Céline on the cover of Elle Magazine USA, May 2nd, 2019

[Dion2000]

Wow still has to choose......

I know we talked about a double album somewhere on this forum is it too much to ask????

 

Maybe its just the case that theyve recorded a bunch of great songs and she’s struggling to pick

[ryba]

 

 

Maybe its just the case that theyve recorded a bunch of great songs and she’s struggling to pick

one more reason to release a double album Edited May 17, 2019 at 04:46 PM by ryba

[Dion2000]

one more reason to release a double album

 

Actually no. She has absolutely no reason to do so. People using drake as an example when thats a once in forever example, still not a double album either....

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

Actually no. She has absolutely no reason to do so. People using drake as an example when thats a once in forever example, still not a double album either....

 

Many artists have released double albums.

[Dion2000]

 

 

Many artists have released double albums.

 

Could I please have some examples of legendary artists doing this recently, as ive genuinely never seen double albums being released by older artists

[scielle]

 

 

Could I please have some examples of legendary artists doing this recently, as ive genuinely never seen double albums being released by older artists

 

What does "older artists" have to do with anything?

Scorpion was the most commercially successful album of the year - isn't that reason enough to not throw the double album concept out the window?

 

(And for what it's worth, "heritage artists" release box set / compilation / double+ albums more than anyone else, so I truly don't get the point).

 

 

[Lolo88]

That's not VERY recent, but...

 

Shania Twain - "Up!" (double album in 2002)

Michael Jackson - "HIStory" (double album in 1995)

[Dion2000]

 

 

What does "older artists" have to do with anything?

Scorpion was the most commercially successful album of the year - isn't that reason enough to not throw the double album concept out the window?

 

(And for what it's worth, "heritage artists" release box set / compilation / double+ albums more than anyone else, so I truly don't get the point).

 

Yeah, Celine did it YEARS AGO. And the reason older artists were brought up is because a brand new double album (not including re releases or other albums with a new one which is what veteran artists do) is simply because veteran artists do not release new albums with 20-40 tracks on it. Scorpion wasnt even marketed as a double album, rather an extended album featuring different genres of RnB. Not to mention that it received luke warm reviews because critics said it was too long, and due to its length lost its cohesion around half way in. Which is more of a risk, the more tracks you add, the bigger chance of lack of cohesion

[scielle]

 

 

Yeah, Celine did it YEARS AGO. And the reason older artists were brought up is because a brand new double album (not including re releases or other albums with a new one which is what veteran artists do) is simply because veteran artists do not release new albums with 20-40 tracks on it. Scorpion wasnt even marketed as a double album, rather an extended album featuring different genres of RnB. Not to mention that it received luke warm reviews because critics said it was too long, and due to its length lost its cohesion around half way in. Which is more of a risk, the more tracks you add, the bigger chance of lack of cohesion

 

Wasn't marketed as a double album?

Every PR piece and review I saw called it a double album right in the headline.

 

And Celine has had lukewarm reviews her entire career (at best!), so it's not like that was ever a concern before.

Agreed re. cohesion (or lack thereof), of course, but that's not really a concern these days anymore since so much of music consumption today is track-based, so the entire concept of an album is increasingly antiquated to begin with.

[Dion2000]

 

 

Wasn't marketed as a double album?

Every PR piece and review I saw called it a double album right in the headline.

 

And Celine has had lukewarm reviews her entire career (at best!), so it's not like that was ever a concern before.

Agreed re. cohesion (or lack thereof), of course, but that's not really a concern these days anymore since so much of music consumption today is track-based, so the entire concept of an album is increasingly antiquated to begin with.

 

Well that may be the case. Drake himself called it “an extended album, for the fans” so i took it as that.

 

I feel celines lukewarm reviews were often due to poor association Celines name had back in the day and how she was seen as cheesy and weird and people from rock magazines reviewing Celine dion etc etc.

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

Could I please have some examples of legendary artists doing this recently, as ive genuinely never seen double albums being released by older artists

 

 

Joan Baez - 2011

Crosby and Nash - 2004

Bob Dylan - 2015

The Eagles - 2007

Metallica - 2016

Steve Miller Band - 2009

Kylie Minogue (Live) - 2007

Pet Shop Boys - 2006

Prince - 2009 (Triple Album)

Red Hot Chili Peppers - 2011

Rolling Stones - 2005

Bruce Springsteen - 2010/2015 (Live)

Rufus Wainwright - 2007

Neil Young and Crazy Horse - 2012

 

 

While not legends yet, they’ve had incredible careers...

 

Justin Timberlake - 2013

Beyonce - 2008/2013 (Visual)

 

[Dion2000]

 

 

 

yea buuuut if celine had already recorded 40-50 songs just for THIS new alone, then WHY NOT use most of them instead of letting them ROT on sony musics vault for a billion years?? sorry but to me that makes ZERO financial sense & a complete WASTE of her amazing voice & talent to do that!!

 

& after all, WHY would celine record THAT many songs & yet not use most of them!! & yes many other artists, both young & old, DO release double albums/extended albums, it is not a horrible & impossible thing... & like somebody else, pretty much all/most music is DIGITALLY released & sold nowadays anyway... 😊😊

 

Prince has THOUSANDS of songs in his vault, as does Michael jackson. Mariah, another writer, has said normally per album there are 20 tracks that just dont fit the cut. It’s extremely common unless youre a brand new artist to have many, many songs which dont make the final product. Its just this time its been said outloud so now everyones freaking out about it

[Dion2000]

 

 

 

Joan Baez - 2011

Crosby and Nash - 2004

Bob Dylan - 2015

The Eagles - 2007

Metallica - 2016

Steve Miller Band - 2009

Kylie Minogue (Live) - 2007

Pet Shop Boys - 2006

Prince - 2009 (Triple Album)

Red Hot Chili Peppers - 2011

Rolling Stones - 2005

Bruce Springsteen - 2010/2015 (Live)

Rufus Wainwright - 2007

Neil Young and Crazy Horse - 2012

 

 

While not legends yet, they’ve had incredible careers...

 

Justin Timberlake - 2013

Beyonce - 2008/2013 (Visual)

 

Again... live second disc do not make it a double album simply because there are two CDS. In that case every “Now thats what i call” is a double album as well. “Legendary artists who are far into their careers” and you only showed 4 examples of that, nice examples though

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

Again... live second disc do not make it a double album simply because there are two CDS. In that case every “Now thats what i call” is a double album as well. “Legendary artists who are far into their careers” and you only showed 4 examples of that, nice examples though

 

I consider the live ones as double albums, simply because most live albums also have songs cut out and normally ends up as a single LP. And all of the artists in the upper part of my list are legacy artists. Although, age and longevity of career was not even part of the argument until you made it that only a few posts ago.

Edited May 17, 2019 at 06:16 PM by CelinesDIVO5

[Dion2000]

 

 

I consider the live ones as double albums, simply because most love albums also have songs cut out and normally ends up as a single LP. And all of the artists in the upper part of my list are legacy artists. Although, age and longevity of career was not even part of the argument until you made it that only a few posts ago.

 

And yet longevity a legendary artist does not make. There are people who’ve been releasing indie albums for maybe 30 years, doesnt make them legendary

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

And yet longevity a legendary artist does not make. There are people who’ve been releasing indie albums for maybe 30 years, doesnt make them legendary

 

In my eyes, no matter what genre you are part of, if you’ve had a career that has resonated for decades with fans, then you are legendary. They may not be YOUR legends, but that doesn’t mean their legacy is worth less because you happen to not think so.

Edited May 17, 2019 at 06:20 PM by CelinesDIVO5

[Dion2000]

 

 

In my eyes, no matter whad genre you are part of, if you’ve had a career that has resonated for decades with fans, then you are legendary. They may not be YOUR legends, but that doesn’t mean their legacy is worth less because you happen to not think so.

 

Someone who has sold 10,000 albums in a 30 year career who would struggle to fill a school auditorium is not a legend... sorry

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

Someone who has sold 10,000 albums in a 30 year career who would struggle to fill a school auditorium is not a legend... sorry

 

Someone who sells 10,000 albums on their own, with their own resources is pretty successful and legendary to me. Especially since indie artists tend to not release nearly as many albums as someone who is signed to a major label.

[mirage]

The lack of cohesion, they missed that boat with LMBTL already so

 

I don't get why not release 25 songs, even with 15 tracks you skip some because you don't like them . Same for 25.

 

Like some said, these days it's not about the whole album anymore.

Songs get streamed separate etc.

 

If she truly recorded maybe 30 songs, she could release 3 EP's with the 'leftovers' for the coming years.

[scielle]

Well, here's a bit -

http://amp.elle.fr/M...tements-3790386

 

To those interested - $0.99 for he digital edition on the iPad Zinio app (a bit more here, it seems: https://www.zinio.com/elle-france-m3806)

 

Nothing that new, but a nice article nonetheless.

I miss proper interviews, not these 2-minute snippets on E!... It feels like she use to do so many more... or maybe I'm misremembering.

Either way, hopefully we'll get some more soon. And around album release.

[Dion2000]

 

 

wellllll the part about prince, michael jackson, or mariah carey having "1,000s or 100s of songs in a vault" is a bit much EXAGGERATION!! cause yes i do know all artists have a few songs here & there in a vault that does not end up in an album... BUT in the case of prince, MJ, & mariah (& most other artists as well,) they all collectively in their super long music careers have released TONS of albums & songs each in their lifetimes (& mariah is still releasing new music, & had just released a new album earlier this year!!) 😱😱

 

the thing is, why the frack would celine waste time, $$, resources, studio space, etc... to record 40-50 songs & NOT ADD MOST OF THOSE to her album!! i can see a few songs being thrown into a vault, BUT NOT 30+ songs!! 😔😔😒😒😣😣

 

cause ok, even if they were going to save the songs to release when **heaven forbid** celine passes away down the road... but that could hopefully still be a REALLY long time from now, cause for all any of us even know, celine could live up to her 70s, 80s, or even 90s!!!!!! (just like her mom & most of her brothers & sisters are all now!!!!!!) so @ that point when she eventually does pass away (& is up there in age,) it would be very silly & financially stupid to then release songs which celine recorded 20, 30, or 40 years ago when she was in her early 50s/late 40s & much younger lol!! 😋😋😨😨

 

& like a few other people had already said, majority of people buy & stream their music (& movies, books, tv shows, etc...) all DIGITALLY now, through itunes/amazon prime/google play/spotify, etc... very few buy cds & records... sorry but hey that is the cold hard truth!! you keep acting as if this is still "the 1990s" which it is not!! nowadays people will buy & stream TRACK BY TRACK & pick the songs they like best... so why not add the majority of those 40-50 songs to itunes/amazon prime/google play/spotify & let everybidy enjoy them instead of them rotting in some silly vault??

 

Trust me, 1000s of songs is not an estimate. Celine simply records songs she recieves, take Mariah for example. Shes released 17 albums over the course of 30 years. She’s personally said there are always around 20 tracks that dont make the cut. Simple math of 20 x 17 is 340 songs. But thats an estimate.

 

She said she has over 100 songs from between 1990 and 1996 that tommy mottola wouldnt let her release because they were “too rnb”, so thats 440. Then think of all the songs shes partially recorded or has written that she hasnt got to record.

 

Prince, if we take the 20 per album not included, released over 39 albums in 40 years. Thats AT LEAST 780 songs he has recorded and not released. Not to mention other albums he released as side projects. Again, all the songs he wrote yet never got down to recording.

 

 

And i dont think you realise, when youre simply recording a song, you can more or less record one song per day. Celines done that before, its not as if shes taking a week per song, not to mention that studio space is not that expensive, certainly not in celines terms anyway. Again, resources, she uses almost all the same people for the same roles: She even has a whole studio for RC at home she can use if she wants to. And id hardly say its 30 songs gone to waste. The main reason they wouldnt get used is that Celine doesnt like them, engineers or producers or writers dont like them, so they mostly end up remaining unfinished or simply deleted as theyre stored as digital files

[CelinesDIVO5]

 

 

wellllll the part about prince, michael jackson, or mariah carey having "1,000s or 100s of songs in a vault" is a bit much EXAGGERATION!! cause yes i do know all artists have a few songs here & there in a vault that does not end up in an album... BUT in the case of prince, MJ, & mariah (& most other artists as well,) they all collectively in their super long music careers have released TONS of albums & songs each in their lifetimes (& mariah is still releasing new music, & had just released a new album earlier this year!!) 😱😱

 

the thing is, why the frack would celine waste time, $$, resources, studio space, etc... to record 40-50 songs & NOT ADD MOST OF THOSE to her album!! i can see a few songs being thrown into a vault, BUT NOT 30+ songs!! 😔😔😒😒😣😣

 

cause ok, even if they were going to save the songs to release when **heaven forbid** celine passes away down the road... but that could hopefully still be a REALLY long time from now, cause for all any of us even know, celine could live up to her 70s, 80s, or even 90s!!!!!! (just like her mom & most of her brothers & sisters are all now!!!!!!) so @ that point when she eventually does pass away (& is up there in age,) it would be very silly & financially stupid to then release songs which celine recorded 20, 30, or 40 years ago when she was in her early 50s/late 40s & much younger lol!! 😋😋😨😨

 

& like a few other people had already said, majority of people buy & stream their music (& movies, books, tv shows, etc...) all DIGITALLY now, through itunes/amazon prime/google play/spotify, etc... very few buy cds & records... sorry but hey that is the cold hard truth!! you keep acting as if this is still "the 1990s" which it is not!! nowadays people will buy & stream TRACK BY TRACK & pick the songs they like best... so why not add the majority of those 40-50 songs to itunes/amazon prime/google play/spotify & let everybody enjoy them instead of them rotting in some silly vault??

 

Singers usually record upwards of 20-30 songs per record, for variety when choosing which songs make the cut. You can’t just listen to demos and put a track list together, because it’s going to sound completely different once the arrangements are tailored to suit the singer, and then recording and production. The final product is going to be completely different. Although, some of the songs will be recorded even by the singer as a trial and they may throw it away after a few tries of singing the song because it just doesn’t suit the record. It’s all trial and error. Singers may love the songs they choose to record, but they just may not be right for the record. Case in point, “That’s Just The Woman In Me” was on standby for 20-something years. And I think it landed right where it belonged.

Edited May 18, 2019 at 02:58 AM by CelinesDIVO5

[scielle]

More excerpts from French Elle: http://www.elle.fr/Minceur/Bien-etre-relaxation/Celine-Dion-comment-a-t-elle-vaincu-ses-complexes-3790553

[angelil78]

More excerpts from French Elle: http://www.elle.fr/M...mplexes-3790553

 

Coconut water

[AdrienneM]

 

 

yea but for MOST artists they do pick MOST of the songs they record... why celine chose to record 40-50 songs & CAN NOT use them to me is still REALLY DUMB to do...

 

sorry but @ this point this is when celine needs a good manager to step in (like rene did,) & make better decisions by keeping most of the songs (& leaving out a few of the crappy songs lol...) sorry but its just my opinion folks lol... 😳😳😔😔😣😣

 

Why do artist record 30-50 songs?

 

Because they want to have a huge number of songs which fit the theme, they will then have room to chose which ones fit the theme and fit their vibe. They need a bunch of songs because if they only record 20 songs then they realise that only 8-10 of them fit the theme and vibe theyre screwed.

 

Id actually argue that with rene being as picky as he was, he wouldve had her record the same amount, there are probably at least 20 songs he or Celine have disliked thet have went in the garbage for each album, so it has nothing to do with her needing a manager

[DionFanAlways]

Coconut water

What!? Not a fan of l’ eau de coco.

 

Yep Celine and I.... tight! I love the lait de the coconut! Good stuff but only when fresh though and not in cans.

Edited May 19, 2019 at 02:01 PM by DionFanAlways

[angelil78]

What!? Not a fan of l’ eau de coco.

 

Yep Celine and I.... tight! I love the lait de the coconut! Good stuff but only when fresh though and not in cans.

 

Nope not at all! haha. I've only tried once and that was enough lol. But it was from a can. She can afford to have a fresh one lol. Maybe she has a coconut farm?

[DionFanAlways]

Nope not at all! haha. I've only tried once and that was enough lol. But it was from a can. She can afford to have a fresh one lol. Maybe she has a coconut farm?

Ok I have to send you a fresh one. No canned stuff.

[ryba]

Can someone summarize the most interesting things in English? I would really appreciate it, since I don’t understand a word

[angelil78]

Can someone summarize the most interesting things in English? I would really appreciate it, since I don’t understand a word

 

I use Google Chrome automatic Translator