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garçon Newbie

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I once watched a performance by Celine where she lips this song and overdubbed vocals come in and she struggles and it's very different kind of experience

 

Sorry, but that was completely live for as far as I'm concerned. Please present some convincing evidence before making such a statement.

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Like this message if you agree this was 100% live. :)

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Timster Newbie

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeVAQaEPW4U

 

Like this message if you agree this was 100% live. :)

 

I have always been suspicious of this performance. I believe they used outtakes from the original recording session to produce this as a playback. IMO the only real 100% live performance of The Reason in the original key is that from the Royal Variety Performance 1997.

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Let's go, second attempt...

 

http://i59.tinypic.com/v6lwdt.jpg

 

OK< i desperately need this perfomance, Dawn! :) Do you have this? I lost it somewhere. Oh please! :innocent:

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tonybower Newbie

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Please tell me The Reason was live at the Lottery... I always remember watching this and being so excited cause it was live. I didn't even question it!

 

Also, surely it was live during the Divas concert??

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Timster Newbie

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Please tell me The Reason was live at the Lottery... I always remember watching this and being so excited cause it was live. I didn't even question it!

 

Also, surely it was live during the Divas concert??

 

Yes it was live at Divas 98, but it was not in the original key. From Divas onwards, it was always performed 1 semitone lower than the original, including the LTAL tour and the 2011 Vegas playback.

Caledor Newbie

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That's the album version.

 

That's exactly what I thought !

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OK< i desperately need this perfomance, Dawn! :) Do you have this? I lost it somewhere. Oh please! :innocent:

 

Thanks to dawn, you can now watch the performance on my Facebook site!:

 

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Timster Newbie

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Thanks to dawn, you can now watch the performance on my Facebook site!:

 

 

Thanks for the video! Never seen this before.

 

However, contrary to what was said on the previous page, this was not a live performance. I believe it is an edited version of the album track.

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incognito Newbie

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Thanks for the video! Never seen this before.

 

However, contrary to what was said on the previous page, this was not a live performance. I believe it is an edited version of the album track.

 

It's been 19 years since I saw this and I was a kid at the time. I sure misremembered it. :) But I knew what she was wearing at least lol

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Timster Newbie

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It's been 19 years since I saw this and I was a kid at the time. I sure misremembered it. :) But I knew what she was wearing at least lol

 

Sure I totally understand. :thumbsup2:

 

I believe the only live performances we have of FIY are San Remo & Brunei.

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garçon Newbie

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I have always been suspicious of this performance. I believe they used outtakes from the original recording session to produce this as a playback. IMO the only real 100% live performance of The Reason in the original key is that from the Royal Variety Performance 1997.

 

This sounds very unlikely. Since you agree the vocals are different from the album version, this would imply a new version of the song was produced, taking takes from the original LTAL sessions as starting point. All just for this single television appearance.

Then why not lipped the whole song, just like she had done previously and was about to do many times after?

Besides, this supposed 'practice' of combining original studio-material with live performance would be unique and unprecedented. The other, regular lip tracks were produced from live performances or (live) rehearsals.

 

I don't want to sound too fanatic, but perhaps she just had a good day and actually performed the song really well, matching the standard of the studio recording.

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tonybower Newbie

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I was thinking the same... Why would they create a prerecorded version for her to lip for this performance only to use the album recording on all other performances at the time?

 

I'm not saying it's not possible but I was always convinced this was live.

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The Power Of Love (several versions) - Céline Dion

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In Some Small Way - Céline Dion

Bird Gerhl - Antony & the Johnsons

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ryba Enthusiast

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We have a similar case with the very first performance of LMBTL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrGZKyATYJs Its oviously the changed studio recording, and it was never used again afterwards. Afterwards they always used the normal album version as playback Edited by ryba
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CelinesDIVO5 Enthusiast

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We have a similar case with the very first performance of LMBTL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrGZKyATYJs Its oviously the changed studio recording, and it was never used again afterwards. Afterwards they always used the normal album version as playback

 

This is not that comparable to "The Reason" at National Lottery. While the differences in this performance of LMBTL are noticeable, they're minimal. Celine's lead vocal track hasn't been changed at all (aside from not fading out that one note at the end of the bridge), which is what the debate is here for "The Reason" which I personally don't think is what happened. That would have cost too much money and been too much trouble for one performance. I believe Celine did that one live.

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Timster Newbie

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This sounds very unlikely. Since you agree the vocals are different from the album version, this would imply a new version of the song was produced, taking takes from the original LTAL sessions as starting point. All just for this single television appearance.

Then why not lipped the whole song, just like she had done previously and was about to do many times after?

Besides, this supposed 'practice' of combining original studio-material with live performance would be unique and unprecedented. The other, regular lip tracks were produced from live performances or (live) rehearsals.

 

I don't want to sound too fanatic, but perhaps she just had a good day and actually performed the song really well, matching the standard of the studio recording.

 

1. I'm not saying I'm 100% sure, but to me the vocals and mixing are just too perfect for a live performance. I hope to be proven wrong.

 

2. I'm not saying they combined studio and live vocals, I'm saying the entire performance was lipped.

 

3. Celine's 'regular' lipped tracks are all recorded in a studio. They are not taken from live performances. The only time this happened was on the CBS Woman In Me Special & An Audience With, where audio was taken from the Live in Las Vegas DVD.

 

4. Celine has recorded other tracks in studio for one-off performances: Simply The Best, If I Can Dream & The Greatest Love Of All.

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Sure I totally understand. :thumbsup2:

 

I believe the only live performances we have of FIY are San Remo & Brunei.

She also sang it live in a french TV show, "Le Monde est à Vous" (she sang "All by Myself" the same day, but that ont was lipped !) ;)

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I have always been suspicious of this performance. I believe they used outtakes from the original recording session to produce this as a playback. IMO the only real 100% live performance of The Reason in the original key is that from the Royal Variety Performance 1997.

 

I've always believed this one to be live. And I don't care if I'm wrong lol

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I think The Reason on the lottery was live. She definitely lipped it on the "Smash Hits" lame concert show thing during the same trip. But then sang it live during the Royal Variety. It was all during the same promo trip. If the lottery wasn't live then surely she would have used the same "lipped" track during the Smash Hits thing? She didn't!
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garçon Newbie

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1. I'm not saying I'm 100% sure, but to me the vocals and mixing are just too perfect for a live performance. I hope to be proven wrong.

 

2. I'm not saying they combined studio and live vocals, I'm saying the entire performance was lipped.

 

3. Celine's 'regular' lipped tracks are all recorded in a studio. They are not taken from live performances. The only time this happened was on the CBS Woman In Me Special & An Audience With, where audio was taken from the Live in Las Vegas DVD.

 

4. Celine has recorded other tracks in studio for one-off performances: Simply The Best, If I Can Dream & The Greatest Love Of All.

 

Ok, well:

1. Saying it was too perfect to be true to me is kind of a bad argumentation. Again, I don't want to be too fanatic, but most likely she was just exceptionally fit that day...and could match the same standard as on the studio recordings. Taking these sessions into consideration, we've all seen the clear and powerful performances in the studio. If she was well capable of pulling it off there, then why not the night of the lottery performance?

 

2. I know The Reason track really well.. the first verse of the lottery performance must have been live cause the pronunciation is different from the album track. It makes no sense to single out a brief part of the sessions to offer just a slightly different interpretation of the first verse. Why bother that much for just one quite low profile appearance in a regular show?

 

3. Frankly, we don't know how the lion's share of her live-lip-tracks were recorded. To me, it seems likely that they were recorded during rehearsals.

 

4. We know from the isolated performances that you mention that these were recorded separately and especially in the studio for the purpose of that single appearance. Some were afterwards released. The objective for these recordings was completely different.

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Sure I totally understand. :thumbsup2:

 

I believe the only live performances we have of FIY are San Remo & Brunei.

 

And also this one :)

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rhapsodion Rookie

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That's the album version.

 

Agree, definitely not live. After all these years, fans could easily distinguish celine's live voice and studio voice. Even during her TPOL era, when her voice was top shape and could sing the song as perfect as the studio version, u could still tell when she is live or not.

 

The so called "pre-recorded" version used here is simply cut and paste, without any new addition of arrangements. Similar technique has been used numerous times, more often in europe i don't know why. Goodbye's the saddest word also had a cut and paste shorter version for tv performances.

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celine4evauk Newbie

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I was thinking the same... Why would they create a prerecorded version for her to lip for this performance only to use the album recording on all other performances at the time?

 

I'm not saying it's not possible but I was always convinced this was live.

 

I agree. At 0.45 you can hear its live by the way she sings "the reason". And like you (and others) have said, why use a track for just this tv show and then mime to the album track at the smash hits pollwinners party pop concert? Surely they'd use this one again as it would sound better in an arena!

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incognito Newbie

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I agree. At 0.45 you can hear its live by the way she sings "the reason". And like you (and others) have said, why use a track for just this tv show and then mime to the album track at the smash hits pollwinners party pop concert? Surely they'd use this one again as it would sound better in an arena!

 

The lottery was live. And it shouldn't be so shocking that she for real sounds that amazing live. There's a reason she's so successful. It's because she sings better than anyone else. Of course sometimes she doesn't sing live, sometimes she sings live and it sounds off but sometimes....when she's good she's better than amazing!!!

 

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