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[whineupemily]

 CelineRox, on Oct 2 2008, 04:50 PM, said:

.....Because they were not his friends, they were all him- it's obvious!   

Its SO freakin obvious, and its getting me mad how he/she is trying to cover this with some little "perfect" story  

[angeluk2]

I have kept pretty quiet about this whole thing as i have been in shock,like most.I considered Oscar to be one of my 'forum' friends,like some others too.I so want to believe this explanation in the emails that has been posted.
I guess if we said everything he explained was true then it just leaves me with this one doubt i can't explain.
Peggi and Tony have both stated they were close to Oscar,PMing and even having personal email addresses and sharing songs etc off of the forum.Why did Oscar not,at any time since he registered in 2007,say to someone about the situation with the other 2?
I am close to a couple of members on this forum and i know if i had a secret like that i would certainly tell them,even if i wanted no one else to know?
I have never once said he is crazy,creepy,etc and i so want to believe this is all a mix up.I don't think the worst of anyone unless i have cause too.I just do not understand how he could be such a good friend of Peggi and he never told her ANYTHING about this situation?

[GoldenLeaf]

 whineupemily, on Oct 2 2008, 06:04 PM, said:

 CelineRox, on Oct 2 2008, 04:50 PM, said:

.....Because they were not his friends, they were all him- it's obvious!   

Its SO freakin obvious, and its getting me mad how he/she is trying to cover this with some little "perfect" story  

Gosh of course that's obvious and that's make me sick. He tries to fool everybody with his/her bullshits stories. What a cheater!!!  

Edited by Calypso, 02 October 2008 - 04:59 PM.

[wolfepaw]

 angeluk2, on Oct 2 2008, 05:15 PM, said:

I have kept pretty quiet about this whole thing as i have been in shock,like most.I considered Oscar to be one of my 'forum' friends,like some others too.I so want to believe this explanation in the emails that has been posted.
I guess if we said everything he explained was true then it just leaves me with this one doubt i can't explain.
Peggi and Tony have both stated they were close to Oscar,PMing and even having personal email addresses and sharing songs etc off of the forum.Why did Oscar not,at any time since he registered in 2007,say to someone about the situation with the other 2?
I am close to a couple of members on this forum and i know if i had a secret like that i would certainly tell them,even if i wanted no one else to know?
I have never once said he is crazy,creepy,etc and i so want to believe this is all a mix up.I don't think the worst of anyone unless i have cause too.I just do not understand how he could be such a good friend of Peggi and he never told her ANYTHING about this situation?

Cath, when Oscar and I emailed each other it was usually to exchange songs (Josh and Celine and he sent me some Argentinian songs because I asked him about his local music) and about his family, mostly his children, Max and Pili (really cute kids, by the way).  I don't think he mentioned this to me earlier, because I'm not sure he realized there was a problem until he was banned.  It's only then that he logged in as a guest to read what was going on and found out about all the whoop-de-doo about his being 3 different people on the forum.

He explained it to me, and, as some have said, call me naive, but I believe him because I prefer to think the best of people and not the worst, and he has never given me reason to believe he is either a nutcase or malicious.  He has been nothing but sweet, helpful, generous and informative to me.  I guess that's why I and Tony believe him.  The dealings we have had with him have been above board and very enjoyable.  So, go figure.

I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion and there's nothing I can say that can change what people are thinking right now.  And "That's the Way It Is".

[ZoraSourit]

I just came here to say this: This was blown way out of proportion.

The problem is that it's easier for everyone to believe in the worst of Oscar. It would be nicier to believe in the best of Oscar, but it's easier to believe in the worst, because that's the way our society has taught us.

I won't take any sides on this, because I really don't know the people involved. I will just say that maybe this could be handled in a different manner... but what is done, it's done. It's time to analyze what everyone us done and move on.

[destin139]

Guys, seriously, where is the forgiveness here...? so, he may have screwed up by not telling the admins about the "game" that was going on with his mates but doesnt everyone make mistakes and take things a little too far without meaning to? "You who is without blame, cast the first stone." We all screw up and all make mistakes, lets give Oscar a break here. He says he is never gonna come back to the forum so lets all forget about it and move on. Good for you Peggi for sticking to your beliefs about Oscar - I believe you are right - lots of people on this thread are judging him withough even knowing him. I dont wanna sound all high and mighty but a lot of you sound like bitter twisted people. Lets just get over it and show some love!!

[wolfepaw]

 destin139, on Oct 2 2008, 06:04 PM, said:

Guys, seriously, where is the forgiveness here...? so, he may have screwed up by not telling the admins about the "game" that was going on with his mates but doesnt everyone make mistakes and take things a little too far without meaning to? "You who is without blame, cast the first stone." We all screw up and all make mistakes, lets give Oscar a break here. He says he is never gonna come back to the forum so lets all forget about it and move on. Good for you Peggi for sticking to your beliefs about Oscar - I believe you are right - lots of people on this thread are judging him withough even knowing him. I dont wanna sound all high and mighty but a lot of you sound like bitter twisted people. Lets just get over it and show some love!!

Thank you, destin139.  That's the spirit.  I agree with you about people screwing up and giving Oscar a break.  Not that it makes a difference now, but I think it could have been handled differently.

[destin139]

I agree and we learn from our mistakes so hopefully we can all take something away from this situation and try to turn it into something positive.

[Cheerfuljane]

Whether his story is true or not, I would not remain friends with someone who enjoyed watching his friend (Jose/Ivan) play games with people here.
That makes him as deceptive as Jose/Ivan.  He may regret it now but a little too late.

I wasn`t friends with GD here.  I always found his posts contradictive.  I`m not gonna search them to prove it coz, well, quite frankly, I don`t give a damn.

Those of you who have lost sleep over this need to stop.  This is so mild compared to some of the scary stuff that happens on the Net and in real life.  Don`t let it affect you so much.  Keep your eyes open in the future and move on.

For those of you who believe his explanation:  I`m happy for you.  I hope you have closer.
For those of you who don`t:  I think it`s healthy to always remain somewhat suspicious of people you chat to on the Net anyway.  It`s a lesson learned.

[Bellamy]

Vic had said everything I wanna reply to Oscar. I do believe Oscar is real. But I don't know if I should believe the other two are real or created by him. Even all 3 are real, they still cheated us by pretending complete strangers to each other. Would they ever quite the game if we never find out? I doubt it.

[Cheerfuljane]

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I understand that everyone trusts blindly in Bellamy and Koolan, it's logical, so I understand they all now hate me when we used to be the best friends.

This statement is an insult to me.  
I can think for myself thank you very much.
I`m sure most people here feel the same.
I made up my own mind from what you and your wife and co-workers presented to us.

[celínico_sin_remedio]

Well... I agree with Destin. I never had a conversation with Oscar but I believe him... and, what's more, I don't find anything "bad" on what he has done here in the forum... I believe if Jose wanted to play in the forum it's not Oscar's fault, and, sincerely i don't believe they were trying to mess everyone...for God's sake! Here's my belief :




Maybe if Oscar would have wanted to clear up that they three knew each other we wouldn't have believed him either... and maybe that's why he didn't clear up this.

I understand why they never tried to make believe everyone that they three knew each other... it's just because he didn't know that things were going to be taken out of their proportions like they had. And I think that's not bad... Who would have guessed that they three knew each other and, plus, who would have guessed that they'd have need to "confess" it? NO ONE. And so they didn't need to confess it.... why?? That fact would have remained between themselves without consequences.




I don't get why you guys seem not to understand this. Let's give Oscar a break and forgive him. This is a grain of sand compared to a really big disservice to the forum, thing that never happened. This is NOT acting like a bad person.

The thing that's more like acting as a bad person is not to have forgiveness. Not even to somebody who doensn't even need to be sorry. Now THIS is bad, IMHO. And I don't mean to be rude to anybody, eh?It's just my opinion.

And btw I congratulate you, Peggi, for holding to your beliefs too. You seem to be the most reasonable person here. I would have done the same. I hope you and Oscar will keep on as cyber-friends or whatever you both were before this.

I hope Oscar is well, I know he is, but hope that he will go on with his life without worries about what people here could believe about him. Oscar, if you ever read this, i want you to know that I'm with you 100 % even if we both didn't know each other before.

That's all.









P.S.:, why doesn't somebody change the title of the topic to anything...?? I guess anything is better than the original topic title now.(IMPORTANT PLEASE READ : SICK AND CREEPY MEMBER ON OUR FOUM.) This title makes me... now.

[VinnyT.]

 CelineRox, on Oct 2 2008, 11:50 PM, said:

.....Because they were not his friends, they were all him- it's obvious!   

yes! Bellamy and Koolan are smart enough they can see when u log in and u log out after few minutes, when you are in the same office, sure you share the same IP but at least you have different pc's . I experienced liars and they always want you make believe they are saying the truth and you are wrong, it's a mental game!
I do respect all the people who believes in him but please respect who dont , it's not a shame we dont believe in him it's our right!

PS
I have different opinions, I dont agree always with Bellamy and Koolan (we fight sometimes   and they know it   )
but this time they are right, I support them 100%, If I can suggest something lock this topic and "bye bye"(like my friend mariah would say )

[Black Kitten]

with all honesty, i wholeheartedly believe Oscar. he's such a beautiful soul and he seems to be a very kind person and a real gentleman. we do have our opinions regarding this, but i had few conversation with the man, and i felt his sincerity in every single word he said. i guess we should all try not to judge him and say rude words against the man. i do believe we are one big family here, and he deserves a second chance, but he already made up his mind that he'll never return again here in any way. he explained himself and tried to fix things to at least clean his name so it's time to move on.

i understand that it's not that easy for some of us to believe in him again, but if we have already proven our point, let's just leave him alone and stop dissing him. Nati on the other hand was nice as well. i think she was never been a cause of fights here.

and one more thing, to all the people who already judged him, please leave him alone. i guess u all have proven ur point enough. u don't have to repeat urself over and over again. the damage is done. we lost them, so leave everything behind and forget about it and start all over again as ONE FAMILY.

i will miss you, Oscar. i wish ur family well.

[Krys]

i agree with Vinny. time to close the thread

[Cheerfuljane]

 VinnyT., on Oct 3 2008, 03:13 AM, said:

 CelineRox, on Oct 2 2008, 11:50 PM, said:

.....Because they were not his friends, they were all him- it's obvious!   

yes! Bellamy and Koolan are smart enough they can see when u log in and u log out after few minutes, when you are in the same office, sure you share the same IP but at least you have different pc's . I experienced liars and they always want you make believe they are saying the truth and you are wrong, it's a mental game!
I do respect all the people who believes in him but please respect who dont , it's not a shame we dont believe in him it's our right!

PS
I have different opinions, I dont agree always with Bellamy and Koolan (we fight sometimes   and they know it   )
but this time they are right, I support them 100%, If I can suggest something lock this topic and "bye bye"(like my friend mariah would say )

Well said  

May I suggest that we change the topic to something like "4 members have been banned" and close it?

And I`m gonna repeat wht Vinny said:

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I do respect all the people who believes in him but please respect who dont , it's not a shame we dont believe in him it's our right!

[Prince Whiskers]

The oddness factor behind all this takes itself to a higher level.

[tonybower]

The title certainly needs to be changed. Anybody reading the thread for the first time (especially those who did not know Oscar) will be influenced before they even start and effectivley their judgement will be made for them. It does not given an accurate impression because, as far as I can tell, there was nothing creepy or freaky about any of this.

I remember some time ago, there was a member who came onto the forum and repeatedly started unpleasant rumours about Celine for no apparent reason. With each post she would start as if she were defending Celine but would finish by saying somethin negative. On this particular occasion, she implied that Celine had been rude to her friend at an airport. It was a perfeclty credible story but many fans on here reacted badly. It was then revealed that she had repeatedly lied in the past and then created new accounts/users who would then defend her story. That was a very strange thing to do. And that person deserved to be banned.

But why would you come onto a forum and create two perfectly amiable users? I can't account for WDT but celineargento and grobandion had nothing but praise for Celine and were more than civil to all members. They simply expressed their opinions. One person, two people, strangers or colleagues, I fail to see the harm that has been caused...

Misleading topic titles and a generally sensationalist response is probably the reason...

[wolfepaw]

 tonybower, on Oct 3 2008, 11:14 AM, said:

The title certainly needs to be changed. Anybody reading the thread for the first time (especially those who did not know Oscar) will be influenced before they even start and effectivley their judgement will be made for them. It does not given an accurate impression because, as far as I can tell, there was nothing creepy or freaky about any of this.

I remember some time ago, there was a member who came onto the forum and repeatedly started unpleasant rumours about Celine for no apparent reason. With each post she would start as if she were defending Celine but would finish by saying somethin negative. On this particular occasion, she implied that Celine had been rude to her friend at an airport. It was a perfeclty credible story but many fans on here reacted badly. It was then revealed that she had repeatedly lied in the past and then created new accounts/users who would then defend her story. That was a very strange thing to do. And that person deserved to be banned.

But why would you come onto a forum and create two perfectly amiable users? I can't account for WDT but celineargento and grobandion had nothing but praise for Celine and were more than civil to all members. They simply expressed their opinions. One person, two people, strangers or colleagues, I fail to see the harm that has been caused...

Misleading topic titles and a generally sensationalist response is probably the reason...

I couldn't agree more, tonybower.  It wasn't like he dissed Celine, made up stories about her, threatened to eat anybody's children or anything like that.  So they played a little game, mostly with each other.  I can't get all worked up about that.

[ThisTime]

I'm glad he didn't threaten to eat my children.
Well my nonexistent children

[LuisMa]

Lea

I'm glad the dust is starting to clear. I think whatever happens from now on will not matter at all, because people have already taken sides. So, at least there have been explanations, and the people who were closer to him have found their so needed answers, which is good.

[destin139]

 LuisMa, on Oct 3 2008, 08:54 PM, said:

Lea

I'm glad the dust is starting to clear. I think whatever happens from now on will not matter at all, because people have already taken sides. So, at least there have been explanations, and the people who were closer to him have found their so needed answers, which is good.

so can we close the topic now please?! its not helping anyone any more and probaby creating more problems than it is solving!

[angeluk2]

yes i think this is a done subject/topic now.
I also believe what Luis wrote was right.
so lets stop posting now ok   (yes angeluk2 that means you too!)

[GoldenLeaf]

I've got a great idea! grobandion, wallsdotalk, celineargento and esnrq should take a picture of themselves with a banner from the forum like this one :

http://www.celineirc...p2008081509.jpg

That's the only way to know if they're really 4 different people.

Edited by Calypso, 03 October 2008 - 06:05 PM.

[celínico_sin_remedio]

 Calypso, on Oct 4 2008, 02:04 AM, said:

I've got a great idea! grobandion, wallsdotalk, celineargento and esnrq should take a picture of themselves with a banner from the forum like this one :

http://www.celineirc...p2008081509.jpg

That's the only way to know if they're really 4 different people.

Oh man!
Believe what you want, I will believe what I want...

Oscar doesn't need to explain himself more...

I agree this topic should be closed... Each one will believe what he/she wants anyways...

I agree, end of story.

[Black Kitten]

wait! before this topic gets closed, i wanna clear this up. this is for peggy and Nick. can u guys please ask him about this:

http://www.celinedio...p;#entry1100522

he pretended WallsDoTalk was TOTALLY stranger to him and he even asked for his name, and WDT told him he's Ivan, and he called him Ivan. WDT told him he's in South America that time, and blah blah blah. he misspelled Oscar's username twice, and GD replied to just call him GD, Grobandion or simply "Oscar", so it's very clear that they didn't know each other.

this may sound erratic, as i've said i believed what Oscar said to Nick (Lymon), but this one really puzzles me. i don't want to believe Oscar lied to us, but this is already a valid proof. i don't know what to think right now!

[takeachance]

By the sounds off things,  i dont think much teeth were getting cleaned in that dentist practice!!! They all hovering around a computer all day long, one after the other . Oh please.  

[Terre]

  After reading everything that's been said I really don't know what to believe.    I feel for everyone who made friends with Oscar.     Let's try to put this behind us now, shall we.

[Davey84]

Children, children, children... I leave you alone for two weeks and this is what happens!      

I am sorry for all of you who had friendship with Oscar or the other two... but I don't buy his explanation of 4 people working in one office etc... Like I said before, I didn't like Oscar, he was rude ocationally, he isn't a saint, that's for sure. I don't know which one of the 3 is real, but I still find it sick if you have a wife, 2 childern and you still feel the need to make a tripple fake life on the net!

What i always found strange is that 'Oscar' was so much on the forum, and according to him, it was inbetween patients, now I don't know if his pratice was slow, but here my dentist has always 2 patients waiting in the waiting room, with no chance to even click on a mouse. and there is one thing the mods can figure out; when were these three characters active, if the 3 really worked in the same office and even besides working hours the same IP address came up, then it's sure to be a hoax, unless they also lived together too.

Again I am sorry for those who believed in any of them. I didn't have friendly feelings towards any of them. But I do believe this thread should stay open  to talk about it. The net can be a sick, or strange place to people and these weird things happen, but it's also a place where people talk about their feelings and come to peace about the problems they have experienced. So I am for keeping this topic open and discussing the problem. I don't think we'll even get to the bottom of it, but I am very sure those effected by it, will get over it

[Love,]

Wow, this is really a soap opera!

I'm so glad this is really not much of my concerns, because I was never friends nor acquainted with any of these four "people."

I know that those who were "close" to GD and CA would want to give them the benefit of the doubt, but chats and emails can only verify so much.

I'm curious to know:
• How many of you who were friends with one of these four characters have webcammed with them?
• How many of you have spoken to them either via voice chat or on the phone?