Will Celine ever have another #1 single in the U.S.?

[lindsey22]

Celine will never get another US #1 single - even a collab with somebody as hot as David Guetta or Lady Gaga would fail to light the charts afire.

 

I fear the only thing that would get her another US top 10 hit is (GOD FORBID) her death

omg , this forum is really very ... i dont even know what to say, rude, depressing, shocking. omg

these things should not be said.

 

 

I'm sure she will have another #1 single in the U.S.

 

Remember, Cher was in her 50's when she stormed the charts with her #1 hit single Believe so it's not too late for Celine.

sweetie, Sony lost Celine's "Cher" moment when they failed to release Sorry For Love as a single. Thats the closest thing to Believe and they missed the boat so i doubt Celine will ever have a Believe moment, The opportunity came and passed.

[Javito]

Javito already said what I wanted to say. And she had A LOT of "comebacks"... With these wrong choices, her chances are 0% for sure.

 

 

sweetie, Sony lost Celine's "Cher" moment when they failed to release Sorry For Love as a single. Thats the closest thing to Believe and they missed the boat so i doubt Celine will ever have a Believe moment, The opportunity came and passed.

 

She had a lot of opportunities, no doubt. We've been begging for a change since ages, with each album she has released since 2002, but nothing changed, even if it didn't require new efforts from Céline, because radio singles choice and airplay is Sony's duty, and René's work. And opportunities came but too many wasted chances, the boat come and passed many times without her on, and now with another Vegas, the chances are remotely far

Edited February 6, 2010 at 01:42 PM by Javito

[RLAAMJR.]

I think so. but she's more likely not to get one.

[Davey84]

Unless Sony / Celine / Rene really believe in the material they are recording and including on albums and then release it as singles the simple answer is, well, no.

 

Everyone, and I do mean everyone, was interested in Celine's "Taking Chances" return. She got onto the "cool" stations in the US for interviews / promo etc but then the usual Sony bandwagon followed up the first single with "Alone" when they had much much better options on the album. Was "Eyes On Me" even sent to radio in the US?

 

Unless this strategy changes then Celine will continue to struggle on the singles charts.

 

the problem with Sony (and celine + management) is that they are making one schedule in advance to its release;

this is the album

this and this are the promotional interviews (& performances) on tv + radio

these songs are the singles. period.

 

and that last one, is totally wrong! Just like it says on the sticker on TC: the new album blabla with the 'hit' songs TC, Alone, EOM!

 

that was already decided before it's release.... even though the fans and some media went wild over songs like Fade Away or Surprise, Surprise.. there was no way in hell that they would promote these songs, and sticked to their choice of a good song, but it didn't pick up, ANOTHER cover song and a cheap sounding Shakira songs... which IMO should only have been included as a bonus song on a single or something

 

 

so IF Céline records songs, they should decide on the singles when the album is out, and people react to the songs! that way Céline could score another hit... but the routine of picking the singles for the release it getting old, very old and very non effective!

Edited February 6, 2010 at 02:51 PM by Davey84

[wjd]

Even in her prime, Celine struggled to get a #1 single; her contemporaries and peers (like Madonna, Mariah, Whitney, Janet) are all in double figures - Celine has had a measly...4?

 

Power Of Love

Because You Loved Me

My Heart Will Go On

I'm Your Angel

 

Honestly, what are her chances now, with the likes of Ke$ha, Lady Gaga, Beyonce, Britney dominating the charts? Maybe if she did a Celine Dion feat. Lady Gaga, Ke$ha, Jay Z, Alicia Keys, Beyonce, Usher .... track?

[lindsey22]

if she teamed up with a current young artist she could get another #1 or it has to be a theme for a block buster movie, then its possible to get another #1. James Cameron should have asked her to do the theme for Avatar , same as he did Titanic . what a failed opportunity.

[Scramasboy]

yes, TC was regrettable in my opinion. They should have poped out EOM and if that didnt do as anticipated within a certain amount of time, pump FA out etc, sigh. Davey is completely righ and I dont want Celine to sink to locking on to a younger artist to get a single. I'd rather her not have one.

[Celine lover]

people open your eyes

Celine is not the problem here

SONY is

 

if they care about #1 singles they would have released I Surrender in 2002

or even maybe Surprise Surprise

 

BALLAD release a power Ballad ,,, that's what it takes

some singers with no voice hitted #1 with ballads

and u have the best voice in the world here

we need a new power ballad with a weird message and risky melody

take chances Sony

[Javito]

BALLAD release a power Ballad ,,, that's what it takes

some singers with no voice hitted #1 with ballads

 

Because they are beginers, and its their first steps with ballads (and this is valid to whatever style of song). They are starting their careers, and whatever style they try if its well sung and the song is good, they will have success If Lady Gaga releases a great ballad today i.e., she will have success too

 

and u have the best voice in the world here

we need a new power ballad with a weird message and risky melody

take chances Sony

 

But the whole world has heard to death Céline singing ballads all her life. They are enough tired of listening her sing ballads. No more surprises. They already know she sings those greatly, but the surprise effect is no longuer there. Its what she has done all her life. That's why she need to try something different to catch people's attention again

 

That's the BIG difference between both situations!

Edited February 7, 2010 at 10:53 AM by Javito

[Davey84]

if she teamed up with a current young artist she could get another #1 or it has to be a theme for a block buster movie, then its possible to get another #1. James Cameron should have asked her to do the theme for Avatar , same as he did Titanic . what a failed opportunity.

 

 

I haven't heard that song once on the radio... So I am very happy they didn't!! a great movie doesn't equal a great movie soundtrack

[MamaOlga]

I think it's possible, but it would be easier to do in collaboration with new popular artists. So sad that Celine's management missed the opportunity of leading the charts with Celine's "Eyes On Me" feat. Will.I.Am. That was real chance to return Celine on the Top.

[Rafael_MG]

It's a pitty but, in fact, the music industry has changed a lot. And in MY opinion, it's not about quality these days... This new generation doesn't matter about the voice, they wanna see nice body, good lips, legs, and that's all. I'm really sorry for the Britney's fans BUT, I can't see her as a siger. She's a performer and people, these young people love it!

What can we do?

 

Céline hit the top in USA???? I don't know... Few chances I guess!

 

In my house, for my ears, she will aways be #1!

[PatrickDion22]

Celine will never get another US #1 single - even a collab with somebody as hot as David Guetta or Lady Gaga would fail to light the charts afire.

 

I fear the only thing that would get her another US top 10 hit is (GOD FORBID) her death

omg , this forum is really very ... i dont even know what to say, rude, depressing, shocking. omg

these things should not be said.

 

 

I'm sure she will have another #1 single in the U.S.

 

Remember, Cher was in her 50's when she stormed the charts with her #1 hit single Believe so it's not too late for Celine.

sweetie, Sony lost Celine's "Cher" moment when they failed to release Sorry For Love as a single. Thats the closest thing to Believe and they missed the boat so i doubt Celine will ever have a Believe moment, The opportunity came and passed.

 

And people have to realize that the 1990's harbored the largest pop songs that we know today. Cher's Believe was released in 1998, and was a huge hit because of the specific music trends that were happening. Today, pop music alone doesn't do well. Only pop songs with a dance or R&B tinge to them do well (Halo, Poker Face, etc).

 

I honestly don't know if she'll get another U.S. #1 hit. The music industry in America is so far and away from the rest of the world, that it would take a miracle for her to score another #1 hit. I think she has a MUCH better chance to score a #1 hit in places like Europe and Canada. Her last #1 in France was in 2007, and her last #1 in Canada was in 2003. That is much more recent than her last #1 in the United States. That said, I really appreciate the vocality of this discussion. Hoepfully she will get another #1, but I don't think it's probable.

[Leo]

She won't have another #1 hit in the USA.

 

Airplay, sales and online stream points are added to get the chart position.

 

Sales: Physical singles don't sell anymore, they were replaced by digital downloads. Celine isn't a good digital track seller probably because she has an adult fan base. Celine's last #1, "I'm Your Angel," jumped to #1 because Jive released the CD single. Otherwise it would have stayed somewhere between #40 and #50 due to so-so airplay.

 

Airplay: Mainstream Radio stations ignore her and to make things worse she can't count on the 18-20 million people a #1 song at AC radio usually has because she is not a favourite at the format anymore.

 

Online streams: Account for about 5% of the chart's total points. It doesn't add much as airplay and sales account for the 55% and 40% respectively.

 

The only way to have a fifth #1 (her lucky number) would be if the song sells so many downloads that the points it gets are enough to make up for the lack of airplay.

 

What she could have is a #1 album as long as it is released in a normal week and without serious contenders. With some TV appearances, it shouldn't be hard for her to sell in the neighbourhood of 150,000 copies. If it doesn't debut at #1 it will never reach the top because albums by established artists like Celine usually debut at their peak position. But expect it to plummet because it won't have a hit to drive the sales.

[GoldenLeaf]

if she teamed up with a current young artist she could get another #1 or it has to be a theme for a block buster movie, then its possible to get another #1. James Cameron should have asked her to do the theme for Avatar , same as he did Titanic . what a failed opportunity.

 

 

I haven't heard that song once on the radio... So I am very happy they didn't!! a great movie doesn't equal a great movie soundtrack

Exactly! The theme for Avatar charted nowhere! This song is a H-U-G-E commercial failure all over the world.

[celinesounds]

Celine should release an album in January. Cause is a month poor in releases

 

 

 

 

They missed the opportunity with Eyes On Me Feat. Will.I.Am among others

 

 

 

- When The wrong One Loves You Right

 

- Sorry For Love (2002 Version)

 

- Je t’aime encore – English Version @ same time as French one

 

- Love is all we need

 

 

 

 

Edited February 8, 2010 at 05:48 AM by celinesounds

[Moleque20]

Celine can score another #1 hit in Europe and in Canada easily (with a good song and good promo), but in the U.S.A. I don't think so either... I think that the majority of the american audience likes young and fresh artists. They don't care about some 40+ singers who used to have huge hits in the 90's, like Celine, Mariah, Whitney, Estefan. The music industry (like everything in life) follows a circle: Celine used to be #1 in the 90's, but now she flops in singles sales+airplay. Lady Gaga, Beyonce or Taylor Swift may be at the same condition after 10 years, when younger artists appear. C'est la vie!

[stevo]

Celine (or her team-Sony) simply choose to release the worst singles. They have had so many great songs. I agree that Sorry For Love or When The Wrong One Loves You Right would have been amazing and potentially successful...imagine releasing Goodbye's the Saddest Word in the Uk??!! I'm glad it was a flop and no-one knew it released, cos I was embarrassed.

 

That's the point- they decide to release a song and do without so much of a hint of promotion apart from on the lead song. Eyes on Me, Alone...? Who heard it on radio in the UK? Terrible.

 

So unless tehy strategically change, or she duets with Justin Timberlake on a brilliant pop song or emotional ballad, then she never will. IMO

[Julian]

I hope not. But # 1 single in france would be nice

[Macaronie]

Answer: No.

Reason: Hasbeen.

To Blame: Fony.

Edited February 8, 2010 at 03:09 PM by Macaronie

[dj4celine]

Answer: No.

Reason: Hasbeen.

To Blame: Fony.

 

 

Sad, but true

[dj_a_rock]

As long as she is with Sony and in Vegas, she won't.

[Shaun]

Unless Sony / Celine / Rene really believe in the material they are recording and including on albums and then release it as singles the simple answer is, well, no.

 

Everyone, and I do mean everyone, was interested in Celine's "Taking Chances" return. She got onto the "cool" stations in the US for interviews / promo etc but then the usual Sony bandwagon followed up the first single with "Alone" when they had much much better options on the album. Was "Eyes On Me" even sent to radio in the US?

 

Unless this strategy changes then Celine will continue to struggle on the singles charts.

 

the problem with Sony (and celine + management) is that they are making one schedule in advance to its release;

this is the album

this and this are the promotional interviews (& performances) on tv + radio

these songs are the singles. period.

 

and that last one, is totally wrong! Just like it says on the sticker on TC: the new album blabla with the 'hit' songs TC, Alone, EOM!

 

that was already decided before it's release.... even though the fans and some media went wild over songs like Fade Away or Surprise, Surprise.. there was no way in hell that they would promote these songs, and sticked to their choice of a good song, but it didn't pick up, ANOTHER cover song and a cheap sounding Shakira songs... which IMO should only have been included as a bonus song on a single or something

 

 

so IF Céline records songs, they should decide on the singles when the album is out, and people react to the songs! that way Céline could score another hit... but the routine of picking the singles for the release it getting old, very old and very non effective!

 

I agree with you that the schedule for releases is obviously set out way in advance and everything is planned to the letter BUT these are multi million record companies we are talking about here. Are you seriously telling me they don't have the resources to send "Fade Away" to radio instead of "Alone" because they've printed something else on a sticker on the cover of an album? Sony are just tooooo slow at reacting. Like you say, Taking Chances just didn't pick up at radio. So what was Sony's back up plan? There just wasn't one. Simple as that.

 

Even going to Celine's promotional appearances, these are surely scheduled far in advance too. Just WHO is deciding that she should be singing her 1996 hit "Because You Loved Me."???? A song from 14 years ago!!!. It's crazy.

 

Sony, or Celine's team, need to be able to react quicker when it's clear things aren't working. Bombard radio with single after single if that's what it takes to get her on the airwaves again. One of the songs on "Taking Chances" would've taken off at radio. Sadly, just none of the ones Sony picked.

[Prince Whiskers]

We Are The World will go straight to #1.

 

!!

[browseceline]

It's a pitty but, in fact, the music industry has changed a lot. And in MY opinion, it's not about quality these days... This new generation doesn't matter about the voice, they wanna see nice body, good lips, legs, and that's all. I'm really sorry for the Britney's fans BUT, I can't see her as a siger. She's a performer and people, these young people love it!

What can we do?

 

Céline hit the top in USA???? I don't know... Few chances I guess!

 

In my house, for my ears, she will aways be #1!

 

 

Yes it like I have said a thousand times; the music of today is dominated by R&B, sexy moves (stupid lyrics) rap, Beyonce-like singing,

sexy appearance. And these songs are easy forgotten afterwards and another replaces it with similar style.

So if Celine wants to deal with that, she better have a good Timbaland song ( not the Ne-YO thing) with a catchy rhytm, good vocals,

and maybe even rap.. you can see it with Charice - she can sing wonderful, but they are producing a song - Pyramid - and you can't even hear it is Charice anymore! completely autotuned like most singers. it might as well be a song from Rihannah if you didn't know!

 

In short - I don't think she succeeds in that (the r&b thing). Maybe a very good ballad good score. Because Halo did, and both songs from Leoona Lewis scored too, so there is still hope! Dance is another option, but in dance the song is dominated by the synths and the bassdrum and the singer has less influence. But there are examples that it works - Cher did succeed, Celine did! ( drove all night) when loves takes over from David Guetta and what's her name ( former destiny's child singer).

[Javito]

Even going to Celine's promotional appearances, these are surely scheduled far in advance too. Just WHO is deciding that she should be singing her 1996 hit "Because You Loved Me."???? A song from 14 years ago!!!. It's crazy.

 

Sony, or Celine's team, need to be able to react quicker when it's clear things aren't working. Bombard radio with single after single if that's what it takes to get her on the airwaves again. One of the songs on "Taking Chances" would've taken off at radio. Sadly, just none of the ones Sony picked.

 

Someone who was her career not to be successful again. Or someone at Sony Music who doesn't want her to be as popular as before

 

And as it seems René is blind, I see the only solution is that they change of record label...

Edited February 9, 2010 at 06:19 PM by Javito

[Shaun]

Or, frankly, someone who doesn't know any better.....

[Tyler1991]

Oh wow, another topic never debated before. *eyeroll*

 

Between this and playback debates, I don't know what is debated more.

 

The problem isn't just the record label. It's the publics opinion of Celine. Even with an album full of songs like Fade Away, it will still fail. When people think of Celine, they don't think of these types of songs, they think of MHWGO and other slow boring songs. When the single is released, DJs will overlook it when they see - Artist: Celine Dion...and if by some chance they do play it, the listeners will change the station before the first chorus has even started.

 

And of course promotion is a huge problem too. Celine promoted ONE single for TC decently, appearing on about 20 shows.... but that isn't enough. The album would have to have all 3-5 singles promoted 30 times across the world. Skip out on a world tour, just do a promo tour. A world tour exposes your music to fans you already have, while a promo tour attracts new fans...with Celine's "changing style" this is what she needs to get a number 1. Newer, Younger Fans.

 

Besides all this, the songs themselves are a problem. Say what you want, but TC wasn't exactly that edgy. Yes, the chorus and endings may have been....but the first verse, first chorus and essentially first two minutes of every song was your typical Celine ballad. People need to hear that new sound within the first 5 seconds of that song or else the radio station, TV channel, etc will be changed.

 

Of course Sony can be blamed for releasing poor singles.... but let's not forget that it is Celine's job to promote them on television shows, etc... so her and her management can be blamed for that one. Additionally, she CHOOSES to record a song because it means something to her. I'm glad she is doing that because she wants too, but to be honest, I've never really felt that she has had much of a hands on approach to her own career. I'd like to see more of her own input on the songs themselves.

 

My point is that it may be easy to point fingers at Sony, but it is not just Sony. It's a combination of Sony, Celine, and her management. If by some chance the stars align in the sky, then maybe we can see Celine at mainstream success again. But for now, the thought of her reaching number one is about as crazy as Elvis still being alive.

[Macaronie]

Well we are all free to voice and debate opinions, ain't we?

 

 

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Edited February 9, 2010 at 07:48 PM by Macaronie

[Shaun]

And reading back over this thread almost everyone acknowledges the issue isn't just with Sony. People realise that Celine and her management are responsible too so not entirely sure what your point is there. There's a reason people only associate "slow boring songs" with Celine - that's all SONY ever release!!

 

No-one is pretending "Taking Chances" was the most edgy album ever recorded but certainly some of the material on it was edgy for an artist like Celine. But once again Sony, or whoever, neglected to expose it to the public. People need to hear the sound in the first 5 seconds or they change channel? Imagine if they'd heard "Fade Away", "Can't Fight The Feeling" or using examples from the past, "Reveal" instead of "Have You Ever Been In Love", "Goodbyes The Saddest Word" or "Alone."

 

Celine has made it quite clear that her priority right now is her family and raising Rene Charles (as it should be) so she is doing less promo than she has ever done. Is it then unreasonable to expect your record company of over 20 years to step in with some promotional support?

 

You point out that it's Celine's job to promote her material, but then WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY are we being treated to "Because You Loved Me." I honestly can think of no other artist who promotes their NEW material in this way.

 

This isn't another debate *rolls eyes* It's a passion to see Celine successful on the charts again.

Edited February 9, 2010 at 07:56 PM by Shaun