Céline Dion Live 2018 (tour) - Official Topic

[jpatdeleon09]

I really love this arrangement. It doesn’t sound boring. And i like the electric guitar at the end.

 

 

[scielle]

Nothing we haven't already known for a while, but good to see Billboard cover it as well.

 

https://www.billboar...million-grosses

 

"With a career spanning three decades, Dion has earned her stripes as a touring titan. [...] Her $56 million haul this year follows the $63 million grossed during the Celine Dion Live 2017 tour and $48 million during summer 2016."

 

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(Ugh that outfit though... she looks Liberace...)

Edited September 8, 2018 at 12:48 AM by scielle

[jpatdeleon09]

I don’t why some are saying that her voice wasn’t great back in 2008 TCWT. But they are wrong! Her voice here was so strong, consistent, resonance, powerful, high notes. In short, all are on point even the dresses, the show, makeup, hair, etc.

 

Edited September 8, 2018 at 09:04 AM by jpatdeleon09

[Dion2000]

I don’t why some are saying that her voice wasn’t great back in 2008 TCWT. But they are wrong! Her voice here was so strong, consistent, resonance, powerful, high notes. In short, all are on point even the dresses, the show, makeup, hair, etc.

 

 

 

Nothing compared to 2017 or even 2018. 2008 Celine could never do a performance like TLBSEPT or TR and 2008s TT was inferior to 2017 and 2018 by MILES. Here she sounds quite nasal and actually her belts sound.... swallowed kind of like theyre a bit muffled compared to her belts now. Not to mention that this clip has been pitched up a semitone by the uploader

 

The show was.... meh. Good that she did so many songs from the album but the arrangements were so lack luster. The dresses were good actually but that black MHWGO dress was.... emmmm questionable. Makeup and hair i agree, i loved the extremely voluminous, thick hair she had in 2009 sooooo much. Her hair looks kinda flat right now. Even when she has short hair she texturises it alot but rn its just kinda..... flat

Edited September 8, 2018 at 12:53 PM by Dion2000

[Javito]

Nothing compared to 2017 or even 2018. 2008 Celine could never do a performance like TLBSEPT or TR and 2008s TT was inferior to 2017 and 2018 by MILES. Here she sounds quite nasal and actually her belts sound.... swallowed kind of like theyre a bit muffled compared to her belts now. Not to mention that this clip has been pitched up a semitone by the uploader

 

That's simply because you didn't hear her sing them because she didn't sing those songs back then :rolleyes: You cannot say she wouldn't have been able to sing this or that if she didn't do it to judge And only for how powerful her belting was in songs like Alone or Je sais pas, she would have nailed songs like TLBSEPT back in 2008 with such ease. And more importantly, holding the long notes (something she tends to shorten more and more each time these days).

 

Seriously, saying that her voice in 2018 tour is better than 10 years ago is a blatant nonsense. Unfortunately her voice keeps changing and is not as flexible as 10 years ago, the use of playback is mixed here and there and in between her songs, and it's plain obvious to see in the Tokyo show.

 

Not saying that she can't belt hight notes still -of course she does, but her vocal chords keep being abused and her nasal twangy voice keeps being more and more present each year in her shows.

Edited September 8, 2018 at 01:21 PM by Javito

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

 

Nothing compared to 2017 or even 2018. 2008 Celine could never do a performance like TLBSEPT or TR and 2008s TT was inferior to 2017 and 2018 by MILES. Here she sounds quite nasal and actually her belts sound.... swallowed kind of like theyre a bit muffled compared to her belts now. Not to mention that this clip has been pitched up a semitone by the uploader

 

The show was.... meh. Good that she did so many songs from the album but the arrangements were so lack luster. The dresses were good actually but that black MHWGO dress was.... emmmm questionable. Makeup and hair i agree, i loved the extremely voluminous, thick hair she had in 2009 sooooo much. Her hair looks kinda flat right now. Even when she has short hair she texturises it alot but rn its just kinda..... flat

 

I don’t know with you but i think this is one of the best show of hers after A new day (2000-recent). A big prod. Her vocals here were more sustained, powerful/stronger, can belt longer, more resonance, fuller voice

 

And i think this video is not pitched up. Her voice in arizona sounds pitched up because of her sickness. That’s why she can hit those hiiiiiigh notes (like she can even speak cartoonish high pitched sounds) that time.

 

And by saying Céline could never do a performance like TLBSEPT or TR.. how would you know. I think she can do it. Think Twice before were stronger and her vocals were much fuller than now (sounds thinner). I think the only prob before was she was sticking to the original version and not doing much “playful notes” or ad-lib runs like she’s doing now that’s why you think it’s much better but before it’s much sustained, pronunciation were much better, stronger/thicker vocals and fuller.

 

And also the instrumentals. Now, she got an Orchestra of course it will sound muuuch better. But in RDMH and MHWGO, i like Mego’s arrangement (not with the orchestra since 2011) since A New day. It sounds more alive than now

 

Now, the only thing that makes me cringe with her “new voice” is the yodeling moments like in Ashes (cause i’ve been shaking, i’ve been bending backwards ‘til i’m broke..) and the “o” sounds it’s becoming “eur”.

Edited September 8, 2018 at 01:32 PM by jpatdeleon09

[Javito]

Evidence that comparing 2018 voice with her voice 10 years back to the TCTW is rather absurd, is the playback performance of Falling Into You: the prerecorded vocals were so bad and weak, that they even cut the song from the TV broadcast, probably because it was embarrasing to hear that voice compared with the rest of the show.

 

That would have never happened 10 years ago in the TCWT: her worst day during that tour was great compared to the horrible nasal voice she used to record FIY in this 2018 tour. Her voice then was still flexible, she was able to hold the long notes, and the use of playback was limited. In 2018 it's rare the song when we can say she performed it fully live and not resorting to playback use.

[jpatdeleon09]

Even her pre recorded vocals before was much better because it sounded sooooooooooooooooooooo natural compared to the recent ones.

[gafsa]

Assumptions

[jpatdeleon09]

Billboards

 

CD wraps summer tour with $56 million in the bank

 

[manu23]

Celine used more playback in 2008 than now..

 

I agree that FIY doesn’t sound good but it must have been recorded like this on purpose to make it look it was live while dancing. TLYM is prerecorded also and sounds perfect.

Edited September 8, 2018 at 02:57 PM by manu23

[celinefanonline]

Celine used more playback in 2008 than now..

 

I agree that FIY doesn't sound good but it must have been recorded like this on purpose to make it look it was live while dancing. TLYM is prerecorded also and sounds perfect.

i hope if when they release it Celine do rerecord it again with better vocal shape lol

[Tyler1991]

Evidence that comparing 2018 voice with her voice 10 years back to the TCTW is rather absurd, is the playback performance of Falling Into You: the prerecorded vocals were so bad and weak, that they even cut the song from the TV broadcast, probably because it was embarrasing to hear that voice compared with the rest of the show.

 

That would have never happened 10 years ago in the TCWT: her worst day during that tour was great compared to the horrible nasal voice she used to record FIY in this 2018 tour. Her voice then was still flexible, she was able to hold the long notes, and the use of playback was limited. In 2018 it's rare the song when we can say she performed it fully live and not resorting to playback use.

 

I do have to somewhat disagree with this statement. Yes maybe coming off 2017 it is easy to think this...but the playback percentages of 2017 were the lowest since before 1993....truly incredible. I still find 2018 to be not as bad as 2008 in regards to playback.

 

One way to look at it - 2008 tour she created five new playbacks. Last chorus of Alone and Taking Chances, Eyes On Me in full, That's Just The Woman In Me full, and the anymore note in ABM. The playbacks here were SO BAD that she then had to re-record all ten of them with the same voice to give some fluency between songs (TPOL, IDAN, MHWGO, IACBTMN, TLYM)

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2018 tour she created two new ones, and it turns out one of them (TLYM) she recycled parts from another playback (the ending oh's). FIY must have been a lazy one take. Clearly between just these two and the lack of effort in both it is actually a GOOD SIGN that she is not worrying too much about creating new tracks.

 

2017 she only created one track (Le Ballet). Perhaps this lack of effort into creating new tracks is why we have gotten several rare live performances of recent:

 

Misled - only live in Brunei and Tonight Show and 2017 opening show; lipped TCOML, D'eux, FIY tours

Taking Chances - live all 2017 tour after lipping the higher parts TCWT

Treat Her Like A Lady - only live at the 1998 Essence Awards and opening 2017 show; lipped LTAL tour

I Drove All Night - only live today show 2003 and 2007, Oprah 2007....lipped over 900 times before finally singing live in 2017 all tour (same key as 2007 live Today)

My Heart Will Go On - live LTAL tour, lipped 900 times with two live performances mixed in, then live for about 13 months before lipped for a show leg before being live on 2017 tour then finally reverting back to lip.

The Reason - live LTAL tour, lipped 2011-2014 Vegas, now live 2017 and 2018.

 

A few more numbers:

TCWT DVD - Boston

1. I Drove All Night

2. The Power of Love

3. Taking chances

4. IACBTMN

5. BYLM

6.TLYM

7. Eyes On Me

8. All By Myself

9. I'm Alive

10. Shadow Of Love

11. Fade Away

12. I'm Your Angel (removed from DVD)

13. Alone

14. My Love

15. The Prayer

16. PQTME

17. Queen Medley

18. Man's World

19. LCMM

20. RDMH

21. MHWGO

 

Out of 21 songs: 5 full playbacks, 4 partial, 12 live songs

 

Now for 2018 tour: since I was nice enough to include IYA for the cut DVD I'll include our late edition encore to 2018 setlist.

 

1. TPOL

2. That's The Way It Is

3. I'm Alive

4. BYLM

5. IACBTMN

6. Beauty And The Beast

7. Ashes

8. Think Twice

9. FIY

10. The Reason

11. PQTME

12. Recovering

13. ABM

14. String Medley

15. TLYM

16. Kiss

17. Purple Rain

18 LCMM

19. RDMH

20. MHWGO

21. Can't Help Falling In Love

 

For the sake of having 21 songs also I left the string medley as one and the prince medley as two. All 5 songs were live however.

So out of 21 songs....14 songs live. 4 partially playback. 3 fully playback (counting BYLM as full because it basically is lol).

 

These percentages have gotten better over ten years believe it or not! I can agree she is more likely to use playback on a one off awards show now maybe...but the overall show it seems as though live vocals truly have increased. The Vegas years both before and after TCWT had some awfully high percentages, but this is why we all likely prefer touring Celine. That energy she brings comes from fully projecting her voice and enjoying a set of songs she is actually singing.

Edited September 8, 2018 at 03:19 PM by Tyler1991

[Javito]

TLYM’s playback disruption with the “ohhh-ohhh-ohhh’s” in the ending is so abrupt and noticeable in this tour that is even uncomfortable to see 😔 It wasn’t noticeable before.

 

And OF COURSE she would use some more playback in the TCWT than in these summer tours, that’s perfectly understandable: she did 132 shows for that tour through 2008 and 2009 and travelling to 5 continents, compared with the 20-something shows she’s doing in 2018!!! Loool

Edited September 8, 2018 at 03:25 PM by Javito

[neocshs]

I think that 2008 was a great year for celine's voice: the main problem was the amount of concerts she committed herself to, and therefore we had lazy vocals and nasal voice by the middle of the tour. Still, her belting and stamina was much better then than now (ABM was basically 100% live, TSMGO was incredible and she used to sing The prayer as if it wasn't a big deal) even if she wasn't actually giving her best! The only actual problem with those concerts was the setlist. It might have helped to have less shows in order to keep her south Africa leg voice, but she did amazing to me!

[Dion2000]

 

 

That's simply because you didn't hear her sing them because she didn't sing those songs back then :rolleyes: You cannot say she wouldn't have been able to sing this or that if she didn't do it to judge And only for how powerful her belting was in songs like Alone or Je sais pas, she would have nailed songs like TLBSEPT back in 2008 with such ease [\b] . And more importantly, holding the long notes (something she tends to shorten more and more each time these days).

 

Seriously, saying that her voice in 2018 tour is better than 10 years ago is a blatant nonsense. Unfortunately her voice keeps changing and is not as flexible as 10 years ago, the use of playback is mixed here and there and in between her songs, and it's plain obvious to see in the Tokyo show.

 

Not saying that she can't belt hight notes still -of course she does, but her vocal chords keep being abused and her nasal twangy voice keeps being more and more present each year in her shows.

 

 

Her notes in Je sais pas and Alone were extremely heady belts not actual chest belts that are required in TLBSEPT or The Reason. Every difficult chest belt in the TC tour was lipped and these would have been no different and i dont know why youre talking about playback when there was way more playback on the TC tour than this tour.

 

The C#5s in TLBSEPT are chest belts and if you look at her C#5s in TT in 2008, her mid belts this era were subpar and far less poweful than either 2002,2011,2012,2013,2016,2017 or even 2018. Compare TT from 2008 to 2018, and you will know what im talking about its evident in that.

 

The vocals she produced in TT, TR and CHFILWY in 2018 are more difficult than anything she did on the TC tour AND SHE DID THESE DIFFICULT VOCALS CONSISTENTLY in 2018 with no playback where as 2008 Celine would have lipped TR and CHFILWY with no hesitation and even if she did it live, it would have been completely different and she would have been vocally exhausted and would have dropped them after south africa with 0 hesitation.

 

Im seriously in tears at you saying shes not as flexible when in Purple Rain (idc if you hate it) she transitions between registers with zero effort and hits way higher noted than in JSP or Alone with 0 ease and in 2008 her top note was Bb5 where as in 2018 she was hitting C#6s ... its a no brainer. You hate Purple Rain but its the exact same use of mixed voice as Alone and Je Sais pas just a higher note.

 

And its hilarious that you think shes abusing her voice, truly laughable since shes been vocally improving every year PAST 2008 lol.

 

And as for sustaining notes, in 2016 she proved she was still the queen of long notes in Ordinaire, and even in 2017 with I drove all night AND 2018 she extended the RMDH ending note with the new extended outro to RDMH.

 

 

And yes, you can say she cant sing songs in certain eras, I know for a fact she cant sing Only One Road or The Power Of The Dream from 2003-2007 or 2016-2018 the way she’s supposed to. I know she cant sing the All by Myself high note this era.... its basic analysis

[Dion2000]

 

 

I don’t know with you but i think this is one of the best show of hers after A new day (2000-recent). A big prod. Her vocals here were more sustained, powerful/stronger, can belt longer, more resonance, fuller voice

 

And i think this video is not pitched up. Her voice in arizona sounds pitched up because of her sickness. That’s why she can hit those hiiiiiigh notes (like she can even speak cartoonish high pitched sounds) that time.

 

And by saying Céline could never do a performance like TLBSEPT or TR.. how would you know. I think she can do it. Think Twice before were stronger and her vocals were much fuller than now (sounds thinner). I think the only prob before was she was sticking to the original version and not doing much “playful notes” or ad-lib runs like she’s doing now that’s why you think it’s much better but before it’s much sustained, pronunciation were much better, stronger/thicker vocals and fuller.

 

And also the instrumentals. Now, she got an Orchestra of course it will sound muuuch better. But in RDMH and MHWGO, i like Mego’s arrangement (not with the orchestra since 2011) since A New day. It sounds more alive than now

 

Now, the only thing that makes me cringe with her “new voice” is the yodeling moments like in Ashes (cause i’ve been shaking, i’ve been bending backwards ‘til i’m broke..) and the “o” sounds it’s becoming “eur”.

 

 

The fact that you think she had a more

Powerful voice in 2008 is actually ridiculous

[Dion2000]

 

TLYM’s playback disruption with the “ohhh-ohhh-ohhh’s” in the ending is so abrupt and noticeable in this tour that is even uncomfortable to see 😔 It wasn’t noticeable before. [\b]

 

And OF COURSE she would use some more playback in the TCWT than in these summer tours, that’s perfectly understandable: she did 132 shows for that tour through 2008 and 2009 and travelling to 5 continents, compared with the 20-something shows she’s doing in 2018!!! Loool

 

 

In TC she was lipping songs completely unnecessarily compared to singing songs live in 2016,2017,2018 that are completely understandable to lip sync eg TR,TLBSEPT,IDAN etc

 

And the TLYM comment is funny. The changes between the playbacks in the TC tour were actually painful. The transition betwen live and playback in TPOL were ridiculous and i have no idea how the audience bought it. TLYM was even worse it sounded NOTHING like her voice at that time

Edited September 8, 2018 at 04:33 PM by Dion2000

[CelineDionForeverNY]

Can we please stop being so extreme here? It's quite a struggle reading through this same debate over and over again. There were problems with her voice in 2008, there were problems with her voice in 2018. At the same time, there were excellent vocal moments in 2008, as well as in 2018.

[jpatdeleon09]

The fact that you think she had a morePowerful voice in 2008 is actually ridiculous

I think her voice is really powerful than today. What do i mean powerful? Louder, Fuller, Stronger, Sustained that you can't hear and saying ridiculous. Like what Javi said a moment ago. "Her voice then was still flexible, she was able to hold the long notes". Flexible YEAH! that's why i don't understand why keep on saying the other way around. Anyway, this will turn into a debate lol

 

ok let's go back to 2018

Edited September 8, 2018 at 05:01 PM by jpatdeleon09

[JulienMcbeal]

Can we please stop being so extreme here? It's quite a struggle reading through this same debate over and over again. There were problems with her voice in 2008, there were problems with her voice in 2018. At the same time, there were excellent vocal moments in 2008, as well as in 2018.

 

Well, you see the names, the long quotes and posts... so just skip them!

[Tyler1991]

Some of my favorite higher belts.

 

https://youtu.be/PtM46kbYkPc

2:30ish , the f5/f#5 isn't whiney mixed sounding, i like this one a lot.

 

https://youtu.be/m-mTLjZjAnA

1:35-1:45 not bad, 1:52-2:10 was phenomenal. Same as above really.. She didn't attempt those belts much after the earlier legs.

Edited September 8, 2018 at 05:39 PM by Tyler1991

[Dion2000]

I think her voice is really powerful than today. What do i mean powerful? Louder, Fuller, Stronger, Sustained that you can't hear and saying ridiculous. Like what Javi said a moment ago. "Her voice then was still flexible, she was able to hold the long notes". Flexible YEAH! that's why i don't understand why keep on saying the other way around. Anyway, this will turn into a debate lol

 

ok let's go back to 2018

 

Just let the performances speak for themselves

 

 

https://youtu.be/FoylkSy5ntg

 

 

https://youtu.be/PoEU5MKeBWE

 

 

Its extremely obvious which performance is better, not to mention in the 2008 one she was in the first few shows after around 2 months off. Where as 2018 she was at the end of a tour which was just after a vegas run too. Hmmmm

 

 

The 2018 one has ALOT more power, resonance and agility with zero effort on the runs and riffs. Where as 2008, the belts sound weak and muffled almosy

 

[neocshs]

 

 

Just let the performances speak for themselves

 

 

https://youtu.be/FoylkSy5ntg

 

 

https://youtu.be/PoEU5MKeBWE

 

 

Its extremely obvious which performance is better, not to mention in the 2008 one she was in the first few shows after around 2 months off. Where as 2018 she was at the end of a tour which was just after a vegas run too. Hmmmm

 

 

The 2018 one has ALOT more power, resonance and agility with zero effort on the runs and riffs. Where as 2008, the belts sound weak and muffled almosy

 

I don't really see it that way.. She used to sing the song with a more relaxed body, holding long stable notes and reaching the notes without jumping or starting below as she's got used to now.

Now on the high notes she sounds babyish and thinner due to her new vocal conditions, whilst back in 2008 she sounded full and ringed, perfectly on pitch. And if the runs now are better than before is just because she has been practicing them a lot lately.. Recently all the songs with high long notes (ordinaire, IDAN, TLBDB, ABM, CHFIL) haven't really stood up against what she used to give us in the past in terms of stability and clarity. She gained only range and agility with riffing, running and transitioning, which were not really her trademark,or at least not the obvious ones.

Edited September 8, 2018 at 08:31 PM by neocshs

[Dion2000]

 

 

I don't really see it that way.. She used to sing the song with a more relaxed body, holding long stable notes and reaching the notes without jumping or starting below as she's got used to now.

Now on the high notes she sounds babyish and thinner due to her new vocal conditions, whilst back in 2008 she sounded full and ringed, perfectly on pitch. And if the runs now are better than before is just because she has been practicing them a lot lately.. Recently all the songs with high long notes (ordinaire, IDAN, TLBDB, ABM, CHFIL) haven't really stood up against what she used to give us in the past in terms of stability and clarity. She gained only range and agility with riffing, running and transitioning, which were not really her trademark,or at least not the obvious ones.

 

 

Possibly the most ignorant thing ive heard. The videos speak for themselves. Every belt in the 2018 one was thicker,more powerful, more resonant and had vibrato.

 

In the 2008 one the big “baaaaaaaaby” has about 1/4 of the power and resonance of the 2018 one and the 2018 “dont do it baby no dont do it babyyyyyy” has alot more clarity and she actually sustained the whole phrase longer with consistent power. Even the 2008 no no no no sounded weak and almost muffled. The C#5 “dont do it babyyyyy” in 2008 was longer but sounded forced and wasnt resonant at all where as 2018 was RINGING with resonance

 

If anything in the 2008 clip you CLEARLY hear a far thinner belting voice with nowhere near as much resonance or power, her maturer voice has so much weight and power too it that it drowns out the 2008 one.

 

 

And the whole line “she gained only range and agility with riffing,running and transitioning” .... so she developed and improved in 5 vocal fachs and youre downplaying that and making it seem insignificant........... that’s actually ridiculous

 

 

And as for your long note comments, the long notes in Ordinaire in 2016 had alot of power and clarity with not much difficulty at all even with it being her worst vocal year (IMO) and her belt in CHFILWY had SOOOOO much resonance and she was then able to riff through MULTIPLE high belts in one breath and still maintain power and resonance.

 

 

So yes with great ease i can say, 2018 dwarfs 2008

 

I mean just listen to the sheer RESONANCE and POWER of the C#5 here :

 

https://youtu.be/kZRpiCoC7Xk

Edited September 8, 2018 at 09:25 PM by Dion2000

[neocshs]

 

 

 

Possibly the most ignorant thing ive heard. The videos speak for themselves. Every belt in the 2018 one was thicker,more powerful, more resonant and had vibrato.

 

In the 2008 one the big “baaaaaaaaby” has about 1/4 of the power and resonance of the 2018 one and the 2018 “dont do it baby no dont do it babyyyyyy” has alot more clarity and she actually sustained the whole phrase longer with consistent power. Even the 2008 no no no no sounded weak and almost muffled. The C#5 “dont do it babyyyyy” in 2008 was longer but sounded forced and wasnt resonant at all where as 2018 was RINGING with resonance

 

If anything in the 2008 clip you CLEARLY hear a far thinner belting voice with nowhere near as much resonance or power, her maturer voice has so much weight and power too it that it drowns out the 2008 one.

 

 

And the whole line “she gained only range and agility with riffing,running and transitioning” .... so she developed and improved in 5 vocal fachs and youre downplaying that and making it seem insignificant........... that’s actually ridiculous

 

 

And as for your long note comments, the long notes in Ordinaire in 2016 had alot of power and clarity with not much difficulty at all even with it being her worst vocal year (IMO) and her belt in CHFILWY had SOOOOO much resonance and she was then able to riff through MULTIPLE high belts in one breath and still maintain power and resonance.

 

 

So yes with great ease i can say, 2018 dwarfs 2008

 

I mean just listen to the sheer RESONANCE and POWER of the C#5 here :

 

https://youtu.be/kZRpiCoC7Xk

 

Chill

[Dion2000]

 

 

Chill

 

 

So you write a whole counter argument and when i respond with a relevant point you simply write chill...... okay one less person to read, ignore button at the ready 😊😊

[CSCfan]

While I think her voice cán be more powerful these days, it's also weaker at the same time. She has more trouble sustaining her notes that are not high, often going the "Beyoncé-way" (vibrato'ing her way through it, as if she has more trouble singing 'straight' notes/lines).. and she also has (IMO) an annoying way of singing some lines/words (it's apparent in 'Ashes', but also in HDAMLF and she also did it during the 2017 tour).

 

Whether it's age, just her way of singing now, her ear problems, it's just the way it is. All in all, with her being this long in the business and doing all those live shows, her vocals are still very much impressive. So I don't care if she's become "better" or "worse", she's still the The Voice.

[neocshs]

 

 

 

So you write a whole counter argument and when i respond with a relevant point you simply write chill...... okay one less person to read, ignore button at the ready 😊😊

 

We are "speculating" and inferring over something somewhat silly and not life changing, and you, who don't know me, overreact and imply that I make up ignorant thoughts.. I don't have time to debate over something so little with somebody who gets passionate and throws a lot of drama.. So chill down and be reasonable. And you are even thinking of blocking me or ignoring for something so insignificant? Gosh..

I am here to take some time off my life, and not to worry about stuff like YouTube stans.

[québecflower]

So you write a whole counter argument and when i respond with a relevant point you simply write chill...... okay one less person to read, ignore button at the ready

your level of tolerance is not that high. I still don't have you on ignore even though you are doing every thing in your power

with your lack of politness to push us to do so. We have all a different opinion, that can be good at the same time. Your opinion is good , another can be also. Just a matter of perspective. You will see that with some maturity. I won't say old age, because some people don't evolve. They think they have IT and won't change . I think you have enough intelli8gence to not block at this stage.