355 replies to this topic

[dj4celine]

Nice point, Lea.

But like Edwin said, even if he is telling the truth, his credibility in my eyes have gone down. I wouldn't be able to be how I was before and at the most, just be civil.

[ThisTime]

Yeah I'm not saying an apology would make things better, what's done is done and I doubt hardly anyone would be able to trust anything he says anymore. & he said he wasn't going to come back to the forum, and I think that is best.

[tonybower]

I don't know what to make of all of this... It's still rather confusing.
But I am glad that Oscar got back in touch with Peggi and was able to give his side of the story.
Whether or not he is telling the truth now, it will be hard for some people here to trust him and that is such a shame.

I really do not know if there are three people or not. But I do believe that Oscar is real. I see no reason to treat him like a villain because, as has already been pointed out, he was never creepy or unpleasant. WDT is another matter but GD and celineargento were very nice members. I was certainly flattered by celineargeto's attention (how ironic that she might not even exist - too good to be true!) and GD was civil and generous in many ways. That is why I still find it hard to believe. Which is why I think it is indeed very possible that there are in fact three different members. I still don't know why they would claim to be strangers or why celineargento would hit on GD. Part of me still thinks it was a way of silencing the people who question the sexuality of men who like Celine. Open flirting would solve the problem.

As for the rest, I don't know... Hope it becomes clearer in a day or two. It struck me before just how frightening the possibilities are with the internet. You can spend months chatting with somebody, build up a relationship and then it turns out that person might not exist. I'm sure we're not dealing with anything as serious as that here, but still, it's crazy...

[celínico_sin_remedio]

 wolfepaw, on Oct 2 2008, 03:59 PM, said:

Oscar has shared with me some more personal information about himself and, for those of you who can read Spanish, you can Google his name and you will come up with information about him. I found a couple of things, but I don't understand Spanish, so I don't know exactly what it says, but it looks professional and legitimate.

hmmm, I think this could clear up everything...

Could you please tell me Oscar's surnames? Of course only if Oscar allows you...
If Oscar doesn't want us to know his surnames you can pm me, I'm not going to post it on the forum of course. You can trust me.
I could find info on the net and then translate it here just for the sake of aclaration...

[Snowhite]

i don't believe anything....he is a dentist right??how the hell found time in his office to serf on internet! lies...

[LuisMa]

Hi guys! This is absolutely puzzling to me as it is to everybody else.

Like Tony said, I do believe this Oscar guy exists and he shared so much passion about Celine as everybody else here does. And he developed true friendships with several people and was never arrogant.

However, the WallsDoTalk character is the one that confuses me the most. In his profile he typed "I'm a nomad," and then in his Meet&Greet introduction, he stated that he was traveling through different South American countries. It's rather strange that he ended up in the same dentist's office as Oscar, don't you think?



I don't know if this makes sense or if the response is 100% accurate. This is just so weird!!

[celinedream]

why
oh
why

did
you
lie

[kathyc25]

 Ronny83, on Sep 30 2008, 05:04 PM, said:

 VinnyT., on Sep 30 2008, 10:58 PM, said:

 Koolan, on Sep 30 2008, 10:55 PM, said:

There are many creepy people out there on the Internet, don't take anything for granted!

I know..I experienced it with italian section!

Yes, that's why it doesn't surprise me: as Vic said, internet is full of creepy people. Do you remember Tracy/TraCeline?  

I was JUST going to mention her! Now SHE was nuts...

[whineupemily]

Ahhh im so freakin confused, so ALL four people on ALL four accounts are ALL different people, but are ALL dentists at the SAME office, thats a load of crap .. come on  

[CelineRox]

Lies, lies and more lies, sorry but I don't believe a word of it - it's just a last minute cover story that isn't gona wash

[amyja89]

 kathyc25, on Oct 2 2008, 07:28 PM, said:

 Ronny83, on Sep 30 2008, 05:04 PM, said:

 VinnyT., on Sep 30 2008, 10:58 PM, said:

 Koolan, on Sep 30 2008, 10:55 PM, said:

There are many creepy people out there on the Internet, don't take anything for granted!

I know..I experienced it with italian section!

Yes, that's why it doesn't surprise me: as Vic said, internet is full of creepy people. Do you remember Tracy/TraCeline?  

I was JUST going to mention her! Now SHE was nuts...

Ohhh do tell! Sounds like it was before my time!    

[wolfepaw]

First off, not all 4 people are dentists.  Oscar and Jos  é (WallsDoTalk) are dentists.  Nati (celineargento) works in the office.  She is an assistant, though I'm not sure that means a dental hygienist (sp?).  The new 4th account is Oscar's wife, who created the account recently because she has always liked Celine and knew Oscar was on the forum a lot, so she wanted to see for herself what he liked about it so much.  I guess, no one is going to believe any of this anyway, but I thought I would share with you some things I have found out, thanks so mucho mas to LuisMa, who would put Sherlock Holmes to shame.

I shared with Luis some of the information that Oscar gave me and since I couldn't read Spanish, when I Googled some of it, I couldn't understand a word of it.  Luis, sweetheart that he is, kindly offered to help and translate and go see if he could find any more info.  I will not go into all the details but the gist of his "investigation" is:
1.  There is indeed a dentist in Cordoba Argentina with Oscar's name (don't want to share his last name until he agrees I can - I did share it with Luis in a PM).
2.  He is a devoted Celine fan.  See this from Luis:
From 2002, there is someone who gives thanks to Oscar, and it is a Brazilian Celine Dion page. Oscar IS indeed from Argentina and a devoted Celine fan.
December 3rd 2002 - 6am - Good Morning! Céline´s A new day Has come CBS Special will air next December 28th, at 10 PM (local time) by Plus Satelital Channel in Argentina.
   Thanks Oscar F--------- for telling us   (I deleted his last name, but it was his name)
3. Another bit of info found by Luis:
Earlier this year in the forum, someone from Argentina came up with the idea of organizing a fan meeting in Buenos Aires. This is what grobandion wrote:
  Ojala y pueda ir. Desde que estoy casado y con una hijita y uno/a en camino, se me hace dificil todo lo relacionado con mi obsesion por Celine. Yo estoy en Cordoba, asique vere con tiempo si se puede organizar.
Gracias, saludos a todos.

He stated that because he lived in Cordoba (I have checked the map of Argentina and it's quite far from Bs As), and he had his daughter and a baby coming, it was difficult to attend.

His story about the baby was always the same, there was never a lie about that, and all the posts that have something about the baby were always with the exact date prior to the birth and after that.

Luis found out some more than this, but I don't want to get into the details because it would give a lot of Oscar's personal info, but suffice it to say - Oscar is real!  The info he has shared with the forum and with me has been spot on.  I think that WallsDoTalk and celineargento were playing with him and he got into the game, though I don't think any of it was intentionally malicious.  He did not say ugly things about anyone or about Celine.  I think he's real and I guess a lot of you will think I'm deluded, but I guess, since I had some personal correspondence with him, that I am more inclined to believe in him.

I hope you don't all get disgusted with me for continuing to look into this, but if it were me, I would be happy to know that someone was on my side and trying to dig out the truth - as they say in the X-Files - the truth is out there.

[CelineRox]

Peggi, I don't think anyone is 'disgusted' with you for wanting to find out more - who can blame you after the correspondence you shared

And just my personal opinion - so what if Oscar is real......he is someone who made 4 accounts end of story - for me.  

Edited by CelineRox, 02 October 2008 - 02:45 PM.

[tonybower]

Thank you, Peggi. This confirms what I suspected from the beginning. Oscar was too real and consistent for me to believe that he did not exist. He was a member for a long time before the others made an appearance. His love of Celine and Josh was genuine and it is clear that he is devoted to his family. I could never believe it was all lies.

I'm just so sorry that this has happened because even if he is allowed back into the forum few people will want to associate with him and I suspect that he does not want to return after all this speculation.

Peggi, please send him my regards...

[GoldenLeaf]

 CelineRox, on Oct 2 2008, 03:32 PM, said:

Lies, lies and more lies, sorry but I don't believe a word of it - it's just a last minute cover story that isn't gona wash

I don't believe a word of it either. His/Her story is a bunch of lies and he/she is trying to influence some naive people here on the forum.    

[Lymon]

I also e-mailed Oscar yesterday, because I wanted to find out more. This is the reply I got(by the way, he told me in his second e-mail that I could share his full name and information about him):

Hi Nick.
I understand you being so mad. I would be too....well, maybe not. I really
can't believe how many people believed this nonsense Bellamy created. I
guess his "evidence" was overwhelming....
I have already sent an email to the Admin. yesterday, but still got no
answer, so I'm sending you a copy of that email right now. I will create
another account in Hotmail called "grobandion" too, just in case this email
address is blocked.

Here it is...

----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar y Silvina
To: forum@celinedionforum.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 11:36 AM
Subject: grobandion - please read what I have to say


I hope that someone reads this.

My name is Oscar Faerher, aka "grobandion". I work as a dentist in Cordoba,
Argentina.
I was blocked yesterday from the Celine Dion forum, and was acused of having
"multiple" personality and being basically a complete freak of
nature...which I'm not.
I am not asking anything from you. I'm not asking you to believe me, nor to
"welcome" me back to the forum.
After what's been said, I would never come back.

Now, this is the truth, believe it or not:
The three of us (Nati a.k.a "celineargento", Jose a.k.a "wallsdotalk"...yes,
Jose, not Ivan; and myself) work in the same place, a dental office. Jose
and I are dentists, Nati is a dental assistant. In our office there are two
computers, one in mine, one in Jose's "consultorio" (sorry, i don't know the
accurate word in English).

I am the only TRUE Celine fan. I joined originally a long time ago. Nati
likes Celine music a lot, but she's a Queen die-hard fan. She joined the
forum basically to see what was what kept me so hypnotized about it. She
liked it here and stayed.
Jose only joined to piss me of, only a few months ago. He doesn't even have
a Celine album. He knows a lot of her songs because of me (we were
classmates). He's not from Croatia.
He started calling me different names in the "Pa'bailar" topic, trying to
make me lose it (which he almost did) and then just started to piss everyone
off.
Maybe I should have done something, but forgive me, I found it amuzing and
funny. He always had a blast doint so.

I have no idea what a IP is or whatever is called...all I know is we share
the same internet connection by a hub or something and yes, we pretty much
shared the same time when loging in.

I really can't believe everyone assumed I had a multiple personality or
whatever. It's nonsense.
It makes me really sad to be banned from the forum, but you can be sure I
WON'T TRY TO COME BACK....EVER. I just can't stand it there. I will log in
as a guess every now and then to find out about Celine, that's it.

Ahhhh...yes, one more thing. The new account "esnrq".
Well, yesterday my wife came to visit (she was aware of everything in here,
and how much time I devoted to the forum) and just wanted to be a part of
it. She visits me from time to time, and felt it could be fun. She really
likes Celine.
By the way, I am married to her since 2003, her name is Silvina and we have
two children, Pilar and Maximo. Maxi was born last June the 6th. all that is
true, of course.
Why in the name of God would I invent all that? I really can't understand
the assumptions. They are ridiculous
Anyway, I just needed to write this email, some sort of "venting thread" for
me, to get it out of my chest.

I did everything with the best intentions...I only regret not stoping Jose,
"Ivan" from doing that. I even talk Nati into change her personal photo into
the real one, what she did. (Jose didn't, that one is not him)

I'm deeply hurt of all the stress and anguish that this nonsense caused to
such amazing people as dhena, tony ans specially peggi. I am beyond angry
with Bellamy and Koolan for doing this.
They could have asked me fisrt via email what was going on...but they went
for this crazy science fiction movie instead

That'll be all. saludos
I will never "bother" you again and your assumptions of craziness...God!!!
Bellamy, believe me when I say you are watching way to much "spy" movies.
get a life dude

(I edited out the rest just in case Oscar didn't want the other things revealed, like his national identity number)

Bye all
saludos
Grobandion

I then sent him a reply e-mail, thanking him for replying. I then got a second e-mail:

Don't worry about a thing.

I feel really sad, but I will get over it for sure. I won't come back to the forum again, never, so if I may, please say to my dearest friends in there how sorry I am for the pain, hurt and distress this whole thing caused them. It wasn't my fault, but the damage is done anyway. Please, this is the only thing I will ever ask you, say this to dhena, tonybower, Ann, Denelle and angel125.
Peggi (wolfepaw) I have her email, so I have said it personally, and the rest I really don't care.

I understand that everyone trusts blindly in Bellamy and Koolan, it's logical, so I understand they all now hate me when we used to be the best friends.

Most of the people in the forum don't believe me, and it's okay (I don't see why they believe the crazy story about me having 3 different personalities without hesitation instead). I'm not asking for anything (I never did, to be honest).
Some members seem very angry with me for not "confessing" I shared the same space with "celienargento" and "walldotalk", but I really don't see how am I responsible for other people's choices really, but I guess that was a mistake.
I didn't want to be linked to Jose/Ivan because I thought it might drew people away from me.....how ironical that is now.

Another memeber (Lea - ThisTime I think) said something like: "yeah right, the four of them are dentists and work in the same place" .Well, we are 3, my wife is not a dentist, and  Nati isn't either. but, yeah we work in the same place....oooooohhh creepy...I don't get that.
Jose (Ivan if you prefer) joined the forum with the only intention to piss everyone off, especially myself. He got a warning not a long time ago, and it was a highlight for him!!! he is still enjoying all the mess in the forum.
Anyway, I'll stop explaining myself here.

I wish you all the best. I really appreciate you took the time to find out what i had to say.
I would never write again to you, don't worry (just in case you still have a tiny doubt I might be a freak).

Bye, take care, and please tell the above mentioned people I am hurt, and deeply sorry for this. And that everything I said to them is true
If you want to share my email or my full complete name with them, do it. I have nothing to hide. it wether this one or my more personal one. oscar.silvina@servimaq.com.ar
Bye, saludos

Oscar

I personally believe him, but that is my own opinion.  His story seems very consistant to me. That's all, I just wanted to post these so everybody could get Oscar's direct words.

Edited by Lymon, 02 October 2008 - 03:16 PM.

[GoldenLeaf]

 wolfepaw, on Oct 2 2008, 04:27 PM, said:

First off, not all 4 people are dentists.  Oscar and Jos  é (WallsDoTalk) are dentists.  Nati (celineargento) works in the office.  She is an assistant, though I'm not sure that means a dental hygienist (sp?).  The new 4th account is Oscar's wife, who created the account recently because she has always liked Celine and knew Oscar was on the forum a lot, so she wanted to see for herself what he liked about it so much.  I guess, no one is going to believe any of this anyway, but I thought I would share with you some things I have found out, thanks so mucho mas to LuisMa, who would put Sherlock Holmes to shame.

I shared with Luis some of the information that Oscar gave me and since I couldn't read Spanish, when I Googled some of it, I couldn't understand a word of it.  Luis, sweetheart that he is, kindly offered to help and translate and go see if he could find any more info.  I will not go into all the details but the gist of his "investigation" is:
1.  There is indeed a dentist in Cordoba Argentina with Oscar's name (don't want to share his last name until he agrees I can - I did share it with Luis in a PM).
2.  He is a devoted Celine fan.  See this from Luis:
From 2002, there is someone who gives thanks to Oscar, and it is a Brazilian Celine Dion page. Oscar IS indeed from Argentina and a devoted Celine fan.
December 3rd 2002 - 6am - Good Morning! Céline´s A new day Has come CBS Special will air next December 28th, at 10 PM (local time) by Plus Satelital Channel in Argentina.
   Thanks Oscar F--------- for telling us   (I deleted his last name, but it was his name)
3. Another bit of info found by Luis:
Earlier this year in the forum, someone from Argentina came up with the idea of organizing a fan meeting in Buenos Aires. This is what grobandion wrote:
  Ojala y pueda ir. Desde que estoy casado y con una hijita y uno/a en camino, se me hace dificil todo lo relacionado con mi obsesion por Celine. Yo estoy en Cordoba, asique vere con tiempo si se puede organizar.
Gracias, saludos a todos.

He stated that because he lived in Cordoba (I have checked the map of Argentina and it's quite far from Bs As), and he had his daughter and a baby coming, it was difficult to attend.

His story about the baby was always the same, there was never a lie about that, and all the posts that have something about the baby were always with the exact date prior to the birth and after that.

Luis found out some more than this, but I don't want to get into the details because it would give a lot of Oscar's personal info, but suffice it to say - Oscar is real!  The info he has shared with the forum and with me has been spot on.  I think that WallsDoTalk and celineargento were playing with him and he got into the game, though I don't think any of it was intentionally malicious.  He did not say ugly things about anyone or about Celine.  I think he's real and I guess a lot of you will think I'm deluded, but I guess, since I had some personal correspondence with him, that I am more inclined to believe in him.

I hope you don't all get disgusted with me for continuing to look into this, but if it were me, I would be happy to know that someone was on my side and trying to dig out the truth - as they say in the X-Files - the truth is out there.

If WallsDoTalk is really called José and is really a dentist in Argentina then how do you explain this :

 WallsDoTalk, on Jul 16 2008, 08:02 AM, said:

Hi everyone, I'm from Croatia, my name is Ivan, and I'm very happy to be here.
I'm a nomade, so I travel a lot......right now I'm in SouthAmerica, enjoying myself
Celine is a passion for me, and I hope to share this emotion with tons of great people, to call friends

Bye
Ivan

and remember....Walls do talk, so always be carefull...hahaha

http://www.celinedio...tia-t35748.html

Edited by Calypso, 02 October 2008 - 03:08 PM.

[amyja89]

To be honest I'm not surprised to see that there is strong evidence pointing towards the fact that Oscar exists and that his profession as valid etc....

But, I still hold the opinion that the other 3 accounts were infact created by him and were operated by him. I don't think there was anything 'sick' or 'psychotic' about it, just a bored person amusing themselves and creating interest at the expense of fooling others.

If what I believe is correct, and by some chance Oscar is allowed back onto the forum, of course I will be civil to him. But as many other members have already expressed, there will always be an air of suspicion around him.

[wolfepaw]

 tonybower, on Oct 2 2008, 03:45 PM, said:

Thank you, Peggi. This confirms what I suspected from the beginning. Oscar was too real and consistent for me to believe that he did not exist. He was a member for a long time before the others made an appearance. His love of Celine and Josh was genuine and it is clear that he is devoted to his family. I could never believe it was all lies.

I'm just so sorry that this has happened because even if he is allowed back into the forum few people will want to associate with him and I suspect that he does not want to return after all this speculation.

Peggi, please send him my regards...

Tony, thank you so much for your support.  And, no, he does not want to come back and I don't blame him, after all that has been said.  I just hope he doesn't stop communicating with me, although I said some pretty crappy things about him, too, at first.  But the more I thought about it, the more I felt that there was more to this than meets the eye. So I figured, I'd ask him personally and then I would find out as much as I could. And with Luis' help, I did get more info.  Luis was such a dear and I could never have gotten the information without him.  

I guess this is probably the end of it, unless Oscar agrees to let me share his email with you guys.  And I will be sure to send him your regards, Tony, if I get the opportunity to send him another email. (If he emails me back).

And he did not create 4 accounts.  There are 4 separate people.

[Koolan]

Oscar said:

Maybe I should have done something, but forgive me, I found it amuzing and
funny. He always had a blast doint so.

So you were enjoying this "game" between you 3. Did you not realize how many people you were misleading? How can someone forgive you?

Oscar said:

I am beyond angry
with Bellamy and Koolan for doing this.
They could have asked me fisrt via email what was going on...but they went
for this crazy science fiction movie instead

You should be angry at yourself for letting this drag on. When do you plan to stop if we haven't caught on to this? Not like we will believe your story anyway.

Oscar said:

That'll be all. saludos
I will never "bother" you again and your assumptions of craziness...God!!!
Bellamy, believe me when I say you are watching way to much "spy" movies.
get a life dude

Look whos talking! Go find a different hobby to amuse yourself or yourselves.

Oscar said:

Some members seem very angry with me for not "confessing" I shared the same space with "celienargento" and "walldotalk", but I really don't see how am I responsible for other people's choices really, but I guess that was a mistake.

Grow up and take some responsibility! Geez, give me a break! You knew what the hell was going on from the getgo and you didn't do a damn thing about it until it backfired.

[CellyDee87]

Wow, thanks Nick for the msg I think I'll ponder that for a while I may email him myself...

[whineupemily]

 wolfepaw, on Oct 2 2008, 03:27 PM, said:

First off, not all 4 people are dentists.  Oscar and Jos  é (WallsDoTalk) are dentists.  Nati (celineargento) works in the office.  She is an assistant, though I'm not sure that means a dental hygienist (sp?).  The new 4th account is Oscar's wife, who created the account recently because she has always liked Celine and knew Oscar was on the forum a lot, so she wanted to see for herself what he liked about it so much.  I guess, no one is going to believe any of this anyway, but I thought I would share with you some things I have found out, thanks so mucho mas to LuisMa, who would put Sherlock Holmes to shame.

I shared with Luis some of the information that Oscar gave me and since I couldn't read Spanish, when I Googled some of it, I couldn't understand a word of it.  Luis, sweetheart that he is, kindly offered to help and translate and go see if he could find any more info.  I will not go into all the details but the gist of his "investigation" is:
1.  There is indeed a dentist in Cordoba Argentina with Oscar's name (don't want to share his last name until he agrees I can - I did share it with Luis in a PM).
2.  He is a devoted Celine fan.  See this from Luis:
From 2002, there is someone who gives thanks to Oscar, and it is a Brazilian Celine Dion page. Oscar IS indeed from Argentina and a devoted Celine fan.
December 3rd 2002 - 6am - Good Morning! Céline´s A new day Has come CBS Special will air next December 28th, at 10 PM (local time) by Plus Satelital Channel in Argentina.
   Thanks Oscar F--------- for telling us   (I deleted his last name, but it was his name)
3. Another bit of info found by Luis:
Earlier this year in the forum, someone from Argentina came up with the idea of organizing a fan meeting in Buenos Aires. This is what grobandion wrote:
  Ojala y pueda ir. Desde que estoy casado y con una hijita y uno/a en camino, se me hace dificil todo lo relacionado con mi obsesion por Celine. Yo estoy en Cordoba, asique vere con tiempo si se puede organizar.
Gracias, saludos a todos.

He stated that because he lived in Cordoba (I have checked the map of Argentina and it's quite far from Bs As), and he had his daughter and a baby coming, it was difficult to attend.

His story about the baby was always the same, there was never a lie about that, and all the posts that have something about the baby were always with the exact date prior to the birth and after that.

Luis found out some more than this, but I don't want to get into the details because it would give a lot of Oscar's personal info, but suffice it to say - Oscar is real!  The info he has shared with the forum and with me has been spot on.  I think that WallsDoTalk and celineargento were playing with him and he got into the game, though I don't think any of it was intentionally malicious.  He did not say ugly things about anyone or about Celine.  I think he's real and I guess a lot of you will think I'm deluded, but I guess, since I had some personal correspondence with him, that I am more inclined to believe in him.

I hope you don't all get disgusted with me for continuing to look into this, but if it were me, I would be happy to know that someone was on my side and trying to dig out the truth - as they say in the X-Files - the truth is out there.

Thats bull, i dont believe a word you are saying.
Everything just sounds TO SUSPICIOUS my god, nothing adds up ..    

Everything just sounds to put together, like the story is perfect, the "cover" story is to perfect .. AHH  
Im sorry but, that story just doesnt add up, and as soon as who ever those people are gets acused, you come out with some perfect explination ..

[ThisTime]

I like how he mentioned me. I don't think I ever said that. I just mentioned how it didn't seem plausible based on conversations on the forum.
Also, if you read this Oscar, if you are telling the truth then sorry for everything that went on.
If you are lying, well then... get a life and stop lying.
No one will know 100% truth except for you so good luck with the situation.

[CelineRox]

Well said Vic - AMEN!

[wolfepaw]

Lymon, I'm so glad Oscar agreed to let you share his email with the forum.  It is essentially what he wrote to me.  I'm glad he sent you a second email too.  I just hope he doesn't stop emailing those of us who believe him and like him for the friend he has been and for sharing all the nice things he has shared with us.

Good for you for getting in touch with him directly, too.  I'm sure he appreciates it.

[whineupemily]

 Koolan, on Oct 2 2008, 04:31 PM, said:

Oscar said:

Maybe I should have done something, but forgive me, I found it amuzing and
funny. He always had a blast doint so.

So you were enjoying this "game" between you 3. Did you not realize how many people you were misleading? How can someone forgive you?

Oscar said:

I am beyond angry
with Bellamy and Koolan for doing this.
They could have asked me fisrt via email what was going on...but they went
for this crazy science fiction movie instead

You should be angry at yourself for letting this drag on. When do you plan to stop if we haven't caught on to this? Not like we will believe your story anyway.

Oscar said:

That'll be all. saludos
I will never "bother" you again and your assumptions of craziness...God!!!
Bellamy, believe me when I say you are watching way to much "spy" movies.
get a life dude

Look whos talking! Go find a different hobby to amuse yourself or yourselves.

Oscar said:

Some members seem very angry with me for not "confessing" I shared the same space with "celienargento" and "walldotalk", but I really don't see how am I responsible for other people's choices really, but I guess that was a mistake.

Grow up and take some responsibility! Geez, give me a break! You knew what the hell was going on from the getgo and you didn't do a damn thing about it until it backfired.

I couldnt have said it better my self!    
I agree with what you said 100%!  

Edited by whineupemily, 02 October 2008 - 03:39 PM.

[CellyDee87]

Ok so if I'm happy to believe Oscar's story and credibility that may be fine, but rest assured there's a part of me that's still hurt by him or the others for not admitting that they know each other. True that Oscar was lovely to me this whole experience on the forum, but there's something that doesn't sit well with me, I don't understand why they couldn't have said "I'm Oscar's friend" when they joined... It's not that hard and would have prevented this from occurring ...

Edited by Denelle, 02 October 2008 - 03:48 PM.

[CelineRox]

.....Because they were not his friends, they were all him- it's obvious!   

[tonybower]

The fact that Oscar has contacted the admins and offered an explanation to other members personally suggests to me that he is telling the truth. He says he will never visit here again but he has at least tried to clear his name. If it were me and I had created several accounts and 'deceived' people or whatever, I would be horrified once I was exposed and never visit the forum again. I certainly would not offer an explanation to admin and I would never reply to personal emails. I would want to forget the whole thing.

However, if I felt that I had been misjudged and people were led to believe unpleasant (and untrue) things about me, I would do everything in my power to offer an explanation and clear my name. Just like Oscar has. He had no reason to do this. If he really did create all those accounts, he has been caught and that should have brought an end to it. The only reason for him to contact the admin would be if he was innocent.

People seem to forget that neither grobandion nor celineargento were ever rude or obnoxious, they never tried to stir up trouble and only offered helpful and thoughtful posts. Even if they are the same person, what bad has actually been done? No rumours were started, no offense was caused... For all intents and purposes they were two different users. Why should we feel deceived?

[wolfepaw]

 tonybower, on Oct 2 2008, 04:53 PM, said:

The fact that Oscar has contacted the admins and offered an explanation to other members personally suggests to me that he is telling the truth. He says he will never visit here again but he has at least tried to clear his name. If it were me and I had created several accounts and 'deceived' people or whatever, I would be horrified once I was exposed and never visit the forum again. I certainly would not offer an explanation to admin and I would never reply to personal emails. I would want to forget the whole thing.

However, if I felt that I had been misjudged and people were led to believe unpleasant (and untrue) things about me, I would do everything in my power to offer an explanation and clear my name. Just like Oscar has. He had no reason to do this. If he really did create all those accounts, he has been caught and that should have brought an end to it. The only reason for him to contact the admin would be if he was innocent.

People seem to forget that neither grobandion nor celineargento were ever rude or obnoxious, they never tried to stir up trouble and only offered helpful and thoughtful posts. Even if they are the same person, what bad has actually been done? No rumours were started, no offense was caused... For all intents and purposes they were two different users. Why should we feel deceived?

RIGHT ON, TONY!!!  It seems that some people would rather believe the worst about someone who never really hurt anyone, and that kinda scares me.