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[cec]

Celine's tour is GREAT!  Celine's show in Las Vegas was MAGIC!!!!!!!       

[Your_Su_Phu]

Gonzalillo, on Dec 26 2008, 06:41 PM, said:

But is she relevant today?? She wasn't relevant anymore when A New Day ended, and touring the world didn't help to fix that. Perhaps they still know who is Céline Dion in USA, Japan and Canada, but what concerns Europe and my country... sometimes I even have to recall the only song for what she's known popularly (something I thought I'd never have to do!): "she's the singer of the Titanic theme!!" . Then they start to remember.

no she's not really relevant. but I think you're being a little dramatic.  seriously the career she's had has been amazing. very very few people have had the same success.  but that's the thing, it can never last forever. even if it's over from now on it doesn't really matter, she's already established her place in music history.  I'm sorry but everyone has their own era. their own time. and then it's gone. everyone becomes 'washed up' eventually.  the fact that you say so many people these days only know her from titanic..well that's actually a good thing, since otherwise they would not know her at all.  the fact that she has a signature song at all that decades later will remain synonymous with her name, no matter how overexposed and hated nowadays, is a great thing in the long run.  

again she is the epitome of an international star. she may no longer be relevant but it's obvious she's earned an extensive international fanbase which remains loyal by buying her albums despite the fact that she hasn't had a real big hit in almost a decade.

anyone could go on about "oh this person doesn't know them" or  "in my country no one knows her", etc.etc. but at the end of the day it would simply be your individual experience. there is no artist/celebrity/figure out there that is known by everyone and ESPECIALLY no one who is liked by everyone.  while some of her german concerts sold badly, by and large her world tour has been hugely successful.  I'm sorry but there are established pop acts of the past decade who are STILL hugely relevant right now and yet they can't sell out a stadium to save their life, in their very own country not to mention across the world.

I don't think anyone can blame aretha or barbra or stevie wonder or whatever for not having a #1 hit nowadays. their time is over.

sure, celine is only 40 but most ppl think she's 50.  maybe maybe she could turn it around and revitalize her career for one more decade, or maybe she'll even pull some shocking comeback (no matter how shortlived) like cher did in her 50's.  but no matter what it will never measure up to her prime years in the mid to late 90's, which was her time.

edit: to the ppl who say vegas was good for her vocally..are you talking about cos she could rest her voice with all the lipped tracks? cos seriously her singing in vegas was largely gross.  extremely nasal and unpleasant.  I can't watch the entire vegas dvd these days, just the bonus features.

Edited by Your_Su_Phu, 29 December 2008 - 10:48 PM.

[Nmj]

Thanks Sophon they need to chill, what will happen will happen i hate to say it ...like a vegas return or not we have NO SAY..

[Javito]

Your_Su_Phu, on Dec 30 2008, 05:47 AM, said:

Gonzalillo, on Dec 26 2008, 06:41 PM, said:

But is she relevant today?? She wasn't relevant anymore when A New Day ended, and touring the world didn't help to fix that. Perhaps they still know who is Céline Dion in USA, Japan and Canada, but what concerns Europe and my country... sometimes I even have to recall the only song for what she's known popularly (something I thought I'd never have to do!): "she's the singer of the Titanic theme!!" . Then they start to remember.

no she's not really relevant. but I think you're being a little dramatic.  seriously the career she's had has been amazing. very very few people have had the same success.  but that's the thing, it can never last forever. even if it's over from now on it doesn't really matter, she's already established her place in music history.  I'm sorry but everyone has their own era. their own time. and then it's gone. everyone becomes 'washed up' eventually.  the fact that you say so many people these days only know her from titanic..well that's actually a good thing, since otherwise they would not know her at all.  the fact that she has a signature song at all that decades later will remain synonymous with her name, no matter how overexposed and hated nowadays, is a great thing in the long run.  

again she is the epitome of an international star. she may no longer be relevant but it's obvious she's earned an extensive international fanbase which remains loyal by buying her albums despite the fact that she hasn't had a real big hit in almost a decade.

anyone could go on about "oh this person doesn't know them" or  "in my country no one knows her", etc.etc. but at the end of the day it would simply be your individual experience. there is no artist/celebrity/figure out there that is known by everyone and ESPECIALLY no one who is liked by everyone.  while some of her german concerts sold badly, by and large her world tour has been hugely successful.  I'm sorry but there are established pop acts of the past decade who are STILL hugely relevant right now and yet they can't sell out a stadium to save their life, in their very own country not to mention across the world.

I don't think anyone can blame aretha or barbra or stevie wonder or whatever for not having a #1 hit nowadays. their time is over.

sure, celine is only 40 but most ppl think she's 50.  maybe maybe she could turn it around and revitalize her career for one more decade, or maybe she'll even pull some shocking comeback (no matter how shortlived) like cher did in her 50's.  but no matter what it will never measure up to her prime years in the mid to late 90's, which was her time.

Hey, what a good reasoning you did! Thanks for your reply, you too are right on many things you say and that's what I like the most of this forum: we can share different points of view with respect

I agree with many things you said. I know Céline had her days of glory and her best days are over, but to this, I always have to reply the same: I'm not asking for the major effort to come from Céline, but from her recording company, Sony BMG, which seems to have abandoned her. Since 2003 that she started LV shows, she has been isolated, marginalized and ostracized by her own record label. The only question here is why. WHY? Why that treat to her by her own team?. And above all, why Céline's team has to bear with this attitude and doesn't do anything to change that?.

And not to mention how things evolved with the new album (who very few people knows about its existence) Taking Chances, with just 1 videoclip and the first single BARELY played on radios (we'd better not talk about Alone and Eyes On Me).
I'm just asking for more efforts and support from her recording company, just like what we can see with other big female singers, I'm not pushing anything on Céline because we all know that she left that way many years ago (though shooting 3 videoclips for an album, is that hard to do for her??? ).

We could have great editions of each of her albums, tons of bonus contents and more DVD releases with her albums, her songs played on radios, cd singles with interesting tracklists, unreleased songs and a looong etc. But all we see is a complete lack of interest in Céline today from what it should be her main supporter (again, her team and record label), as if she was retired and doing a tour where she mainly sings her old hits, without little new music to promote, without a new album (that is there in the stores!!).

During 5 years I've never understood the behaviour of Sony BMG towards Céline (and I think I'll never do) but less I will understand the lack of action that Céline and René had put to change this.

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edit: to the ppl who say vegas was good for her vocally..are you talking about cos she could rest her voice with all the lipped tracks? cos seriously her singing in vegas was largely gross.  extremely nasal and unpleasant.  I can't watch the entire vegas dvd these days, just the bonus features.

Neither I can. To be sincere, I did only see it full once She's shouting almost all the time and sings very loud, without modulation. Why? Again, this is consequence of been singing every week during almost 5 years.
I hope she takes a good break to rest her voice and sing again with passion and feeling in the future, like she did BEFORE Las Vegas

[Davey84]

I totally agree with your last post... I would only agree with a new LV deal if:

she doesn't have a killer run like before, but more like cher and bette, so that she can;

record good albums over periods of time not in 2 weeks
promote these albums well, not a killer schedual like with ANDHC or TC, but be in the UK for a week perhaps, and then go to France for a week etc.
be able to have a concert outside LV, so not an 'Ceasars Palace Exclusive'
have a record company that cares about the current Céline, not the milking cow from the 90ies
the possibility to record the Callas movie
but most of all before doing anything;
the possibility to have a second child!!!!

[Javito]

Davey84, on Dec 30 2008, 12:24 PM, said:

have a record company that cares about the current Céline, not the milking cow from the 90ies

Exactly that, Davey! We've seen more re-releases than new & original material these past years, when she had enough albums per year to release up to 4 singles for each one. With Taking Chances we don't even got an official second single, because EOM was released only for UK.

So why SonyBMG returns this treat to Céline? and the fans that are out there, waiting for new releases?? That's the only question about it, and if there's someone to blame, its of course Sony because they could do much more than what they do (if they do something!) and to promote an album, play it in the radios, release singles, remixes, and special editions with nice contents they don't need Céline to do that. Notice that I'm not even asking for Céline to do NOTHING, but her recording company to do what it is supposed to do!!!

I wonder how on Earth Céline and René can be happy with the current marketing that SonyBMG is doing for her? She looks excluded in many aspects since 2004

[CSCfan]

Soph, do you have a heavier dose of your chill pill?

[Javito]

CSCfan, on Dec 30 2008, 02:11 PM, said:

Soph, do you have a heavier dose of your chill pill?

I was going to ask him for one , but I think that even with a heavy dose of those lovely special chill pills my aversion towards Sony wouldn't ease off   

Edited by Gonzalillo, 30 December 2008 - 07:20 AM.

[marceljansen]

Ohmygood!!!

I think, the the big question is:

What does Celine after her world tour? a new baby - OK - i hope that!!

more tours ????? think celine & family have enough from all travelling around the world for first time.

and the vegas show become a new show or concert style - it´s not the returning of A New Day.

Celine lives maybe in Florida or Canada and comes to Vegas for the shows - like elton - he do that since years.
Or they lives permanent in lake las vegas... we don´t know that....

2-3 shows a week are enough - maybe between a month off for break or so.....

celine play some old songs - that´s good - but they play in a new show new songs from taking chances - or new songs - maybe she prodcuces some songs in 2009 - who knows that....

for all what celine do - i support her - and i think - EVERY FAN are going back to Vegas - and Caesars will make a big GIG with her.....

[Filine]

LOL boy, some of you have strong opinions about Vegas. The truth is she is still extemely succesful, she right after Madonna in the top grossing tours of 2008... strangely enoughtthe only place where her succes isn't shining through is obviously the charts. She has drawn 3 million people to see her show...she just performed all over the world! Sorry, but fading phenomenons like some of you claim Céline is, just aren't able to pull this kind of stuff off! It's all possible because of her good name and achievements.

I want her to be authentic and pure in her singing more than anything...but her chart succes of the past turned her into the commercial icon and the money-machine that her english career is today... it's an image created by her succes and general audiences expect her to live up to it, it's pure business and of course they are exploiting it! She set a precedent in Vegas and we all know it, many other artists will follow because it's no longer album sales that brings in the money...it's performing live! Céline performed 850 shows in the last 6 years!

Is the only factor to measure succes a #1 position on the charts these days? I don't think so...I think Céline doesn't need to be #1. Like some of you said Sony did nothing for her in the past 6 years... and the truth is she doesn't need them. They cooked up their own thing and made it work! A New Day... has been the rebirth of Caesars, Harrah's and maybe even Las Vegas!

Underneath the public image, there's still the Céline, that we here all love to pieces. The woman that can touch your soul with her voice. And to me, no matter how much theatrical stuff, LED screens and dancers they put around her, I keep seeing that in whatever she does!

[Javito]

Filine, on Jan 3 2009, 09:34 PM, said:

LOL boy, some of you have strong opinions about Vegas. The truth is she is still extemely succesful, she right after Madonna in the top grossing tours of 2008... strangely enoughtthe only place where her succes isn't shining through is obviously the charts. She has drawn 3 million people to see her show...she just performed all over the world! Sorry, but fading phenomenons like some of you claim Céline is, just aren't able to pull this kind of stuff off! It's all possible because of her good name and achievements.

And that's what many of us critizise here: she's living of her old and past songs, but not of her current music. People knows her past hits, TPOL and MHWGO, but doesn't recognize any of her new song since 2003. Don't you think she (and her team) should have worked (and work) to change that a little bit?   

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I want her to be authentic and pure in her singing more than anything...but her chart succes of the past turned her into the commercial icon and the money-machine that her english career is today... it's an image created by her succes and general audiences expect her to live up to it, it's pure business and of course they are exploiting it! She set a precedent in Vegas and we all know it, many other artists will follow because it's no longer album sales that brings in the money...it's performing live! Céline performed 850 shows in the last 6 years!

IMHO, sorry, but I don't find that a piece of information to be proud of . It sounds like a marathonian exploit, where I only see a woman who entered Las Vegas with a soft and modulated voice, that felt what she sang on each note, and now I usually see a Céline who sings mechanically each song, like a robot, exceeding in the high notes and shouting excessively, with some exceptions from time to time (usually new songs that she has sung very few times).

That's all the consequences I've seen of all that Vegas story, a damage in her voice, in her way of performing.

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Is the only factor to measure succes a #1 position on the charts these days? I don't think so...I think Céline doesn't need to be #1. Like some of you said Sony did nothing for her in the past 6 years... and the truth is she doesn't need them. They cooked up their own thing and made it work! A New Day... has been the rebirth of Caesars, Harrah's and maybe even Las Vegas!

Whaaaat? and what Céline fan cares about that?? I don't and can't care if Céline's show was the rebirth of Caesar's palace or Las Vegas city. Who cares about that?? I'm a Céline fan, not Las Vegas tourism fan

The question is that Las Vegas show was all the brilliant, great and amazing that all pro-Vegas fans may want, but if she had only performed ONCE that show, released it on a DVD, and move on to another thing, it would have been as brilliant as if she had done it 800 times! (with the difference that she would have kept her beautiful voice pre-2003)

You know, we still can't watch a single scene of the Olympia concerts she did in 1994 on a TV screen (not even in youtube! ), 15 years after they've been made, but I like that concert cent times more than the Las Vegas shows. Just one show of that Olympia performances worths more than the 850 shows she did in Las Vegas for me

Of course all the Caesars palace team, from the owner of the colisseum to the cleaning ladies must be rubbing their hands together in view of Céline's possible come back to Las Vegas    But that's not nice for Céline, she's been completely exploited during 5 years.

Just my two cents!!     

Edited by Gonzalillo, 03 January 2009 - 03:36 PM.

[CSCfan]

CHILL PILLLLLL

[Lymon]

Gonzalillo, on Jan 3 2009, 04:29 PM, said:

Filine, on Jan 3 2009, 09:34 PM, said:

LOL boy, some of you have strong opinions about Vegas. The truth is she is still extemely succesful, she right after Madonna in the top grossing tours of 2008... strangely enoughtthe only place where her succes isn't shining through is obviously the charts. She has drawn 3 million people to see her show...she just performed all over the world! Sorry, but fading phenomenons like some of you claim Céline is, just aren't able to pull this kind of stuff off! It's all possible because of her good name and achievements.

And that's what many of us critizise here: she's living of her old and past songs, but not of her current music. People knows her past hits, TPOL and MHWGO, but doesn't recognize any of her new song since 2003. Don't you think she (and her team) should have worked (and work) to change that a little bit?   

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I want her to be authentic and pure in her singing more than anything...but her chart succes of the past turned her into the commercial icon and the money-machine that her english career is today... it's an image created by her succes and general audiences expect her to live up to it, it's pure business and of course they are exploiting it! She set a precedent in Vegas and we all know it, many other artists will follow because it's no longer album sales that brings in the money...it's performing live! Céline performed 850 shows in the last 6 years!

IMHO, sorry, but I don't find that a piece of information to be proud of . It sounds like a marathonian exploit, where I only see a woman who entered Las Vegas with a soft and modulated voice, that felt what she sang on each note, and now I usually see a Céline who sings mechanically each song, like a robot, exceeding in the high notes and shouting excessively, with some exceptions from time to time (usually new songs that she has sung very few times).

That's all the consequences I've seen of all that Vegas story, a damage in her voice, in her way of performing.

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Is the only factor to measure succes a #1 position on the charts these days? I don't think so...I think Céline doesn't need to be #1. Like some of you said Sony did nothing for her in the past 6 years... and the truth is she doesn't need them. They cooked up their own thing and made it work! A New Day... has been the rebirth of Caesars, Harrah's and maybe even Las Vegas!

Whaaaat? and what Céline fan cares about that?? I don't and can't care if Céline's show was the rebirth of Caesar's palace or Las Vegas city. Who cares about that?? I'm a Céline fan, not Las Vegas tourism fan

The question is that Las Vegas show was all the brilliant, great and amazing that all pro-Vegas fans may want, but if she had only performed ONCE that show, released it on a DVD, and move on to another thing, it would have been as brilliant as if she had done it 800 times! (with the difference that she would have kept her beautiful voice pre-2003)

You know, we still can't watch a single scene of the Olympia concerts she did in 1994 on a TV screen (not even in youtube! ), 15 years after they've been made, but I like that concert cent times more than the Las Vegas shows. Just one show of that Olympia performances worths more than the 850 shows she did in Las Vegas for me

Of course all the Caesars palace team, from the owner of the colisseum to the cleaning ladies must be rubbing their hands together in view of Céline's possible come back to Las Vegas    But that's not nice for Céline, she's been completely exploited during 5 years.

Just my two cents!!     

Agreed 100%. During Celine's 5 years in Vegas, it was all about Rene exploiting her and making as much money as he can off of her. He doesn't give a crap about her artistic career at all. If stripping on stage while singing lullaby's is what would make Celine even more money than she does now, Rene would sign her up for a 20 year Las Vegas deal to do it. And her team keeps having her live in the past with her boring old hits. Celine had an album of fresh new songs that all had the potential to be Top 10 hits(especially songs like Fade Away, Shadow of Love, and This Time), and what did Sony and Rene do? Release a first single that for the first minute, sounds like a classic Celine song. That single flopped. Then released EOM in the UK without any promotion whatsoever(except for one lipped performance on the An Audience With special), and that flopped. Then released Alone(a very classic Celine sounding song with a bit of an edge in the second half), a well known cover, to the rest of the world, and that pretty much went nowhere(need I mention the music video?)

Why is her team having her life in the past? It's not fair to her, and they're exploiting her "family first" attitude to get more quick money off of her former glory. I can agree that Celine's best days may be done, but she can surely make a big comeback to the charts and current music industry. Look at Madonna, she's 50 and has been in the spotlight since the 80's! She's rarely left it, because she has a team that knows what they're doing, how to promote things, and how to do stuff. As much as I don't like Madonna, she has a smart team around her(and she herself is a very savvy business woman, though i'm not saying Celine is dumb by any means). Going to Vegas is gonna ruin her. The same old theatrics, the same old hits, the same old playback tracks, the same old everything. I want her to sing in venues she wants to go to, do smaller shows, do simplier songs, I want her to do what she feels comfortable with, not what Rene is comfortable with.

Sorry if that didn't make too much sense

[Timster]

Well said Lymon!

[Celine_mon amour]

I hope she does go back to Vegas...I certainly go there...
Céline has been successful in Las Vegas and certainly will be successful again..

I hope I hope I hope

[Jacqui]

I want her to take the break she needs and have another child. But as for her career after that, Vegas or not, I don't mind what she does.

What I find disturbing is the amount of people here who seem to think Celine is some kind of puppet being "exploited." Give her some credit- she has the ability to make her own decisions. She has intelligence, wisdom from what she has experienced in her life and the entertainment industry, and we know that when she feels strongly about something, she can be pretty strong and determined!! She can tell Rene, or Caesars Palace, or whoever else, "NO, I don't want to do that." But if she doesn't say no, if SHE decides she wants to do this, then it's her choice, her responsibility, her consequences- and I believe if she makes that decision, it's because it's what she wants to do.

There's no point arguing over should she/shouldn't she- it's not up to us to decide. And we're going to support her, either way.

[Shaun]

Well Jacqui, your point isn't quite true is it? Even Celine admitted on the "A New Day..." DVD that she would've done anything to get out of the original contract with Caesars but Rene told her too much money and too many people were involved so in essence she was forced to see her contract out. Now I have no doubt that Celine was involved heavily in the decision to sign the contract in the first place and indeed to extend the deal to 5 years but the fact remains she wanted out of the deal after signing it and couldn't so she was forced into it.

[stevo]

No more Vegas Celine. That'll be it for her.

[CSCfan]

Well she still could've if she really wanted to....but it would've costed a LOT of money and a LOT of effort.. and I don't know if she could've lived with such "guilt" (instead of listening to her heart, she ended up listening to her mind). In the end it all worked out fortunately..

[Shaun]

Yes of course it all did work out in the end and the whole thing was successful beyond anyones wildest dreams. I think it's clear though she couldn't get out of it though. Rene looked into it and he couldn't get her out of the contract. So Celine was told to get on with it basically.

Now don't get me wrong I thought Vegas was superb for Celine in that it was a risk that paid off and it ushered in a new era for Las Vegas and attracted a different kind of tourist there but i'm afraid i'm still firmly camped in the "been there done that" category and believe Celine shouldn't lessen her impact on Las Vegas history by going back. She simply doesn't need to.

[Lymon]

Jacqui, on Jan 3 2009, 06:45 PM, said:

I want her to take the break she needs and have another child.

That's the most important thing right now. After she's done with this far-too-long tour, she needs to take a break and try for a second child. She truly deserves to have another miracle in her life, and I hope it works out for her.

[TEREFUNKEN]

Gonzalillo, on Dec 30 2008, 08:19 AM, said:

CSCfan, on Dec 30 2008, 02:11 PM, said:

Soph, do you have a heavier dose of your chill pill?

I was going to ask him for one , but I think that even with a heavy dose of those lovely special chill pills my aversion towards Sony wouldn't ease off   

HELLO GONZALILLO!

I´m totally agree with you...!  SONY BMG is not good for CELINE... see...in MEXICO they printed wrong a name of a song (as many of you already know!...THE POWER OF CREAM!...instead "THE POWER OF THE DREAM")

can you believe that????... they HAVE to be more professional on this kind of things!...  

SALUDOS DESDE MEXICO!

GREETINGS FROM MEXICO!

TERE

[Javito]

TEREFUNKEN, on Jan 4 2009, 01:53 AM, said:

Gonzalillo, on Dec 30 2008, 08:19 AM, said:

CSCfan, on Dec 30 2008, 02:11 PM, said:

Soph, do you have a heavier dose of your chill pill?

I was going to ask him for one , but I think that even with a heavy dose of those lovely special chill pills my aversion towards Sony wouldn't ease off   

HELLO GONZALILLO!

I´m totally agree with you...!  SONY BMG is not good for CELINE... see...in MEXICO they printed wrong a name of a song (as many of you already know!...THE POWER OF CREAM!...instead "THE POWER OF THE DREAM")

can you believe that????... they HAVE to be more professional on this kind of things!...  

SALUDOS DESDE MEXICO!

GREETINGS FROM MEXICO!

TERE

  

[Jacqui]

Shaun, on Jan 4 2009, 10:58 AM, said:

Well Jacqui, your point isn't quite true is it? Even Celine admitted on the "A New Day..." DVD that she would've done anything to get out of the original contract with Caesars but Rene told her too much money and too many people were involved so in essence she was forced to see her contract out. Now I have no doubt that Celine was involved heavily in the decision to sign the contract in the first place and indeed to extend the deal to 5 years but the fact remains she wanted out of the deal after signing it and couldn't so she was forced into it.

LOL I think my point is true- that's actually part of my point- it's about her taking responsibility for the decisions she's made. She decided she wanted to do the Vegas show, she signed the contract, and she could have point blank refused to go on stage, if it had mattered THAT much to her. Nobody forced her to do it. She got herself into that situation. I don't mean to sound unsympathetic, but it's not Rene's fault that Celine changed her mind, and I don't see why people act as if she's some kind of victim.

And this time around, if she goes back to Vegas, she knows exactly what she's getting herself into. Whether we like it or not.

[SuperLove4Celine]

Jacqui, on Jan 3 2009, 05:15 PM, said:

Shaun, on Jan 4 2009, 10:58 AM, said:

Well Jacqui, your point isn't quite true is it? Even Celine admitted on the "A New Day..." DVD that she would've done anything to get out of the original contract with Caesars but Rene told her too much money and too many people were involved so in essence she was forced to see her contract out. Now I have no doubt that Celine was involved heavily in the decision to sign the contract in the first place and indeed to extend the deal to 5 years but the fact remains she wanted out of the deal after signing it and couldn't so she was forced into it.

LOL I think my point is true- that's actually part of my point- it's about her taking responsibility for the decisions she's made. She decided she wanted to do the Vegas show, she signed the contract, and she could have point blank refused to go on stage, if it had mattered THAT much to her. Nobody forced her to do it. She got herself into that situation. I don't mean to sound unsympathetic, but it's not Rene's fault that Celine changed her mind, and I don't see why people act as if she's some kind of victim.

And this time around, if she goes back to Vegas, she knows exactly what she's getting herself into. Whether we like it or not.

Amen.  You took the words right out of my mouth (or fingers depending how you want to look at it).

- Joe

[Javito]

Jacqui, on Jan 4 2009, 02:15 AM, said:

LOL I think my point is true- that's actually part of my point- it's about her taking responsibility for the decisions she's made. She decided she wanted to do the Vegas show, she signed the contract, and she could have point blank refused to go on stage, if it had mattered THAT much to her. Nobody forced her to do it. She got herself into that situation.

I don't want to imagine how much would have costed the stipulated cancellation clause of the contract . Maybe the double, triple of the initial contract to sign.

Edited by Gonzalillo, 03 January 2009 - 07:34 PM.

[hazard211]

So i was reading the thread about Celine possibly going back to Vegas after the break and was surprised by so many people thinking it was not the best idea. I wanted to know what everyone else thought she should do? Like go on another tour after doing another album or doing a Vegas show someplace else other then Vegas. Just curious...

If there is another post like this I'm sorry just let me know..

[Matias]

I would like to know why Celine and her time don't pay more atention to her current album, only one video??? I mean remeber wheh TCOML had like 4!!

[Attendais]

She should buy a new house and focus on recording groundbreaking album. Focus on its promotion, record videoclips and go touring, including not 150 concerts but 20 maybe.

[Filine]

Gonzalillo, on Jan 3 2009, 10:29 PM, said:

Filine, on Jan 3 2009, 09:34 PM, said:

LOL boy, some of you have strong opinions about Vegas. The truth is she is still extemely succesful, she right after Madonna in the top grossing tours of 2008... strangely enoughtthe only place where her succes isn't shining through is obviously the charts. She has drawn 3 million people to see her show...she just performed all over the world! Sorry, but fading phenomenons like some of you claim Céline is, just aren't able to pull this kind of stuff off! It's all possible because of her good name and achievements.

And that's what many of us critizise here: she's living of her old and past songs, but not of her current music. People knows her past hits, TPOL and MHWGO, but doesn't recognize any of her new song since 2003. Don't you think she (and her team) should have worked (and work) to change that a little bit?   

Of course I want her to be herself more, to dig into new stuff, to show more of who she is. I want her every album to be a succes and I want her to take risks to show other sides of herself. I especially want her to be the authentic and pure person she is, like I said. Céline and her team should have worked more on that, but they were doing A New Day.... remember, you just can't do it all. She was probably just making records because she has a deal with Sony and they want their piece of the pie too, like every business! A New Day... was a concept, a trademark and we all know that Franco wasn't all to happy about the changes they made in the show, especially for the last year.

Gonzalillo, on Jan 3 2009, 10:29 PM, said:

Filine, on Jan 3 2009, 09:34 PM, said:

I want her to be authentic and pure in her singing more than anything...but her chart succes of the past turned her into the commercial icon and the money-machine that her english career is today... it's an image created by her succes and general audiences expect her to live up to it, it's pure business and of course they are exploiting it! She set a precedent in Vegas and we all know it, many other artists will follow because it's no longer album sales that brings in the money...it's performing live! Céline performed 850 shows in the last 6 years!

IMHO, sorry, but I don't find that a piece of information to be proud of . It sounds like a marathonian exploit, where I only see a woman who entered Las Vegas with a soft and modulated voice, that felt what she sang on each note, and now I usually see a Céline who sings mechanically each song, like a robot, exceeding in the high notes and shouting excessively, with some exceptions from time to time (usually new songs that she has sung very few times).

That's all the consequences I've seen of all that Vegas story, a damage in her voice, in her way of performing.

Of course she changed, but it's not all because of Vegas. She is no longer interested either in singing perfectly, she says it all the time. Her priorities changed she no longer lives for her voice. René-Charles was the reason she wanted to drop the entire A New Day... thing in the first place, she wanted out of it.The change in her voice you are talking about happened even before Vegas! It's her family that comes first now. Yes, Las Vegas, was a marathon with physical consequences, but to be honest I think a worldtour like she's doing now is twice as tough! I am as a fan proud of what they accomplished in Las Vegas, I've seen the show many times...I've seen that Céline had good days and bad days there like every single person on earth has good and bad days. But most of the time I've seen the joy, passion and energy in her eyes, that came with doing this show. I met the people that worked behind the scenes, I have been on the stage and back stage...I even was lucky enough to meet Céline there. The truth is that she did write entertainment history and it's one of the things she will be remembered for. I bet it was René's finest hour as a businessman so far! Is it all about money for him? Or is it about surpassing himself? He has his dreams too and knowing Céline she will help him to make them come true.

Gonzalillo, on Jan 3 2009, 10:29 PM, said:

Filine, on Jan 3 2009, 09:34 PM, said:

Is the only factor to measure succes a #1 position on the charts these days? I don't think so...I think Céline doesn't need to be #1. Like some of you said Sony did nothing for her in the past 6 years... and the truth is she doesn't need them. They cooked up their own thing and made it work! A New Day... has been the rebirth of Caesars, Harrah's and maybe even Las Vegas!

Whaaaat? and what Céline fan cares about that?? I don't and can't care if Céline's show was the rebirth of Caesar's palace or Las Vegas city. Who cares about that?? I'm a Céline fan, not Las Vegas tourism fan

The question is that Las Vegas show was all the brilliant, great and amazing that all pro-Vegas fans may want, but if she had only performed ONCE that show, released it on a DVD, and move on to another thing, it would have been as brilliant as if she had done it 800 times! (with the difference that she would have kept her beautiful voice pre-2003)

You know, we still can't watch a single scene of the Olympia concerts she did in 1994 on a TV screen (not even in youtube! ), 15 years after they've been made, but I like that concert cent times more than the Las Vegas shows. Just one show of that Olympia performances worths more than the 850 shows she did in Las Vegas for me

Of course all the Caesars palace team, from the owner of the colisseum to the cleaning ladies must be rubbing their hands together in view of Céline's possible come back to Las Vegas    But that's not nice for Céline, she's been completely exploited during 5 years.

Just my two cents!!     

Have you been to Vegas to see that show? Have you seen with your own eyes what impact it had on so many people? How proud people were to work for A New Day... and for Céline and René? How many people kept or got a job because of it? What if this made Céline and René happy too...to be able to give so many people financial security, to give the people they love to work with a homebase, to give people opportunities to exceed themselves artistically and professionally in an unprecedented project. Because that's what I saw when I was there, people there felt like it was the opportunity of a lifetime. I do care about those achievements, it make me proud of her as a person!!

What if they loved to be part of a community, loved to contribute to the community they lived in? What if they loved to give René-Charles his stability, a home and friends. What if it gave her the best of both worlds? She is more than just a singer, she is a people person with her heart in the right place!!

I loved about Vegas that I was able to get to know Céline through the stories of the all the people I met there. That I met so many devoted Céline-fans out there, cheering her on. That I made so many new friends with the same passion for music and art! And the best thing about Vegas was to be able to go back to that every year or so, coming back to a group of friends that became bigger and bigger. That's what this show did too! It connected people from all over the world and I will remember it for the rest of my life, it was magic!

If it was solely about me, about my deepest wish as a fan, I'd say what you say too, please go back to the Olympia Days, Céline. Her voice being the centerpiece of everything around her... her only ambition to exceed herself vocally. But I know that she changed...there's a lot of other stuff that matters to her, she no longer lives for her voice alone...and whatever you say I am proud of that

Edited by Filine, 04 January 2009 - 06:43 AM.