"Courage" album - Official Topic

[donpi86]

What's the topic again?

 

I think is something about a new album that rumours said it was coming on fall 2017, then spring 2018 and finally january 2019 with songs recorded on early 2017 #historyrepeating

 

hehe

[Ronny83]

 

 

I think is something about a new album that rumours said it was coming on fall 2017, then spring 2018 and finally january 2019 with songs recorded on early 2017 #historyrepeating

 

hehe

 

You hit the spot: the problem is that the tracks she recorded early this year will sound already "old" next year. Music goes faster than 5 years ago.

[Bruno Portugal]

I still believe we'll be surprised. The new English album will come sooner than expected.

Celine is a trooper and she's recording...

[CSCfan]

On FaceTime from her car..

[Javito]

You hit the spot: the problem is that the tracks she recorded early this year will sound already "old" next year. Music goes faster than 5 years ago.

 

Don't remind us... :pinch: That's what happened with LMBTL, and I think they're repeating the same story with this album again. An old-fashioned album even before its release

 

Either that or she will come with a duet with an artist she has fangirled or her so long wished duet with Adele... but that ship for Adele's fever sailed years ago now.

[isurrender]

 

 

You hit the spot: the problem is that the tracks she recorded early this year will sound already "old" next year. Music goes faster than 5 years ago.

 

Well, a good song is supposed to pass the test of time.

 

For junk songs, you have Rihanna (and so many more).

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

Don't remind us... :pinch: That's what happened with LMBTL, and I think they're repeating the same story with this album again. An old-fashioned album even before its release

 

Either that or she will come with a duet with an artist she has fangirled or her so long wished duet with Adele... but that ship for Adele's fever sailed years ago now.

 

I think the only songs on LMBTL that didn't fit were the Vegas covers. Everything else sounded current, and I think the song LMBTL has held up pretty well over the last 4 years.

[scielle]

Well, a good song is supposed to pass the test of time.

 

For junk songs, you have Rihanna (and so many more).

 

Amen.

If she's recording something that'll sound dated in a year's time, she shouldn't be recording it at all.

[Javito]

I think the only songs on LMBTL that didn't fit were the Vegas covers. Everything else sounded current, and I think the song LMBTL has held up pretty well over the last 4 years.

 

I think SLS and Save Your Sould sounded already dated when they came out. And the "olympic" duet with Ne-Yo... That ship had sailed years ago with Ne-Yo

 

But yeah LMBTL was (thankfully) the only pop song that sounded current when the album came out. Thank God Sia was there for Céline in this album.

[Shamrock_1982]

Water and a flame could have been a hit if given the chance of a cool video and aggressive promotion although it's a cover, I think Cekine's take on the song is much better.

 

I nearly fell off the sofa when I heard it being played in the background of a scene in eastenders lol.

[Ronny83]

Amen.

If she's recording something that'll sound dated in a year's time, she shouldn't be recording it at all.

 

Every old Céline song sounds dated today, even the most beautiful ones. I still love many songs from The Colour of My Love, Céline Dion, A New Day Has Come, One Heart, but we can't say they sound "current". That's not what we hear on the radio today, although they're still great songs. It's a question of arrangement and production, it's not about how "beautiful" the song is.

[Davey84]

 

 

Every old Céline song sounds dated today, even the most beautiful ones. I still love many songs from The Colour of My Love, Céline Dion, A New Day Has Come, One Heart, but we can't say they sound "current". That's not what we hear on the radio today, although they're still great songs. It's a question of arrangement and production, it's not about how "beautiful" the song is.

 

Some might not sound current, but most of them sound timeless to me. A great song is a great song, no matter if it's from 1990, 1993, 11999, 2003 whatever... if the emotion of the song still gets you after xx years, then it's timeless

 

And I think the reason that they are timeless, is that they weren't trying to record 'current' songs back then. Céline has always been the odd ball in the pop music industry.

[Ronny83]

Some might not sound current, but most of them sound timeless to me. A great song is a great song, no matter if it's from 1990, 1993, 11999, 2003 whatever... if the emotion of the song still gets you after xx years, then it's timeless

 

And I think the reason that they are timeless, is that they weren't trying to record 'current' songs back then. Céline has always been the odd ball in the pop music industry.

 

Well, she already has "timeless" songs, as you said. What she needs now is a Cher's 'Believe'-like music renaissance.

[HushNow]

I think SLS and Save Your Sould sounded already dated when they came out. And the "olympic" duet with Ne-Yo... That ship had sailed years ago with Ne-Yo

 

But yeah LMBTL was (thankfully) the only pop song that sounded current when the album came out. Thank God Sia was there for Céline in this album.

 

Haha sorry but if those songs you name sound dated to you, then really every single thing Celine did is dated by now. Then One Heart and ANDHC are big big jokes and every uptempo song from the 90's is trash.

 

Loved Me Back To Life was absolutely fine. She never sounded more 'current' as on that album.

And I don't believe that songs like Somebody Loves Somebody are made to be so current, but simply because it'd suit her very much.

 

Also the Vegas covers did fit fine. It's only because of that concept change (from a very lousy 50/50 concept to a nice current album cause her albums don't need concepts like that) that people here are (still) prejudiced that it doesn't fit... but is that really true?

I think At Seventeen, Overjoyed and How Do You Keep The Music Playing bring a very nice balance to the album. HDYKTMP is one of my favorites on the record. If Celine only puts 'modern/current songs' on an album, it would be a very immature record. With those songs she brings a mature basic to the record.

 

If I Hate You Than I Love You did fit on the same album as Treat her Like A Lady, then i don't this the contrasts on LMBTL are very shocking.

[celinesounds]

Taking Chances,

A New Hay has come,

refuse to dance

 

still sounds good production today

 

I Surrender, The color of my love, where is the love

are timeless songs

Edited November 28, 2017 at 09:56 AM by celinesounds

[valeurmusicale]

I stopped using Instagram. Is Céline sharing snippets from studio in her stories or something?

[Ronny83]

I stopped using Instagram. Is Céline sharing snippets from studio in her stories or something?

 

No, just pic from the studio.

[celine4evauk]

 

 

Haha sorry but if those songs you name sound dated to you, then really every single thing Celine did is dated by now. Then One Heart and ANDHC are big big jokes and every uptempo song from the 90's is trash.

 

Loved Me Back To Life was absolutely fine. She never sounded more 'current' as on that album.

And I don't believe that songs like Somebody Loves Somebody are made to be so current, but simply because it'd suit her very much.

 

Also the Vegas covers did fit fine. It's only because of that concept change (from a very lousy 50/50 concept to a nice current album cause her albums don't need concepts like that) that people here are (still) prejudiced that it doesn't fit... but is that really true?

I think At Seventeen, Overjoyed and How Do You Keep The Music Playing bring a very nice balance to the album. HDYKTMP is one of my favorites on the record. If Celine only puts 'modern/current songs' on an album, it would be a very immature record. With those songs she brings a mature basic to the record.

 

If I Hate You Than I Love You did fit on the same album as Treat her Like A Lady, then i don't this the contrasts on LMBTL are very shocking.

 

Still think they should have released a live EP with the vegas tracks, and kept them off the LMBTL album.

I think she should still do this. Release a vegas EP - PR etc, maybe Paganini, even the Bond medley.

[isurrender]

I'd rather have a "dated" song than what we ve been hearing on radio for the last years as 90% of today's songs are based on the same beat.

[Ronny83]

Okay, maybe you didn't get my point: "current" doesn't mean "trash pop", 'Encore Un Soir' (song) was current, radio-friendly, with a cool "modern" arrangement. That's what I wish for the English single.

[Javito]

Haha sorry but if those songs you name sound dated to you, then really every single thing Celine did is dated by now. Then One Heart and ANDHC are big big jokes and every uptempo song from the 90's is trash.

 

Loved Me Back To Life was absolutely fine. She never sounded more 'current' as on that album.

And I don't believe that songs like Somebody Loves Somebody are made to be so current, but simply because it'd suit her very much.

 

Also the Vegas covers did fit fine. It's only because of that concept change (from a very lousy 50/50 concept to a nice current album cause her albums don't need concepts like that) that people here are (still) prejudiced that it doesn't fit... but is that really true?

I think At Seventeen, Overjoyed and How Do You Keep The Music Playing bring a very nice balance to the album. HDYKTMP is one of my favorites on the record. If Celine only puts 'modern/current songs' on an album, it would be a very immature record. With those songs she brings a mature basic to the record.

 

If I Hate You Than I Love You did fit on the same album as Treat her Like A Lady, then i don't this the contrasts on LMBTL are very shocking.

 

The difference between LTAL and LMBTL is that on LTAL they didn't force anything. On LMBTL they wanted to force the Vegas show to be part of it, making the album half a Vegas album at all costs, even if they knew that the project was stuck because they were trying to merge two worlds that are completely different, which are a brand new studio album for a worldwide audience and a live show ala Americana that had nothing to do with a new album. That an their obsession to record in the studio every single cover she performs live first

 

And both words clashed. Obviously!

 

Like it's been pointed out, Vegas covers should have stayed out and released as an EP. But Céline's team (or René back then) don't know the meaning of that

Edited November 28, 2017 at 11:58 AM by Javito

[Javito]

Also, let the saying "what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" be applied here too.

 

Normally, when you record an album, you then want to bring the songs to the stage and perform them live in shows, concerts etc. But Céline does the opposite here, and she first performs new songs live, which most of times are covers (to the annoyance of many fans), and then she decides to make a new album with them. That's the most stupid fault about the whole LMBTL thing: if you're bringing a brand new studio album in 5 years, give the public new songs. Don't turn it into a dejà vu of half a live show that you've been singing two years ago on a completely different scenario and concept, which is Vegas.

 

It's just my opinion of course, but I think they failed big time trying to merge Vegas with a studio album, and I hope they learnt the lesson. These are two different worlds, and what happens in Vegas, let it stay in Vegas, please (and as far as possible from the recording studio)

[CelinesDIVO5]

Hours

 

Haha sorry but if those songs you name sound dated to you, then really every single thing Celine did is dated by now. Then One Heart and ANDHC are big big jokes and every uptempo song from the 90's is trash.

 

Loved Me Back To Life was absolutely fine. She never sounded more 'current' as on that album.

And I don't believe that songs like Somebody Loves Somebody are made to be so current, but simply because it'd suit her very much.

 

Also the Vegas covers did fit fine. It's only because of that concept change (from a very lousy 50/50 concept to a nice current album cause her albums don't need concepts like that) that people here are (still) prejudiced that it doesn't fit... but is that really true?

I think At Seventeen, Overjoyed and How Do You Keep The Music Playing bring a very nice balance to the album. HDYKTMP is one of my favorites on the record. If Celine only puts 'modern/current songs' on an album, it would be a very immature record. With those songs she brings a mature basic to the record.

 

If I Hate You Than I Love You did fit on the same album as Treat her Like A Lady, then i don't this the contrasts on LMBTL are very shocking.

 

I didn't say the Vegas covers were bad. But the arrangements of the songs (aside from At 17) I feel sounded like they didn't fit. I'm glad we have them, don't get me wrong, but on the standard track list, I think "Open Arms" and "At 17" would have been the best fits. HDYKTMP and Overjoyed did not fit with the rest of the songs, in my opinion.

[Davey84]

 

 

I didn't say the Vegas covers were bad. But the arrangements of the songs (aside from At 17) I feel sounded like they didn't fit. I'm glad we have them, don't get me wrong, but on the standard track list, I think "Open Arms" and "At 17" would have been the best fits. HDYKTMP and Overjoyed did not fit with the rest of the songs, in my opinion.

 

I don't like the arrangement of the OA studio track. It's too fast for my likings. The slower Vegas arrangement was much better IMO. I do love HDYKTMP, but I wish that they had made her do a studio duet with herself too. Even if it was just with backing vocals. It's a shame they didn't.

[isurrender]

Okay, maybe you didn't get my point: "current" doesn't mean "trash pop", 'Encore Un Soir' (song) was current, radio-friendly, with a cool "modern" arrangement. That's what I wish for the English single.

 

You can't compare 2 different markets. I don't know how deep you know the french market ( musically speaking) but I live in Belgium and I can tell you that Céline is the only survivor in the category "french variety" to have a hit. You can't look at the numbers. Prior to "Encore un soir" , the last "big" hit was..."Parler à mon père". haha

All the french big acts are failing , no matter how hard they try to sound current.

 

I get your point but I really don't have any idea of what a "current" song on the international market could work for Céline on a commercia level. I don't have any current example (please don't give me the Adele example...which is clearly the exception) . If I listen to the spotify top 50 ...

 

It will really take a miracle for her to conquer again the ww charts, on a single basis ( and actually, beside Titanic, she never really had a worlwide hit: some songs were very successfull on different countries). She has to come up with a current single without sounding pop trash, she has to be played by radio again, and conquer the streaming platforms in which she is very weak. That's too much.

 

And in certain ways, I really think Céline have been "cursed"with her latest songs/singles ... I mean "Taking Chances", "My love" , "Loved me back to life" were really good songs but nobody picked them, even if others had hits with the same kind of songs. Even a song like "Always be your girl" sounds quite current, when it comes to ballad. In the same timeframe, Emeli Sande had a hit with "Read about it".

 

So I don't know why people here ( and her team as well) go on with wanting up tempo songs . The new generation of ballads can be very good and successfull ( James Arthur, Sam Smith, etc...)

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

I don't like the arrangement of the OA studio track. It's too fast for my likings. The slower Vegas arrangement was much better IMO. I do love HDYKTMP, but I wish that they had made her do a studio duet with herself too. Even if it was just with backing vocals. It's a shame they didn't.

 

I like both arrangements, but like I said, the studio arrangement would have fit the album better than HDYKTMP or Overjoyed. The original Vegas arrangement of OA, would not have fit with the rest of the songs either.

[CelinesDIVO5]

Delete Edited November 28, 2017 at 01:48 PM by CelinesDIVO5

[Ronny83]

You can't compare 2 different markets. I don't know how deep you know the french market ( musically speaking) but I live in Belgium and I can tell you that Céline is the only survivor in the category "french variety" to have a hit. You can't look at the numbers. Prior to "Encore un soir" , the last "big" hit was..."Parler à mon père". haha

All the french big acts are failing , no matter how hard they try to sound current.

 

I know quite well the French market, I know what you're talking about. That's why I find Sony did a great job with Céline for her latest album in France.

 

I get your point but I really don't have any idea of what a "current" song on the international market could work for Céline on a commercia level. I don't have any current example (please don't give me the Adele example...which is clearly the exception) . If I listen to the spotify top 50 ...

(...)

So I don't know why people here ( and her team as well) go on with wanting up tempo songs . The new generation of ballads can be very good and successfull ( James Arthur, Sam Smith, etc...)

 

"Current" doesn't mean uptempo. "Current" means a certain "modern" approach to the arrangement and the production. You did the right examples: James Arthur, Sam Smith, even Ed Sheeran.

 

And in certain ways, I really think Céline have been "cursed"with her latest songs/singles ... I mean "Taking Chances", "My love" , "Loved me back to life" were really good songs but nobody picked them, even if others had hits with the same kind of songs. Even a song like "Always be your girl" sounds quite current, when it comes to ballad. In the same timeframe, Emeli Sande had a hit with "Read about it".

 

I agree. 100%.

[HushNow]

The difference between LTAL and LMBTL is that on LTAL they didn't force anything. On LMBTL they wanted to force the Vegas show to be part of it, making the album half a Vegas album at all costs, even if they knew that the project was stuck because they were trying to merge two worlds that are completely different, which are a brand new studio album for a worldwide audience and a live show ala Americana that had nothing to do with a new album. That an their obsession to record in the studio every single cover she performs live first

 

And both words clashed. Obviously!

 

Like it's been pointed out, Vegas covers should have stayed out and released as an EP. But Céline's team (or René back then) don't know the meaning of that

 

I really think the opposite of this.. I do understand your point, but I think it really changed,

Vegas was forced on the 'Water and a Flame' concept of the album.

They stepped away from it and focused on a full English album without a meaningless concept.

 

And they succeeded to collect nice 'current' songs. I completely understand that a few of the cover songs made it to that album, because they were stronger without the Vegas link. And to good to be unreleased. To Celine's main audience those songs are not connected to Las Vegas. Only sone diehard forum fans know these things. To her audience these were just covers. Like she does often. And If a random fan would be in Vegas, they indeed had the chance hear these songs live. But it wasn't the concept anymore. It wasn't the way they lounged that album or these songs.

 

I agree with you that they could have released an EP with those songs and present it as a Vegas thing. Of course.. more room for new songs on the album.. and an extra release with these covers songs, so more new material... But hey... Team Celine and all the things they could have done...

That list is endless.

 

I was glad they found a way to put a few of those covers on the LMBTL album. I never felt a clash at all. Maybe a pitty these songs were covers, but the difference in style lifted the album in a positive way. I really think it made the album more mature and deeper than just another easy pop album from Celine trying to sound current and young. HDYCTMP is so classy, Celine and Stevie's voices together is a dream come true...

 

But that how I feel about it. I really appreciate LMBTL for what it became. From a lame concept album into a (for her) refreshing pop record. The only English record that actually got good reviews. And with a reason I'd say. They took more time, dared to change concepts and, in my opinion, I think it was worth it.

[Javito]

^ I like your admiration for that album! Really, I'm glad every album of Céline has its public, even in this forum where are her most critic fans.

 

And even if it's my least favourite CD and I can't consider it as an album, but a "collection of songs", it's nice to see it reached some fans