"Courage" album - Official Topic

[smw]

Someone needs to get Celine booked for SNL, I feel like it’s the perfect time in her life to host and perform on that show. I’ve always wondered why she never did it before; but it’s become clear that it wouldn’t been the right time for her in the past, however now seems like the perfect time. These days everyone loves Celine, seems no matter what she does it just in-dears people more to her.

 

SNL, would help promote this album and tour so much, especially her new songs.

 

Agreed! It never felt quite right before but now is the time.

 

At least for her to be the musical guest and make a few appearances in the sketches — but she could be a great host!

[Javito]

Plus I think it's such a long tour and then she's adding dates in Europe also that I don't think will help. I'm not saying she doesn't have stamina but boy this a long tour. It's 11yrs. since TTEOTW , she ain't no spring chicken anymore. No hate just the way I see it.

 

It's been a mistake to do a world tour so close after Vegas, and such a HUGE world tour.

 

And it's been a mistake to start a tour way before the album is released. She will barely do any promo and the people has no idea what this tour is going about, but that's nothing compared to the worrisome condition of her voice

 

I just hope the greediness of her team with this tour don't take its toll.

 

No disrespect/hate here either, but I am pretty sure she has provided an explanation to your observation - in short, no. She has said repeatedly, in many interviews in recent times, that the days of her vocal chords ruling her life are behind her. And I don't blame her one bit.

 

I've seen her live 45 times. A few of those times, her voice didn't cooperate with her completely. But most of the time, she consistently delivered. My most recent time seeing her was the last show in Las Vegas. She might be 51, but she's in the best shape of her life physically and 20 years past her prime she is still singing and performing circles around artists half her age.

 

One thing I wish more people on this forum could comprehend (not you specifically, just a general observation from being a longtime lurker here) is that Celine is well past the point of feeling like she has anything left to prove. She literally says this now continuously in interviews, usually followed by a reminder that she does not at all "need" to continue and that she does it ONLY because she loves to do it. I hate to say it this way, but I get the impression from her that she doesn't really care what any of us think. She says that very nicely. As a fan who has followed her since her beginning here in the USA around 1991, I have to say not only am I not offended by her attitude, I embrace it. I have tremendous respect for her and feel grateful that she does continue to give so much of herself to this art. She could have retired. Worse, she could have gone the way of Elvis or Michael or Prince or Whitney or Luther and been gone way too soon. Instead, she's embarking on what's shaping up to be an enormous tour - visiting fans like me, you, and others around the world. And maybe your show she will have a perfect night. Maybe she will not. But having been to both, I can assure you she puts on quite a show regardless.

 

It gets super exhausting reading posts here where people are still expecting her and her team to make decisions as if she's still working her way to the top. Maybe it's because they are young and don't remember the 1990s? Maybe it's because it just hasn't clicked that she reached the top and then left the top, voluntarily, in 1999? She doesn't care about hits, charts, streams, plays, whatever. She just doesn't. Obviously she generates enough revenue for Sony to keep her signed, but honestly she has so much money now she could easily just create her own record company. I love to see her being appreciated by a new generation and old ones, too - but I think it a lot of commenters here need a reality check.

 

Maybe she is just doing it for pleasure, maybe she's just doing it for fun like you say, but in that case, her team should start telling her that the show and her voice must be up to her voice condition and in accordance with the prices she's asking for tickets.

 

If she's struggling with songs and she's barely began, like Tous les blues, L'amour existe encore, Regarde-moi, just remove these AND replace them with other songs that suit her voice better in these conditions, but don't remove/shorten/alter the register of the songs, when you have dozens more you can sing without forcing your voice. This is always better than cutting songs from scratch or worse, giving an embarrassing performance when you know you can't belt the notes.

 

The impression many have of her team is that she's surrounded only by a bunch of yes-man people that are unable to tell her the mistakes or wrongs.

Edited September 24, 2019 at 09:12 AM by Javito

[DionFanAlways]

It's been a mistake to do a world tour so close after Vegas, and such a HUGE world tour.

 

All I'm saying is it's a different world when you hit that 50 mark. Yes age is just a number but little things creep up on you. I'm in great shape, I run and bike, work full time but little things just hit you!

[Javito]

All I'm saying is it's a different world when you hit that 50 mark. Yes age is just a number but little things creep up on you. I'm in great shape, I run and bike, work full time but little things just hit you!

 

Hey, I wasn't thinking on the age… No, not at all! She's young and full of energy, that's out of the question! But what concerns me is the overuse and abuse of her voice all these long and exhausting Vegas years, and that now that overuse is showing with the current condition of her voice: never before has she struggled that much with consecutive shows and with several songs on the SAME show as with the Quebec shows.

 

That has not to do with age (only), there are surely more factors underneath that we don't even know (pressure, less training, drinks, the boredom when performing that I'm sure she feels... and so on)

Edited September 24, 2019 at 10:52 AM by Javito

[Xpresso]

She seems happy to me to be performing and touring! We will see in a year if she's still as happy.

[DionFanAlways]

 

 

Hey, I wasn't thinking on the age… No, not at all! She's young and full of energy, that's out of the question! But what concerns me is the overuse and abuse of her voice all these long and exhausting Vegas years, and that now that overuse is showing with the current condition of her voice: never before has she struggled that much with consecutive shows and with several songs on the SAME show as with the Quebec shows.

 

That has not to do with age (only), there are surely more factors underneath that we don't even know (pressure, less training, drinks, the boredom when performing that I'm sure she feels... and so on)

It’s a total package.

[Javito]

What I'd never say is that she looks physically tired. Ever. She's full of energy all the time. And that's astonishing.

[Ronny83]

Celine Dashes Competition As Radio Adds A Hat Trick Of Her Songs

[Alex_Incognito]

Bah! This album seems to be shaping up beautifully. She needs to really perform more of the songs on tour.

These songs can't become fan favorites unless she does her part my performing them as well.

[Chantemoi]

So how many chapters remain to be seen of the mourning process? Will there be a trilogy or something?

 

So far the three new songs are dramatic or negative about coping and struggling. I hope there will be also some positive, light and fun songs to listen to in the album

Like... FOMO?

[Javito]

Like... FOMO?

 

I didn't like FOMO quite much. It's like a bad dance remix of You And I, only that You And I is far better

[celinesounds]

I didn't like FOMO quite much. It's like a bad dance remix of You And I, only that You And I is far better

 

what's wrong with you Javito

 

 

FOMO is not a bad song, maybe it came too late

[Peppercorn1991]

Celine Dashes Competition As Radio Adds A Hat Trick Of Her Songs

 

Amazing news!! Makes a huge change!! Now for the rest of the world!

 

Kev x

[Xpresso]

If she adds Imperfections to her tour, she could get rid of FOMO.

[Xpresso]

Celine Dashes Competition As Radio Adds A Hat Trick Of Her Songs

Way to go Canada! All 3 songs got more downloads than the new Maroon 5 song. What IS going on?

[Nmj]

If she adds Imperfections to her tour, she could get rid of FOMO.

 

I’m baffled as to why “Imperfections” isn’t in the show to begin with, why even release the song then?

When she released an EP on the day of the tour launch we all knew it was because she wanted to give us a taste of the songs she will probably include on the Tour and then she goes and sings 2/3... why? Especially when “Imperfections” arguably has the biggest impact so far.

[DionFanAlways]

If she adds Imperfections to her tour, she could get rid of FOMO.

She essentially has....

[scielle]

Imperfections is not a stage song. It won't translate well. It's a good thing she hasn't included it in the set list.

[Xpresso]

 

 

I’m baffled as to why “Imperfections” isn’t in the show to begin with, why even release the song then?

When she released an EP on the day of the tour launch we all knew it was because she wanted to give us a taste of the songs she will probably include on the Tour and then she goes and sings 2/3... why? Especially when “Imperfections” arguably has the biggest impact so far.

I hope it's because they have some big plans for Imperfections. Fingers crossed. Like a big launch on a TV show or something...

[Xpresso]

Imperfections is not a stage song. It won't translate well. It's a good thing she hasn't included it in the set list.

They can do a remix just like they did with FOMO for the tour. Maybe they are waiting for a mix actually! Edited September 24, 2019 at 03:23 PM by Xpresso

[Nmj]

Imperfections is not a stage song. It won't translate well. It's a good thing she hasn't included it in the set list.

 

It could most definitely be a “stage” song. I know it’s not not your cup of tea, but it’s a great song with a great message, one that doesn’t include vocal acrobats, just simple, subdued and beautiful in its own right.

 

Also, of the three songs it’s DEFINITELY the most popular at least here in the USA AND Canada, probably worldwide. It’s a big mistake to not perform this on the “Courage” Tour.

[scielle]

I hope it's because they have some big plans for Imperfections. Fingers crossed. Like a big launch on a TV show or something...

 

I hope not. It's such a dull and forgettable song. Would be a waste of valuable airtime IMHO.

[Xpresso]

 

 

I hope not. It's such a dull and forgettable song. Would be a waste of valuable airtime IMHO.

It would actually show that Celine can sing (and release) a song without any belting and screaming. That would be a shocker for many! Edited September 24, 2019 at 03:28 PM by Xpresso

[Nmj]

 

 

I hope not. It's such a dull and forgettable song. Would be a waste of valuable airtime IMHO.

 

No something like “A Song For You”, is dull and boring and totally forgettable.

“Imperfections”, has a beat, has a message that probably resonates with A LOT of people, and has the radio friendliness quality that she hasn’t had in a song in awhile.

[Nmj]

It would actually show that Celine can sing (and release) a song without any belting and screaming. That would be a shocker for many!

 

“Lying Down” is fine in its own right, but it’s too much screaming.

[AdrienneM]

 

 

Hey, I wasn't thinking on the age… No, not at all! She's young and full of energy, that's out of the question! But what concerns me is the overuse and abuse of her voice all these long and exhausting Vegas years, and that now that overuse is showing with the current condition of her voice: never before has she struggled that much with consecutive shows and with several songs on the SAME show as with the Quebec shows.

 

That has not to do with age (only), there are surely more factors underneath that we don't even know (pressure, less training, drinks, the boredom when performing that I'm sure she feels... and so on)

 

There was the entire September- October leg in 2016 that was Waaaaaaaay worse than now, also the last 2 dates on the 2016 tour.

[browseceline]

 

I didn't like FOMO quite much. It's like a bad dance remix of You And I, only that You And I is far better

 

well as long as she performs it with this mediocre live arrangement without a proper dancebeat... she is killing her own fresh track! This is a song that does not need to have a live arrangement, just use the original instrumental! Is it really that bad to use a live dj for example?

 

 

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Edited September 24, 2019 at 03:55 PM by browseceline

[Ajax]

Well, Scielle you are a bit arch with Imperfection.

 

Every song has the potential to be done live. Just that some songs need a bit more work or adjustment for that. That require also a vision of what we want or what we miss to make it live. Mego was bad for that and i tend to think that Scott is maybe not the right men too.

Like for example in imperfection, at least at the begining of the song, they could concentrate on the finger snaping. The athmosphere would be nice live, they could create a very light, and chill moment.

 

Also, when you listen closer when the Piano begins, it is far from being dull. The mix between the electro/modern sound and the instrumental part is very well done and even quite rich if you ask me. The hook is absolutly lovely.

 

Sometimes it takes way more guts/dificulties to create or keep this minimalist touch, creating something chill and up lifting than going toward this one-upmanship à la Lying done.

[SantiagoColorado]

Well, Scielle you are a bit arch with Imperfection.

 

Every song has the potential to be done live. Just that some songs need a bit more work or adjustment for that. That require also a vision of what we want or what we miss to make it live. Mego was bad for that and i tend to think that Scott is maybe not the right men too.

Like for example in imperfection, at least at the begining of the song, they could concentrate on the finger snaping. The athmosphere would be nice live, they could create a very light, and chill moment.

 

Also, when you listen closer when the Piano begins, it is far from being dull. The mix between the electro/modern sound and the instrumental part is very well done and even quite rich if you ask me. The hook is absolutly lovely.

 

Sometimes it takes way more guts/dificulties to create or keep this minimalist touch, creating something chill and up lifting than going toward this one-upmanship à la Lying done.

 

They should mix the original background track or instrumental with some live instrumentals as Lady Gaga, Katy PErry and others do, so they can recreate sounds and effects they can't play live. For excample, the backing vocals. Should be better to have the originals mixed with Elise, Barnev and Down, it would sound powerful... the opposite of Ashes and LMBTL live version

Edited September 24, 2019 at 05:17 PM by SantiagoColorado

[Ajax]

They should mix the original background track or instrumental with some live instrumentals as Lady Gaga, Katy PErry and others do, so they can recreate sounds and effects they can't play live. For excample, the backing vocals. Should be better to have the originals mixed with Elise, Barnev and Down, it would sound powerful... the opposite of Ashes and LMBTL live version

 

I agree with that of course. That's a real problem, since 2002 now, she has more and more electro/multiple layers... in her production. That needs to translate live at one point, it can't be ignore and Courage will go deeper in this direction. Doesn't make sense. Scott does not have the competencies for that, I don't blame him, but I guess that's his reponsability to hire someone in charge of the mixing live, incorporating those modern elements.

 

I mean, it's not that I wish her that much to go into this direction. But at what point if that's the kind of song you choose to sing, and eventually if the modern sound is the essence of that song, it just needs to be there. Or you're doing half the job, and it ruins everything.