The gay issues thread

[nano]

I agree with you Monica Everyone has a right to be happy..

[changepas39]

Well...I am gay....lol....and every one seems to like me...so i must be nice....

[Célinefull]

And as for the biblical defense, having read the bible myself and being interested in historical information, I have come to the personal conclusion that condemming (or supposed condemnation) of homosexuality was to continue the line of the Jewish people, wherein all people were obliged to reproduce, the same way that they married their sisters and cousins, so that they could continue the small Jewish bloodline.

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how did you come to that conclusion?

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A lot of research for a class in school that I was doing, if you think about it, you can see the clear links in history where something that started off as a guideline or a suggestion, over time becomes enshrined and becomes a strict rule or a law, the problem is that Religion has not had enough revolution and questioning (like systems of government) that it has not progressed and new ideas are not being aloud to be expressed.

[Ethan]

Love has no rules!

 

/ Ethan

[1Celine12]

There is a part of the bible that says that homosexuality is wrong. I don't know which part, but I can find out if anybody wants me to.

[1Celine12]

Here is what the bible says about homosexuality:

 

Answer

It doesn't really matter what I think. What matters are the inspired words written on that subject in both the Old and New Testaments. Let me quote a few of them, and then you can draw your own conclusions:

 

LEVITICUS 18:22

Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

 

LEVITICUS 20:13

If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable.

 

JUDGES 19:22-23

While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, "Bring out the man who came to your house so we [benjamites living in Gibeah] can have sex with him." The owner of the house went outside and said to them, "No, my friends, don't be so vile."

 

1 KINGS 14:24

There were even male shrine prostitutes in the land [Rehoboam was king at the time]; the people engaged in all the detestable practices of the nations the Lord had driven out before the Israelites.

 

1 KINGS 15:12

He [King Asa] expelled the male shrine prostitutes from the land [Judah] and got rid of all the idols his fathers had made.

 

1 KINGS 22:46

He [King Jehosophat] rid the land [Judah] of the rest of the male shrine prostitutes who remained there even after the reign of his father Asa.

 

2 KINGS 23:7

He [King Josiah] also tore down the quarters of the male shrine prostitutes, which were in the temple of the Lord and where women did weaving for Asherah.

 

1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

 

1 TIMOTHY 1:9-11

We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers -- and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

 

JUDE 1:7

In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

 

This was taken off a website called http://www.family.org if anyone needs to refer to this site for anything.

Edited February 6, 2006 at 01:08 AM by 1Celine12

[Celine's Wife]

How can we take things from the bible that seriously? Mankind has gone through some MAJOR changes since that was written, sure those guideline worked thousands of years ago, but ahem, WELCOME TO THE YEAR 2006 PEOPLE

[1Celine12]

I believe the bible to be true to a point, and I also think all of those quotes are true.

[Bellamy]

please don't turn this topic into a religion fight, or we have to close it. maybe we should close it now anyway.

[Mozinha]

I'm religious too, I've read the Bible and I have nothing against gay people.

Is there a quote where God Himself says: I hate gay people? NO.

 

I don't want to take this into a religious fight but I believe God sent us a message of love, not hate. And this message came for everyone: black of white, woman or man, gay or straight.

 

So, as I've said before, I believe everyone has the right to love whoever they want. And there is no one else's business!

[Célinefull]

please don't turn this topic into a religion fight, or we have to close it. maybe we should close it now anyway.

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This is the gay issues thread, and that is the biggest one of all is it not? And who said we were fighting>?

 

@The bible quotes: Blah, blah blah, I have seen that all before, in fact it's been put before me with many a triumphant smile on the face of the presenter.

 

Again, as I said, the parts of the old testemant are about the fact that it was seen as a persons duty to reproduce, carry on the Jewish line, so not being in a relationship was seen as detestable because it was like betraying your people.

 

As for the male prostitute bit, that sounds really weird and I can't see there being anything about homosexuality there, just male prostitutes.

 

BLAH! Let's move on from the Religion thing, I don't wanna be brought down by this thread, let's keep it a happy place

 

 

Okay edite: your website: http://www.family.org/married/topics/a0025114.cfm made me feel ill, just thought I would put that in, really is a bunch of tripe.

 

 

http://www.family.org/fofmag/pp/a0024031.cfm

 

Okay, hang on, WHAT?? Homosexuality is 'caused' by a CHEMICAL INBALANCE?? This website is hateful and disgusting...

Edited February 8, 2006 at 11:15 AM by Célinefull

[Celine's Wife]

Some people just need to make excuses to justify the fact that they think it's wrong. They will find anything they can to try to propve that they're right, in the end the whole dispute is a whole bunch of BS. Everyone is free to do as they like and those that think it's wrong need to open up their minds and shut their mouths!

[kevincheung410]

i'm not the man u wanted me to be.i'm the man that i want to be.i'm the only man that i can be.

[Célinefull]

Also, didn't the bible used to say that black people were evil? But now we've realised it actually doesn't?

[Celine's Wife]

I find it pathetic that people use the bible to justify they're hatred for something, people need to just learn to accept and stop all the judging, it gets us nowhere in life. Humans are evolving, and people need to learn to go with the flow.

[Célinefull]

I agree...especially because homosexuality has been around for centuaries!

[Celine's Wife]

And it's just now that people are starting to be more open about it. I think that same sex couples deserve all the rights as other couples, marriage and all that, but there are homophobes like Bush who need head checks

[Célinefull]

lmao..I know! They are everywhere!

[GoldenLeaf]

lmao..I know! They are everywhere!

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yeah, and the homophobe peoples are so stupid

[Celine's Wife]

Homophobes piss me off

[Krys]

it pisses me off too

[Célinefull]

Homophobes piss me off

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Let's get them togetha!!

[Celine's Wife]

We'll lock them in a room and torture them by watching same sex couples making out!

[felixwhoals]

Guess what? I have met a gay friend though. In fact I didn't he was guy until he said that but I think this isn't the issue here. I think my friend seem to be so nice with everyone though. Since he's so friendly, I don't see why we can't mix with gay people. Sometimes I think gay people have different thoughts as well.

[Célinefull]

We'll lock them in a room and torture them by watching same sex couples making out!

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Okay...B.Y.O same sex partner..

[Celine's Wife]

We'll lock them in a room and torture them by watching same sex couples making out!

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Okay...B.Y.O same sex partner..

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*Grabs Celine*

[Célinefull]

+Grabs Seb+

[Celine's Wife]

[Lawna]

I personally have a few good friends that I love dearly, who happen to be gay. I was raised in a conservative home, but I was never taught to hate someone who is different. I have no problem with gay ppl and of course there are some I can't stand, but not because they are gay, but because they are friggen drama queens lol. But just with any gay or straight person, there are always gonna be ppl u don't get along with. As far as what I believe about the gay issue, it's not important to you because it's what I believe and it's not what you believe. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I don't look at my friends and think "Oh Diana's lesbian so I can't mention this or that in front of her" Actually I always forget that she is lesbian until she starts telling me about her fantasies with other woman lmao. Which I then politley say "Diana, c'mon now, you know I don't wanna here that lmao" and we just laugh about it.

 

ok...I might have one problem with gay guys though... Sometimes I tend to like them with out knowing they are gay...and when I find out, then I wish they were straight so I could date them

[Clari]

ok...I might have one problem with gay guys though... Sometimes I tend to like them with out knowing they are gay...and when I find out, then I wish they were straight so I could date them

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I hear ya.