Courage World Tour - EU shows CANCELED

[pat200]

how does one know which seat on the map you actually got? it says floor seating row b but is it to the right or left or the middle?

[Tyler1991]

But still when not being sold out is unsuccessful? You don't have to be 100 % full to be considered as good.

 

Especially with those prices! It was already insane in 2008...

 

I will never have sympathy whatsoever even if she does 50% of the capacity.

 

That's on them.

 

She could sell out anything with regular prices. There are a lot of people left out because of this. It's not a matter of popularity but no way a random person (not a pure fan or rich people) would pay 250 euros or dollars to see a show.

 

It' s a shame. Period.

 

When we talk about the success or the failure of a Céline's concert/tour, there's IMO no other subject to talk about than the prices.

And it goes the same with the insane box office she grosses : nothing to be proud of! Sorry.

 

I'm more impressed by an artist who can fill a stadium with cheaper tickets/box office than a 18.000 attendance show grossing millions.

 

If people wanna seriously whine over 250 euros for a seat then why not just settle for a nosebleed at 70 euro, or even less. Im sorry but if people are so poor they can't cough up that little of money with notice than they're doing something wrong in life. God forbid they ever get hit with a speeding ticket.

[Dion2000]

Im really confused.. there are alot of tweets going around about Celine performing in Paris on July 2nd

[CelineTheBest5]

Next year

Im really confused.. there are alot of tweets going around about Celine performing in Paris on July 2nd

[Dion2000]

Next year

 

Yeah i know.. still wondering about how its leaked or if its true at all

[CSCfan]

Yeah i know.. still wondering about how its leaked or if its true at all

 

Her Bandsintown account posted it...

[pepillo90]

If people wanna seriously whine over 250 euros for a seat then why not just settle for a nosebleed at 70 euro, or even less. Im sorry but if people are so poor they can't cough up that little of money with notice than they're doing something wrong in life. God forbid they ever get hit with a speeding ticket.

 

That's probably the worst and most classist comment I've ever read on this forum.

 

All my suport to isurrender's words.

Edited April 14, 2019 at 02:36 PM by pepillo90

[Dion2000]

 

 

Her Bandsintown account posted it...

 

Is that a legitimate source though ?

 

Is it an actual official account run by her team or no?

[jpatdeleon09]

Well, If the production is really big Like A New Day.. No need for explanation for why it's so expensive...

[Tyler1991]

 

 

That's probably the worst and most classist comment I've ever read on this forum.

 

All my suport to isurrender's words.

 

I'm sorry you feel that way.

 

I had went to probably ten different concerts and was mid twenties before i ever spent more than about 80 bucks on a concert ticket. I always sat in cheap seats and as i was growing up, i was simply just happy to be in the venue. I wasn't worried about the top seats and i certainly didn't trash an artist over it.

 

I don't take sympathy to whining about prices, especially when people are whining about the top tier of price acting as if there is no other option and that is it. There are plenty of other options to sit besides $250 seats. plenty! The prices this tour were reasonable. Everything seems cheaper than the european tour

in 2017, which i was not expecting. Ticketmasters antics in some cases has not been reasonable however!! Still, i wouldn't trash celine over how high a ticket is. If i had ten months before a show I'd like to think 80 bucks could be saved. That's eight dollars a month. That's a single pack or cigarettes in a month on the high end. To say people are LEFT OUT or denied because of that small of a price is disparaging to celine. How low is she supposed to go? 20 bucks?

[CSCfan]

Is that a legitimate source though ?

 

Is it an actual official account run by her team or no?

 

No clue, but it's more legitimate than all those "Baby" April 5th release and Courage "tracklist" claims (which have been spreading around social media too)

I believe only the artist and/or Bandsintown can add shows..

[isurrender]

 

 

I'm sorry you feel that way.

 

I had went to probably ten different concerts and was mid twenties before i ever spent more than about 80 bucks on a concert ticket. I always sat in cheap seats and as i was growing up, i was simply just happy to be in the venue. I wasn't worried about the top seats and i certainly didn't trash an artist over it.

 

I don't take sympathy to whining about prices, especially when people are whining about the top tier of price acting as if there is no other option and that is it. There are plenty of other options to sit besides $250 seats. plenty! The prices this tour were reasonable. Everything seems cheaper than the european tour

in 2017, which i was not expecting. Ticketmasters antics in some cases has not been reasonable however!! Still, i wouldn't trash celine over how high a ticket is. If i had ten months before a show I'd like to think 80 bucks could be saved. That's eight dollars a month. That's a single pack or cigarettes in a month on the high end. To say people are LEFT OUT or denied because of that small of a price is disparaging to celine. How low is she supposed to go? 20 bucks?

 

OH poor Céline..I was disparaging to her... Because I said people couldn't afford her shows.

Are you high?

 

Yes, I think her prices are outrageous.

 

It's not even a question of saving up or stuff.

 

It's only entertainment with a popular singer who doesn't even sing her most demanding songs live and has probably the cheapest stage production.. 😂 Ridiculous.

 

 

 

[Tyler1991]

 

 

OH poor Céline..I was disparaging to her... Because I said people couldn't afford her shows.

Are you high?

 

Yes, I think her prices are outrageous.

 

It's not even a question of saving up or stuff.

 

It's only entertainment with a popular singer who doesn't even sing her most demanding songs live and has probably the cheapest stage production.. 😂 Ridiculous.

 

For your information, i gave up marijuana three weeks ago, but i may need to get into my hidden stash after dealing with this. Wow.

 

Celine's lipping technique has been the same since 1992 beginning with wdmhbn/iyamt amongst probably others. It's literally not changed. Roughly 25% of the show has always been lipped since 1993. Get over yourself. Most fans accept that, and while yes we do long for live vocals on TPOL/IACBTMN, others....it is what it is. Her voice has been in phenomenal shape the past few tours and her stage presence even better. That's why i love celine and will support her. Thats why i buy a ticket for her show. I have passion for her voice and her music and being amongst other fans makes me happy.

 

I suggest you look at other singers of her caliber and the prices and you'll see the only thing outrageous is that for being a top act her prices are still lower than some others out there.

[Dancing_Queen]

You need to keep in mind that the prices you see now are all Ticketmaster's doing.

 

I managed to get a really good seat for the first show, but I'll be surrounded by people paying triple what I paid (because of TM's 'dynamic pricing' sham).

Initially, prices were rather 'normal'.

 

Though the question remains what is 'affordable'. It's all about supply/demand, really. People (especially french people) out there on Twitter pretending it's their basic human right to have Céline tickets for less than $50 need to get lost...

I mean, I want her to sing at my birthday party for $100, but that's not gonna happen either...

 

[Xpresso]

 

It's only entertainment with a popular singer who doesn't even sing her most demanding songs live and has probably the cheapest stage production.. 😂 Ridiculous.

You want 100% live? I suggest you go see Madonna, Britney, JLo, Mariah... and you can come back here and apologize to Celine.

[Philippe]

 

 

Yeah i know.. still wondering about how its leaked or if its true at all

 

I hope it will be at Stade de France!

Edited April 14, 2019 at 06:19 PM by Philippe

[yoyoma]

Does anyone know when the April shows in Canada on for sale?

[manu23]

OH poor Céline..I was disparaging to her... Because I said people couldn't afford her shows.

Are you high?

 

Yes, I think her prices are outrageous.

 

It's not even a question of saving up or stuff.

 

It's only entertainment with a popular singer who doesn't even sing her most demanding songs live and has probably the cheapest stage production.. Ridiculous.

 

Britney Spears lips 100% of the show still charges similar prices (at least in Vegas). I paid 120€ (second row) to see Shania and she lipped 95% of the show. So if you think about it Celine is actually cheap : ) I get the frustration with Celine, but this is easy to understand if you know a bit about the law of supply and demand... The demand to see Celine live is more than the number of shows she can give, hence those prices, if you were a Mariah Carey fan you would pay less than half, but we can’t blame Celine for being successful.

[Tyler1991]

 

 

Britney Spears lips 100% of the show still charges similar prices (at least in Vegas). I paid 120¤ (second row) to see Shania and she lipped 95% of the show. So if you think about it Celine is actually cheap : ) I get the frustration with Celine, but this is easy to understand if you know a bit about the law of supply and demand... The demand to see Celine live is more than the number of shows she can give, hence those prices, if you were a Mariah Carey fan you would pay less than half, but we can’t blame Celine for being successful.

 

Actually i paid 6 dollars MORE for mariah than i did celine for the same ticket essentially. 225 to 219

 

Edit: actually 8 dollars more because i forgot i charged my friend an even 225 when really it was 227 each. Granted some of celine's venues the highest tier is 250, but a few are 200.

 

Regardless, there's still tickets like 70-80 bucks that can get you in the door.

Edited April 14, 2019 at 06:47 PM by Tyler1991

[incognito]

For some seeing Celine live is a bucket list event...it’s a life experience...I have people I know in my personal life throwing money at me for some of my great tickets because they want to experience Celine live just once.

[yoyoma]

I would say some people who pay more are not necessarily fans. I went to her show in Auckland last year. Those expensive seats and yet the audience only cared to wait until my heart will go on. They mostly did not know much about celine repertoire. Just my observation.

People prepare to pay just because she is the voice and she is celine but have not followed her since 2000.

[Dion2000]

There is absolutely no way anyone can question Celine for lip syncing. The fact that you say “her most demanding songs” IS THE VERY REASON SHE LIPS THEM.

 

Celine wouldnt lip it if she felt she could do it. TPOL gave her trouble in 1993, so to expect her to sing 100% live even just that song is ridiculous. Celines discography is extremely hard and the fact that she only lips such a small amount of her set list is an absolute miracle considering the songs difficulty, how often she performs and how big her sets usually are.

 

Mariah has lipped elements in almost every single song and yet will still charge 1000s for a front row seat or a meet and greet at $3000 in Vegas. Britney lips everything and still charges 100s. Shania lips 65-70% of her shows AT LEAST and charges huge amounts.

 

 

It’s ridiculous to insinuate that because she lips she should not be charging large amounts of money. She lips maybe 4-5 songs in a 23 song set. And yet you’re expecting prices for a legend as such to PAY $20-100 for a show ? She wouldnt even make enough off of that to pay all the money that touring costs...

 

Some people

[wjd]

Even back in the 90s, Celine was charging above the market average for concert tickets - that situation has only gotten progressively more evident since Vegas.

 

And I'm sorry, but the market dictates the value of something - if she can sell-out a venue at $200 a ticket, then more power to her. This woman has headlined 1,700-ish individual concerts in her lifetime and she's earned the reputation she has as a live performance artist.

[Tyler1991]

Even back in the 90s, Celine was charging above the market average for concert tickets - that situation has only gotten progressively more evident since Vegas.

 

And I'm sorry, but the market dictates the value of something - if she can sell-out a venue at $200 a ticket, then more power to her. This woman has headlined 1,700-ish individual concerts in her lifetime and she's earned the reputation she has as a live performance artist.

 

I actually find it completely amusing how broke teenagers have no problem parting with the same amount of money for miley, demi, cardi b, and others of today...yet the fossils who largely make up celine's base is moaning and groaning over prices all over facebook.

 

Point being, younger people are getting the picture...they weren't around when gas was 85 cents a gallon and don't expect things to be as they were 25 years ago. Everyone posting their ticket stubs from way back when saying they're gouged now should educate themselves on the evolution of the music industry and how artists DO make money, and how much they keep per what they do. It's not like it was years ago when an artist could make a cashcow on simply dropping an album. Streaming has changed that drastically. There are artists now touring in their 70s for partly this reason. Touring is where the money is at.

 

It is also a very good idea to educate oneself on the ticketing process to learn how to obtain proper tickets while never giving into TM scams and paying above face value. As the artists of the younger generation establish more and more, prices will continue to do what they have - across the board for ALL artists.

[scielle]

Well said.

Gen Z, and certainly the younger millennials are accustomed to paying for experiences.

 

I work with a bunch of kids who had no problem dropping several thousand $ on Fyre Festival, purely on the back of some sexy IG posts. All they got was a giant headache and a lousy cheese sandwich - I'm sure you've seen the one!

 

Celine has spent decades proving herself and establishing her worth as a performing artist. She's a known quantity, who doesn't phone it in.

 

And as has been said numerous times already - market clearing prices are merely a function of supply and demand.

[Your_Su_Phu]

Some of you are all over the place and conflating different arguments re the whole ticket price debate. Just because artists now make money from touring rather than album sales, and furthermore that legacy artists will command more money for tickets--does not wholly explain nor justify the overall disproportionate rise in ticket prices.

 

And obviously it's all a function of the market..but while I'm no radical communist or anything of the sort, it's insane how many of you talk about unfettered capitalism as if it's so natural and reasonable. Of course, people are not entitled to concert tickets, or to see Celine. So those who can afford these tickets and want to go are free to go. Good for them. But that doesn't change the fact that these are still bloodsucking prices and that when Celine and her team love to trot out the poverty origin story to be relatable it's manipulative, commercially-driven bullshit when she's basically ensured that the vast majority of the population would not be able to afford her shows. But if you abide by a moral framework where no amount of wealth is too much and elites should be able to hoard as much as they want just because they can then that's your deal. Just don't be surprised when some people point out (and that includes people who can afford these tickets) that the prices are fueled by needless greed, even after taking into account changes in the industry and economy.

 

There have literally been studies done on her fanbase in the US for example and the vast majority are working class with a household income below 65k. Let that sink in. Don't get me started when she charges similar prices in impoverished Southeast Asian countries where the average yearly income is 300USD$ and she basically only performs for the (literally evil) predatory 1% whose wealth is stolen from the masses

Edited April 14, 2019 at 08:47 PM by Your_Su_Phu

[Tyler1991]

Some of you are all over the place and conflating different arguments re the whole ticket price debate. Just because artists now make money from touring rather than album sales, and furthermore that legacy artists will command more money for tickets--does not wholly explain nor justify the overall disproportionate rise in ticket prices.

 

And obviously it's all a function of the market..but while I'm no radical communist or anything of the sort, it's insane how many of you talk about unfettered capitalism as if it's so natural and reasonable. Of course, people are not entitled to concert tickets, or to see Celine. So those who can afford these tickets and want to go are free to go. Good for them. But that doesn't change the fact that these are still bloodsucking prices and that when Celine and her team love to trot out the poverty origin story to be relatable it's manipulative, commercially-driven bullshit when she's basically ensured that the vast majority of the population would not be able to afford her shows. But if you abide by a moral framework where no amount of wealth is too much and elites should be able to hoard as much as they want just because they can then that's your deal. Just don't be surprised when some people point out (and that includes people who can afford these tickets) that the prices are fueled by needless greed, even after taking into account changes in the industry and economy

 

Don't get me started when she charges similar prices in impoverished Southeast Asian countries where the average yearly income is 300$ and she basically only performs for the (literally evil) predatory 1% whose wealth is stolen from the masses

 

I know you did not call me out directly, but i again want to make it clear that I've remained consistent the entire time.

 

If you cant afford a top floor ticket, there is still other options. Settle for a cheap seat in upper level...it is literally that simple!! 80 bucks is not that much money unless you're in mommys basement living off a $5 allowance still.

 

It is the lack of understanding as to how Ticketmaster operates on their own price gouging (even as the official platform). Yes it is sickening, but if people look at the official FACE VALUE prices and concentrate on that and that alone, i think they would be less mad at celine and moreso at ticketmaster.

 

As another example, lady gaga nosebleeds go over for 1000 a ticket due to the ticketmaster platinum scams.

[Chula]

US$ 1,032 was the first two rows in Bangkok 2018, which far more expensive that those of EU and US shows.

 

 

But the show was really worth it. That's why Celine sells above the entire music industry.

[Javito]

Celine's career and status kinda "justifies" those prices alone.

 

The type of show and production she does, doesn't.

 

The condition of her voice in most of her shows nowadays, doesn't either. I would gladly pay with my eyes closed $200 if she had the voice of 2002 and did an antitour show like the Olympia days, but of course it ain't gonna happen.

 

I'll leave it there...

Edited April 15, 2019 at 03:06 PM by Javito

[manu23]

Nobody forces you to go to her shows, then that seat will be free for someone that really enjoys her voice...

 

Celine’s voice in her worst day is still better than any current pop start, I’ll leave there...