Celine Dion and recent comparison with Adele

January 3, 2016 at 07:38 PM

These were more jabs about some people here, not Celine. Go to the AMA's topic, you'll see people telling you that NBC's High Def was too high def and one should listen to the raw footage. And here people are saying that the raw footages diminish Celine's voice on Hello. Why can't we just accept Celine's voice as it is?...

Madonna is a legend, right? And you don't need a 3-octave range to have a great voice, in my opinion.

No, Madonna is an icon, not a Legend. A "legendary singer" should at least be able to know how to "sing". :wtf:

January 3, 2016 at 07:58 PM

Could we please stop (or lessen) these ad hominems?
Dismissing someone as a fan, perhaps unqualified to participate in the discussion is not really constructive.
Moreover, having diverse opinions, even opinions that seem ridiculous to (some) other, is completely sane for any discussion forum.

On the other hand, I'd rather have her do tricks like these than repeating the same auto synced medleys (so playing safe) for another 10 years.

Having diverse opinion is not the same as repeatedly making stinging remarks about Celine's voice and that is what is actually what is "unconstructive".

As far as adding different performances to the show, it doesn't have to be one thing or the other, meaning it doesn't have to be hurried decisions like with singing Hello or the "safe boring" songs. It can actually be a well thought out performance that enhances her voice and that she can ad something extra to. And singing a song currently at # 1 by another performer is never a good decision.

January 3, 2016 at 07:58 PM

And the fun fact about this performance Of Hello celine did:

If this was her first single from her new english album, nobody, absolutely nobody would care and listen to it.

It wouldn't even reach number 1 in almost every country.

Why? Because her name is Celine Dion, and for radiostations she is boring, old, not hip, married to an old man, and has helped the Titanic to sink.

Radiostations should play songs that are good, amazing. Not only because it is sung by any certain hip trending artist...

And those radio dj's fire them all and hire people with an real true own opinion.

January 3, 2016 at 10:30 PM

Having diverse opinion is not the same as repeatedly making stinging remarks about Celine's voice and that is what is actually what is "unconstructive".
As far as adding different performances to the show, it doesn't have to be one thing or the other, meaning it doesn't have to be hurried decisions like with singing Hello or the "safe boring" songs. It can actually be a well thought out performance that enhances her voice and that she can ad something extra to. And singing a song currently at # 1 by another performer is never a good decision.

"Stinging remarks" are examples of opinions too. You obviously don't agree. My advise to you: Try to refute statements by sharing better analyses or by presenting other insightful remarks.

January 3, 2016 at 10:40 PM

"Stinging remarks" are examples of opinions too. You obviously don't agree. My advise to you: Try to refute statements by sharing better analyses or by presenting other insightful remarks.

I did not ask for nor solicited your "advise". But thanks anyway. What may not be insightful to you is "insightful" and "analytical" to others. Again, your opinion. But I know the difference between a jab and an "insightful" remark. :rolleyes:

January 3, 2016 at 11:07 PM

Keep it friendly here people! Next one to continue this never ending mud throwing will get a warning. :flowers:

January 3, 2016 at 11:11 PM

Keep it friendly here people! Next one to continue this never ending mud throwing will get a warning.

How many warnings were given to the guy who said Adele is more resonant than Celine and that Hello is too versatile for her? :giggle:

I mean this must have been the worst mud throwing senario here.

Edited January 3, 2016 at 11:12 PM by LukeD

January 3, 2016 at 11:12 PM

How many warnings were given to the guy who said Adele is more resonant than Celine and that Hello is too versatile for her?

I mean this must have been the worst mud throwing senario here.

That's only for mods to know

January 3, 2016 at 11:13 PM

That's only for mods to know

Make me a mod then, once I get the info I can return to being a regular member.

January 3, 2016 at 11:46 PM

No, Madonna is an icon, not a Legend. A "legendary singer" should at least be able to know how to "sing".

Yeah, and you, unlike what most of the music experts think, think that Adele does not have a great voice...

How many warnings were given to the guy who said Adele is more resonant than Celine and that Hello is too versatile for her?
I mean this must have been the worst mud throwing senario here.

Make me a mod then, once I get the info I can return to being a regular member.

I can tell you: no warnings have been given to me. And it's completely justified in my opinion. I try to stay argumentative and try not to write personal posts which do not bring anything to the conversation.

When I've been critical to Celine, it was mostly to show that whatever arguments people here are using in the Celine vs. Adele discussion, can be used in the Celine vs. other singers too. It's not because Celine does not have the biggest range that she's not the best. Also I don't need Celine to be the best everywhere (the 'cool side', the 'range', the 'resonance').

I also think that my reply to you about how/when Celine uses or not resonance was a good answer to your post.

I also do not understand why you want Celine to be the queen of resonance now. Adele mixes in her mid/high notes giving her natural resonance. Celine goes in full voice, which is what I like about her. But it also gives her less resonance. It does not mean less good, but some songs are better sung with mixed resonant notes, because you have much more versatility when you mix.

Edited January 3, 2016 at 11:50 PM by justinecoria

January 4, 2016 at 01:29 AM

Yeah, and you, unlike what most of the music experts think, think that Adele does not have a great voice...

When I've been critical to Celine, it was mostly to show that whatever arguments people here are using in the Celine vs. Adele discussion, can be used in the Celine vs. other singers too. It's not because Celine does not have the biggest range that she's not the best. Also I don't need Celine to be the best everywhere (the 'cool side', the 'range', the 'resonance').

I also think that my reply to you about how/when Celine uses or not resonance was a good answer to your post.
I also do not understand why you want Celine to be the queen of resonance now. Adele mixes in her mid/high notes giving her natural resonance. Celine goes in full voice, which is what I like about her. But it also gives her less resonance. It does not mean less good, but some songs are better sung with mixed resonant notes, because you have much more versatility when you mix.

Just stop. Your comments show nothing but ignorance. Your previous answer to me was a fail which is why I stopped replying and taking you seriously.

Since you replied to me again I'll go through all your points:

1.EVERY female singer (not just Adele) mixes above a certain point in order to belt out notes, since pure chest voice ends in the 4th octave for them.

2.There is NO such thing as natural resonance. Resonance is achieved when the voice is properly placed, aka when singers sing through the diaphragm.

3.Going full voice does NOT reduce the amount of resonance. Celine is in full voice in the final note of Imagine and the resonance is there.

4.I never said, nor implied Celine is the Queen of resonance because she is NOT. I merely stated she is more resonant than Adele in high notes. Which is a FACT.

Edited January 4, 2016 at 01:30 AM by LukeD

January 4, 2016 at 01:54 AM

I'm just sat here wondering what the fudge resonance is...

January 4, 2016 at 02:09 AM

I'm just sat here wondering what the fudge resonance is...

Yeah I don't know but how can I get it because it sounds unobtainable to some..... :giggle:

January 4, 2016 at 02:12 AM

Just stop. Your comments show nothing but ignorance. Your previous answer to me was a fail which is why I stopped replying and taking you seriously.

Since you replied to me again I'll go through all your points:

1.EVERY female singer (not just Adele) mixes above a certain point in order to belt out notes, since pure chest voice ends in the 4th octave for them.

2.There is NO such thing as natural resonance. Resonance is achieved when the voice is properly placed, aka when singers sing through the diaphragm.

3.Going full voice does NOT reduce the amount of resonance. Celine is in full voice in the final note of Imagine and the resonance is there.

4.I never said, nor implied Celine is the Queen of resonance because she is NOT. I merely stated she is more resonant than Adele in high notes. Which is a FACT.

It's not because you said I'm ignorant that I am.

You should know there's different types of voices, and some types of voices cannot do what the others can. Does not mean they're worse.

1. Obviously.

2. Position of the larynx is key too. And this is mostly how Celine plays with resonance. TPOL gives you tons of example how for the same note, she can sing it with neutral larynx and more resonance or with high larynx and pinched notes. And this is how she wants to sing it.

3. In the Imagine note, she just sings her lungs out. She can catch this ONE AND ONLY note perfectly, which is why resonance is attained. Charice used to do that a lot too. The problem with full voice is versatility. You see it on the very very last note of TPOL's live versions when Celine tries to modulate. It's not easy to switch notes when you're at full voice close to your limit.

4. On notes that Adele cannot reach, yeah of course Celine is more resonant... In songs like 'Hello', (Once again if Celine sings the song note for note), I cannot imagine Celine being more resonant than Adele. And there are those little modulations 'from the other siIIiiIiiIIiiide' that Celine has problems doing. And I don't mind. Same when Celine had the catfight with Aretha. Aretha could modulate, but was no match for Celine's sheer power.

We can disagree on stuff. But there's no point in calling me ignorant, really! Just look at the comments on Celine's Hello in Youtube. They just show the points I've been telling here since the beginning. Are most of the posters there really that ignorant too?

Edited January 4, 2016 at 02:24 AM by justinecoria

January 4, 2016 at 02:26 AM

You know the worst thing is about Celine covering Hello is that we now have two active threads on her forum debating Adele/Celine. No disrespect to anyone on here who is a fan, but I don't want to come here and read about Adele on every thread. I'm sure I offended someone, it's just getting real boring for us non Adele fans.

January 4, 2016 at 02:29 AM

Just stop. Your comments show nothing but ignorance. Your previous answer to me was a fail which is why I stopped replying and taking you seriously.

Since you replied to me again I'll go through all your points:

1.EVERY female singer (not just Adele) mixes above a certain point in order to belt out notes, since pure chest voice ends in the 4th octave for them.

2.There is NO such thing as natural resonance. Resonance is achieved when the voice is properly placed, aka when singers sing through the diaphragm.

3.Going full voice does NOT reduce the amount of resonance. Celine is in full voice in the final note of Imagine and the resonance is there.

4.I never said, nor implied Celine is the Queen of resonance because she is NOT. I merely stated she is more resonant than Adele in high notes. Which is a FACT.

/End of thread.

January 4, 2016 at 02:40 AM

You know the worst thing is about Celine covering Hello is that we now have two active threads on her forum debating Adele/Celine. No disrespect to anyone on here who is a fan, but I don't want to come here and read about Adele on every thread. I'm sure I offended someone, it's just getting real boring for us non Adele fans.

exactly, I agree, this is a Celine forum.

Maybe the Adele related topics could be moved to the Off Topic section. :glissant:

Edited January 4, 2016 at 02:41 AM by Brandon

January 4, 2016 at 02:47 AM

Yes END of thread cannot agree more

January 4, 2016 at 02:55 AM

Hell Ive mention that a couple of pages ago,

January 4, 2016 at 03:40 AM

i've heard that the nasa was supposed to send another sonde in space in hope that some extraterrestrials would catch it, containing what's best in the world: Mozart music, the Mona lisa , some greek's sculpture etc, and Celine's voice but after this they will change it for Adele. that's the way it is.

January 4, 2016 at 04:58 AM

It seems as though people are still debating Céline's cover of "Hello" on this forum and the media is as well. There at least five links about her rendition on AOL and there were two links on Comcast. Like or dislike her version but she is in the news

January 4, 2016 at 05:04 AM

I think everyone needs to go to bed. It's a school night!!

January 4, 2016 at 11:28 AM

It's not because you said I'm ignorant that I am.
You should know there's different types of voices, and some types of voices cannot do what the others can. Does not mean they're worse.

1. Obviously.

2. Position of the larynx is key too. And this is mostly how Celine plays with resonance. TPOL gives you tons of example how for the same note, she can sing it with neutral larynx and more resonance or with high larynx and pinched notes. And this is how she wants to sing it.

3. In the Imagine note, she just sings her lungs out. She can catch this ONE AND ONLY note perfectly, which is why resonance is attained. Charice used to do that a lot too. The problem with full voice is versatility. You see it on the very very last note of TPOL's live versions when Celine tries to modulate. It's not easy to switch notes when you're at full voice close to your limit.

4. On notes that Adele cannot reach, yeah of course Celine is more resonant... In songs like 'Hello', (Once again if Celine sings the song note for note), I cannot imagine Celine being more resonant than Adele. And there are those little modulations 'from the other siIIiiIiiIIiiide' that Celine has problems doing. And I don't mind. Same when Celine had the catfight with Aretha. Aretha could modulate, but was no match for Celine's sheer power.

We can disagree on stuff. But there's no point in calling me ignorant, really! Just look at the comments on Celine's Hello in Youtube. They just show the points I've been telling here since the beginning. Are most of the posters there really that ignorant too?

LOL

1.Celine did NOT sing TPOL with a high larynx. An example of this would be the high not in ABM or RDMH. Move on!

2.So now you are saying Adele cannot reach certain high notes when before you posted TWICE that Adele is more resonant than Celine in high notes. Do you see the contradiction? Celine has many songs with the same range of Hello, Us is the best example. Celine has a more resonant, aka powerful voice than Adele, it all begins with the fact that Celine's voice is twice the size.

3.The vast majority of people commenting on Hello are ignorants too, thinking the queen of power ballads can't pull off a simple song like Hello. Too bad Celine's bad performance adds to their arguments. But this was because it was a bad day, not because Celine lacks the skills to sing the song.

Edited January 4, 2016 at 11:29 AM by LukeD

January 4, 2016 at 11:59 AM

Hello, c'est moi

January 4, 2016 at 12:06 PM

Hello, c'est moi

IMO she should have sang this song, especially for Scott

https://youtu.be/N3stU1TRQZw

:lmao:

January 4, 2016 at 12:42 PM

IMO she should have sang this song, especially for Scott

https://youtu.be/N3stU1TRQZw

Thanks, now I can't get this out of my head :kicking: "Hello, Mego, I'm calling you again...." :whistling: "Take it easy, I'm only teasing!"

January 4, 2016 at 03:31 PM

Every day when I go to work I hear Adele's "Hello" played on the radio about 18 times before I go home. I'm SICK of it!

When that song first came out it was all over Facebook and Twitter and I avoided it. It wasn't until she went on SNL that I first heard it and I didn't find anything special about it. It tends to go nowhere. I like a song that builds. "Hello" peaks in it's first act and just keeps repeating until it's over.

I also am not impressed with Adele's voice. There's very little range to it. A lot of the notes she hits is grating to my ears.

Celine's version of "Hello" wasn't great but I enjoy her voice more. Someone else who has covered Adele with far more range is LeAnn Rimes.

https://youtu.be/Q9FRpJsRxSQ

January 4, 2016 at 03:47 PM

LOL

1.Celine did NOT sing TPOL with a high larynx. An example of this would be the high not in ABM or RDMH. Move on!

2.So now you are saying Adele cannot reach certain high notes when before you posted TWICE that Adele is more resonant than Celine in high notes. Do you see the contradiction? Celine has many songs with the same range of Hello, Us is the best example. Celine has a more resonant, aka powerful voice than Adele, it all begins with the fact that Celine's voice is twice the size.

3.The vast majority of people commenting on Hello are ignorants too, thinking the queen of power ballads can't pull off a simple song like Hello. Too bad Celine's bad performance adds to their arguments. But this was because it was a bad day, not because Celine lacks the skills to sing the song.

1. How does Celine have that 'goat' voice ('your ladyyyyy') in TPOL then? (I'm not saying 'goat' in a bad way. I love it, I just think it's easier to understand what I'm saying)

2. I really do not see a contradiction. Adele does not have Celine's range. If you choose a note that Adele cannot reach, then yeah Celine is more everything on that note. One contradiction would be you admitting Celine is not the queen of resonance, and then saying that resonance is automatic when your voice is correctly placed. Does this mean that Celine is so much off tune??

And no, resonance does not have to do anything with range. Tons of singers sing higher notes than Celine in a complete awful non-resonant way.

3. Once again, Celine is the best at reaching ONE note in full voice and sustaining it. That's how she attains resonance, even in Us. In 'Hello' there are modulations that are way easier done when you mix your voice a little. I'm not saying Celine cannot do it, but Adele does it with a deeper and more resonant voice.

Also so many excuses of 'bad days' of Celine from the fans here. How come MHWGO was great that day? Celine IS the queen of ballads, but a spinto soprano cannot do everything better than what a good dark mezzo soprano can do. Sorry. It doesn't mean I'm criticizing Celine. I'm just accepting her for what she is. I know she cannot sing 'Emotions' by Mariah Carey, which is completely fine for me. She's still the best.

Edited January 4, 2016 at 03:50 PM by justinecoria

January 4, 2016 at 04:07 PM

1. How does Celine have that 'goat' voice ('your ladyyyyy') in TPOL then? (I'm not saying 'goat' in a bad way. I love it, I just think it's easier to understand what I'm saying)

2. I really do not see a contradiction. Adele does not have Celine's range. If you choose a note that Adele cannot reach, then yeah Celine is more everything on that note. One contradiction would be you admitting Celine is not the queen of resonance, and then saying that resonance is automatic when your voice is correctly placed. Does this mean that Celine is so much off tune??
And no, resonance does not have to do anything with range. Tons of singers sing higher notes than Celine in a complete awful non-resonant way.

3. Once again, Celine is the best at reaching ONE note in full voice and sustaining it. That's how she attains resonance, even in Us. In 'Hello' there are modulations that are way easier done when you mix your voice a little. I'm not saying Celine cannot do it, but Adele does it with a deeper and more resonant voice.
Also so many excuses of 'bad days' of Celine from the fans here. How come MHWGO was great that day? Celine IS the queen of ballads, but a spinto soprano cannot do everything better than what a good dark mezzo soprano can do. Sorry. It doesn't mean I'm criticizing Celine. I'm just accepting her for what she is. I know she cannot sing 'Emotions' by Mariah Carey, which is completely fine for me. She's still the best.

you win

January 4, 2016 at 05:17 PM

IMO she should have sang this song, especially for Scott

https://youtu.be/N3stU1TRQZw

I just about died! Thanks for the laugh!

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