindsey22]

ok i had to put this up. this is just so anti-celine

look at this link and picture they used to announced Celines mishap, on AOL of all places.

http://entertainment.aol.co.uk/entertainme...200481786265081

[autumnskies00]

my priest said that man cannot play God and that is what Celine and Rene are doing therefore they baby did not come to fruit. I dont know how to respond because im religious too but i love Celine but i know that my priest thinks what she is doing is wrong. im so confused, but my priest said that God knows best

 

 

I don't really think that trying to bring another life into the world is playing God. It would be a blessing if it happened. Its ok to have a different view than your priest. I'm sure you know more about the situation than he does. Many people who can't have children the natural way because of cancer or other issues are also looking to IVF....and because they can't have a baby the natural way..what they should never have children? If she didn't "play God" before, Rene-Charles wouldn't have his life, and he is a very loved little boy. Just very kindly stating my opinion hah, don't want to start anymore arguements in this topic.

 

And about that link. That was very rude of them to put that photo.

Edited November 13, 2009 at 03:38 AM by autumnskies00

[I Love You]

my priest said that man cannot play God and that is what Celine and Rene are doing therefore they baby did not come to fruit. I dont know how to respond because im religious too but i love Celine but i know that my priest thinks what she is doing is wrong. im so confused, but my priest said that God knows best

 

 

I am religious as well a Christian actually,I have to say that I disagree with your priest on that. If a couple is having problems and can't have kids, I think having IVF is a fantastic idea. It gives them a chance to have kids, other wise they couldn't. Plus he doesn't now Celine's, and Rene's, situation at all like us fans do.

 

 

Also about the link it was very disrespetful of them to show that photo.

[ladylindsey]

I had to turn my google alerts off. It was just toooo much. Every few seconds another reminder.

[cdclore]

I believe it ties into the Catholic idea of not using outside means to manipulate pregnancy other than conceiving the "natural way".

[ladylindsey]

mmm Just saw that the story about Céline and Rene still trying to conceive is the #3 most read story on People.com this week.

[smw]

I'm really sorry if I'm repeating something that someone has already said as I haven't had the time to read all of the posts. It appears that some people are a bit confused as to the process of IVF (or any pregnancy for that matter) and how/when a woman is deemed to be pregnant/not pregnant. In early stages of pregnancy (whether it be IVF or not) we all know that blood/urine tests are done to give a positive/negative result. The thing is it's not as easy as you are or you are not pregnant. Blood tests are taken to measure hormone levels, if the levels are on the way up then it is assumed you are pregnant (or in Celine's case that the embryo has 'taken'). Unfortunately, as is possibly Celine's case, the blood levels of hormones initially went up before reversing and going back down (indicating that the embryo had not 'taken'). As you see from above there is not definitive you are or your not pregnant mark. The announcement of the pregnancy may have been made on the back of blood tests indicating that the levels were going up, and after the announcement was made the levels started going down.

 

 

As for their decision not to release that it hadn't taken....well that's a very personal one. I understand why some people may feel hurt, thinking that she was pregnant when she wasn't. However, my personal opinion is that Celine/Rene have always been very generous in letting fans into their personal lives. But everyone has their limit, and obviously this time they felt it was something they wanted to keep private. I respect their decision. As for their choice to keep trying at IVF...again another very personal decision. I don't feel it is my place to comment on whether or not that is the right choice, as I don't know what is right for them (only they do!). I can only wish them every success in what they choose to do. As many have pointed out, IVF is not an easy road. I wish them luck, and I hope that their dream of having another child comes true.

 

I appreciate your post.

[CelinesDIVO5]

not for nothing, but IVF is only 25% chance successful, or some kind of low rate number to that effect. Celine was VERY lucky with Rene Charles, and she's said it many times. I don't know if that had been mentioned at all in this topic, but i have no desire to read 20 pages of bickering and sneering at eachother for what their opinions are. My opinion however, is that it's nobody's business how a couple is to conceive a child. If this is what someone wants, even if it's not Celine, then so be it. The only reason people care so much and have such a strong opinion about it, is because it's a famous person going through it. If it was just some schmo, then nobody would have much of an opinion about it. So really, let's just leave Celine alone and let her go about her own business. Some of us on here are so contradictive in what we say. Some are so happy that she was pregnant, and then now that she wasn't and is going to try again, the same people that were happy are now all against her trying to do IVF. Get a grip, it's not your uterus.

[Jacqui]

my priest said that man cannot play God and that is what Celine and Rene are doing therefore they baby did not come to fruit. I dont know how to respond because im religious too but i love Celine but i know that my priest thinks what she is doing is wrong. im so confused, but my priest said that God knows best

 

Your priest (and similar people) are the reason I stopped going to Church!!

Put it this way...IVF is a medical treatment for a medical problem. Like chemotherapy for cancer...that treatment lets a person live when they would otherwise die...does that mean chemotherapy is playing God? What about heart surgery? Lung transplants?

 

Sure, God knows what's best. But God never said he was against IVF. There is no passage in the Bible that says "do not seek medical help if you have trouble conceiving." It was human men in the Catholic Church who came up with that.

 

This just makes me mad. I truly don't believe God is vindictive in a way that he would cause an unborn child to die, just because he didn't approve of the way the child was conceived. I refuse to believe that.

If you need further proof, the miscarriage rates are not much higher for IVF pregnancies than for normal pregnancies. Same deal with single Mothers...their pregnancy loss rate is no higher than married women, and God didn't "approve" of the way those babies were concieved either.

 

I hope this doesn't offend you...I am Catholic myself...I just don't like some of the funny ideas the Church has pulled out of...you can imagine where.

 

(That said- I do believe fertility treatments should be handled the right way, and embryos are living people who should be treated with respect! I don't think it's ok to just destroy them if you don't want them anymore.)

 

Oh and Blueice000- what you said actually makes a lot of sense! Thanks!

Edited November 13, 2009 at 07:10 AM by Jacqui

[tearsinheaven87]

I'm really sorry if I'm repeating something that someone has already said as I haven't had the time to read all of the posts. It appears that some people are a bit confused as to the process of IVF (or any pregnancy for that matter) and how/when a woman is deemed to be pregnant/not pregnant. In early stages of pregnancy (whether it be IVF or not) we all know that blood/urine tests are done to give a positive/negative result. The thing is it's not as easy as you are or you are not pregnant. Blood tests are taken to measure hormone levels, if the levels are on the way up then it is assumed you are pregnant (or in Celine's case that the embryo has 'taken'). Unfortunately, as is possibly Celine's case, the blood levels of hormones initially went up before reversing and going back down (indicating that the embryo had not 'taken'). As you see from above there is not definitive you are or your not pregnant mark. The announcement of the pregnancy may have been made on the back of blood tests indicating that the levels were going up, and after the announcement was made the levels started going down.

 

 

As for their decision not to release that it hadn't taken....well that's a very personal one. I understand why some people may feel hurt, thinking that she was pregnant when she wasn't. However, my personal opinion is that Celine/Rene have always been very generous in letting fans into their personal lives. But everyone has their limit, and obviously this time they felt it was something they wanted to keep private. I respect their decision. As for their choice to keep trying at IVF...again another very personal decision. I don't feel it is my place to comment on whether or not that is the right choice, as I don't know what is right for them (only they do!). I can only wish them every success in what they choose to do. As many have pointed out, IVF is not an easy road. I wish them luck, and I hope that their dream of having another child comes true.

 

I appreciate your post.

 

Here here

[pat200]

I am really sad for her. It feels like someone is telling me that my best friend just had a miscarriage! God bless them and if it is meant to be for her to have a second child, she will

[dj4celine]

It's up to Céline (as well as Rene) to make the right decisions for their family. I think we should respect those decisions, whatever they may be. This is my opinion. Everyone has the right to their opinion but I doubt you would care of someone else telling you what should and shouldn't be done within your own family unit. We have enough of this with people inserting themselves in gay families and pretending they know what's best for them ...but that's another story.

 

That being said, everyone here has the right to their opinion. I have yet to see what I call "bashing" towards Céline. It seems that whenever someone comments other than to say, "I'm sorry for your loss...." or "I'm losing sleep over this..." and/or "This is horrible!" people take it offensively. I doubt that anyone here hates, dislikes, or has ill intentions towards Céline or her family but they should have the right to speak their minds as well as long is it isn't taken too far ...which it hasn't been. I would hope that we can all remain respectful to each other and learn that not everyone will agree all the time.

Very well put. I haven't seen any "bashing" towards Celine either.

 

I agree with you, Vic.

 

Also, I simply don't understand why some people are just reacting in a very dramatic way. Different members have different opinions and to be honest, I don't see any wrong in stating their opinions. It doesn't have to be always sympathetic towards Celine. Just cos this is a Celine forum, it doesn't mean we cannot have different opinions about the present situation. Some people have to learn to disagree.

[disadiva]

OMG..I hope this isn´t true, Poor Celine and Réne & RC they are in my prayers.

 

I just hope this is an ugly gossip, false rumours...

[Claudette]

My mom brought me a magazine this afternoon with stories of woman who all went through IVF. I cried like a baby after reading those stories. You cannot believe the things those woman go through... physically and emotionally... It is really sad. After reading the article, I feel for Celine even more... She is incredibly courageous and I take my hat of to her...

 

By the way, if I understand the stories correctly, it is still considered a miscarriage if your body rejects the embryo(s) and the test is negative.

Edited November 13, 2009 at 08:31 PM by Claudette

[Duchess]

i thought there was only 1 embryo that she was going to have implanted when they were ready???? so if this is the embryo and it hasn't taken, then where are other embryos? are they harvesting more from rene?

[Belle Céline]

OMG..I hope this isn´t true, Poor Celine and Réne & RC they are in my prayers.

 

I just hope this is an ugly gossip, false rumours...

It's true. Rene confirmed it to Journal de Montreal. He said they tried IVF twice, once in August and found out a week and a half or so after they announced the second pregnancy that the embryo didn't take. The embryo transfer didn't work and when we saw Celine in NY in mid October was when they tried the second time I'm guessing and the second pregnancy test was a negative also, He said they are going to NY again this weekend to try for the third time. The article and many others quoting the same article are posted several pages back.

Edited November 13, 2009 at 09:02 PM by Belle Céline

[celinefan111]

I'm really sorry if I'm repeating something that someone has already said as I haven't had the time to read all of the posts. It appears that some people are a bit confused as to the process of IVF (or any pregnancy for that matter) and how/when a woman is deemed to be pregnant/not pregnant. In early stages of pregnancy (whether it be IVF or not) we all know that blood/urine tests are done to give a positive/negative result. The thing is it's not as easy as you are or you are not pregnant. Blood tests are taken to measure hormone levels, if the levels are on the way up then it is assumed you are pregnant (or in Celine's case that the embryo has 'taken'). Unfortunately, as is possibly Celine's case, the blood levels of hormones initially went up before reversing and going back down (indicating that the embryo had not 'taken'). As you see from above there is not definitive you are or your not pregnant mark. The announcement of the pregnancy may have been made on the back of blood tests indicating that the levels were going up, and after the announcement was made the levels started going down.

 

 

As for their decision not to release that it hadn't taken....well that's a very personal one. I understand why some people may feel hurt, thinking that she was pregnant when she wasn't. However, my personal opinion is that Celine/Rene have always been very generous in letting fans into their personal lives. But everyone has their limit, and obviously this time they felt it was something they wanted to keep private. I respect their decision. As for their choice to keep trying at IVF...again another very personal decision. I don't feel it is my place to comment on whether or not that is the right choice, as I don't know what is right for them (only they do!). I can only wish them every success in what they choose to do. As many have pointed out, IVF is not an easy road. I wish them luck, and I hope that their dream of having another child comes true.

 

I appreciate your post.

 

Here here

 

thank you for saying that i couldnt have said it better my self.

i wish all the negative stuff would pass... if people were a true celine fan you dont have any judgement on celine trying again. if people were really celine fans they wouldnt be so negative and judgemental...

in fact im surprised that the negative comments are not monitored by the owner of the celine forum.

i love celine and her family and im full surportive in trying again.celine we love you and wish you all the luck in bringing a new life in this world. if it happens that child will be very blessed by wounderful parents. if it doesnt she still has rene charles.

[Xpresso]

my priest said that man cannot play God and that is what Celine and Rene are doing therefore they baby did not come to fruit. I dont know how to respond because im religious too but i love Celine but i know that my priest thinks what she is doing is wrong. im so confused, but my priest said that God knows best

 

The Catholic Church is also against people using contraceptive pills and condoms...

So with religion, you have to take some and leave some!