Courage World Tour - EU shows CANCELED

[browseceline]

Here’s what little info I can give to help people understand what’s happening with Ticketmaster, etc. Just like us, they have never experienced mass cancellations of EVERYTHING at one time like this in anyone’s lifetime. (Meaning those of us who weren’t alive during the last pandemic.)

 

Just taking Broadway shows (which is where I have most of my understanding) Ticketmaster may have had to deal with one show closing early and having to refund months worth of tickets to customers but not 31 shows at one time. (That doesn’t include Off-Broadway shows or concerts across the globe, west end theater, theater in other major cities around the world, etc.) So they are faced with having to give back a $hit ton of money at once. They don’t want to do this. So for Broadway, as an example, they are holding onto everyone’s money until the government says “everything is canceled until this date.” Even WHEN the government does that, they are pushing people to simply reschedule their dates for the fall or winter rather than cancelling their tickets - they don’t want to give all of those people their money back. Their stock price will go down, they’ll be out hundreds of millions of dollars, blah, blah, blah, cry me a river for a multi-billion dollar company.

 

It’s the same thing with concerts. I’m reading about people who had tickets to see Elton John at MSG for example - the show isn’t happening now and people want their money back but Ticketmaster is refusing to do so saying people must wait to see when the show is rescheduled and their tickets will simply be transferred to that show.

 

So for everyone waiting for Celine/AEG...FIRST whichever country in which you live has to announce that legally nothing can take place on the day of your concert, then AEG can have the chats with venues and Celine, look at everyone’s schedule and re-schedule the dates. That will allow them to hold onto your money (because they already have it and it’s very difficult to get money back from a major corporation once they have it) and simply give you a ticket for the rescheduled show. Then, they can make you jump through hoops to prove that you can’t make that performance before giving you back your money - a process that will take 3-6 months and allow them to hold onto your money as long as they can. (Meanwhile, you may be paying interest for that ticket on your credit card that you’ll never get back.)

 

Seeing that some of Celine’s shows (or rumors that some of Celine’s shows) are going to be rescheduled for 2022 is making more and more sense as we learn more about this virus that has only been around for 3 months. If the other pandemics that have occurred in history (I think there have been 5?) are any indication of what will happen with this one...warm weather may slow down the virus SLIGHTLY but that’s only if everyone stays indoors. If restrictions are lifted and social distancing flies out the window (literally) we’ll have another round of severe illnesses. Another thing those other pandemics have shown us is that the virus goes away for a short time, only to come back (sometimes harder) about 6-12 months later.

 

A vaccine is said to be 18 months away. But that’s just to come up with the vaccine. The United States (to use as an example) has 314 million people. That means that, once the vaccine is discovered, 314 million doses have to be made. And no one in our government is figuring out how that’s going to happen. Each and every country will have to produce however many doses that country is going to need for their population.

 

I’m glad to see that people on this board are finally starting to understand the gravity of the situation. Nothing is going to change any time soon. Sit back, take a breath, listen to your favorite Celine album and wait. There’s nothing else that can be done right now.

Well spoken!

 

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[scielle]

Of course.

I don't understand why people think the can get their money back at this point. None of these companies - even those valued in the billions - are sitting on billions of dollars in cash. That's not how it works. It's not an effective use of capital to hold billions in liquid cash. They have a fraction of that at any given time, just basic working capital, so they can't suddenly refund everyone for everything at once.

That would be equivalent to a run on a bank. No bank is able to refund all deposits at once. If we all went to our respective banks today and asked to withdraw all our deposits now, the banking system would collapse. They all hold a tiny fraction of that and lend out everything else. That's how the system functions.

 

That, plus as I mentioned in my post last week about insurance, you can't get a policy against something like COVID - it doesn't exist (I know, because I tried to insure a multi-million dollar tour by an A-list band last week and pandemics are an exclusion from every policy).

 

So point being, nobody has the cash right now to refund you. Things are going to get postponed. And since everyone is postponing everything, and space is finite, some of these postponements will be very far out.

 

And I wouldn't be surprised, sadly, if some of these companies fold. Maybe not the likes of Ticketmaster, but many, many others will. Cirque du Soleil, for example, is on the verge of filing for bankruptcy protection. You can imagine how this snowballs for hundreds of other smaller ones in the business. Sound, lighting, rigging, tour logistics.... everyone in the industry saw their revenues die overnight, but fixed costs still have to be paid. They can't carry on forever. Some won't make it.

[browseceline]

So Trump is going to reopen economy asap. Right now the crisis is so high and hé makes this decision. Please fellow fans don't go working this soon again. This is really the worst decision. This Will spread the virus even more. It really scares me.. Stay safe Stay home people..

 

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[Alex_Incognito]

So Trump is going to reopen economy asap. Right now the crisis is so high and hé makes this decision. Please fellow fans don't go working this soon again. This is really the worst decision. This Will spread the virus even more. It really scares me.. Stay safe Stay home people..

 

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Of course he isn’t. He is a blowhard.

[PuraVida]

Of course.

I don't understand why people think the can get their money back at this point. None of these companies - even those valued in the billions - are sitting on billions of dollars in cash. That's not how it works. It's not an effective use of capital to hold billions in liquid cash. They have a fraction of that at any given time, just basic working capital, so they can't suddenly refund everyone for everything at once.

That would be equivalent to a run on a bank. No bank is able to refund all deposits at once. If we all went to our respective banks today and asked to withdraw all our deposits now, the banking system would collapse. They all hold a tiny fraction of that and lend out everything else. That's how the system functions.

 

That, plus as I mentioned in my post last week about insurance, you can't get a policy against something like COVID - it doesn't exist (I know, because I tried to insure a multi-million dollar tour by an A-list band last week and pandemics are an exclusion from every policy).

 

So point being, nobody has the cash right now to refund you. Things are going to get postponed. And since everyone is postponing everything, and space is finite, some of these postponements will be very far out.

 

And I wouldn't be surprised, sadly, if some of these companies fold. Maybe not the likes of Ticketmaster, but many, many others will. Cirque du Soleil, for example, is on the verge of filing for bankruptcy protection. You can imagine how this snowballs for hundreds of other smaller ones in the business. Sound, lighting, rigging, tour logistics.... everyone in the industry saw their revenues die overnight, but fixed costs still have to be paid. They can't carry on forever. Some won't make it.

 

Yes, but aren't they contractually obligated to refund people if shows are cancelled---regardless if it's en masse? Just contractually speaking...whether or not they would do it is another matter.

[browseceline]

Of course he isn’t. He is a blowhard.

Well i just saw on CNN he has already made the decision. By May he will reopen the economy and if there is another peak he will shutdown the country again. But i think when he does this many people will get infected. Many more than now.

 

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[PuraVida]

Well i just saw on CNN he has already made the decision. By May he will reopen the economy and if there is another peak he will shutdown the country again. But i think when he does this many people will get infected. Many more than now.

 

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I don’t see what this will accomplish. Certain cities and states within the United States would most likely not follow any such “order” due to the obvious health implications.

 

So nothing would change except in places stupid enough to decide to follow the “order”...and then those places will suffer the consequences.

 

Edit: May is far too soon, but thinking long-term it does seem like we are in for something like this ie a series of lockdowns and re-openings.

Edited April 10, 2020 at 11:30 PM by PuraVida

[couldawouldashoulda]

 

 

Yes, but aren't they contractually obligated to refund people if shows are cancelled---regardless if it's en masse? Just contractually speaking...whether or not they would do it is another matter.

 

Only if the show is cancelled. Not if the show is postponed. Contractually, those are two different words that have two different “legal” meanings. Life is frustrating, isn’t it, when you realize how things actually work? (That’s not meant snarky. It’s meant literally.)

[couldawouldashoulda]

Well i just saw on CNN he has already made the decision. By May he will reopen the economy and if there is another peak he will shutdown the country again. But i think when he does this many people will get infected. Many more than now.

 

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I’m not seeing this reported on any news sites including CNN. Are you are you didn’t see the interview where he said he was “considering” re-opening by May. No official decision has been made. And Dr. Fauci has said over and over that would be the most dangerous thing we could do. NYC has already announced our restrictions will stay in place until June 7 (for now.)

[guigafs15]

 

 

Only if the show is cancelled. Not if the show is postponed. Contractually, those are two different words that have two different “legal” meanings. Life is frustrating, isn’t it, when you realize how things actually work? (That’s not meant snarky. It’s meant literally.)

 

Really? I don't know the laws in America. But, here in Brazil, it doesn't matter if is cancelled or rescheduled. If there is any change from what the consumers bought, is their choice to keep or not. If change the date, the refund have to be a option.

[scielle]

Well i just saw on CNN he has already made the decision.

 

Not his decision to make.

(Never mind that the vast majority of what he says is miles away from reality.)

[scielle]

 

 

Yes, but aren't they contractually obligated to refund people if shows are cancelled---regardless if it's en masse? Just contractually speaking...whether or not they would do it is another matter.

 

Sure. But they can’t refund you if they don’t have the cash (just like Depression era banks didn’t have the deposits when everyone came a-knocking to withdraw.)

That’s partially why most things will just end up indefinitely delayed, rather than cancelled. Or why you’ll see a lot of companies issue vouchers for future use rather than cash refunds.

[PuraVida]

Sure. But they can't refund you if they don't have the cash (just like Depression era banks didn't have the deposits when everyone came a-knocking to withdraw.)

That's partially why most things will just end up indefinitely delayed, rather than cancelled. Or why you'll see a lot of companies issue vouchers for future use rather than cash refunds.

 

I smell legal battles. I wonder if Celine would get caught up in any legal battle in the future regarding this.

[browseceline]

must have misunderstood it couldawouldashoulda. i am sorry

I watch cnn every night to see what’s going on right now. Thought i saw it but glad the decision has not been made yet.

Edited April 11, 2020 at 07:10 AM by browseceline

[CSCfan]

Sure. But they can't refund you if they don't have the cash (just like Depression era banks didn't have the deposits when everyone came a-knocking to withdraw.)

That's partially why most things will just end up indefinitely delayed, rather than cancelled. Or why you'll see a lot of companies issue vouchers for future use rather than cash refunds.

 

This is currently what all the festival organisers/promotors are currently doing in Holland, giving people a few options. Either: your ticket is valid for the next edition/rescheduled show, you can get a voucher for a different show in the future, you can donate your money or... you can get a refund. They're obliged to give you a refund if you want to, but like you said.... if everyone's doing this, there will most likely be no company to get a refund from.

[couldawouldashoulda]

 

 

Really? I don't know the laws in America. But, here in Brazil, it doesn't matter if is cancelled or rescheduled. If there is any change from what the consumers bought, is their choice to keep or not. If change the date, the refund have to be a option.

 

That is definitely not the case in America. Unfortunately.

[couldawouldashoulda]

To continue on from my comment above. I had a ticket to Seth Rudestky’s series where he does Q&A with a performer and that performer also sings. When I bought the ticket, the performer was Vanessa Williams. It changed at some point after that to Brian Stokes Mitchell. (And then to 2 months past it’s date thanks to the covid-19 shutdown.) I wasn’t even informed of the change - let alone offered the chance to have my ticket refunded.

[mirage]

For what it's worth. She was doing M&G during the tour.

But apparently you need to be a non celine fan, and be friends with Pepe, and somewhat an celebrity otherwise you won't make it.

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/B9h0o8ZHeOV/?igshid=14eso9zukedfe

[Del]

For what it's worth. She was doing M&G during the tour.

But apparently you need to be a non celine fan, and be friends with Pepe, and somewhat an celebrity otherwise you won't make it.

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/B9h0o8ZHeOV/?igshid=14eso9zukedfe

It's unfortunate that the need to know someone to get a meet and greet. I understand that she gets thousands of requests but you'd think they could pick a few ( 2 or 3) for each city.

 

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[SuperLove4Celine]

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[Davey84]

It's unfortunate that the need to know someone to get a meet and greet. I understand that she gets thousands of requests but you'd think they could pick a few ( 2 or 3) for each city.

 

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[browseceline]

For what it's worth. She was doing M&G during the tour.

But apparently you need to be a non celine fan, and be friends with Pepe, and somewhat an celebrity otherwise you won't make it.

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/B9h0o8ZHeOV/?igshid=14eso9zukedfe

i am sorry she looks like a wax statue here and even not looking much like Celine... I hope she gets rid of that wig when she ever comes back on stage.

 

 

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[Del]

Or you could win them on TC, like with AND ...

 

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Yes that's also a great idea.

 

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[Chula]

It's strange that the announcement of the EU leg cancellation has not been made

[Bruno Portugal]

i am sorry she looks like a wax statue here and even not looking much like Celine... I hope she gets rid of that wig when she ever comes back on stage.

 

 

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Taste is really a subjective matter... I love love LOVE this look!

 

[Celinenvegas]

Not his decision to make.

(Never mind that the vast majority of what he says is miles away from reality.)

Exactly, he can suggest all he wants, like he did with restrictions but it's up to each state. Some states don't even have restrictions, just suggestions right now and others are more strict. My state, NJ, is #2 in the country so there are a lot more restrictions here and our cases and deaths keep growing every day. I hate going to the grocery stores now but I do only when I need to stock up and I go later in the day when there are less people. I don't see things getting better by May hopefully June????

 

Be safe everyone! This too shall pass.

[Celinenvegas]

Only if the show is cancelled. Not if the show is postponed. Contractually, those are two different words that have two different "legal" meanings. Life is frustrating, isn't it, when you realize how things actually work? (That's not meant snarky. It's meant literally.)

I had tickets for the Washington DC show and it was postponed until November, the email from Ticketmaster said I could keep my tickets or get a refund. I called and applied for a refund with no problem. They refunded the total that I paid in a week or so.

[Céline RO]

How had I never seen this?!

 

https://tvagatineau.ca/blogue/article/céline-dion-en-spectacle-à-ottawa

 

I love this type of content!

[Céline RO]

i am sorry she looks like a wax statue here and even not looking much like Celine... I hope she gets rid of that wig when she ever comes back on stage.

 

 

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I actually like how she looks in that photo but I agree that she should get rid of that wig. I’d also like her to dye her hair brown again, just like in my profile picture. I think she could easily look gorgeous like on the 2013 tour again.

[browseceline]

Did you guys see the Easter photo on Instagram? She is looking good and i hope she will do something , maybe a cover .. just something for her worldwide fans..

 

Mariah sang hero at home and other singers also sing on Instagram and YouTube. i hope she does something too.

 

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Edited April 12, 2020 at 08:15 PM by browseceline