The gay issues thread

[Ana_and_Mario]

Well I am straight but i know some gay people and I am absolutely ok with that. There's no difference between gay and straight people, in my opinion. We are all humans, and ofcourse, the most important thing if someone is a good person. I think gays should have definitely more rights in this world, 'cause they are people, and they deserve much more respect. I respect them very much and i think there's no need to separate people that way

 

Mario

[Celine's Wife]

I go to a acting conservatory in Hollywood, and many of the guys are gay here.  In fact I myself am a bi-sexual... I think only a few of you knew that.. LOL  Anyways when I came out and told the peeps in my class it was like they were excited when I said that LOL which is a TOTALLY different response than what you usually get LOL.  I find nothing wrong with it, they are just your every day peeps.   I used to go to a high school where it was a small place in da country and the people were very against it there and I honestly could never understand why.  But ya know it is WAY more okay than it used to be, so there has already been progress.  And yeah, I have talked to many gay or bi Celine fans too, they are no different than talking to straight ones.  I think this world just needs a few more oprn minds.... 

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Your Bi Cathy! Never would of guessed that. No way, I mean the way you dreamed about Celine, no never would of thought. LOL Im glad you feel confortable to come out. When did you? Cause it sounds like this is a recent thing.

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Yeah, I guess it is a pretty recent thing, only about a few months ago and a few selected other people knew earlier than that... like everyone at the spam forum... LMFAO

[BJS]

I don't have a problem with people being gay, after all it's their freedom to be with whomever they feel attracted to. By the way, there are quite a few gay Celine fans (in Barbra's case you'd wonder who's not ) and we get along very well. I don't know whether I have friends who are gay. We've never talked about that aspect of our lives but so far it seems like everyone's 'straight' (Not sure where this usage derives from but it does sound weird). However, I do find the idea of gay marriage a bit odd. Imagine what influence it might have on children if gay marriage was publicly practised? If the majority of our generation approved of same-sex marriage, would the next generation of kids be taught about how to perform safe gay sex in their sex ed classes? Would they understand or even be reminded of what it takes to be a husband or a wife? As far as I know, a lot of teenagers (especially young boys) develop curiosity about homosexuality at some point in their adolecent years (I myself had such feelings too when I was younger ), however, only a small portion of them go on to become genuine homosexuals in adulthood. I think that legalization of gay marriage would send a confusing message to young adults on the issue of gender roles or even encourage them to experiment with/indulge in their (shall we say) homoerotic fantasies, which may lead to irreversible consequences.

 

Maybe my concerns are absolutely unnecessary. And although I know what I've said above may disturb some readers, I'm not afraid or embarrassed to voice my opinions as I believe that diverse views should and will be respected on this forum

[.ItOnlyHurtsWhenIBreathe.]

Aw, I was hoping that someone would say something rude and ignorant so I could steer them in the right direction lol Anyway, I am all for gay rights. It's terrible how they're being deprived of their deserved american rights just because of their sexual orientation. I'm suppose to be working for this gay rights union sometime soon actually. I'm straight but you don't have to be a homosexual to understand equality. I think i'm getting a little out of hand here,sorry. This certainly is my favorite topic Oh yes, I have many gay friends...I love them

[Obst]

I think that legalization of gay marriage would send a confusing message to young adults.

 

Maybe my concerns are absolutely unnecessary. And although I know what I've said above may disturb some readers, I'm not afraid or embarrassed to voice my opinions as I believe that diverse views should and will be respected on this forum

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Hi there,

 

Your opinion is and will be respected in this thread,don't worry about it.

 

About the things takes from your opic I would like to know some more from you please if that's possible:

-first of all if gay should have the freedom to choose their sexual orientation why shouldn't theu have the same freedom with other things like mariage.Trust me but not so many couples will take children in custody and if they would they would take them from orfelinate(which I find it pretty good).

-second thing about your point of view,honest I find it very interesting and complex because you brought also some arguments along with your afirmations,thing that I apreciate very much.

 

I would like to put you a question no if possible:what if your boyfriend after 2 years of relationship would tell you that he is bisexuals and when he was young he had an adventure with a boy?

 

Peace into your soul

[Obst]

Aw, I was hoping that someone would say something rude and ignorant so I could steer them in the right direction lol Anyway, I am all for gay rights. It's terrible how they're being deprived of their deserved american rights just because of their sexual orientation. I'm suppose to be working for this gay rights union sometime soon actually. I'm straight but you don't have to be a homosexual to understand equality. I think i'm getting a little out of hand here,sorry. This certainly is my favorite topic  Oh yes, I have many gay friends...I love them 

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Hi there,

 

Is good to hear that so many people,no metter sexual orientation are pro gay rights.

 

I am not gay also and I am still trying to understand better what is the deal with this equality and freedom because now I find out that they are nor one and the same,futher more the lack of one of them means too much from the other one.

 

None is rood and ignorant here,everyone is saying only their point of view,our bussines is to respect this opinions and if we don't agree we bring arguments to prove that we are right and he is wrong.

 

Maybe you are talking about our user who said about some of us coming from apes but you have to undersatnd that not every one is a Bush fan and it normal I think to hear their disaproval with words,let's say unprofesional.

 

Peace my friend

[Obst]

For those who belived in the power of peace and love ...

 

All I want is a peacefull Earth and harmony and all the wors to solve them in a diplomatic way.

 

And about gau issue,be tolerant please and you will never be tempted to judge again,not even your friend who stole your boyfriend.

 

Peace

[Ana_and_Mario]

I have nothing against people who are that. I am straight but i think everyone has choice and that's the order from God, right?

I dunno why should people separate these people from other people! We are all people and we talk, think, have fun, and that's great.

Btw, i have gay friends, and I must tell you, in much cases they are better and more loyal friends then other straight people, believe me!

[Obst]

I have nothing against people who are that. I am straight but i think everyone has choice and that's the order from God, right?

I dunno why should people separate these people from other people! We are all people and we talk, think, have fun, and that's great.

Btw, i have gay friends, and I must tell you, in much cases they are better and more loyal friends then other straight people, believe me!

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Hi,

 

Dear Ennen,noone separates gays from heteros.When a gay is choising to integrate himself into a non hetero group then is a different type of story.

 

About God,I wouldn't involve him into this because He is blassing only straight couples not gay ones,and the possition of church in thisd is revealing:against gays!!Eventough there so many gay prests or bishops in the whole world.

 

About your statement that we are all people nobody till now demonstrated that gays are animals and hetero are humans,of course we are all people! <_<

 

But in rest everything you said is ok.I am glad to hear that you have gay friends yhey can be sometimes real cool

 

Peace mate

[Obst]

'Not just a gay issue'

 

As a middle-aged real estate agent who loves to garden and sail, Christie McGue is the antithesis of an activist.

 

But on election day Nov. 2, the married heterosexual found herself standing outside the Grand Traverse County Civic Center urging passing motorists to vote "No" on Proposal 2, the amendment to the Michigan Constitution which bans same-sex marriage.

 

Galvanized by what she calls gay discrimination, McGue is among the growing ranks of heterosexual allies to lesbian, gay and bisexual (LGB) people. No longer content to support their LGB friends and neighbors from the sidelines, allies are working as advocates to end what they view as their oppression.

 

"I have lots of very good friends who happen to be gay or lesbian and it hurts my heart to see what is happening," said McGue, 55. "It seem so unfair."

 

McGue's conversion from friend to ally took place in 2000, when she moved to Traverse City from Washington, D.C. There, a large gay population is widely accepted, she said. So she was shocked to learn that Traverse City was considering an amendment to the city charter that would bar homosexuals or bisexuals from receiving protection from discrimination.

 

Although the proposal was soundly defeated, McGue joined the city's Human Rights Commission. She has worked as an ally to minorities ever since.

 

"I'm not in the forefront, I'm not one of those people out there leading the cause," she insisted. "I'm just trying to support it when it comes up."

 

Although minority groups have always had their allies, the term "heterosexual ally" may have gotten a boost on college campuses, where ally programs with names like Safe Zone, Safe Space, Safe Harbor and Safe on Campus were established in the early 1990s to provide support to LGB students.

 

Melissa Bullard became an ally as a graduate student and resident adviser at Kalamazoo College, where she was exposed to people who were gay for the first time. After joining the Safe on Campus program, she wore a button and displayed a sign on her door identifying herself as an ally.

 

"I think that it showed my colleagues and students that I was an OK person to talk to and come out to," said Bullard, 30, who also volunteered as a speaker-panelist at programs where LGB people came out.

 

Now a therapist with her own practice in Traverse City, Bullard specializes in LGB issues. She has provided training for master's students on how to be an affirmative therapist for LGB people and completed her doctoral dissertation on heterosexual allies from the LGB perspective.

 

Heterosexual allies can be extremely influential in opening doors to the gay community, Bullard said. But first they have to turn their own attitudes into action.

 

"There's a big difference between attitudes and action," she said. "(LGB people) want action. They want people to be willing to speak up for them. That's a step beyond attitudes. And how can change occur if you keep your attitudes to yourself?"

 

Meg Littin considers herself more of a "sympathizer" than an activist. Still, she felt compelled to apologize to her gay and lesbian friends and neighbors after Proposal 2 passed. She even wrote an open letter which she has yet to mail.

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Some of it was writing to the gay and lesbian community and apologizing to them and some of it was writing to my own community and saying, 'How dare you?'¡" said Littin, 50, a Social Security office worker.

 

As the daughter of dysfunctional parents who she says weren't supportive of girls, Littin finds it easy to identify with minorities - not just racial, but smaller "subgroups" that are also underprivileged and slighted.

 

"Because I've had to struggle myself as a human being, you identify with others who struggle for unjust reasons, for things that are beyond their control," she said.

 

Being an ally can be as simple as using language that doesn't exclude gay and lesbian people or not laughing at jokes that put them down, Bullard said. But for many heterosexual people, becoming an ally is a developmental process.

 

"For people who are new to being an ally, it can be difficult to wear a button because they fear they may be labeled LGB," she said. "But speaking out for gay people doesn't mean you're gay."

 

Other allies have been the target of hatred by heterosexuals who disagree with their views. While handing out literature on election day, McGue said she became increasingly uncomfortable by the hostile stares directed her way.

 

"I have to tell you the look that I got from some people and the little glares, it was creepy," McGue said. "I was telling a friend, I felt for the first time maybe 10 percent of what it might feel like to be on the other side, to be gay and have somebody judge me.

 

"I imagine it must be that way for a lot of people for any issue they stand up to."

 

Despite the risks, more heterosexual students are involved in the student organization SPECTRUM than ever before, said Lisa Blackford, diversity services coordinator at Northwestern Michigan College. A recent Halloween party sponsored by the group, which supports lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered individuals, attracted more heterosexuals than any other group.

 

"Given the political climate lately, most people are becoming more aware of the issues LGBT individuals are facing," Blackford said.

 

While SPECTRUM works to provide a safe, social and community-action oriented environment for gay, lesbian and bisexual people on campus, Blackford said many of the issues its members face resonate with other students.

 

"Anytime anyone's rights are involved, it's not just a gay issue," she said.

 

As the Midwest regional staff director for the Sierra Club, an environmental justice organization, Alison Horton is drawn to the kinds of fights that deal with fairness and equity. But as a lesbian woman she's happy to have heterosexual allies like those who attend her church, the Unitarian Universalist Congregation in Traverse City.

 

"I think it's essential, no matter what issue one is working on, to have a broad and diverse spectrum of people to work on it," Horton said. "Everyone has a different perspective, so it's critical to have allies from the straight community, the faith community, the business community. And certainly that kind of solidarity is vital to our success in being able to communicate with the broader public on an issue like this."

 

McGue is confident sexual orientation will be a non-issue in 10 years. Until then, she said, "I'll just continue to protect my friends and to let them know they're loved and cared for."

 

Klaus

[MistaDorn]

it's ok 4 me, i'm straight. so 95% are gay for celine fan and 5 % straight for celinefan?

[Obst]

What do you mean by that mistadorn?

[celinefanonline]

I'm ok with them cause i am one of them...

 

MistaDorn you can't say that i think

well if u have done a survey then it's ok

 

not like every male Celine fan r gay ....... or like 95% cause i think some straight would be angry with it

[Obst]

And I bet you two guys would have a lot to talk in private but not here please...

 

And I would say that he is not true and many would agree

[1Celine12]

If everybody doesn't know this, sir Elton John and longtime boyfriend David Furnish got married in December and I think that it's okay to be gay. I have a gay brother and when I first heard that he was gay, I thought that it was stupid. Now I have accepted it. Everybody that is a religious freak says that the bible says that it's wrong to be gay. I think that it okay to be gay. Who cares what people think. I really don't care what people think about gays. In the Us they've been trying to get some states to allow same sex marriges for years. I think that's great. It lets people express their love for one another and their freedom.

[Krys]

If everybody doesn't know this, sir Elton John and longtime boyfriend David Furnish got married in December and I think that it's okay to be gay.  I have a gay brother and when I first heard that he was gay, I thought that it was stupid.  Now I have accepted it.  Everybody that is a religious freak says that the bible says that it's wrong to be gay.  I think that it okay to be gay.  Who cares what people think.  I really don't care what people think about gays.  In the Us they've been trying to get some states to allow same sex marriges for years.  I think that's great.  It lets people express their love for one another and their freedom.

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i agree. i have gay friends. and they are really nice. they are actually better listeners than most people.

 

the problem with people these days is that they do not see that gays are also human. i dont want to insult anybody's religion but sometimes people follow the "old" teachings too far. whats wrong in being gay? you are still a human. imagine if the whole world push these gays aside. some of em are real smarty asses and make big bucks! to heck with the friggin laws! imo, many people are disgusted at gays is because they think its disgusting.

 

okay, end of my post i hope nobody gets offended by what i said

[1Celine12]

I'm not offended by your post lamourpourCeline. I actually should read up on my gay rights. Why? So, I can know what gays have the right to do. Like I said before, my brother is gay and I accept him for that. He is human just like the rest of us and I think that he should be treated like one. I think all gays and lesbians should be treated like humans.

[Krys]

I'm not offended by your post  lamourpourCeline.  I actually should read up on my gay rights.  Why?  So, I can know what gays have the right to do.  Like I said before, my brother is gay and I accept him for that.  He is human just like the rest of us and I think that he should be treated like one.  I think all gays and lesbians should be treated like humans.

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okay, lets go bomb the other people who think gays and les' are not humans ya?

[bonjovi]

I notice<brokeback mountain>this film recently,do you?

It's about gay and such a move film.

But it won't be play on in my country--China.

You know,my country is not so open as US or UK.

I feel a little sorry about that.

 

I just wanna to say i've met many questions about gay,just because of the environment.

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[angel_christ]

In my class there're 3 gays and they're really really nice. They're sweet and they could scream more scary than girls. But I don't understand why handsome boys always turn into gays? All 3 of them are really cute!

[Krys]

In my class there're 3 gays and they're really really nice. They're sweet and they could scream more scary than girls. But I don't understand why handsome boys always turn into gays? All 3 of them are really cute!

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me too! this a question to all the ladies out there. do you find yourself actually falling for gay guys knowing you cannot have em?

[celine_rules]

Marriage= 1 man + 1 woman Edited January 21, 2006 at 03:11 AM by celine_rules

[1Celine12]

WE understand that. But don't you think that gays should have that same right as men and women?

[Celine's Wife]

Marriage= 1 man + 1 woman

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Not always

[Krys]

Marriage= 1 man + 1 woman

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Not always

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lookin at some of the laws now...

[Michael]

I noticethis film recently,do you?

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yeah, i have seen this film and i was surprised because there were so many straight people are 40-50 years old. I think it is a good film about homosexuality

[Célinefull]

Marriage= 1 man + 1 woman

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The question that I have is why? What backs that up? Taking point from what BJP (or whatever his name was, I'm too lazy to look ) said, what would be so diabolical as to allow two men or two women to get married? Everyone always says that it would be so bad and that it would have dire consequences, but no one ever seems to know what they are. I think that the problem is, in regards to "children being confused" we need to break the stigma surrounding gay/lesbian people, and also, teaching safe sex wouldn't need to change or have anything speacial added for gay people, it's all the same things, same risks, same preventions and diseases, they don't have different parts they just use them differently.

 

And as for the biblical defense, having read the bible myself and being interested in historical information, I have come to the personal conclusion that condemming (or supposed condemnation) of homosexuality was to continue the line of the Jewish people, wherein all people were obliged to reproduce, the same way that they married their sisters and cousins, so that they could continue the small Jewish bloodline.

[pegasus]

I play in a ladies soccer team, which is the second sports in Holland as for women participation. About half of my own team are lesbians, as for the other ladies team from my club, more than half are lesbians. My best friend is gay. So I'd say I know quite a few!

 

I myself have a boyfriend, but I can honestly say that I love my gay friends, they are all smart, nice and great friends and I feel very comfortable being around them. When we go out with the team we usually go to our sponsors bar, which is a lesbian bar And have good fun there, (atleast no drunken man hastling us )

 

I think here in Holland, and specially the city where I live has a positive attitude towards gay people. But I can imagine that when you're still in school it can be difficult, because of how kids can be.

 

One of my teammembers has already been divorced from a woman, so we're already past the gay-marriage thing. I think that if two people love each other they should be able to get married, regardless whether they're the same sex.

[celine_rules]

And as for the biblical defense, having read the bible myself and being interested in historical information, I have come to the personal conclusion that condemming (or supposed condemnation) of homosexuality was to continue the line of the Jewish people, wherein all people were obliged to reproduce, the same way that they married their sisters and cousins, so that they could continue the small Jewish bloodline.

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how did you come to that conclusion?

[Mozinha]

My honest opinion?

Everyone is free to love whoever they want and it's no one else's business. End of story for me.