"Courage" album - Official Topic

[ryba]

I‘d rather have a few solid songs that are English versions of her French songs than original English songs that are pure filler materIal.

 

I must say that I adore the 3 English versions that were included on FIY! I don’t know is a masterpiece!

[ryba]

 

 

 

 

The problem of songs not having a real solid bridge and climax counts for 99% of all the songs that are released nowadays! Unfortunately it's not in fashion anymore. And songs aren't longer than 3 minutes, cos people's concentration span isn't long enough anymore. It is real sad, but generally speaking, I don't think we will ever get the quality of pre 2010.

 

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yes, that’s true. But I wish Celine would just go out there and record an album full of songs in the 90s style, regardless of what the standards today are. She could be the one who brings the 90s songs back and serves real quality music again. I would love that! I kind of hope for that with the new movie soundtrack.

[ryba]

. Edited November 19, 2022 at 10:21 AM by ryba

[sarit_celine]

This: a spiritual experience.

 

Almost each song Celine had in the 90's was iconic and memorable and I could connect to it deeply from the first listening.

That's because Celine fought to be the best singer in the world.

For the next album they should turn around every stone and find amazing compositions before anything else.

[sarit_celine]

Though no doubt AND is the last album with the golden voice of Celine.

[ryba]

This: a spiritual experience.

 

Almost each song Celine had in the 90's was iconic and memorable and I could connect to it deeply from the first listening.

That's because Celine fought to be the best singer in the world.

For the next album they should turn around every stone and find amazing compositions before anything else.

yeah, right? I feel like her 90s material is food for the soul

[isurrender]

We can simply admit that we are getting old, stuck in years 3 decades ago and what made an impression on us is our teenage years ( the defining period just like for every human being?).

 

I think her 90s stuff has the sound of their time ( especially the first 3 albums), some are full with fillers, overproduced and lyrics are cringy for most of them. What marked that decade was more memorable songs and a more consistent voice. But certainly not the inner quality (which is not defined by her voice only) of the songs themselves over the decade.

 

I remember vividly when Courage was work in progress, everyone wished there was no cover... haha as long as I don't like courage, I think it's unfair not to bring this up.

 

Overall, I don't see the point of comparing things from 25+ years apart , like nothing has ever evolved/changed in between. But some really like to take things out of context. Taking for exemple HDAMLF as a song to define current Céline's period is WTF to me...

I take ASHES ( and probably even HDAMLF) over WIFIL big times...

To be totally honest, even over BYLM... I had never been a big fan of that song but I completely lost interest when I heard "I turn to you" ( Aguilera, same writer). i think both singers could have done the same job on both songs.

ASHES and HDAMLF have more vocal personnality.

[ryba]

We can simply admit that we are getting old, stuck in years 3 decades ago and what made an impression on us is our teenage years ( the defining period just like for every human being?).

 

I think her 90s stuff has the sound of their time ( especially the first 3 albums), some are full with fillers, overproduced and lyrics are cringy for most of them. What marked that decade was more memorable songs and a more consistent voice. But certainly not the inner quality (which is not defined by her voice only) of the songs themselves over the decade.

 

I remember vividly when Courage was work in progress, everyone wished there was no cover... haha as long as I don't like courage, I think it's unfair not to bring this up.

 

Overall, I don't see the point of comparing things from 25+ years apart , like nothing has ever evolved/changed in between. But some really like to take things out of context. Taking for exemple HDAMLF as a song to define current Céline's period is WTF to me...

I take ASHES ( and probably even HDAMLF) over WIFIL big times...

To be totally honest, even over BYLM... I had never been a big fan of that song but I completely lost interest when I heard "I turn to you" ( Aguilera, same writer). i think both singers could have done the same job on both songs.

ASHES and HDAMLF have more vocal personnality.

the point I was making was about the quality of the songs, not the period of the 90s itself.

[AdrienneM]

the point I was making was about the quality of the songs, not the period of the 90s itself.

 

I think you missed their point. The idea of loving the 90s material and seeing it as the pinnacle of her musical output is rooted in that fact that you grew up with it, and as a teenager it’s what impacted you the most and you became accustomed and used to that. It’s the case with every generation. Every generation thinks their music was the best music- a lot of people who were kids or grew up in the 80s don’t like 70s or 90s music unless it’s a specific genre, same thing goes for the 90s kids, many of them don’t like anything past the early 2000s because that’s when music started to change from what they’d been accustomed to and enjoyed and grew up on, to something different. It’s natural and it’s how society progresses. There are a lot of people who are fans of hers who grew up in the vegas into TC era, and see Taking Chances, D’elles and that whole era as her greatest era musically and commercially- no one’s right or wrong, it’s a matter of societal change. I’m sure what you might say is bad production or songwriting for some of the songs from Courage or LMBTL, others might think is far better than most of her 90s album tracks (we can all be honest here; most of Celines English music has never been lyrically impressive, and production-wise have aged like milk). I for one, think her first 3 English albums are predominantly filler aside from the singles and maybe 2 or 3 album tracks, most with poor songwriting and very aged production, where as others, if that’s the era they were introduced to Celine in and grew up on, might see them as her best. It’s all relative.

[sarit_celine]

yeah, right? I feel like her 90s material is food for the soul

 

Yes indeed.

 

Overall, to me it feels that after One Heart Celine lost direction with her music career.

 

Sadly enough I never had deeply connection to songs like Ashes or HDAMLF.

The magic that combines soul and unique singing approach isn't there for me. Something doesn't work.

Not every song should have those big belt notes, for example the way she sings the verses on MHWGO

are mesmerizing to me, I love the bedroom vocals lol.

 

I love a lot "How did you get here", and it took me two years to put Lying down on repeat.

I hope she will work with a producer that will not allow her to use any auto-tune.

Behind all that hides her lovely raw vocals.

She can be edgy but must bring in her unique Celinsh thouch.

[PuraVida]

I like HDAMLF lol. And I think she has had great English songs over the last 25 years, for sure! It's just there were a few clunkers too--which is normal for any artist. And, besides her pronuciation issues on songs and the vocal "croak/yodel" thing she does, I basically have never had a problem with her voice even up to now. Edited November 19, 2022 at 04:35 PM by PuraVida

[smw]

It's fascinating to watch the Taking Chances sessions now... especially the parts with Kara. She really took her time to get excellent vocals / great pronunciation out of Celine. Very much like David Foster did back in the day. I had forgotten how particular Kara was. Wish we had more producers like that on Courage. At the 20:20 mark:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik1Sdgm7I9A&t=816s

 

And I also love how at the 29:00 mark they talk about how Celine's voice is too powerful for technology at that time. I wish that little clip would go viral because it's epic.

Edited November 25, 2022 at 09:15 PM by smw

[Del]

Today when I was out and about I went into a store to get items on sale. As I'm looking for the items, I stop as I hear something familiar. Lovers Never Die was playing.

 

It's always a pleasant surprise when I hear Céline in the stores.

 

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[AdrienneM]

I’ve always found the Kara clip to be completely counter-intuitive… borderline hypocritical. She talks about how Sinatra would interpret things completely different to a songwriter and make their head spin, and how Celine does a similar thing…. But then insists she sings it with the *exact* same phrasing down to letter emphasis the way she would. So how exactly is that a different interpretation lol? What she means is “she’ll interpret it the way I want her to”- which is why, despite loving it for vocal and lyrical reasons, I’ve always felt it was the most disingenuous feeling song- there’s no Celine in there in any way shape or form. Not even an emotional connection. Funny how her words contradict her actions. Just a little thing I’ve come to realise over the years after watching it again and again.

[ryba]

. Edited November 26, 2022 at 02:43 PM by ryba

[ryba]

I’ve always found the Kara clip to be completely counter-intuitive… borderline hypocritical. She talks about how Sinatra would interpret things completely different to a songwriter and make their head spin, and how Celine does a similar thing…. But then insists she sings it with the *exact* same phrasing down to letter emphasis the way she would. So how exactly is that a different interpretation lol? What she means is “she’ll interpret it the way I want her to”- which is why, despite loving it for vocal and lyrical reasons, I’ve always felt it was the most disingenuous feeling song- there’s no Celine in there in any way shape or form. Not even an emotional connection. Funny how her words contradict her actions. Just a little thing I’ve come to realise over the years after watching it again and again.

I totally agree. Also, she was quite rude towards Celine. Funny how Celine never recorded any song by her after that. I also find it extremely honourable how respectful Celine was about that situation in the short interview segment, although she certainly felt different about it. Edited November 26, 2022 at 02:58 PM by ryba

[smw]

I agree with the comments about Kara. She wasn't the most charming person during those sessions.

But I still admire how Kara got strong vocals out of Celine.

[sarit_celine]

I agree with the comments about Kara. She wasn't the most charming person during those sessions.

But I still admire how Kara got strong vocals out of Celine.

 

Those sessions are breath taking. Too bad there wasn't any from Courage.

[LukeD]

Interesting, contested views...

 

To me Courage is by far her strongest album since ANDHC which was almost perfect. I can still easily listen to almost all songs from it, on repeat. They're easy to consume, catchy melodies, lyrics on point, not too lengthy. 👌🏻 I agree her diction was not good, and the "bedroom-voice" needs to return to the bedroom where it belongs and be put to sleep! But that's about it. Other than that, I have no complaints whatsoever. I'm a happy fan 😀

Edited November 27, 2022 at 11:49 PM by LukeD

[PuraVida]

I wonder if Kara was in the studio for the recording of One Heart, because she wrote that too. If she was, then I think Celine liked her enough to work with her again (two songs on Taking Chances).

[ryba]

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I wonder if Kara was in the studio for the recording of One Heart, because she wrote that too. If she was, then I think Celine liked her enough to work with her again (two songs on Taking Chances).

yes, and then Kara messed up during SS and their collaboration was over lol. She never worked with her again after that. But at least she gave us 3 great songs.

 

I would love to see footage from recording the OH album. There is certainly footage in the vaults. They gave us a glimpse into IDAN and HYEBIL on the bonus CD in 2004.

Edited December 3, 2022 at 10:30 AM by ryba

[smw]

If there ever were a time to do a campaign for Celine’s music to hit #1, this is it. A small gesture from her fans to make her smile.

 

All the big Celine channels out there like Celine Oracle could lead the way. #CourageForCeline

 

Make Courage - the album - go to #1. Or at least trend.

 

Might be tough with holiday music competition. But there’s a lot of love out there for Celine right now.

 

Edited December 9, 2022 at 05:56 PM by smw

[CourageCeline]

Yes! I love the idea!! Amidst all what is happening we all need courage. I know people would love to do this as a token of gratitude for Céline.

 

[Chantemoi]

If there ever were a time to do a campaign for Celine’s music to hit #1, this is it. A small gesture from her fans to make her smile.

 

All the big Celine channels out there like Celine Oracle could lead the way. #CourageForCeline

 

Make Courage - the album - go to #1. Or at least trend.

 

Might be tough with holiday music competition. But there’s a lot of love out there for Celine right now.

 

Does anyone else think “The Hard Way “ would be great for this idea?

[CourageCeline]

I vote for "Say Yes"!

[smw]

Getting #MyHeartWillGoOn to trend would probably be easiest to catch on.

[Állex Sodi]

Getting #MyHeartWillGoOn to trend would probably be easiest to catch on.

 

It kinda already is. It’s popping up a lot in my TikTok. To bad that is only instrumental.

[isurrender]

I've heard tonight "for the lover that I lost" by Sam Smith.

 

I hated this song when Courage was released but after hearing Sam's , I gave it another listen.

 

And I absolutely ...love it now!

 

I think Sam's version is too "mannered" ...this is typically another Sam Smith songs.

 

I like more the simpler Céline's approach ... ( and the last airy under-toned "so I lay a dozen roses for the lover that I lost, I stand by my choices even though I paid the cost" is REALLY beautiful").

[Loup_garou]

SNEP's (France) newest music certifications

- Courage (album) - PLATINUM (100,000 units)

 

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[smw]

SNEP's (France) newest music certifications

- Courage (album) - PLATINUM (100,000 units)

 

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Yay!