Courage World Tour - EU shows CANCELED

[nuts2you]

Fingers crossed my show is still a go,, Come Nov ,

[maki_Dion-er]

I don't think too many people would be opposed to going to a Celine concert (or any concert) if it's held.

 

If in the US and other parts of the world people aren't taking this virus seriously NOW, it's gonna take something immensely drastic happening to make people actually listen.

This is a threat we can't see and that makes too many of us "fearless" of it.

[PuraVida]

 

 

I don't think that's the reason. Celine is a multimillionaire. Her money generates a lot money by itself. Enough to maintain her luxury and her family for the next generations without anyone ever work.

 

IMO she is just not that connect to her songs, especially the english ones. Was always a marketing choice made by the guys in the suits. She just put her voice on it, and even that was under control (David Foster said once that Celine, different from the others, sang exclatly the way he asks, no worse and no better, but the same).

 

I do think she enjoys doing concerts, though. She loves the stage. IMO that's why she never quit it.

 

 

Her money generates money by itself. Well, it depends how much of her assets are liquid. The real numbers count. Is it enough to generate her lifestyle if she doesn’t work and support her family members who may need it? Depends on the numbers.

 

She doesn’t have song writing royalties, which is where the very big bucks are. Las Vegas real estate is not the best investment in the world.

 

Private jet, private security teams, household assistants, twelve living siblings and their families, fashion budget up to the heavens, etc

[AdrienneM]

 

 

 

Her money generates money by itself. Well, it depends how much of her assets are liquid. The real numbers count. Is it enough to generate her lifestyle if she doesn’t work and support her family members who may need it? Depends on the numbers.

 

She doesn’t have song writing royalties, which is where the very big bucks are. Las Vegas real estate is not the best investment in the world.

 

Private jet, private security teams, household assistants, twelve living siblings and their families, fashion budget up to the heavens, etc

 

However, isn’t it the case that for a lot of Celines songs her and Rene actually do get money off of them? I remember it being an issue with certain songwriters before that Celine and Rene got some of the money. Celine also makes a lot of money (as do many) off of exclusivity deals and paid promotion. Can you even IMAGINE how much money Instagram paid her? I also imagine Celine and Rene were always smart enough to have Celine have money stashed away in investment holds and things, they weren’t stupid. I mean, considering her net worth at current is listed as somewhere between $400 and 800 million (depending on which source you see/believe) and it’s likely very little of that is in cars, or property’s or assets she owns, she’s absolutely fine for now

[Philippe]

The most lucrative stream of revenue for an artist is touring. Céline is the highest grossing female artist of all time in addition to be second highest selling female artist of all time. Some folks here clearly have opinions on stuff they should not.

 

It is commonly known in the MTL business community that Céline is a big spender (she doesn't know the value of money - as simple as that). However, it is also known that René knew that about his wife and structured trusts that will allow Céline and his six children to have enough money for generations to come.

 

Still as of today, Céline does not control nor even really know the money that she has, but she is clever enough to trust those with the knowledges.

 

Lastly, Céline has been very generous with her family in the past (and probably is still today), but she does not support any of her siblings lifestyle.

 

She is one of the richest women on the planet. If she tour, it's because she wants to. She could have stopped working before her 30th birthday if she would had wanted to.

Edited April 7, 2020 at 03:02 AM by Philippe

[browseceline]

Fingers crossed my show is still a go,, Come Nov ,

And you're from?

 

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[Céline RO]

And you're from?

 

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Probably referring to the Washington show.

[PuraVida]

 

 

However, isn’t it the case that for a lot of Celines songs her and Rene actually do get money off of them? I remember it being an issue with certain songwriters before that Celine and Rene got some of the money. Celine also makes a lot of money (as do many) off of exclusivity deals and paid promotion. Can you even IMAGINE how much money Instagram paid her? I also imagine Celine and Rene were always smart enough to have Celine have money stashed away in investment holds and things, they weren’t stupid. I mean, considering her net worth at current is listed as somewhere between $400 and 800 million (depending on which source you see/believe) and it’s likely very little of that is in cars, or property’s or assets she owns, she’s absolutely fine for now

 

I don’t believe that Rene/Céline ever made such arrangements. I’m no expert, but I don’t know of any artist that gets royalties from a song they didn’t write. And it’s certainly not at all the majority of the profits that the songs generate—the writers get the lion’s share. Plus, we have to think of all her covers.

 

I’m not saying she’s not fine for now, but imagine living another 30 years without having worked—purely theoretical of course. That’s why she would keep working, just out of the natural mental need to keep up a financial cushion.

 

Money in stocks and portfolios—the stock market crashes associated with Coronavirus show just how fragile investments can be!

[PuraVida]

The most lucrative stream of revenue for an artist is touring. Céline is the highest grossing female artist of all time in addition to be second highest selling female artist of all time. Some folks here clearly have opinions on stuff they should not.

 

It is commonly known in the MTL business community that Céline is a big spender (she doesn't know the value of money - as simple as that). However, it is also known that René knew that about his wife and structured trusts that will allow Céline and his six children to have enough money for generations to come.

 

Still as of today, Céline does not control nor even really know the money that she has, but she is clever enough to trust those with the knowledges.

 

Lastly, Céline has been very generous with her family in the past (and probably is still today), but she does not support any of her siblings lifestyle.

 

She is one of the richest women on the planet. If she tour, it's because she wants to. She could have stopped working before her 30th birthday if she would had wanted to.

 

How do people know about such trusts? Do you have any links or recommended sources?

 

You seem to have above average knowledge of her financial behavior. I’m very well aware of Celine’s vast vast wealth, but if you saw the Whitney Houston documentary you could learn that even that amazing star of vast wealth became penniless in her later years.

 

I’m not worried about Céline at all, but even the very rich are bound to work because of their lifestyle!

[Alice]

Now that the info regarding Vienna is out, I expect an official announcement any time soon.

[AdrienneM]

 

 

I don’t believe that Rene/Céline ever made such arrangements. I’m no expert, but I don’t know of any artist that gets royalties from a song they didn’t write. And it’s certainly not at all the majority of the profits that the songs generate—the writers get the lion’s share. Plus, we have to think of all her covers.

 

I’m not saying she’s not fine for now, but imagine living another 30 years without having worked—purely theoretical of course. That’s why she would keep working, just out of the natural mental need to keep up a financial cushion.

 

Money in stocks and portfolios—the stock market crashes associated with Coronavirus show just how fragile investments can be!

 

Well from what I’ve now read it seems her and Rene did do that. There was the whole scandal where they tried to buy some of the rights to The Reason off of Carole King and she refused, some other artists that have written Celine songs have done the same it seems, but it seems to me like Rene and Celine DID. Their publishing company Duffield Publishing has 20% publishing shares in much of her music, most notably Let’s Talk About Love

[Philippe]

 

 

How do people know about such trusts? Do you have any links or recommended sources?

 

You seem to have above average knowledge of her financial behavior. I’m very well aware of Celine’s vast vast wealth, but if you saw the Whitney Houston documentary you could learn that even that amazing star of vast wealth became penniless in her later years.

 

I’m not worried about Céline at all, but even the very rich are bound to work because of their lifestyle!

 

Céline lifestyle and wealth have nothing to do with Whitney's. I work in the business community in MTL. I cannot reveal more.

 

Adrienne refers to the making of the LTAL album when René asked the writers to "give" a percentage of their royalties in return of Celine signing there songs. While not unusual as approach, it is always controversial.

Edited April 7, 2020 at 03:12 PM by Philippe

[rfkavanagh]

A little more background can be found here (second post on this page):

https://www.ukmix.or...ne-Dion/page71=

 

LTAL (the album) was originally to be titled The Reason - I'm assuming part of why that changed was Carole King's refusal to give up a percentage of royalties, but obviously they still wanted the song enough not to omit it entirely.

Edited April 7, 2020 at 04:19 PM by rfkavanagh

[comingback]

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I hope Celine will join them. Bocelli will also be there.

Edited April 7, 2020 at 05:46 PM by comingback

[Ajax]

Now that René is dead Celine is at the head of an empire. I mean, an Empire. Forbes and all that always under estimated her fortune. No need to be a specialist for that.

 

While big big stars like Madonna need to pay a lot for their managers with the way the Feeling compagny was structured big part of the income were kept under their compagny, their empire. When album sells was what made you rich she was the most selling artist on earth, now that it is touring she is the most profitable woman too. Numbers and profitability for Celine is out of this word even in comparison to any artist out there. She literally re created Vegas with so little investment and expenses in comparison to her grosses.

 

Maybe the only “weak” points were that she was just a singer we know that René was taking care of that (everyone knows the story of LTAL) and maybe the lack of advertising contracts/diversification in comparison to her peers. She basically exploded that with things like Instagram and Loreal.

 

I can’t even understand how people can be worried. Whatever the number of shoes or dress she would buy 😅 Even with this tour. She will get back to it in 2021.

[Ajax]

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I hope Celine will join them. Bocelli will also be there.

 

It is not classy anymore to keep quite about her possible donations. She needs to speak she needs to participate at some points. It’s also for us a kind of return on investment. For us, the fans who are a big part of her fortune.

[wjd]

I don't believe that Rene/Céline ever made such arrangements. I'm no expert, but I don't know of any artist that gets royalties from a song they didn't write. And it's certainly not at all the majority of the profits that the songs generate—the writers get the lion's share. Plus, we have to think of all her covers.

 

I'm not saying she's not fine for now, but imagine living another 30 years without having worked—purely theoretical of course. That's why she would keep working, just out of the natural mental need to keep up a financial cushion.

 

Money in stocks and portfolios—the stock market crashes associated with Coronavirus show just how fragile investments can be!

 

Celine did make such arrangements - her and Rene had legendary business dealings.

 

I can recall seeing once that Celine had the highest non royalty rate of a non-songwriter in the entire business - she was making between 20-25% of every single sale (merchant value - but probably be between $1.50-$3 per unit). This is the reason Carole King nearly fell out with her and Rene - as Carole refused to give up her publishing rights (and in return, probably lost out on a boat load of money - but Carole did what she felt was the moral thing).

 

The issue now is that music doesn't sell in the quantities it used to and Celine's music doesn't sell well on catalogue, nor does it stream particularly well - further, Celine probably makes very little money on compilation sales.

 

Therefore, she will make most of her money on her private business dealings (which none of us know anything about) and her touring (which we fortunately know everything about). With touring, she probably receives a fixed fee per show (given her shows gross upwards $2m on average per arena which is simply remarkable, she probably makes between $750k-$1m per show + a share in the profits). From the Courage tour, she'll earn no less than $100m personally.

 

This woman has no financial issues.

[PuraVida]

 

 

Céline lifestyle and wealth have nothing to do with Whitney's. I work in the business community in MTL. I cannot reveal more.

 

Adrienne refers to the making of the LTAL album when René asked the writers to "give" a percentage of their royalties in return of Celine signing there songs. While not unusual as approach, it is always controversial.

 

Celine has worked hard and earned her money. Obviously Rene was no stupid businessman either.

 

My point was even people with vast wealth, including a peer singer like Whitney Houston, get into financial difficulties even when we think it impossible...particularly after not working for a handful of years. Spending habits are particularly hard to break, too.

 

Basically, I don’t think it would be wise for Céline to stop working strictly from a financial point of view. Whether she loves working or not is another matter. I doubt a financial advisor would advise differently given her lifestyle habits.

 

There is a reason someone like her would do commercials and brand partnerships (NuNu is kind of a unique case). It’s to help finance their lifestyle.

Edited April 7, 2020 at 07:11 PM by PuraVida

[Ajax]

You can’t compare with Whitney. From the beginning it s nothing comparable to Celine. From her fortune which was not even the half of Celine’s to her lifestyle.

 

And if Celine stops working her charges and lifestyle will decrease drastically and naturally in consequence.

 

Her and the next generations won’t have to work.

[PuraVida]

 

 

Celine did make such arrangements - her and Rene had legendary business dealings.

 

I can recall seeing once that Celine had the highest non royalty rate of a non-songwriter in the entire business - she was making between 20-25% of every single sale (merchant value - but probably be between $1.50-$3 per unit). This is the reason Carole King nearly fell out with her and Rene - as Carole refused to give up her publishing rights (and in return, probably lost out on a boat load of money - but Carole did what she felt was the moral thing).

 

The issue now is that music doesn't sell in the quantities it used to and Celine's music doesn't sell well on catalogue, nor does it stream particularly well - further, Celine probably makes very little money on compilation sales.

 

Therefore, she will make most of her money on her private business dealings (which none of us know anything about) and her touring (which we fortunately know everything about). With touring, she probably receives a fixed fee per show (given her shows gross upwards $2m on average per arena which is simply remarkable, she probably makes between $750k-$1m per show + a share in the profits). From the Courage tour, she'll earn no less than $100m personally.

 

This woman has no financial issues.

 

Sorry to you and the above poster. I had no idea about the percentage she secured from recording certain songs, and—as with the Carole King bit—it’s news to me! Where can I read about the Carole King falling out bit? I read the UK mix link saying Carole refused but it is so hard to imagine Carole not being pals with her!

 

I think the finances of music artists today are fascinating and a bit suckish. Music isn’t making much money for a ton of people except those artists at the very top—the Swifts and Billie Eilish’s of the world.

Edited April 7, 2020 at 07:35 PM by PuraVida

[PuraVida]

You can’t compare with Whitney. From the beginning it s nothing comparable to Celine. From her fortune which was not even the half of Celine’s to her lifestyle.

 

And if Celine stops working her charges and lifestyle will decrease drastically and naturally in consequence.

 

Her and the next generations won’t have to work.

 

Saying there is nothing to compare between Whitney and Céline seems silly, IMO. How would Whitney’s lifestyle and spending have differed (other than the drug use)...?

 

It’s clothes, cars, staff, international trips, accommodation, fashion, jewelry, houses, and so on.

 

You see it with NBA and sports stars all the time. Once they finish their playing career, their spending habits remain lavish and they eventually run out of money...if they don’t successfully branch out. Some do, some don’t.

 

Celine has a great team and a great family, but it doesn’t mean—for finance sake—that she should stop working. Granted, none of us are in her pocketbook but details do matter.

Edited April 7, 2020 at 07:28 PM by PuraVida

[Céline RO]

It's also for us a kind of return on investment. For us, the fans who are a big part of her fortune.

 

Well I’m still hoping for a real return on investment.

[Ajax]

I stand behind my words. They were both successful singers, superstars. We can compare them for many aspects. If we speak about money, fortune, incomes which is also related to their work behavior and achievements, whatever you want and that s what we are talking about, there s NOTHING comparable.

[Ajax]

 

 

Well I’m still hoping for a real return on investment.

 

So am I. It s maybe already done. I would almost feel better knowing it 🤨🙂

[Céline RO]

So am I. It s maybe already done. I would almost feel better knowing it

 

I don’t want my money back, I want her to give us the shows she promised.

[Ajax]

 

 

Saying there is nothing to compare between Whitney and Céline seems silly, IMO. How would Whitney’s lifestyle and spending have differed (other than the drug use)...?

 

It’s clothes, cars, staff, international trips, accommodation, fashion, jewelry, houses, and so on.

 

You see it with NBA and sports stars all the time. Once they finish their playing career, their spending habits remain lavish and they eventually run out of money...if they don’t successfully branch out. Some do, some don’t.

 

Celine has a great team and a great family, but it doesn’t mean—for finance sake—that she should stop working. Granted, none of us are in her pocketbook but details do matter.

 

I know that. Once again sports stars is a particular case related to the early age where their career stops. I understand your concerns and you re right about their unbelievable expanses and charges due to their lifestyle. That’s a real question I won t deny that. But you seem to miss the right points, details... and your examples are very discutables.

[AdrienneM]

 

 

Saying there is nothing to compare between Whitney and Céline seems silly, IMO. How would Whitney’s lifestyle and spending have differed (other than the drug use)...?

 

It’s clothes, cars, staff, international trips, accommodation, fashion, jewelry, houses, and so on.

 

You see it with NBA and sports stars all the time. Once they finish their playing career, their spending habits remain lavish and they eventually run out of money...if they don’t successfully branch out. Some do, some don’t.

 

Celine has a great team and a great family, but it doesn’t mean—for finance sake—that she should stop working. Granted, none of us are in her pocketbook but details do matter.

 

But Whitney stopped touring for YEARS. She stopped touring and releasing consistently all together for like 10 years, Celine in the past 10 years has done 564 concerts, each earning a MINIMUM of $400,000. Her arena shows she will likely receive around $750,000 if not more, and stadiums she’ll receive that PLUS around 50% of the total profits. I mean, she made nearly $40 million post-tax last year, count the probably $5-10 million she made this year on tour shows, plus her brand deals, investments, money she makes off of publishing etc, she’s absolutely fine. Even if she was to keep up her current spending rates, she’s worth at *minimum* over $400,000,000, she’ll be absolutely fine

Edited April 7, 2020 at 07:40 PM by AdrienneM

[Ajax]

 

 

I don’t want my money back, I want her to give us the shows she promised.

 

Ugh I was not talking about the Tour at all. It was about her making donations and/or communicate participate in charity events.

 

[Céline RO]

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Ugh I was not talking about the Tour at all. It was about her making donations and/or communicate participate in charity events.

 

I was talking about the tour but yes, I would like that too.

Edited April 7, 2020 at 08:13 PM by Céline RO

[AdrienneM]

 

 

I don’t want my money back, I want her to give us the shows she promised.

But if she’s literally can’t, what then? She never promised anything. Very little in life is promised, hell, life itself is never promised. We should be grateful for what we DO get in times like these especially