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[celine4evauk]

I'm bored with this topic now - everything has been said time and time again. How about some positivity and good ideas for projects etc??   I'll just be grateful to hear that Celine's doing "something" than retiring. Cos she won't slow down - she'll just stop completely. That's Celine.

[MartinMunich]

Gonzalillo, on Apr 28 2009, 03:56 AM, said:

MartinMunich, on Apr 27 2009, 12:03 PM, said:

Here we go again.

Maybe I am not in the right place anymore because this forum is where fans should meet and share their enthusiasm about Celine - however, since this last tour I don´t belong to that group of people anymore. But I used too, and maybe she will win me over again on day, so.. why not

I think going back to Vegas is only logical - considering what she did for the past ten years.
Her tour was a huge dissapointment - lip synching is not allowed. Never ever. Maybe for Britney - not for "the voice" Celine.
This cheap karaoke-Vegas-on-the-road sucked big time imo.
Look at old Tina Turner - she is belting out the hits live night after night in a massive show...live, every single note. This why people go to live concerts.
Celine is shooting herself out of the first league big time - doing Vegas was probably a smart move financially - and I am sure it will be a smart one the second time again. Artistically - if it can get any lower anyways - she is once again taking a step further down.

I would take that into this sense: what do you prefer, having the chance to see Céline in concert in your city/country, or not seeing her at all anywhere?? (my case)

You had Céline in Germany, not only once, but for 2 or 3 concerts at least. I've had her 0 times, not only not during this world tour, but NEVER in Céline's whole career. She never came to Spain in concert. So please, you should value more the time she has spent in your country. Don't focus that much on the lipsynch thing! . If I were in your shoes, I would be more than satisfied with all the times she has come to sing to your country, no matter if she has done playback or not

well - but you do know that you have to pay for a concert, don´t you? it´s not that she is coming to a country for charity reasons - she is charging the hell a lot for a ticket. so no need to be thankfull in any way - i just want to see a good show for my money, not this fake jukebox wannabe concert.
serioulsy, i don´t want to be too bitchy and piss you guys off, I used to love her so very much, i just think she is not making the right moves lately.
you´ll hardly find anybody who cherishes an over-the-top-full-on-vocals-diva more than me - but it is not allowed - never ever - to deliver (i know you can´t hear it anymore) such a cheap outdoor show and to start and end a concert with a playback number - two of the most emotional moments in a show. how in the world can she do this? i still don´t get it - maybe you do - i don´t. that´s cheap.

[Javito]

MartinMunich, on Apr 28 2009, 07:11 PM, said:

well - but you do know that you have to pay for a concert, don´t you? it´s not that she is coming to a country for charity reasons - she is charging the hell a lot for a ticket. so no need to be thankfull in any way - i just want to see a good show for my money, not this fake jukebox wannabe concert.

Wow Excuse me? And who does concerts for free?? What superstar of the level of someone like Céline Dion does concerts for free?    And also, sorry but its not only Céline who is charging with your money, but MANY other people who is behind the stage that needs to be paid and earn his living because its his/her job (technicians, lighting, even the person who takes your ticked at the entrance).

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serioulsy, i don´t want to be too bitchy and piss you guys off, I used to love her so very much, i just think she is not making the right moves lately.
you´ll hardly find anybody who cherishes an over-the-top-full-on-vocals-diva more than me - but it is not allowed - never ever - to deliver (i know you can´t hear it anymore) such a cheap outdoor show and to start and end a concert with a playback number - two of the most emotional moments in a show. how in the world can she do this? i still don´t get it - maybe you do - i don´t. that´s cheap.

Of course there are many thins in her career that can be done much better, and lypsynching isn't nice, of course. But from that point to say "I'd better prefer Céline not to come to my country to sing lypsynched", there's a miles way to that . As I said, there are many fans who haven't had the chance to see her live in their own country still, after more than 25 years of career and 4 world tours, when many of you have had her 3, 5, dozens of times in your home Don't make me start with the differences between her US/Canadian/french dates and the rest of the countries... She has come to the same countries, and places which are an hour from distance one from the other, when she has never visited my own country for example Your've been very lucky (and many times!).

[Davey84]

MartinMunich, on Apr 28 2009, 07:11 PM, said:

well - but you do know that you have to pay for a concert, don´t you? it´s not that she is coming to a country for charity reasons - she is charging the hell a lot for a ticket. so no need to be thankfull in any way - i just want to see a good show for my money, not this fake jukebox wannabe concert.
serioulsy, i don´t want to be too bitchy and piss you guys off, I used to love her so very much, i just think she is not making the right moves lately.
you´ll hardly find anybody who cherishes an over-the-top-full-on-vocals-diva more than me - but it is not allowed - never ever - to deliver (i know you can´t hear it anymore) such a cheap outdoor show and to start and end a concert with a playback number - two of the most emotional moments in a show. how in the world can she do this? i still don´t get it - maybe you do - i don´t. that´s cheap.

Céline does not come up with the ticket prices. I think they were too high in many places, also in Paris! but you should blame the ticket companies and rené for the high price and also Madonna charges A LOT more and even LIP SYNCS even more!! and don't go all 'yeah but she can't even sing blabla...' she is a singer too, so she should sing as much live as possible aswell

but in all I agree with Gonzalillo... no one made you go to those concerts... many people would have loved to go in your place! and if you really were that 'non educated' about the lipsyncing... it was discussed to death so many times already, so if you didn't know then, you musn't have cared so if you haven't cared then, then why care now?

[Edwin]

Why bother responding to that person? They are just trying to start something and you will only go in circles.

[Davey84]

i can't help it!

[Claudette]

I wish people would just stop this lip-synching thing... It is not like she lipped the whole show. She lipped 5 songs in the English shows and 2-3 songs in the French shows. She still sang 16-20 songs live in most shows.

And I agree with some of the posts here. Just be grateful that Celine came to your country...

[Scramasboy]

MartinMunich, on Apr 28 2009, 09:11 AM, said:

Gonzalillo, on Apr 28 2009, 03:56 AM, said:

MartinMunich, on Apr 27 2009, 12:03 PM, said:

Here we go again.

Maybe I am not in the right place anymore because this forum is where fans should meet and share their enthusiasm about Celine - however, since this last tour I don´t belong to that group of people anymore. But I used too, and maybe she will win me over again on day, so.. why not

I think going back to Vegas is only logical - considering what she did for the past ten years.
Her tour was a huge dissapointment - lip synching is not allowed. Never ever. Maybe for Britney - not for "the voice" Celine.
This cheap karaoke-Vegas-on-the-road sucked big time imo.
Look at old Tina Turner - she is belting out the hits live night after night in a massive show...live, every single note. This why people go to live concerts.
Celine is shooting herself out of the first league big time - doing Vegas was probably a smart move financially - and I am sure it will be a smart one the second time again. Artistically - if it can get any lower anyways - she is once again taking a step further down.

I would take that into this sense: what do you prefer, having the chance to see Céline in concert in your city/country, or not seeing her at all anywhere?? (my case)

You had Céline in Germany, not only once, but for 2 or 3 concerts at least. I've had her 0 times, not only not during this world tour, but NEVER in Céline's whole career. She never came to Spain in concert. So please, you should value more the time she has spent in your country. Don't focus that much on the lipsynch thing! . If I were in your shoes, I would be more than satisfied with all the times she has come to sing to your country, no matter if she has done playback or not

well - but you do know that you have to pay for a concert, don´t you? it´s not that she is coming to a country for charity reasons - she is charging the hell a lot for a ticket. so no need to be thankfull in any way - i just want to see a good show for my money, not this fake jukebox wannabe concert.
serioulsy, i don´t want to be too bitchy and piss you guys off, I used to love her so very much, i just think she is not making the right moves lately.
you´ll hardly find anybody who cherishes an over-the-top-full-on-vocals-diva more than me - but it is not allowed - never ever - to deliver (i know you can´t hear it anymore) such a cheap outdoor show and to start and end a concert with a playback number - two of the most emotional moments in a show. how in the world can she do this? i still don´t get it - maybe you do - i don´t. that´s cheap.

I knew about the lypsincing all along, and I still payed for 2 tickets to see Celine and I would have payed double. It was amazing, for me, and I actually feel sorry for you. Maybe the outdoor concert wasn't as good as the indoor concerts, I'm sorry. I am sorry you are so bitter about Celine, but you have to realize, she isn't making up the prices, which all things considering we're fairly cheap in compareson to alot of other artists. Metallica charges $100+ per ticket, so does Dave Mathews Band, and they arn't at the caliber of Celine. If you really arn't a Ceine fan anymore, and if you really depise her that much you should terminate your account off of this forum and if you one day become a Celine fan again, then make another account, but there is no reason to go over and over and over again about your horrible experience, which by now, surely, we all know, just like we all know about the lipsyncing. :/ I don't like that Celine lipsyncs, but I realize that she only lips a small part of her show, and that she doesn't lip the amount that Mariah, Madonna, Brittney, Janet, etc. lips, and when Celine does sing, it sounds amazing.

[Tyler1991]

Remind me what any of this has to do with returning to Vegas?  

And yeah, lip singing sucks. But for more then 95% of the people there (probably more)....they have no idea and think it's live. At least she does live pre-recordings unlike Britney.

I didn't think it was a disappointment, the tour that is. Yeah, there a bit of lipping. Sure the token songs that are always featured were there. But they HAVE to be because that's what 95% of the people attending want to see. The biggest hits that made her career. How many people would want to listen to 12 new songs they have never heard of? And there were ALOT of new songs. 7 songs from the album, and considering that's about how many I thought were worthy of being live, that's a decent number. The album was the most represented album throughout the show. In addition, it was cool to hear some other songs such as Man's World, Got the music in me, Queen Medley and others.

[xxmatthewxx]

I think in the end it comes down to the fact that Celine can actually sing her stuff if she really wanted to and it's Celine we are talking about so you know it would be excellent live.

I don't mind the lipping so much, I think in this day and age it's just something we need to get used to as productions become bigger and other bits and pieces are going on during the songs and so much more seems to be expected from each artist, more shows, more songs etc.

One thing i don't really agree with is when she does a television performance where it is only one song and that is lipped. I think a bit more effort could be made there.

Now getting back to Vegas I expect the usual songs will be in the set as anyone who isn't the hugest Celine fan would want to hear the songs they know not unreleased album songs so expect the lipped performances to be back hopefully with an updated sound or something different.

Edited by xxmatthewxx, 29 April 2009 - 11:05 PM.

[CSCfan]

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Elton, Celine Leave Vegas, Ticket Prices Slashed for Cher and Midler

Big-name performers, once a goldmine, are losing their luster -- and ticket sales



By Phil Gallo

"Goodbye Yellow Brick Road" could be a theme for the Las Vegas strip for years to come, although Elton John will no longer be singing it.

What was seen as a path paved in gold -- the pop star with decades of hits performing 50-plus shows per year -- is starting to crap out at the casinos.

Downscaling in ticket prices, expectations and the number of shows booked is emerging as a new model for 2009.

Elton packed up his red piano and bolted last week after delivering 241 performances over the course of five years at the Coliseum inside Caesars Palace, grossing more than $125 million and filling the hall to better than 95 percent capacity each night he headlined.

His total was dwarfed only by Celine Dion, the woman who made Vegas believe in the pop star residency concept. Dion, consistently among the top five concert attractions during her four years and eight months at the Colosseum, grossed $400 million in ticket sales from 717 concerts, according to Billboard Boxscore.

The economic downturn, not to mention the lack of acts with staying power of Cher or Bette Midler, who now hold down the fort at the Colosseum, indicate a limited future for the residency concept when it comes to concerts.

Other new hurdles include a dwindling audience and a lack of cash in their pockets. But the downturn is noteworthy: During a four-day run at the end of March, Midler played to just 78 percent capacity, selling fewer than 15,000 seats.

Vegas has a significant question on the table: How much do the economics need to be revamped to make the residency model work?

When Dion called it quits -- she promptly went on an international tour and grossed more than $90 million -- AEG executives were looking to keep the Colosseum going with residencies and use the renovated Joint at the Hard Rock for one-nighters.

That plan has changed at the Hard Rock, with Carlos Santana coming on board to play 36 shows per year this year and next. It will be the first test of a rock ‘n' roll residency in Las Vegas. Age-wise, the demographic is the same as those acts that have played the Colosseum, but the Santana booking is based on an act that is music-driven rather than theatrically driven.

Santana's first run of 12 shows starts May 27 and runs through June 14. After a tour of Europe, he returns for another eight in Las Vegas between Aug. 26 and Sept. 6. Tickets went on sale April 1 for the 2,900-seat venue, and as of Friday none of the shows had sold out.

"We're hoping the first and second run create buzz and by the third run we're doing well," said Kevin Chisholm, who has handled various management responsibilities for Santana over the last 20 years.

Santana, who tours off and on between March and September annually, would ordinarily perform at a venue four or five times larger than the Joint, as would any of the performers who play the Colosseum.

Santana's office received AEG's offer in October as the recession was clearly having an impact on both Las Vegas and the number of concert tickets sold in general.

Due to the comparatively small size of the Joint and the ability to keep prices in line with other Vegas shows, Santana's management felt there was minimal risk in the deal.

And Santana was not the sort of name one would would hear referenced when the residency concept was broached by managers or booking agents: Rod Stewart, Phil Collins and Diana Ross, certainly, with a pipe dream of Michael Jackson and Britney Spears.

That's where the new economics of Las Vegas come in. Promoter AEG, the world’s second largest concert promoter and the one booking all shows at the Joint and the Colosseum, is looking at a significantly lower scale with any shows at the Hard Rock.

The orchestra of about 1,000 seats are scaled in price at $299 and $151 with $225 VIP seats at tables on the sides. The first balcony is priced at $125 with the back balcony at $85. A $75 ticket puts a patron in a side balcony on the third level. Suites and VIP tables account for several hundred other tickets.

Besides the fans who adore Santana's classics, the Hard Rock is banking on high-rollers joining the party as well: Seats at boxes and tables are being offered for $800 and $1,000 on Ticketmaster's main website.

It's likely that sell-outs for Santana will gross around $350,000; Cher and Midler sell-outs, in a venue with about 1,200 more seats, were pulling in nearly double that amount when they started last year.

But even they won't do that level of business anymore. Prices for Cher and Midler tickets have been cut by 9 percent across the board. For Midler's 60 shows between May 27 and Nov. 15, a new bottom rung of $45.45 has been added and upgrade programs -- pay $95 for a $140 seat, for example -- were instituted for locals and users of Travelzoo.com. At year’s end, that could have a dramatic effect on the total gross.

Up the street at the Las Vegas Hilton the opposite is true. Barry Manilow, who had the highest average ticket price ($154) of any performer in the U.S. a couple of years ago, has increased ticket prices since he started in February 2005. When he opened, the best seats in the house were $145; those tickets now go for $247 and $192.

While price-cutting has become increasingly common in the concert business, it has not occurred often in Vegas. One manager interviewed for this story said a year ago it was still a city to get top dollar, but booking agents are now finding it requires negotiating.

“No city in America has been harder hit than Las Vegas in the last six months,” the manager said, in terms of concert promoters exercising caution.

AEG and their hotel partners have responded by making their offerings more attractive. Anyone who wants to see Santana west of the Mississippi River in North America over the next 19 months has to travel to Vegas.

It is highly likely that AEG decided on that proviso after seeing the effect John's touring potentially had on sales of his “Red Piano” shows.

In early February, he did 10 of his Vegas shows, selling 95 percent of the tickets. Two years earlier in February, he had a run of 12 shows that all sold out.

The difference -- and it could just as well owe to the economic downturn -- was that this year John was performing with Billy Joel in key Western markets such as Southern California and Phoenix a month later. While on paper the difference between 95 percent capacity and sold out seems minimal, the “Red Piano” promoter has no chance to see any profit until at least 85 percent of the tickets are sold; that final 5 percent is a significant chunk of the profit center for the casino and the promoter.

The further out from the visit, Vegas experts agree, the more likely visitors are to book tickets at shows and restaurants. But if  the visitors don’t support the high-end shows, the prediction John made in jest onstage during his final “Red Piano” show just might come true:

“Who are you going to get to fill in our shoes now? You've got Bette Midler, you've got Cher. It's gonna be the Village People next.”

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Las Vegas' Big Paydays

A look at some of the marque names -- past and present -- who broke the bank



CELINE DION (Closed)
Show: A New Day
Venue: The Colosseum at Caesars Palace
Contract length: March '03 to December '07
She banked: Over $100 million for more than 700 shows  



ELTON JOHN (Closed)
Show: The Red Piano
Venue: The Colosseum at Caesars Palace
Contract length: February '04 to April '09
He banked: $96 million for 241 shows  



BARRY MANILOW
Show: Manilow: Music and Passion; Manilow: The Hits
Venue: Las Vegas Hilton
Contract length: February '05 to Present
He banked: $60 million for 120 shows; $60 million for another 200 shows  



BETTE MIDLER
Show: Bette Midler: The Showgirl Must Go On
Venue: The Colosseum at Caesars Palace
Contract length: February '08 to April '10
She banked: $120 million for 200 shows  



CHER
Show: Cher at Ceasears Palace
Venue: The Colosseum at Caesars Palace
Contract length: May '08 to December '10
She banked: $60 million for 200 shows

[autumnskies00]

Wait, are those numbers right?? That has Bette making more than Celine's AND. Anyway, lipping or not, I'll be there. Hell, I don't regret spending any amount of money on her concert tickets, hearing My Love live...and meeting so many people was worth any amount to me, so I'll do it again for LV if she returns.

[popstar60]

For me, Vegas was one a the biggest mistakes of Celine's career. I remember when Celine came back to business in 2002. It was certainly one of the most important event of the year and A new day has come became a worldwide success. But it could have been even bigger if Vegas didn't stop the promotion of the album.

I live in France, and I know that a lot of people here think that Celine has become superficial and cares only about money, money, money, because of vegas. I'm sure Celine lost a lot of her popularity since 2003, and coming back to Vegas in 2010 would be for sure the end of her worldwide career!

But if it can help her to have a stable life with her family, what can we say?

[Javito]

popstar60, on Apr 30 2009, 11:13 AM, said:

For me, Vegas was one a the biggest mistakes of Celine's career. I remember when Celine came back to business in 2002. It was certainly one of the most important event of the year and A new day has come became a worldwide success. But it could have been even bigger if Vegas didn't stop the promotion of the album.

I live in France, and I know that a lot of people here think that Celine has become superficial and cares only about money, money, money, because of vegas. I'm sure Celine lost a lot of her popularity since 2003, and coming back to Vegas in 2010 would be for sure the end of her worldwide career!

But if it can help her to have a stable life with her family, what can we say?

Amen to that   

Sadly, Vegas stopped the promotion of every album Céline released since 2002, that's the whole truth And I agree that coming back there again will be the end of her international career

[CSCfan]

Gonzalillo, on Apr 30 2009, 11:18 AM, said:

Sadly, Vegas stopped the promotion of every album Céline released since 2002, that's the whole truth

Have you ever considered that they (Sony) didn't want to do more promo for those albums??
If Sony was hell bent on promoting at least one of these albums even more, they would have postponed the release or make her do even more promo. All the albums she released between 2003-2007 (with the exception of TC) were minor ones and thus needed to have a big budget.

[Javito]

CSCfan, on Apr 30 2009, 12:01 PM, said:

Gonzalillo, on Apr 30 2009, 11:18 AM, said:

Sadly, Vegas stopped the promotion of every album Céline released since 2002, that's the whole truth

Have you ever considered that they (Sony) didn't want to do more promo for those albums??
If Sony was hell bent on promoting at least one of these albums even more, they would have postponed the release or make her do even more promo. All the albums she released between 2003-2007 (with the exception of TC) were minor ones and thus needed to have a big budget.

Of course, so that's why I can't understand why René/Céline don't care about the poor promo that Sony has done for her since 2003. Every album flopped at the second single and they stopped the promo without any other effort. That don't require Céline to do crazy promotion on every country of this planet, but a little more consideration of her recording company towards her work, something that she hadn't had for the past 7 years

[Claudette]

I'm starting to wonder if I'm at the right place... Everywhere on this Forum there is negativity. Every dam topic turns into a lipping and  promotion discussion.    Can we please talk about something else? How about some positive comments for a change!

By the way, does that numbers mean that the other performers' shows cost more than Celine's shows?

Edited by Claudette, 30 April 2009 - 04:55 AM.

[JuanPe]

Gonzalillo, on Apr 30 2009, 11:18 AM, said:

popstar60, on Apr 30 2009, 11:13 AM, said:

For me, Vegas was one a the biggest mistakes of Celine's career. I remember when Celine came back to business in 2002. It was certainly one of the most important event of the year and A new day has come became a worldwide success. But it could have been even bigger if Vegas didn't stop the promotion of the album.

I live in France, and I know that a lot of people here think that Celine has become superficial and cares only about money, money, money, because of vegas. I'm sure Celine lost a lot of her popularity since 2003, and coming back to Vegas in 2010 would be for sure the end of her worldwide career!

But if it can help her to have a stable life with her family, what can we say?

Amen to that   

Sadly, Vegas stopped the promotion of every album Céline released since 2002, that's the whole truth And I agree that coming back there again will be the end of her international career

+ 1!

[Prince Whiskers]

Those numbers don't sound.... right. Celine got 100M for the initial 600 shows and then received an undisclosed amt. for the additional 100 dates. She was also entitled to 50% of the ticket sales (AND grossed about 400M) .

She definitely earned more than 300M.

[Snowhite]

Claudette, on Apr 30 2009, 01:52 PM, said:

I'm starting to wonder if I'm at the right place... Everywhere on this Forum there is negativity. Every dam topic turns into a lipping and  promotion discussion.    Can we please talk about something else? How about some positive comments for a change!

By the way, does that numbers mean that the other performers' shows cost more than Celine's shows?

Definitelly agree with you.But promotion etc is a part of show business...Sometimes we have to discuss about it.Critic is always important

[Claudette]

Snowhite, on Apr 30 2009, 01:44 PM, said:

Claudette, on Apr 30 2009, 01:52 PM, said:

I'm starting to wonder if I'm at the right place... Everywhere on this Forum there is negativity. Every dam topic turns into a lipping and  promotion discussion.    Can we please talk about something else? How about some positive comments for a change!

By the way, does that numbers mean that the other performers' shows cost more than Celine's shows?

Definitelly agree with you.But promotion etc is a part of show business...Sometimes we have to discuss about it.Critic is always important

I don't mind talking about it... but I don't want to talk about it in every topic...

[celinesafan]

Tyler1991, on Apr 29 2009, 11:37 PM, said:

How many people would want to listen to 12 new songs they have never heard of?

True that ...

[celinesafan]

Most people go to Celine's shows to hear her amazing voice and not really for the performance part of it, so naturally people will be dissapointed to find out that she was lipping some songs.  To be honest, she is so good, sometimes it's hard to tell whether it's live or lipping ...

[idroveallnight]

Most people who went to Celine's show in Vegas were not fans so they couldn't tell the difference.  But in all honesty, those people, and I don't care how much they pay, don't deserve to hear Celine live.  Most of the audience was full of prudes who didn't want to be bothered, fell asleep in their chairs, left the show in between songs, and refused to clap along or stand up and dance, and would gnarl at us fans when we did.  I guess as the years progressed and it became a 9-5 job (and the audiences became more lame), Celine may have lost interest and decided to use the playback more and more.  It's never been an issue for me though.  When I go to see Celine, I'm usually blind-sighted by the fact that she's right in front of me, and it makes all that other stuff that the fans complain about just so insignificant.  I'm not there to critique her singing.  I'm there because I want to see Celine, even if she's just standing on stage clapping her hands.  God knows she's paid her dues and sang those songs hundreds of times live.  Everyone knows she can sing...otherwise she would not have a career.  When people go to see Britney and Madonna, they're focused on the sex symbol and raunchiness.  When people go to see Celine, they're focused on the voice and the voice alone.  But I'd rather see her using playback than wasting her voice on such pathetic audiences.  Yes, it's unfortunate for the fans who want to hear those songs performed live, but come on, she doesn't have the same voice as she did 10-20 years ago.  Using the playback perfects the show and gives us the chance to hear many more live songs.  Don't act like she doesn't deliver.  She puts on a hell of a show every night and makes us all leave feeling goosebumps and wanting more.  That's why we we don't mind flying from every corner of the world to see her in Vegas.  It's kind of become like a pilgrimage for every Celine fan.

[celinesafan]

idroveallnight, on Apr 30 2009, 10:12 AM, said:

Yes, it's unfortunate for the fans who want to hear those songs performed live, but come on, she doesn't have the same voice as she did 10-20 years ago.

I actually think she sounds allot better now to be honest ...

[Claudette]

celinesafan, on Apr 30 2009, 05:32 PM, said:

idroveallnight, on Apr 30 2009, 10:12 AM, said:

Yes, it's unfortunate for the fans who want to hear those songs performed live, but come on, she doesn't have the same voice as she did 10-20 years ago.

I actually think she sounds allot better now to be honest ...

I just wanted to write the same thing but you beat me to it. I agree! Celine sounds so much better today than she sounded 10-20 years ago... I'm pretty sure she is still able to sing her songs of 20 years ago just as good... ABM sounded pretty awesome during the tour. Even RDMH sounded better than it sounded years ago.

[Timster]

Claudette, on Apr 28 2009, 10:15 PM, said:

I wish people would just stop this lip-synching thing... It is not like she lipped the whole show. She lipped 5 songs in the English shows and 2-3 songs in the French shows. She still sang 16-20 songs live in most shows.

I know this question will annoy people, but I just want to check something:

I know that in English shows Celine lips IDAN, TPOL, IACBTMN, TLYM, EOM & MHWGO, but when you say 2-3 songs in French shows do you you just mean IDAN, EOM and MHWGO? I didn't think she lipped any French songs...

Thanks

[nuts2you]

to IDROVEALLNIGHT.I kind of agree with you, I just want to see her live, I don"t care either way, just to see her live just gives my gossebumps. I can"t wait either starting to save now.

[Saheel Shah]

I Think it would be great if she went back las vegas
cuz i never got to see her during a new day
but i think she will definetly be in the ceasers palace colluseum
she probably will have a show similar to a new day but less extravagant yet some how she will always make it the best show  

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[Claudette]

ShuttleDiscovery, on Apr 30 2009, 06:18 PM, said:

Claudette, on Apr 28 2009, 10:15 PM, said:

I wish people would just stop this lip-synching thing... It is not like she lipped the whole show. She lipped 5 songs in the English shows and 2-3 songs in the French shows. She still sang 16-20 songs live in most shows.

I know this question will annoy people, but I just want to check something:

I know that in English shows Celine lips IDAN, TPOL, IACBTMN, TLYM, EOM & MHWGO, but when you say 2-3 songs in French shows do you you just mean IDAN, EOM and MHWGO? I didn't think she lipped any French songs...

Thanks

I meant IDAN, TPOL and MHWGO. I'm not sure about EOM... But I guess then technically it was 5,5 in the English shows and 3,5 in the French shows... I was also not sure if she sang EOM and the TPOL in all the French shows, so I was just trying to get some kind of average... She didn't lip any French songs... And if I remember correctly she didn't sing IACBTM and TLYM in the French shows.