Should Céline pull another WDMHBN?

[mirage]

I think that wouldn't be a problem at all.

 

If she can sing The Reason she should easily still could sing TPOL live.

And she doesn't need to be perfect, she has done the notes in the past in different ways because she was not able to.

 

In the end they were more interesting and still move me more than this lipsynch party

 

 

 

The only thing with her singing the hits live is simply the fact that the amount of shows she performs and the difficulty of the songs themselves would make a solid performance of them consistently nigh on impossible

[AdrienneM]

I think that wouldn't be a problem at all.

 

If she can sing The Reason she should easily still could sing TPOL live.

And she doesn't need to be perfect, she has done the notes in the past in different ways because she was not able to.

 

In the end they were more interesting and still move me more than this lipsynch party

 

If she was struggling with the final note and some of the sustained notes in the early 90s.... nowadays is gonna be more different, i mean, if i listen to the studio version of TPOL and then her live opening phrase of it now, its hard to even picture it as the same person. Plus, TLYM she never was able to deliver perfectly live... i do however think IACBTMN and BYLM are unneccesary to lip. I do think however 23-26 completely live difficult songs, sung multiple times a week is alot to ask of anyone, let alone a 51 year old veteran

Edited August 14, 2019 at 08:27 PM by AdrienneM

[Javito]

That's not a fact, that's an opinion (and a highly debatable one at that).

 

This is an opinion, and it's a general thought shared constantly in this forum among the fans like us who have been watching and witnessing her "involution" as a singer in Vegas through all these long years, losing passion when singing and the autopilot mode becoming the general rule on Vegas, more and more present in her shows. And on the contrary, we can still see her voice shine and become "alive" when she performs for the very first time songs on tributes and awards.

 

Just watch a performance of Celine in Vegas 2005, 2006 and watch her sing in 2014, 2019. We thought her voice was changing in 2005 and getting worse. That was nothing compared to the changes in her voice with the second Vegas residency, particularly from 2015 to 2019.

 

You may like these changes or not, but her marathonian performances in Vegas have taken a toll in the way she sings today, and not for good.

 

Performering the songs for over 20 years ruined the way she sings most of her hits now.... no matter where or when she sang it, vegas, tour, tv...

 

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It's not the "where" or "when". It's not the place nor the time, it's the number of times she has performed those songs. It's not the same to perform MHWGO 200 times through 20 years than 2,000. That has taken a toll in the way she sings all these hits and her autopilot mode, her changes in the melody and the way she sings it's only caused by the exhausting amount of times she has performed them.

 

LV became her bless but also her curse since she turned to be kind of an automatic pilot

when it comes to singing. Becoming a robot on the stage.

She does sing the songs differently, and when doing it, it seems she get the singing more easy.

Most singers I follow don't sing the song the same way it was recorded on the studio.

 

THIS! Thank you.

Edited August 14, 2019 at 08:36 PM by Javito

[AdrienneM]

 

 

This is an opinion, and it's a general thought shared constantly in this forum among the fans like us who have been watching and witnessing her "involution" as a singer in Vegas through all these long years, losing passion when singing and the autopilot mode becoming the general rule on Vegas, more and more present in her shows. And on the contrary, we can still see her voice shine and become "alive" when she performs for the very first time songs on tributes and awards.

 

Just watch a performance of Celine in Vegas 2005, 2006 and watch her sing in 2014, 2019. We thought her voice was changing in 2005 and getting worse. That was nothing compared to the changes in her voice with the second Vegas residency, particularly from 2015 to 2019.

 

You may like these changes or not, but her marathonian performances in Vegas have taken a toll in the way she sings today, and not for good.

 

 

 

It's not the "where" or "when". It's not the place nor the time, it's the number of times she has performed those songs. It's not the same to perform MHWGO 200 times through 20 years than 2,000. That has taken a toll in the way she sings all these hits and her autopilot mode, her changes in the melody and the way she sings it's only caused by the exhausting amount of times she has performed them.

 

 

 

THIS! Thank you.

 

We’re also forgetting however, that in 2005 she was 37, in 2019 shes 51. To assume her voice wouldn’t change in 14 years would be silly to do. We couldnt and can never compare any singer to themselves a long time ago, its simply a fact whether she did 80 shows a year for 20 years or 10 shows a year for 20 years, she would still change vocally, age does that.

 

Her voice is only going to get deeper and more fragile, as it does with every vocalist as they age. It’s unfortunate but its just how it goes i suppose. I also contribute alot of her vocal changes due to both illness and multiple periods of high stress, which arent good for you anyway, not just vocally but all over.

 

Take Aretha Franklin for example, a legendary and incredible vocalist, who didnt do a huge amount of concerts in her prime or in her older age, still changed and if you compared her at 50 to her at 35 even, the change is very obvious.

 

Most singers voices will change every 5-10 years, Celine is simply unfortunate due to various situations in her life, it certainly hasnt come from her great vocal technique, her great care she takes with her voice not including lipping most anything that would be hard to do nightly... it would be a thousand times worse had she never lipped

[CelinesDIVO5]

I also think they could give TLYM a rest for a while. Nice song. But after ALL this time it haa gotten boring.

 

Where exactly was this a hit and when? Besides Japan.

 

It’s well known here in the US. It was #1 on AC, #11 on airplay only chart, and #22 on mainstream top 40. And this was a promo only release!

[Critiaslux]

This is an opinion, and it's a general thought shared constantly in this forum among the fans like us who have been watching and witnessing her "involution" as a singer in Vegas through all these long years, losing passion when singing and the autopilot mode becoming the general rule on Vegas, more and more present in her shows. And on the contrary, we can still see her voice shine and become "alive" when she performs for the very first time songs on tributes and awards.

 

Just watch a performance of Celine in Vegas 2005, 2006 and watch her sing in 2014, 2019. We thought her voice was changing in 2005 and getting worse. That was nothing compared to the changes in her voice with the second Vegas residency, particularly from 2015 to 2019.

 

 

You may like these changes or not, but her marathonian performances in Vegas have taken a toll in the way she sings today, and not for good.

 

 

Other artists have vastly less performed than Céline, and their voice have deteriorated too.

For example, Mariah, who has 10 times less performed, and her voice has been at times in a much worse conditions.

Barbra has performed a glimpse of what Céline has done and her voice has deteriorated too.

And to take examples in the lyrical world, look at Maria Callas.

 

It shows that either Céline is lucky or (and) she has good techniques and well trained.

 

You, we, have to accept that simply with age, voice change, like our body, and all muscles, and the few for whom the voice is still in very good shape are rare and exceptions.

Edited August 14, 2019 at 09:39 PM by Critiaslux

[fred]

True. Or perform in a DIFFERENT way. Revamp the hits, invent a new sound etc

 

Thing is 12 years of Vegas ruined the way she sings most of her hits now. Fact. She needed a break from performing a looooooooooooong time ago.

[fred]

As much as I want her to "save her voice" I have to agree that when seeing her live the climax was not MHWGO (actually far from it, though they treat it as a climax with its fixed place in the setlist) but the ABM climax. That was THE Celine moment...

 

But she doesn't have to do soo many vocally demanding songs.

 

I do think "the GP" wouldn't miss BATB to be honest. The last BATB movie hype is way over by now.

 

The hits need to be there (and I am not including TLYM there), correct, but as we said their form needs a drastic change! And I don't think the GB would mourn if BYLM was done in a bit shorter and acoustic version, honestly I don't.

 

Speaking of forms... wouldn't it be so lovely and refreshing if Celine partied up (and renewed) some tracks by performing a remix instead of traditional arangememt - Misled for example. 👌

 

 

They have lost their spark to an extent (BATB more than ABM, nothing beats the feeling that the ABM climax gives you when you experience it live)... considering how mammoth these songs are, it would be hard to do a show without them, theyre on almost every compilation album since their release and its what people associate with her... id love for her to switch TPOL, IACBTMN, BYLM, BATB and ABM for IWYTNM, NBBMH, WTT, HYEBIL and WINY. But it just wouldn’t be practical.. and as much as some may not like to admit it, it wouldnt be a “Celine Dion show” without said songs, for the GP anyway

[fred]

Oh what do you know. Well I didn't miss it during this 9 years at all!

 

Don't get me wrong guys. I don't hate TLYM, far from it. It's a beautiful song. A "real Celine song". But it doesn't do anything for me "live"... not sure it ever has. So for me it's an "unnessesary" song in a setlist at the moment, and only takes place for something else we can hear which we haven't heard live a gazillion times. If she gave it a rest a while more I am sure the nostalgia feel of it would be so great in the future...

 

 

 

All this time? She only started performing it again a year ago after a 9 year break from the song... it could be classed as a fairly new addition to the set list and a refreshing one at that. It wasnt a chart hit anywhere, however, a song in which you can get thousands of people to flawlessly sing along with you (see Hyde Park) is a hit in my book

[fred]

Ok good. When was this? For me the only "proper place" for it is from the LAP album... and there it's a quite odd fit.in Sweden it was played A LOT on radio after the MHWGO hype. But I guess it had it's peak elsewhere in the world way prior since it's presented as a "hit" in LIM. This time cronology have always baffled me. It gives me Westworld wibes.

 

And like I said I do love the song. I just don't think it has any soul live and just takes up place in the live setlists.

 

 

It’s well known here in the US. It was #1 on AC, #11 on airplay only chart, and #22 on mainstream top 40. And this was a promo only release!

[AdrienneM]

As much as I want her to "save her voice" I have to agree that when seeing her live the climax was not MHWGO (actually far from it, though they treat it as a climax with its fixed place in the setlist) but the ABM climax. That was THE Celine moment...

 

But she doesn't have to do soo many vocally demanding songs.

 

I do think "the GP" wouldn't miss BATB to be honest. The last BATB movie hype is way over by now.

 

The hits need to be there (and I am not including TLYM there), correct, but as we said their form needs a drastic change! And I don't think the GB would mourn if BYLM was done in a bit shorter and acoustic version, honestly I don't.

 

Speaking of forms... wouldn't it be so lovely and refreshing if Celine partied up (and renewed) some tracks by performing a remix instead of traditional arangememt - Misled for example. 👌

 

Ive always wanted a full medley of IACBTMN/TPOL/BYLM/TLYM as an acoustic segment, and that would suffice, thats still doing said hits, its just people saying they should be gone period... that, or return BYLM, TPOL and IACBTMN to their full length and glory, even if that would unfortunately mean they were lipped to a new track. A live glorious rendition of the 7 minute version of IACBTMN would completely erase all issues id have with a lip track.

[sarit_celine]

First start with singing them LIVE.

 

That would be the greatest and most 'courage' move she could ever make.

 

And that would DEFINITELY bring 'life' and 'emotions' into the song.

 

And if she really wants to spice things up, do them acoustic freestyle. Just with Scott and her voice.

 

SOTR and PQTME with only Kaven are the only songs from the last years where she felt the song.

 

She will always use playbacks, she has vocal issues

To my opinion, she shouldn't ever use the playbacks just to show

she still have it and can belt the golden notes.

 

I will still follow her even if she won't be able ever

again to belt the damn golden notes.

I wish something on that regard will change for good

in this Tour.

[sarit_celine]

This is an opinion, and it's a general thought shared constantly in this forum among the fans like us who have been watching and witnessing her "involution" as a singer in Vegas through all these long years, losing passion when singing and the autopilot mode becoming the general rule on Vegas, more and more present in her shows. And on the contrary, we can still see her voice shine and become "alive" when she performs for the very first time songs on tributes and awards.

 

Just watch a performance of Celine in Vegas 2005, 2006 and watch her sing in 2014, 2019. We thought her voice was changing in 2005 and getting worse. That was nothing compared to the changes in her voice with the second Vegas residency, particularly from 2015 to 2019.

 

You may like these changes or not, but her marathonian performances in Vegas have taken a toll in the way she sings today, and not for good.

 

 

 

It's not the "where" or "when". It's not the place nor the time, it's the number of times she has performed those songs. It's not the same to perform MHWGO 200 times through 20 years than 2,000. That has taken a toll in the way she sings all these hits and her autopilot mode, her changes in the melody and the way she sings it's only caused by the exhausting amount of times she has performed them.

 

 

 

THIS! Thank you.

 

In order to solve the issue of the autopilot mode, she should be bold and brave

and give all the songs she sang 105464545 times a good rest

and then to find a good arranger that will let her sing more songs live

and in a more easy manner.

 

There might be many ways to treat this

but she is a human being, and if she can run into her comfort zone

she will surly do it and she "doesn't have anything to prove

 

Let's hope after all we will get something freshy from her.

I'm so curious to know what is going to happen on the new Tour.

[Mark_Rdam]

I have a very simple solution: just transpose the songs to a key that she can sing live. I personally prefer her live singing the songs in a different key and arrangement than seeing her playback the original song.

[mirage]

Does she?

 

She can easily sing TPOL/IACBTMN/BYLM live. That's what were talking about. The same old 25 year old songs she been lipping for ages and there is absolutely no spark in those performances anymore. Due the fact she is lipping them.

 

When she started singing MHWGO live again the magic in that song returned.

 

And since those 'hits' will always be a part of the setlist the only way to please us and the general fan that wants to hear the hits is to sing them live.

 

Whether or not she is able to hit the high notes, than change the key to something she is able to, or just lip the note like in ABM, I don't care.

 

 

 

She will always use playbacks, she has vocal issues

 

Edited August 15, 2019 at 10:18 AM by mirage

[sarit_celine]

 

than change the key to something she is able to, or just lip the note like in ABM, I don't care.

 

The question is if she really ready to do something about that.

 

I always smile when I'm seeing her giving

"thumb up" to the sound man- doing great job whenever the time has come to lip a song.

[mirage]

Lol the 'thumbs up' has nothing to do with the soundman doing a 'great job' whenever the playback starts.

 

She does that often and also 'thumbs down' it has to do with the volume of her mic or her in ears.

 

 

 

The question is if she really ready to do something about that.

 

I always smile when I'm seeing her giving

"thumb up" to the sound man- doing great job whenever the time has come to lip a song.

[sarit_celine]

She did that some seconds after the playback started in TPOL

[AdrienneM]

Her doing thumbs up or thumbs down and moving it in said direction usually means turn up or turn down the volume in her in ears, not to do with playback

[sarit_celine]

Her doing thumbs up or thumbs down and moving it in said direction usually means turn up or turn down the volume in her in ears, not to do with playback

 

That's right, but I've noticed she is doing that sometimes

when she goes from singing live, and then the playback/pre-recorded track

entered in. Then she turned to the technicians and gave the thumbs up to whomever that might be

I'm not familiar really with the English terms for that.

I was just wondering the reason she will give that sign when she is actually

lipping

[AdrienneM]

 

 

That's right, but I've noticed she is doing that sometimes

when she goes from singing live, and then the playback/pre-recorded track

entered in. Then she turned to the technicians and gave the thumbs up to whomever that might be

I'm not familiar really with the English terms for that.

I was just wondering the reason she will give that sign when she is actually

lipping

 

Probably giving the thumbs up that its a good volume for her in ears, id assume they play the playback in her ears also to prevent a Mariah Carey at GMA 2014 scandal, where the playback was playing in her ears but it wasnt playing through the speakers so she looked stupid

[sarit_celine]

Probably giving the thumbs up that its a good volume for her in ears, id assume they play the playback in her ears also to prevent a Mariah Carey at GMA 2014 scandal, where the playback was playing in her ears but it wasnt playing through the speakers so she looked stupid

 

WOW! I hope that never happen to Celine. Thanks for explaning now it makes sense to me:)

[Chantemoi]

 

 

All this time? She only started performing it again a year ago after a 9 year break from the song... it could be classed as a fairly new addition to the set list and a refreshing one at that. It wasnt a chart hit anywhere, however, a song in which you can get thousands of people to flawlessly sing along with you (see Hyde Park) is a hit in my book

 

TLYM got decent airtime on VH1 back in its time. Aside from MHWGO, it was the first Céline song I heard... and it prompted me to buy the IACBTMN single, and then ATW... and then I was hooked!

 

Besides, anyone who bought LTAL would remember this catchy melody.

Edited August 15, 2019 at 04:47 PM by Chantemoi

[fred]

I'd still follow her if she only sang songs on the level of At Seventeen and Stand By Your Side... if she only delivered well produced albums and artistic concerts.

 

 

 

She will always use playbacks, she has vocal issues

To my opinion, she shouldn't ever use the playbacks just to show

she still have it and can belt the golden notes.

 

I will still follow her even if she won't be able ever

again to belt the damn golden notes.

I wish something on that regard will change for good

in this Tour.

[sarit_celine]

I'd still follow her if she only sang songs on the level of At Seventeen and Stand By Your Side... if she only delivered well produced albums and artistic concerts.

 

These might be small hopes but so far there are 2 positive points for me about the new Album -

We just heard about 20 sec from PMLALS, but I've paid attention to small details

there, and it seems to be beautifully produced, it will be for sure one of the gems.

 

And the second one, Moccio wrote her a song so just hoping this time

they will put lots of thought with the production/good lyrics etc.

 

For some reason it seems she won't never finish to record this album lol.

[sarit_celine]

On side note, sometimes it feels that Celne

neglecting her music style she had in the 90's

it's not that is something bad, but I miss her songs

that could give this feeling of "another world" when hearing them

and could take you into a journey.

It will be so nice if she will throw us even 2 like these again...

[fred]

To me that's about production and the "sound" of the song. She needs great production again. Fingers crossed for the new album, and that it will have a much higher quality than what we've had since ANDHC. Hope they put quality first this time and not just "got the job done, check, next".

 

On side note, sometimes it feels that Celne

neglecting her music style she had in the 90's

it's not that is something bad, but I miss her songs

that could give this feeling of "another world" when hearing them

and could take you into a journey.

It will be so nice if she will throw us even 2 like these again...

[Ukrfan]

To me that's about production and the "sound" of the song. She needs great production again. Fingers crossed for the new album, and that it will have a much higher quality than what we've had since ANDHC. Hope they put quality first this time and not just "got the job done, check, next".

 

Do you really consider TC bad production? I always thought the album was one of her best in terms of music production. Surprise, Surprise, TC, This Time, EOM, FA... all these tracks were excellent! The only song that was badly produced is probably IGNL, but I still listened to that song numerous times. And overall the album had a good music video, huge promotion, cool photoshoot (maybe the photo they chose for the cover was not the best, but it had many great photos and I loved the style). LMBTL was extremelly lazy in production, I agree.

Edited August 16, 2019 at 05:19 PM by Ukrfan

[Chantemoi]

I'd still follow her if she only sang songs on the level of At Seventeen and Stand By Your Side... if she only delivered well produced albums and artistic concerts.

 

Another good song that came to mind today was “If Walls Could Talk”. The lyrics are decent, the melody is tame, and the sound just oozes sensuality and mood. It’s never been on my list of setlist must-haves, but I think it would suit her current vocal condition, while satisfying the die-hard fans’ thirst for different content. Throw that in the setlist with “Reveal”, and I’d be pleased!!

 

Obviously, it’s all a pipe dream, but I can’t wait to see the new setlist!

[Chantemoi]

On side note, sometimes it feels that Celne

neglecting her music style she had in the 90's

it's not that is something bad, but I miss her songs

that could give this feeling of "another world" when hearing them

and could take you into a journey.

It will be so nice if she will throw us even 2 like these again...

 

What about “Thankful”? I consider that “otherworldly”.