Celine and Pepe

[Jeanette]

 

 

Ok I recognize I love to be dramatic and imagine stupid things. I présent my apologies

 

You may not be that over dramatic though, we honestly don’t know! It does seem strange that he did suddenly disappear from her life completely without a trace, what was the reason, other than the actual distance between them causing somewhat of a rift and for such an extended period of time, basically a full 4 years since covid shut everything down.

 

He was a dancer after all and I don’t suppose it’s inconceivable to think that coming from that background, he would perhaps know of colleagues and friends, if not directly him, who needed a helping hand to get through gruelling dance routines, after all that takes a toll on the body, just the same as singing and performing.

 

I’m not saying that he was definitely a bad influence on her but I’m also saying it’s not impossible either. Like I said previously, I don’t think we’ll ever know the full facts behind all this.

[jpatdeleon09]

I don’t like Pepe around her. Ever since he got in the team. Celine’s body keeps on getting thinner and thinner that it doesn’t look good.

 

Look at the pre and post Pepe era. She’s healthy looking vs on Pepe’s era

Edited September 6, 2024 at 05:52 AM by jpatdeleon09

[Céline RO]

I also sometimes think it might have been a bit of life imitating art, in this case, through song in Ziggy, as in perhaps she fell a little for him and had to distance herself from him to protect her heart from being broken, that might be a stretch but you never know with how close they seemed at that time.

 

She did say on the CWT that she now sings “Ziggy” with him in mind…

[Céline RO]

I don’t like Pepe around her. Ever since he got in the team. Celine’s body keeps on getting thinner and thinner that it doesn’t look good.

 

Look at the pre and post Pepe era. She’s healthy looking vs on Pepe’s era

 

I don’t know what to think about the whole thing.

 

As a stylist, we know he was in charge of her stage outfits (not street looks) and I honestly think he did a good job with that for the most part. He also gave us some great onstage moments like “Le ballet” and FIY, which added something different to Céline’s shows.

 

On a personal level, if he made Céline happy then great; but I also feel like he had her acting in ways which weren’t always 100% the Céline we know (think Gorilla video), which I personally don’t like.

[Jeanette]

 

 

She did say on the CWT that she now sings “Ziggy” with him in mind…

 

Oh, I didn’t know this. Interesting 🤔

[DionFanAlways]

I don't know what to think about the whole thing.

 

As a stylist, we know he was in charge of her stage outfits (not street looks) and I honestly think he did a good job with that for the most part. He also gave us some great onstage moments like "Le ballet" and FIY, which added something different to Céline's shows.

 

On a personal level, if he made Céline happy then great; but I also feel like he had her acting in ways which weren't always 100% the Céline we know (think Gorilla video), which I personally don't like.

Ahh the gorilla. That might of been her though. We like to think we know her but do we really know the behind the scenes her? If it wasn't on camera we would never know. Do y'all remember during one of the speeches at Rene's eulogy someone told a story about them playing golf in the hotel room? I would have never thought that she would do that.

I didn't have an issue with him either. If he brought something different to her life then I'm cool with the relationship. Hey as long as he didn't derail her life/image then more power to him.

[tshlw]

Oh, I didn't know this. Interesting

 

I think it was more I have gay friend now then I have a gay friend I am in secretly in love with why she associates the song with him.

[tshlw]

Ahh the gorilla. That might of been her though. We like to think we know her but do we really know the behind the scenes her? If it wasn't on camera we would never know. Do y'all remember during one of the speeches at Rene's eulogy someone told a story about them playing golf in the hotel room? I would have never thought that she would do that.

I didn't have an issue with him either. If he brought something different to her life then I'm cool with the relationship. Hey as long as he didn't derail her life/image then more power to him.

 

Also during this time we know she was dealing with SPS symptoms she had no idea what they were, the loss of Rene and taking Valium as well as other things as she admitted in interviews. All of that would also impact her behavior.

[Céline RO]

Ahh the gorilla. That might of been her though. We like to think we know her but do we really know the behind the scenes her? If it wasn't on camera we would never know. Do y'all remember during one of the speeches at Rene's eulogy someone told a story about them playing golf in the hotel room? I would have never thought that she would do that.

 

I just find that there’s a slight difference, which I can’t explain. The gorilla in some ways resembled the way we’ve seen Céline act before, or know that she did from stories, but there was a certain vibe to it that felt so different at the same time. The environment too, the location, the timing (and time of day), the people. It just looked off, like irrational behavior, or at least uncharacteristic, even for Céline. You know, there were people asking if she was drunk… and I don’t think I could categorically deny that. Whether it was good or bad, I feel like she wouldn’t have been there in the first place without Pépé, or wouldn’t have allowed herself to act like that if he hadn’t brought that perceived vitality and looseness on her.

[Ororo Munroe]

 

 

I just find that there’s a slight difference, which I can’t explain. The gorilla in some ways resembled the way we’ve seen Céline act before, or know that she did from stories, but there was a certain vibe to it that felt so different at the same time. The environment too, the location, the timing (and time of day), the people. It just looked off, like irrational behavior, or at least uncharacteristic, even for Céline. You know, there were people asking if she was drunk… and I don’t think I could categorically deny that. Whether it was good or bad, I feel like she wouldn’t have been there in the first place without Pépé, or wouldn’t have allowed herself to act like that if he hadn’t brought that perceived vitality and looseness on her.

 

Finally I was not so wrong, there is something weird with this guy

[comingback]

Sorry, but which Gorilla video and is Pepe back? Edited September 6, 2024 at 01:29 PM by comingback

[dawn]

Sorry, but which Gorilla video and is Pepe back?

 

No, Pepe is not back.

 

You can see the video here:

[CelinesDIVO5]

The upset over the gorilla is mind boggling lol. God forbid she go out to have fun and act silly with her friends! So what if she had a couple of drinks? She’s mentioned that she has enjoyed wine and champagne before. I never believed she was 100% a Sober Sally. In fact, she said she was tipsy when she left the voicemail on Ric Wake’s answering machine to sing DSIAFCD so that they wouldn’t lose the thought for the song. The upset around this video is just so manufactured and weird.

[LeChauffeur100]

All this speculation is weird. Firstly, Valium is not something you could get from a drug dealer just because you wanna get high. Especially in Celine’s case. About the gorilla video, she’s just being silly around friends. Even if she was drunk, what’s so wrong about it? As mentioned, she does enjoy a drink now and then, it doesn’t mean she’s an alcoholic. Celine is not an innocent little kid or saint some like to pretend she is. I don’t believe Pepe was a “bad influence” at all, quite the contrary, apart from their great work they had lots of good times together - as adult friends do.

[Alex_Incognito]

What's wrong with people. We don't own Céline nor do we see everything that she does. What we see is the image she wants us to see. Some people need to take a step back and remember they're alive and should be enjoying their lives.

[Jeanette]

I think the whole Gorilla thing was just her losing her inhibitions in what looks like a gay club where everyone was just enjoying themselves and she was probably trying to keep up with the young ones by letting herself go and being a little playful knowing that nothing would come of it. I don’t think we need to jump to any massive conclusions about it.

[jpatdeleon09]

It looks like she took a party drug Edited September 6, 2024 at 07:59 PM by jpatdeleon09

[incognito]

My stepmom has MS and was misusing Valium…she did some out there things until she got a handle on it. It made her hyper loopy. So the gorilla thing could be related to that. Cos it was weird.

 

Anyway, Valium is the drug that Betty Ford became addicted to and is one of the reason the Betty Ford Clinic exists. It’s addicting. Celine had an addiction and that’s kind of been glossed over. Glad she’s doing better now.

[mirage]

It looks like she took a party drug

It looks like you have a boring life.

 

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[Ororo Munroe]

It looks like she took a party drug

 

There is something wrong with him, more I think about it more it makes sense to me.

[jpatdeleon09]

It looks like you have a boring life.

 

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I’m ok with it as long I don’t drink party drugs. Many people have accidents with party drugs and mostly influenced by BIs

Edited September 7, 2024 at 03:55 AM by jpatdeleon09

[jpatdeleon09]

Since we’re talking about drugs. I remember someone posted in this forum years ago that Celine tried Marijuana. She smoked weed accompanied by “friends”. I think it was early 90’s or late 80’s and I remember she tried it once because it was legal in the country.

 

I don’t know if some knows this… just sharing what I remember

Edited September 7, 2024 at 04:06 AM by jpatdeleon09

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

There is something wrong with him, more I think about it more it makes sense to me.

 

Amazing that this didn’t go to the news or social media at that time. Maybe signed some papers to shush? So many were filming and the guy dancing with Celine

[RosieBarron]

Since we’re talking about drugs. I remember someone posted in this forum years ago that Celine tried Marijuana. She smoked weed accompanied by “friends”. I think it was early 90’s or late 80’s and I remember she tried it once because it was legal in the country.

 

I don’t know if some knows this… just sharing what I remember

 

Yes she was in the Netherlands. If I recall she said she tried it once and didn't like it at all.

[RosieBarron]

 

 

Finally I was not so wrong, there is something weird with this guy

 

There was always something weird about the whole thing. Her behaviour around him always seemed odd to me and made me uncomfortable. And yes i know she is her own person and can do what she wants. It was just hard to watch. Ultimately he played along with the tabloid rumours about them when he could have set the record straight and lapped up the publicity. The fact that she felt she had to 'out him' in an interview eventually was also very weird. Maybe the first sign that she'd had enough. There is more to this story than they just drifted apart during covid. To me it seems like in the cold light of day she got herself out of that situation. I'm not disappointed to see the end of that chapter.

[Jeanette]

I must admit the whole thing around not coming out sooner about his sexuality bothered me when all the rumours were swirling about for months. The record could’ve been set straight so much sooner so I do feel like that might have been a bit of marketing strategy for both Celine and him, she was touring at the time after all and he needed a helping hand in moving up the ladder in the fashion world as he’d just given up being a dancer to concentrate on fashion full time, if I’m not mistaken. I do remember checking out his instagram very early on when he appeared out of nowhere for that first dance together during her first French concert in Bordeaux and he had a lot of lgbtq content that miraculously seemed to all be removed as soon as he was seen hanging out with Celine. This for sure didn’t seem right to me.

 

However, as I’ve said, I think we need to give Celine more credit here as she’s not stupid enough not to see through someone, if their intentions aren’t genuine. I mean it clearly takes a lot for her to let someone in the way she did with him. She always kept her personal and professional life totally separate, you never really seen her socialising with anyone from her team before, some of which she had/has worked with for years, like band members etc. Therefore, with him I do feel she did at that time build up a friendship with him due to their common interests in fashion first and foremost.

 

I feel it was only when Pepe started to get into a serious relationship with his now husband that Celine was able to set the record straight about his sexuality. It makes me wonder if their friendship and quite apparent closeness, along with all the tabloid rumours were causing issues in his own relationship but as I said previously, we’ll never know.

[RosieBarron]

I must admit the whole thing around not coming out sooner about his sexuality bothered me when all the rumours were swirling about for months. The record could’ve been set straight so much sooner so I do feel like that might have been a bit of marketing strategy for both Celine and him, she was touring at the time after all and he needed a helping hand in moving up the ladder in the fashion world as he’d just given up being a dancer to concentrate on fashion full time, if I’m not mistaken. I do remember checking out his instagram very early on when he appeared out of nowhere for that first dance together during her first French concert in Bordeaux and he had a lot of lgbtq content that miraculously seemed to all be removed as soon as he was seen hanging out with Celine. This for sure didn’t seem right to me.

 

However, as I’ve said, I think we need to give Celine more credit here as she’s not stupid enough not to see through someone, if their intentions aren’t genuine. I mean it clearly takes a lot for her to let someone in the way she did with him. She always kept her personal and professional life totally separate, you never really seen her socialising with anyone from her team before, some of which she had/has worked with for years, like band members etc. Therefore, with him I do feel she did at that time build up a friendship with him due to their common interests in fashion first and foremost.

 

I feel it was only when Pepe started to get into a serious relationship with his now husband that Celine was able to set the record straight about his sexuality. It makes me wonder if their friendship and quite apparent closeness, along with all the tabloid rumours were causing issues in his own relationship but as I said previously, we’ll never know.

 

Celine is an intelligent independent woman yes, but was used to Rene being there and protecting her. Pepe came along at a time when she was very vulnerable and I can easily see that that was new and exciting and she could have let her guard down. It was always a one sided friendship that ultimately she would dictate. It appears that is what happened. She saw through him and moved on from it.

[lyn]

 

 

No, Pepe is not back.

 

You can see the video here:

 

Lol i’ve never seen that video… but seems so completely on brand lol. I would have expected her to behave this way if she came across a gorilla at any other point in her life hahah

[Dancing_Queen]

I should look up the exact story, but didn't Brendan Kelly kind of confirm that the romantic angle was all orchestrated? He attended the 2017 launch of Céline's handbag line. People kept asking about Pepe and Céline at one point was heard telling someone from her team "see, I knew that would make them talk".

 

I also talked to some people who worked for her at the time. When I referred to the rumour of Céline and Pepe dating, they burst out laughing because it was so obvious to everyone that Pepe was gay (they all seemed to like him, too).

 

I don't know what happened with them, but I do feel that it was a mutually beneficial relationship at first.

I assume something happened in 2021/2022, as Pepe was still involved in the initial RW promo. Don't know exactly when he erased all her stuff from his IG, but it was gone by the end of 2022 and Law was already rumoured to come back by then.

Edited September 8, 2024 at 02:34 AM by Dancing_Queen

[Állex Sodi]

The lengths this idolatry go is insane sometimes.

 

I mean, what is the most logical explanation, base in what we do know? He was probably her party friend, someone to have fun, with no much interests in common besides that and clothes. With her being sick, no being able to enjoy neither of this interests, the friendship probably lost meaning to her and she grew apart. He, being young, felt hurt with the distancing, and reacted how youngers do: deleting photos from social mídia. It might be something simple as that.

 

Not everyone has to like him but to create all this scenarios where he is big villain (drug dealer? really?) is not only ridiculous but very harmful. He is a human being, guys, you know, with feelings and all.