Celine (Las Vegas show) [ends: June 8th, 2019] - Official topic

[brendanm999]

Lol, funny that they always Say 5 nights a week when they talk about her first run. Well well

She only did this in the beginning of the run (and during the week of the DVD taping). They found out the schedule was too gruelling (really )..

She actually did 4-5 nights a week for the entire run of A New Day. The thing is that there were more breaks after 2003, resulting in less shows performed. Occasionally, she did 3 nights.

[wjd]

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk292/WJD1989/Averages%201.png

 

This ended up being a much more interesting list than I thought it would! Much has been written about Jennifer Lopez's Vegas averages here - they are eye watering. And so it should come as no surprise that she occupies all of the top 5 - in fact, all of her legs so far sit inside the top 10. It should however be worth noting that her averages are dropping - her most recent leg (leg 6) saw an average per show gross of $758,403 - down 21% compared to the peak (leg 2). Jennifer's average per show gross stands at a record $856,304 to date.

 

Elton John has the most appearances in the top 50 with a massive 25 appearances (in other words, Elton John has as many appearances as everyone else combined) - Elton is the only other artist to have topped the $800k mark (his all-time highest grossing per show average came way back in 2004 with his very first set of shows which grossed an average of $801,949). Across his 405 shows in Vegas, his average gross is $649,914 - a phenomenal number. His lowest per show average came in 2009 with $536,577.

 

What about Vegas queen Celine, I hear you all ask? Well hers is less impressive due to the sheer volume of shows and the fact that it hasn't always been a rosy picture for her in Vegas. In the top 50, she has 13 appearances with her highest per show average coming earlier this year in April 2017 when she grossed $714,950 per show across 12 shows - just for clarity, her April shows were just over 15 years after her first Vegas shows. Her all-time Vegas average per show sits at $571,285 - that number has been achieved across 1,051 shows which represents an incredible achievement.

 

The next act to spotlight here is Britney Spears who has 4 appearances in the top 50 with her top performing series of shows coming in the Christmas/New Year period of 2014 in which she grossed $699,910 across a 4 stretch run (if she'd sold an extra $400 worth of tickets, her average would've topped the $700k mark, placing her in elite company). Her all-time average per show gross is $532,726 - a huge number but one that has declined over time as her boxscore numbers have dwindled.

 

Only two other acts rank amongst the 3 elite artists above - with one show apiece, both The Backstreet Boys and The Who rank at #16 and #43 respectively. The Backstreet Boys are an interesting act here as their highest per show average came with their last leg (leg 3 - which grossed $716,377) and their numbers have climbed with each leg - moving from $584,760 to $599,908 to $716,377. It doesn't look like we'll get any further shows from The Who but their 6 show mini-residency did good business averaging $659,729 per show.

[wjd]

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk292/WJD1989/Averages%202_2.png

 

Venue Capacities

 

The Colosseum (Caesars Palace): 4,298

Park Theater (Monte Carlo Resort & Casino): 5,200

The AXIS (Planet Hollywood): 4,600

 

Venues like The Colosseum, The AXIS and Park Theater can all hold over 4,000 people and gross anywhere between $600,000-$800,000 on a very good night. But there have been occasions where gross figures have been less than that - much less than that actually. We'll look at attendance separately but ultimately what drives your gross figure is your attendance and your ticket price. If demand for your show is high and you can sell the venue out at a high average ticket price, you're a Vegas dream.

 

Rod Stewart's Vegas residency began in August 2011 - he was brought in to cover the periods of time Celine wouldn't be performing (Celine also returned in 2011 but on a much reduced annual show count). He poses an interesting case as he's never grossed less than $400k per show but of the 15 legs he's performed so far, 9 have seen an average per show gross of less than $500k. His highest set of averages came with leg 2 in 2011 in which he grossed a per show average of $566,530 and his lowest came with leg 6 in 2013 in which he grossed a per show average of $414,626.

 

With 9 legs, Britney Spears is the next most featured act in the above list - her 9 grosses in the above list are: $412,030, $428,131, $456,432, $458,893, $486,137, $489,838, $490,018, $500,961 and $511,641. These figures comprise 125 shows (55% of the total residency) and $57,982,787 (48% of the total gross thus far) resulting in an average gross of $463,862 for these 9 legs.

 

Celine has 6 legs feature in the above list but we could potentially discard 4 of them as they were during the early part of the A New Day run (adjusted for inflation, a $480k gross in 2005 is equivalent to a $650k gross in 2017). But ultimately, they are there - they are out of sync with the rest of the run which managed to stay over $500k so they are underperforming legs regardless. Of those 6 legs, 2 of them were however genuinely very poor, occurring during June/July 2013 and December/January 2013/2014 - she grossed $495k and $496k respectively for the 2 legs which given how much she personally makes per show (over $500k per night), were loss making legs.

 

If you were to ask me who the worst performing major act in Las Vegas was, it'd be either Shania Twain or Bette Midler. Let's start with Bette as she actually does have the worst per show average gross of the modern era (but with good reason) with her 18 show run in August/September 2009 pulling in an average of just $261,564 per show. Her first 4 legs (consisting of 66 shows) produced very good numbers actually; leg 1 polled a per show average of $615,979, leg 2 polled $616,030, leg 3 polled $483,366 and leg 4 polled $503,731 giving an overall average of $539,615 (from a box office totaling $35,614,649). But the inception of her show coincided with the economic recession and the decline in her show figures because of this which can be seen from January 2009 onwards is staggering. Not only did her ticket sales decline but the average price of the tickets that were sold fell by an alarming 27% (going from an average of $152.26 in leg 1 to $110.47 in the final leg). But Bette did at least have the excuse of a recession; her average for the entire residency was $421,238.

 

Shania Twain didn't have that excuse. Having grossed $43,563,065 during her Vegas residency, from an overall gross perspective, Shania Twain is the 8th most successful act in Las Vegas history. However, that number doesn't give a true reflection of the commercial performance which at times was amongst the worst numbers seen by a Vegas residency act performing in a big venue. In total, Shania performed 10 legs during her residency - 8 of these sit within theh bottom 50 in terms of lowest average per show gross. On two occasions, she's fallen below the $300k mark - at this point, it is highly likely that the Casino is making a substantial loss. I can't fathom why her numbers are so bad to be honest. Shania's average for the entire residency was $414,886.

 

Other acts featuring are Mariah (with 4 out of 6 legs), Cher (with 4 out of 7 legs) and Ricky Martin (with 2 out of 2 legs). Of the 3 acts, Cher is unquestionably the best performing - her 7 legs for her original Vegas residency averaged: $643,121, $635,429, $497,807, $463,926, $411,890, $455,714 and $586,228 giving an overall average of $507,403. Mariah's 6 Vegas legs averaged: $574,516, $588,929, $503,640, $341,079, $442,977 and $404,477 with an overall average of $478,252. And Ricky Martin's 2 legs have so far averaged: $289,157 and $353,393 with an overall average of $321,275.

 

Lots more can be seen here: https://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=127018

[nuts2you]

Kristinaz

 

cant wait t see what she comes to find next weeks shows

[chocolatechip15]

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk292/WJD1989/Averages%202_2.png

 

Venue Capacities

 

The Colosseum (Caesars Palace): 4,298

Park Theater (Monte Carlo Resort & Casino): 5,200

The AXIS (Planet Hollywood): 4,600

 

Venues like The Colosseum, The AXIS and Park Theater can all hold over 4,000 people and gross anywhere between $600,000-$800,000 on a very good night. But there have been occasions where gross figures have been less than that - much less than that actually. We'll look at attendance separately but ultimately what drives your gross figure is your attendance and your ticket price. If demand for your show is high and you can sell the venue out at a high average ticket price, you're a Vegas dream.

 

Rod Stewart's Vegas residency began in August 2011 - he was brought in to cover the periods of time Celine wouldn't be performing (Celine also returned in 2011 but on a much reduced annual show count). He poses an interesting case as he's never grossed less than $400k per show but of the 15 legs he's performed so far, 9 have seen an average per show gross of less than $500k. His highest set of averages came with leg 2 in 2011 in which he grossed a per show average of $566,530 and his lowest came with leg 6 in 2013 in which he grossed a per show average of $414,626.

 

With 9 legs, Britney Spears is the next most featured act in the above list - her 9 grosses in the above list are: $412,030, $428,131, $456,432, $458,893, $486,137, $489,838, $490,018, $500,961 and $511,641. These figures comprise 125 shows (55% of the total residency) and $57,982,787 (48% of the total gross thus far) resulting in an average gross of $463,862 for these 9 legs.

 

Celine has 6 legs feature in the above list but we could potentially discard 4 of them as they were during the early part of the A New Day run (adjusted for inflation, a $480k gross in 2005 is equivalent to a $650k gross in 2017). But ultimately, they are there - they are out of sync with the rest of the run which managed to stay over $500k so they are underperforming legs regardless. Of those 6 legs, 2 of them were however genuinely very poor, occurring during June/July 2013 and December/January 2013/2014 - she grossed $495k and $496k respectively for the 2 legs which given how much she personally makes per show (over $500k per night), were loss making legs.

 

If you were to ask me who the worst performing major act in Las Vegas was, it'd be either Shania Twain or Bette Midler. Let's start with Bette as she actually does have the worst per show average gross of the modern era (but with good reason) with her 18 show run in August/September 2009 pulling in an average of just $261,564 per show. Her first 4 legs (consisting of 66 shows) produced very good numbers actually; leg 1 polled a per show average of $615,979, leg 2 polled $616,030, leg 3 polled $483,366 and leg 4 polled $503,731 giving an overall average of $539,615 (from a box office totaling $35,614,649). But the inception of her show coincided with the economic recession and the decline in her show figures because of this which can be seen from January 2009 onwards is staggering. Not only did her ticket sales decline but the average price of the tickets that were sold fell by an alarming 27% (going from an average of $152.26 in leg 1 to $110.47 in the final leg). But Bette did at least have the excuse of a recession; her average for the entire residency was $421,238.

 

Shania Twain didn't have that excuse. Having grossed $43,563,065 during her Vegas residency, from an overall gross perspective, Shania Twain is the 8th most successful act in Las Vegas history. However, that number doesn't give a true reflection of the commercial performance which at times was amongst the worst numbers seen by a Vegas residency act performing in a big venue. In total, Shania performed 10 legs during her residency - 8 of these sit within theh bottom 50 in terms of lowest average per show gross. On two occasions, she's fallen below the $300k mark - at this point, it is highly likely that the Casino is making a substantial loss. I can't fathom why her numbers are so bad to be honest. Shania's average for the entire residency was $414,886.

 

Other acts featuring are Mariah (with 4 out of 6 legs), Cher (with 4 out of 7 legs) and Ricky Martin (with 2 out of 2 legs). Of the 3 acts, Cher is unquestionably the best performing - her 7 legs for her original Vegas residency averaged: $643,121, $635,429, $497,807, $463,926, $411,890, $455,714 and $586,228 giving an overall average of $507,403. Mariah's 6 Vegas legs averaged: $574,516, $588,929, $503,640, $341,079, $442,977 and $404,477 with an overall average of $478,252. And Ricky Martin's 2 legs have so far averaged: $289,157 and $353,393 with an overall average of $321,275.

 

Lots more can be seen here: https://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=127018

 

Interesting stuff, but how do you know how much she makes per show? I didn't think anyone knew what her contract says.

[wjd]

Interesting stuff, but how do you know how much she makes per show? I didn't think anyone knew what her contract says.

 

Just going off what the media states - but I don't imagine it's far from reality. And once an act like her dips below that $500k mark, we're looking at potential losses. Between June 2013 and January 2014, the demand just wasn't there for her like it had been before as my attendance table will demonstrate.

[MrTim212]

Any new rumours about show changes for next week?

 

 

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[SuperLove4Celine]

Any new rumours about show changes for next week?

 

 

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Yes. They are going to change the font used in the intro video! I'm so giddy with anticipation!

[actofcontrition]

Yes. They are going to change the font used in the intro video! I'm so giddy with anticipation!

 

and cut 3 songs!

[CelineDionFreak]

 

 

and cut 3 songs!

And a change a pair of shoes! And maybe a ring I heard? I'll stop now but I had to

[Bruno Portugal]

I don't want to be rude but now I don't expect any changes to the Vegas show. It's time to Celine be focused on recording a great English album and release it with a proper single and music videos.

 

 

[DionFanAlways]

Yes. They are going to change the font used in the intro video! I'm so giddy with anticipation!

and cut 3 songs!

And a change a pair of shoes! And maybe a ring I heard? I'll stop now but I had to

Sad but more than likely true.

[nuts2you]

well if this is the case I really can't see her continuing with this current show after 2019

[brendanm999]

I'm expecting changes since Celine's load in began today. Much earlier than usual.

[chocolatechip15]

Just going off what the media states - but I don't imagine it's far from reality. And once an act like her dips below that $500k mark, we're looking at potential losses. Between June 2013 and January 2014, the demand just wasn't there for her like it had been before as my attendance table will demonstrate.

 

I don't know; it just seems too high to me. If on her very best totally sold-out leg she was only making about 700K, that means there was only 200K after her salary to pay ALL the musicians, technicians, all the technology with the fancy cameras and lights and effects and everything . . how would they ever make a profit? Unless it's Caesar's who's paying her because she brings so much business in to them, and it's AEG paying for the other show costs (and then getting the profits but not having to pay Celine's salary because Caesar's is). I'm not really sure how it works. Who exactly is paying Celine??

Edited September 13, 2017 at 01:00 AM by chocolatechip15

[CelineDionFreak]

I'm expecting changes since Celine's load in began today. Much earlier than usual.

Yeah I noticed that too. Usually it's like a day or two before the shows start back. Maybe she'll rehearse some stuff from the tour in Vegas?

[brandon_vincent]

What songs do you guys hope she adds to the Vegas show!!!!!!

[SuperLove4Celine]

What songs do you guys hope she adds to the Vegas show!!!!!!

 

The full version of "That's The Way It Is," and the medley containing "Refuse To Dance" and "Love Is All We Need."

[brandon_vincent]

The full version of "That's The Way It Is," and the medley containing "Refuse To Dance" and "Love Is All We Need."

 

That's exactly what I want!!!

[brandon_vincent]

I really want to see The Colour Of My Love!!!

[actofcontrition]

The full version of "That's The Way It Is," and the medley containing "Refuse To Dance" and "Love Is All We Need."

 

Same + Love of my life at the end!

[jpatdeleon09]

There was an interview of Céline in Montreal... she said that they change a little a bit of the show... i think it's the setlist and additional visuals for the added songs.

[brendanm999]

I was informed that two legs of shows are going to be announced in the next two weeks for the spring! It looks like there's a show on Celine's birthday!

[celinedion87]

I was informed that two legs of shows are going to be announced in the next two weeks for the spring! It looks like there's a show on Celine's birthday!

 

 

Seriously ?! I m going to see Celine in march I'm waiting for the date .. I hope march 6th because it's my birthday

 

[Shamrock_1982]

She needs to update those bloody costumes first lol

[brendanm999]

 

 

 

Seriously ?! I m going to see Celine in march I'm waiting for the date .. I hope march 6th because it's my birthday

Unfortunately currently she is set to return March 27. Anything can change as there isn't much planned for March 2018 at this time. Hopefully the official announcement works in your favor! Edited September 13, 2017 at 03:14 PM by brendanm999

[MrTim212]

What songs do you guys hope she adds to the Vegas show!!!!!!

 

Full TTWII and I’m Alive... Think Twice... TCOML... RTD... LIAWN...

[brendanm999]

 

 

Full TTWII and I’m Alive... Think Twice... TCOML... RTD... LIAWN...

Definitely reasonable I hope she does add these. What day(s) are you seeing the show?

[angelil78]

Yeah I noticed that too. Usually it's like a day or two before the shows start back. Maybe she'll rehearse some stuff from the tour in Vegas?

 

Yeah noticed that as well and it gave me hopes but then he said that the rehearsals will be on Monday and Tuesday

[brandon_vincent]

Do you think she'll bring back Immortality? I was really disappointed when she cut that song