Davey84 Posted August 29, 2011 at 02:03 PM Posted August 29, 2011 at 02:03 PM But still it would have been better to start the show with the song, and just have it over with!! The LCMM/RDMH/MHWGO encore ending is getting old! Quote http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/daveyh84/incognito198701_zpsaaootxh1.jpgRick, ik hou van jou voor altijd!A New Day... has come 28/29 April & 2/3 May 07Antwerpen 13 et 14 mai,Paris 24 et 25 mai, Amsterdam 2 juinet Arras 7 juillet Chances Taken!!!How Do You Keep The Music Playing? - Celine Opening Night March 15th, March 16th
Timster Posted August 29, 2011 at 02:07 PM Posted August 29, 2011 at 02:07 PM But still it would have been better to start the show with the song, and just have it over with!! The LCMM/RDMH/MHWGO encore ending is getting old! I agree, that LCMM/RDMH/MHWGO ending has been used in 3 different shows now, for the past 5 years! Quote
Claudette Posted August 29, 2011 at 02:26 PM Posted August 29, 2011 at 02:26 PM (edited) I prefer Celine over AND Céline is great in the sense that it focusses more on her voice and it is all about her and not a bunch of dancers, and yes the orchestra is spectacular and it is a very classy show, but as far as the set list goes, AND was better. Céline can be GREAT if they just remove all the random covers and include more of her own songs. Hell, if that happens, I'll be on the next plane out to go see it. But as it is now, no thanks, it is just not all the money worth for me. Edited August 29, 2011 at 02:27 PM by Claudette Quote http://i993.photobucket.com/albums/af51/ClaudetteRobinson/esme.jpg
Thomas Posted August 29, 2011 at 02:30 PM Posted August 29, 2011 at 02:30 PM MHWGO is her biggest hit, and one of the biggest songs of all time. Celine might not want to sing it, but most fans (& non-fans) do!Still though, we've been hearing it for 14 years now and it's been the finale of every tour since it was written so no wonder she is getting tired of it. Celine said in the press conference after the premiere of the new show that she wanted to do something different with it or sing it first in the show and get it out of the way, but Rene said no. So while I agree this song will always be performed and there is good reason for it, I don't agree with them never letting her change it up or perform it at a different part of the show. It was a bit sad actually to hear say "I think I will close, for the rest of my life, my shows with My Heart Will Go On". Though saying that, even if she has to do it, she could surely liven it up for herself by actually singing it. The only thing worse that having to endlessly perform a song you don't like is to not even be singing it, that must be mindnumbing. Quote
Davey84 Posted August 29, 2011 at 02:39 PM Posted August 29, 2011 at 02:39 PM I agree Thomas... I think they should change MHWGO each year... different arrangement like piano only or perform it like the Soundtrack version etc etc... René should see that even granny fans are getting tired of this song after seeing it the same way for 14 years I always loved WAWW after MWHGO... it's a real shame they took that real encore out Céline is great in the sense that it focusses more on her voice and it is all about her and not a bunch of dancers, and yes the orchestra is spectacular and it is a very classy show, but as far as the set list goes, AND was better. Céline can be GREAT if they just remove all the random covers and include more of her own songs. Hell, if that happens, I'll be on the next plane out to go see it. But as it is now, no thanks, it is just not all the money worth for me. Of course I would love to hear more Celine Dion songs, BUT in this show, she really picked the covers, and they mean something to her... that is much different and more personal than AND IMO... We can only hope that a new album will mean new songs and hopefully new additions to the show... Quote http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/daveyh84/incognito198701_zpsaaootxh1.jpgRick, ik hou van jou voor altijd!A New Day... has come 28/29 April & 2/3 May 07Antwerpen 13 et 14 mai,Paris 24 et 25 mai, Amsterdam 2 juinet Arras 7 juillet Chances Taken!!!How Do You Keep The Music Playing? - Celine Opening Night March 15th, March 16th
Javito Posted August 29, 2011 at 02:39 PM Posted August 29, 2011 at 02:39 PM Still though, we've been hearing it for 14 years now and it's been the finale of every tour since it was written so no wonder she is getting tired of it. Celine said in the press conference after the premiere of the new show that she wanted to do something different with it or sing it first in the show and get it out of the way, but Rene said no. So while I agree this song will always be performed and there is good reason for it, I don't agree with them never letting her change it up or perform it at a different part of the show. It was a bit sad actually to hear say "I think I will close, for the rest of my life, my shows with My Heart Will Go On". Though saying that, even if she has to do it, she could surely liven it up for herself by actually singing it. The only thing worse that having to endlessly perform a song you don't like is to not even be singing it, that must be mindnumbing. And no wonder that's a reason for using playback with that song (if she actually uses it, I won't enter in that discussion). I'm not surprised the girl resorts to use playback in these songs (also TPOL, LCMM, RDMH etc) if she's forced to sing them per secula seculorum Quote "Hush, now... I see a light in the sky"
zuv Posted August 29, 2011 at 03:55 PM Posted August 29, 2011 at 03:55 PM You guys are little bit too dramatic. Lets not over react please, what if she said "I have to" thinking about the fans who claim for a new album for years and she wants to please us. "I have to for my fans and I want to because I love it too" makes sense Quote
enno2007 Posted August 29, 2011 at 05:40 PM Posted August 29, 2011 at 05:40 PM (edited) Hi, First of all, thanks, "kerche" for scanning and sharing the article... Like most of us, I was also a bit disappointed by the lack of more precise information, but as some mentioned in advance, it was to be expected: HELLO is a celebrity magazine that focuses on the private lives of stars, and it was hence clear from the start that the artistic work would be covered marginally at best. And regarding the big teaser "exclusive news" and the old pictures: Well, that's just a newspaper trying to sell as much copies as possible. Is this a good thing? Certainly not! Is this Celine's fault? Certainly not! But I wanted to add something to the discussion about private life vs. music: I agree that it were desirable to hear much more about the music, and I admit that Celine's 'obsession' with her family and 'normal life' can be sometimes overbearing. However, I am also aware of the fact that this whole family-focus is part of her appeal among large parts of her general audience. This side of her personnality has been underlined for years, to some extent since the beginning of her career, and it is in my opinion one of the reasons why Celine has managed to retain her status and why she is able to sell decent amounts of CDs and draw a big concert audience despite being basically excluded from radio and all the media that think of themselves as 'hip' or something similar. Here on the forum, we naturally focus on her music, we all have our favourite songs that usually aren't the big hits - but in her wider, more casual fanbase, I'm pretty sure that the loyality of her fans comes partly from her family-oriented image. Celine and her team obviously cater to this image and I sometimes wished they would hold back a bit, but I think that they know what they're doing and that it works. To give you an example: During the TCWT, Celine gave (as we all know ) about 70 shows in North America, all sold-out, in arenas of 16,000-22,000 seats. At the same time, Mariah Carey did also a tour in North Amercia, playing about 20 shows or so, in rather small theatres, often to a 80% capacity. The gap couldn't be bigger and more surprising, if we assume that both have the same superstar status, perhaps even with a certain advantage for Mariah when it comes to the USA if we simply look at number one singles and radio exposure. So, why this massive difference? I would argue that there are mainly two reasons: Firstly, Celine is a renowned live performer who has done extensive tours in the past and who delivers on stage. Therefore, people know that she's good and are willing to pay for a ticket when she's around. Secondly, I think her wide-ranging appeal plays a role too, her ability to project family values that are shared by the majority of her public, by having this image of a doting mother and wife... People relate to her, they like her. All this to say that while many of us here would prefer a different balance between talk about music and talk about family, this whole 'family thing' is part of what she is - and it has always been. And I do believe that it is true, not fake. Certainly, the team around Celine knows that this is part of her image and they cultivate the whole thing, but just look at the video for the CF award that was uploaded here recently: The way Celine is touched by the memory of a photo of Karine shows how close to her real personality this image is - despite the fact that there is certainly much more 'behind the scenes'. Just one final point: In this discussion, there was sometimes the notion that Celine is doing all she's doing only for the money. I always find it a bit far-fetched to divide the world of pop music in artists who just do it for the music and those who only care for money. Given that all singers are usually paid and given the massive wealth of Celine, I am not convinced by this simplistic differentiation. Edited August 29, 2011 at 05:43 PM by enno2007 Quote
RomualdlovesCeline Posted August 29, 2011 at 07:17 PM Posted August 29, 2011 at 07:17 PM Just one final point: In this discussion, there was sometimes the notion that Celine is doing all she's doing only for the money. I always find it a bit far-fetched to divide the world of pop music in artists who just do it for the music and those who only care for money. Given that all singers are usually paid and given the massive wealth of Celine, I am not convinced by this simplistic differentiation. First of all, you cannot mention Celine as an active artist in her proper career; it's Rene who pulls the strings for her for as how long as we know her; so Rene, Celine's spokeperson, is a business man and knows well what's the most "money generating" thing to do; that's why we have another show in LV because it's rentable. The CD we have been waiting for has been pushed from year to another because let's face it the music industry isn't doing well, record sales are dropping and her latest CD TC didn't do well even compared to a boring CD that is full of repeats such as One Heart. So I suggest you don't put Celine as the main cause of not doing a CD; it's Rene's fault because he is the one who calls the writers, he's the one who rents the recording studio and everything else so that Celine only put the final touch on the project which is basically SING! In addition, given that Rene is a business man, he damn well cares about money even if he has his pocket full of them Quote
enno2007 Posted August 29, 2011 at 07:39 PM Posted August 29, 2011 at 07:39 PM First of all, you cannot mention Celine as an active artist in her proper career; it's Rene who pulls the strings for her for as how long as we know her; so Rene, Celine's spokeperson, is a business man and knows well what's the most "money generating" thing to do; that's why we have another show in LV because it's rentable. The CD we have been waiting for has been pushed from year to another because let's face it the music industry isn't doing well, record sales are dropping and her latest CD TC didn't do well even compared to a boring CD that is full of repeats such as One Heart. So I suggest you don't put Celine as the main cause of not doing a CD; it's Rene's fault because he is the one who calls the writers, he's the one who rents the recording studio and everything else so that Celine only put the final touch on the project which is basically SING! In addition, given that Rene is a business man, he damn well cares about money even if he has his pocket full of them This is certainly true and I don't see the contradiction to what I have written : I just tried to say that the picture is more in shades of grey instead of black and white, given that other artists have also managers and given that there are often different motivations and reasons for making a CD. Quote
dmeredith Posted August 29, 2011 at 10:11 PM Posted August 29, 2011 at 10:11 PM Hi, First of all, thanks, "kerche" for scanning and sharing the article... Like most of us, I was also a bit disappointed by the lack of more precise information, but as some mentioned in advance, it was to be expected: HELLO is a celebrity magazine that focuses on the private lives of stars, and it was hence clear from the start that the artistic work would be covered marginally at best. And regarding the big teaser "exclusive news" and the old pictures: Well, that's just a newspaper trying to sell as much copies as possible. Is this a good thing? Certainly not! Is this Celine's fault? Certainly not! But I wanted to add something to the discussion about private life vs. music: I agree that it were desirable to hear much more about the music, and I admit that Celine's 'obsession' with her family and 'normal life' can be sometimes overbearing. However, I am also aware of the fact that this whole family-focus is part of her appeal among large parts of her general audience. This side of her personnality has been underlined for years, to some extent since the beginning of her career, and it is in my opinion one of the reasons why Celine has managed to retain her status and why she is able to sell decent amounts of CDs and draw a big concert audience despite being basically excluded from radio and all the media that think of themselves as 'hip' or something similar. Here on the forum, we naturally focus on her music, we all have our favourite songs that usually aren't the big hits - but in her wider, more casual fanbase, I'm pretty sure that the loyality of her fans comes partly from her family-oriented image. Celine and her team obviously cater to this image and I sometimes wished they would hold back a bit, but I think that they know what they're doing and that it works. To give you an example: During the TCWT, Celine gave (as we all know ) about 70 shows in North America, all sold-out, in arenas of 16,000-22,000 seats. At the same time, Mariah Carey did also a tour in North Amercia, playing about 20 shows or so, in rather small theatres, often to a 80% capacity. The gap couldn't be bigger and more surprising, if we assume that both have the same superstar status, perhaps even with a certain advantage for Mariah when it comes to the USA if we simply look at number one singles and radio exposure. So, why this massive difference? I would argue that there are mainly two reasons: Firstly, Celine is a renowned live performer who has done extensive tours in the past and who delivers on stage. Therefore, people know that she's good and are willing to pay for a ticket when she's around. Secondly, I think her wide-ranging appeal plays a role too, her ability to project family values that are shared by the majority of her public, by having this image of a doting mother and wife... People relate to her, they like her. All this to say that while many of us here would prefer a different balance between talk about music and talk about family, this whole 'family thing' is part of what she is - and it has always been. And I do believe that it is true, not fake. Certainly, the team around Celine knows that this is part of her image and they cultivate the whole thing, but just look at the video for the CF award that was uploaded here recently: The way Celine is touched by the memory of a photo of Karine shows how close to her real personality this image is - despite the fact that there is certainly much more 'behind the scenes'. Just one final point: In this discussion, there was sometimes the notion that Celine is doing all she's doing only for the money. I always find it a bit far-fetched to divide the world of pop music in artists who just do it for the music and those who only care for money. Given that all singers are usually paid and given the massive wealth of Celine, I am not convinced by this simplistic differentiation. Well said enno2007!!!! I agree with you! One of the most endearing things about Celine is the love she has for her family! I can totally relate to that! I don't feel that "connection" with most other artists like I do with Celine, and that's why I admire her as much as I do. Before she had children she had plenty of time to devote to her career. Now that she has 3 children, she owes them her time, love and devotion. They should have first priority. That is an obligation that one carries when they decide to have children. So, I respect and understand why Celine probably doesn't devote as much time to her singer career as she did before the children were born. It's no different than anybody else who is in the working world with children. Before our children are born, we all have more time and energy for our careers. It's called life, and it's to be expected of a good and decent mother. Celine is the "best" for many reason in my opinion! Quote
dmeredith Posted August 29, 2011 at 10:21 PM Posted August 29, 2011 at 10:21 PM I can't help but feel that some people on this forum have forgotten that Celine is actually a human being. The fact that five months after having given birth to twins at the age of 42, she returned to Las Vegas with probably the best show she has ever done is impressive enough for me. Having been to see the show in June I was taken aback by how happy, content and fulfilled she seemed. She was clearly really enjoying herself too. It was fantastic to see. After all as good as it is to be a Celine fan, she doesn't actually exist solely for our entertainment. She actually has a life too and is only physically capable of so much! We will get two new albums soon, but when she is ready. And that's fair enough she is a person not a machine! Well said also RosieBarron!!!! Celine is a human being, and she has a right to enjoy her life with her children. After all, RC is still young, and the twins are just 10 months old. Time goes by too fast. Celine needs to have time with her family. What she accomplishes as a mother is more important than what she accomplishes as a singer for people that she doesn't even know. Her career is important, but she even said herself (on Oprah) that she doesn't want her children to be proud of her because she's the person who sang "My Heart Will Go On", but that they're proud that she's their mother!! I totally agree with that statement. When our time on this earth is gone, the person that we've been is more important than just what we did as a career. Of course, our example while we're having our career is important also. We just have to set priorities. Celine is doing an awesome job of trying to manage both worlds. I still am impressed with all that she does!! Quote
artistman2007 Posted August 30, 2011 at 12:01 AM Posted August 30, 2011 at 12:01 AM No enough proudness with what she did a real artist doesn't lean on something he or she did 20 or 10 years ago she has to developed change invent or quit Quote
dmeredith Posted August 30, 2011 at 01:54 AM Posted August 30, 2011 at 01:54 AM No enough proudness with what she did a real artist doesn't lean on something he or she did 20 or 10 years ago she has to developed change invent or quit I'm not sure I completely understand what you're saying. (Qu'est-ce que vous essayez de dire? Je ne vous comprends pas très bien.) Are you saying that Celine should quit singing? (Dites-vous que Celine ne doit plus chanter si elle ne chante pas bien qu'il y dix ans?)Are you saying that Celine should no longer sing if she doesn't sing well as 10 years ago? (Elle a un nouveau "show à Las Vegas".) She has a new show in Las Vegas. So, she's still "inventing". Yes, she does sing some of the old songs, but she also sings some new songs. (Oui, elle chante encore des vieilles chansons , mais elle chante quelques nouvelles chansons aussi.) (For example) Pour example; "Ne me quitte pas", "How do you keep the music playing" etc. Je vois que vous êtes de France. C'est la raison que je suis en train d'écrire en français (un peu). Quote
Javito Posted August 30, 2011 at 07:43 AM Posted August 30, 2011 at 07:43 AM Well said enno2007!!!! I agree with you! One of the most endearing things about Celine is the love she has for her family! I can totally relate to that! I don't feel that "connection" with most other artists like I do with Celine, and that's why I admire her as much as I do. Before she had children she had plenty of time to devote to her career. Now that she has 3 children, she owes them her time, love and devotion. They should have first priority. That is an obligation that one carries when they decide to have children. So, I respect and understand why Celine probably doesn't devote as much time to her singer career as she did before the children were born. It's no different than anybody else who is in the working world with children. Before our children are born, we all have more time and energy for our careers. It's called life, and it's to be expected of a good and decent mother. Celine is the "best" for many reason in my opinion! Well said also RosieBarron!!!! Celine is a human being, and she has a right to enjoy her life with her children. After all, RC is still young, and the twins are just 10 months old. Time goes by too fast. Celine needs to have time with her family. What she accomplishes as a mother is more important than what she accomplishes as a singer for people that she doesn't even know. Her career is important, but she even said herself (on Oprah) that she doesn't want her children to be proud of her because she's the person who sang "My Heart Will Go On", but that they're proud that she's their mother!! I totally agree with that statement. When our time on this earth is gone, the person that we've been is more important than just what we did as a career. Of course, our example while we're having our career is important also. We just have to set priorities. Celine is doing an awesome job of trying to manage both worlds. I still am impressed with all that she does!! It's OK to love your family and to say that you have a very close family with the greatest husband, mother and children. It's just that you don't have to remind it in every and each interview you do during a whole decade We got the message, we know that. Let's move on and talk about your music for a while... Quote "Hush, now... I see a light in the sky"
enno2007 Posted August 30, 2011 at 09:41 AM Posted August 30, 2011 at 09:41 AM (edited) It's OK to love your family and to say that you have a very close family with the greatest husband, mother and children. It's just that you don't have to remind it in every and each interview you do during a whole decade We got the message, we know that. Let's move on and talk about your music for a while... A statement that may be understandable, but that completely ignores what I was trying to argue in my previous post... I mean, you are of course entitled to think and write whatever you mean, and to ignore and read whatever you like - but there is obviously no point in trying to have a proper discussion with you Anyhow, what a waste of my time to try otherwise. I'm out... Edited August 30, 2011 at 09:42 AM by enno2007 Quote
Javito Posted August 30, 2011 at 10:11 AM Posted August 30, 2011 at 10:11 AM A statement that may be understandable, but that completely ignores what I was trying to argue in my previous post... I mean, you are of course entitled to think and write whatever you mean, and to ignore and read whatever you like - but there is obviously no point in trying to have a proper discussion with you Anyhow, what a waste of my time to try otherwise. I'm out... Did I even quote a comment from you? What's wrong with you pal? Quote "Hush, now... I see a light in the sky"
kerche Posted August 30, 2011 at 10:51 AM Posted August 30, 2011 at 10:51 AM Hi, First of all, thanks, "kerche" for scanning and sharing the article... Like most of us, I was also a bit disappointed by the lack of more precise information, but as some mentioned in advance, it was to be expected: HELLO is a celebrity magazine that focuses on the private lives of stars, and it was hence clear from the start that the artistic work would be covered marginally at best. And regarding the big teaser "exclusive news" and the old pictures: Well, that's just a newspaper trying to sell as much copies as possible. Is this a good thing? Certainly not! Is this Celine's fault? Certainly not! But I wanted to add something to the discussion about private life vs. music: I agree that it were desirable to hear much more about the music, and I admit that Celine's 'obsession' with her family and 'normal life' can be sometimes overbearing. However, I am also aware of the fact that this whole family-focus is part of her appeal among large parts of her general audience. This side of her personnality has been underlined for years, to some extent since the beginning of her career, and it is in my opinion one of the reasons why Celine has managed to retain her status and why she is able to sell decent amounts of CDs and draw a big concert audience despite being basically excluded from radio and all the media that think of themselves as 'hip' or something similar. Here on the forum, we naturally focus on her music, we all have our favourite songs that usually aren't the big hits - but in her wider, more casual fanbase, I'm pretty sure that the loyality of her fans comes partly from her family-oriented image. Celine and her team obviously cater to this image and I sometimes wished they would hold back a bit, but I think that they know what they're doing and that it works. To give you an example: During the TCWT, Celine gave (as we all know ) about 70 shows in North America, all sold-out, in arenas of 16,000-22,000 seats. At the same time, Mariah Carey did also a tour in North Amercia, playing about 20 shows or so, in rather small theatres, often to a 80% capacity. The gap couldn't be bigger and more surprising, if we assume that both have the same superstar status, perhaps even with a certain advantage for Mariah when it comes to the USA if we simply look at number one singles and radio exposure. So, why this massive difference? I would argue that there are mainly two reasons: Firstly, Celine is a renowned live performer who has done extensive tours in the past and who delivers on stage. Therefore, people know that she's good and are willing to pay for a ticket when she's around. Secondly, I think her wide-ranging appeal plays a role too, her ability to project family values that are shared by the majority of her public, by having this image of a doting mother and wife... People relate to her, they like her. All this to say that while many of us here would prefer a different balance between talk about music and talk about family, this whole 'family thing' is part of what she is - and it has always been. And I do believe that it is true, not fake. Certainly, the team around Celine knows that this is part of her image and they cultivate the whole thing, but just look at the video for the CF award that was uploaded here recently: The way Celine is touched by the memory of a photo of Karine shows how close to her real personality this image is - despite the fact that there is certainly much more 'behind the scenes'. Just one final point: In this discussion, there was sometimes the notion that Celine is doing all she's doing only for the money. I always find it a bit far-fetched to divide the world of pop music in artists who just do it for the music and those who only care for money. Given that all singers are usually paid and given the massive wealth of Celine, I am not convinced by this simplistic differentiation. Thanks Enno! and thanks for taking the time to write out this well-said message Quote - Kerry -
enno2007 Posted August 30, 2011 at 02:24 PM Posted August 30, 2011 at 02:24 PM Did I even quote a comment from you? What's wrong with you pal? Nothing is wrong with me (at least I hope ), except perhaps that I was (wrongly) assuming that the forum were a place for discussions, for looking at questions from different points of view, debating with each other... What I was trying to say in my admittedly lengthy post was simply that this whole family-thing has its benefits and reasons (I won't repeat this here in detail). You can of course utterly disagree with what I have written down in this previous message, but to have a real discussion, it would be useful to know what you think about these points. Instead of having this debate, you simply repeated what you have said the whole time - which means that we are going in circles. My message was no personal attack, I was just hoping that we could take this whole discussion a step further and I was a bit frustrated by the fact that you, Javito, one of the most vocal and engaged members of this group, seem to be more interested in repeatedly expressing your frustration with Celine than in discussing this properly. Anyhow, my mistake, won't happen again Quote
enno2007 Posted August 30, 2011 at 02:32 PM Posted August 30, 2011 at 02:32 PM Thanks Enno! and thanks for taking the time to write out this well-said message Thanks Quote
RomualdlovesCeline Posted August 30, 2011 at 02:46 PM Posted August 30, 2011 at 02:46 PM This is certainly true and I don't see the contradiction to what I have written : I just tried to say that the picture is more in shades of grey instead of black and white, given that other artists have also managers and given that there are often different motivations and reasons for making a CD. What I wanted to say in my previous post is that Celine is doing it for the money because it's Rene who is responsible for most of her career and he's in it for the money as much as Celine is. Quote
Davey84 Posted August 30, 2011 at 02:50 PM Posted August 30, 2011 at 02:50 PM I think René cares more about the money than Céline herself... But taking about money... Do you realise Céline generates not only for herself but also for hunderds of people?! People complain about the price of the tickets, but do you realise Céline only gets a share? Her musicians, technicians, people backstage etc... they also get paid by this money! Quote http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/daveyh84/incognito198701_zpsaaootxh1.jpgRick, ik hou van jou voor altijd!A New Day... has come 28/29 April & 2/3 May 07Antwerpen 13 et 14 mai,Paris 24 et 25 mai, Amsterdam 2 juinet Arras 7 juillet Chances Taken!!!How Do You Keep The Music Playing? - Celine Opening Night March 15th, March 16th
Javito Posted August 30, 2011 at 06:18 PM Posted August 30, 2011 at 06:18 PM (edited) Nothing is wrong with me (at least I hope ), except perhaps that I was (wrongly) assuming that the forum were a place for discussions, for looking at questions from different points of view, debating with each other... What I was trying to say in my admittedly lengthy post was simply that this whole family-thing has its benefits and reasons (I won't repeat this here in detail). You can of course utterly disagree with what I have written down in this previous message, but to have a real discussion, it would be useful to know what you think about these points. Instead of having this debate, you simply repeated what you have said the whole time - which means that we are going in circles. My message was no personal attack, I was just hoping that we could take this whole discussion a step further and I was a bit frustrated by the fact that you, Javito, one of the most vocal and engaged members of this group, seem to be more interested in repeatedly expressing your frustration with Celine than in discussing this properly. Anyhow, my mistake, won't happen again But what's the purpose of that? I'm sorry but I'm not here to speak about Céline's mother, René Charles or the new twins. Do I even have to apologize for that? Do I have to beg your pardon if I just want to talk about her music? I'm not here to talk about what she does in her private life sorry. Why I should care about that? It's not my business (sorry if it sounds rude, but its true). We got what she says about her family. We know it by heart thanks to every interview she gives saying the same 100 times. However, we know very little about her music, and what she has to say about it. Each day we know less and less, and correct me if I'm wrong, but all the people reunited here its because of her music and her songs, at least in the very first beggining. Yes, we can admire her persona, and I too love the woman she is behind the singer. But it's the singer what I am expecting to see her like, not the mother, the wife or the sister. She's not my mother, my sister or my daughter, she's my favourite SINGER, if you get what I mean. So I don't know yet where would you like to get with the "family aspect" discussion I know I maybe repeat myself many times, but you see, I can repeat myself as many times as Céline does then! Edited August 30, 2011 at 06:21 PM by Javito Quote "Hush, now... I see a light in the sky"
Claudette Posted August 30, 2011 at 06:51 PM Posted August 30, 2011 at 06:51 PM (edited) Javito, I totally agree with you. There is nothing wrong with Céline talking about her family, but enough is enough. There should be some kind of balance at least. At the moment it is about 99% family and 1% music. enno2007, I refuse to believe for one moment that people buy Céline's music because of her persona. There are a lot of people that could not give a damn what singers do in their private life. In fact, a lot of people think she is a bit too open sometimes. So what you are basically saying is that even if Céline sang the most horrible songs and could not stay in tune to safe her life, people still would have bought her music because she has a very family orientated life and people like that. I think not, people fell in love with Céline because she is a very tiny girl with a big voice. The fact that she is very family orientated and knows where her roots are is just a bonus. Céline sells out because like you said, people know she delivers, not because of her personal life. Do youself a favour and ask any casual fan something personal about Celine and I'm willing to make a bet that he/she would not know the answer. This is not the mother and housewife forum, but the Céline Dion forum, Céline the singer that is, so I'm pretty sure the people that come here wants to read about her music. Edited August 30, 2011 at 07:01 PM by Claudette Quote http://i993.photobucket.com/albums/af51/ClaudetteRobinson/esme.jpg
Celine Fan 77 Posted August 30, 2011 at 07:00 PM Posted August 30, 2011 at 07:00 PM I think she'll talk about her music during her next promo tour and not now. But it's also true that she could do things like talking about each song from the show in a video-message or something like that, don't you think so guys? Quote Tournée Européenne in Paris (December 1, 2013)Céline Dion Live 2016 in Antwerp (June 20, 2016)Céline Dion Live 2017 in Birmingham (July 27, 2017)
Shaun Posted August 30, 2011 at 07:01 PM Posted August 30, 2011 at 07:01 PM This is not the mother and housewife forum, but the Céline Dion forum, Céline the singer that is, so I'm pretty sure the people that come here wants to read about her music mostly. Bingo! Quote Bringing you the world's only Celine Dion podcast show since 2014.Find us on Soundcloud, Apple Podcasts, Spotify & Amazon Music.
Javito Posted August 30, 2011 at 07:17 PM Posted August 30, 2011 at 07:17 PM (edited) Javito, I totally agree with you. There is nothing wrong with Céline talking about her family, but enough is enough. There should be some kind of balance at least. At the moment it is about 99% family and 1% music. enno2007, I refuse to believe for one moment that people buy Céline's music because of her persona. There are a lot of people that could not give a damn what singers do in their private life. In fact, a lot of people think she is a bit too open sometimes. So what you are basically saying is that even if Céline sang the most horrible songs and could not stay in tune to safe her life, people still would have bought her music because she has a very family orientated life and people like that. I think not, people fell in love with Céline because she is a very tiny girl with a big voice. The fact that she is very family orientated and knows where her roots are is just a bonus. Céline sells out because like you said, people know she delivers, not because of her personal life. Do youself a favour and ask any casual fan something personal about Celine and I'm willing to make a bet that he/she would not know the answer. This is not the mother and housewife forum, but the Céline Dion forum, Céline the singer that is, so I'm pretty sure the people that come here wants to read about her music. +10 Claudette, can't agree more again. There's nothing wrong with the family thing, except that she's been inundating us with that topic for the last 10 years, and she does not practically talk about what she does in the music side. I thought that with the promotion of the "Miracle" album, that plot of her life was covered. But the information about what she does with her family has been getting just bigger and bigger That is OK, as long as she would talk the same time about the new music she delivers. But its not been like that since many years. For the next album, I hope we get another DVD with the recording studio sessions, like with TC. I'm afraid that's the only time we'll see her talking about the songs and the music I think she'll talk about her music during her next promo tour and not now. But it's also true that she could do things like talking about each song from the show in a video-message or something like that, don't you think so guys? Audio commentary bonus for each song, for example? My God, even David Guetta's new album has that bonus feature in a special edition for Spotify (and its a dance/electronica album! ) Edited August 30, 2011 at 07:20 PM by Javito Quote "Hush, now... I see a light in the sky"
Celine Fan 77 Posted August 30, 2011 at 09:39 PM Posted August 30, 2011 at 09:39 PM Wouldn't be a bad idea Quote Tournée Européenne in Paris (December 1, 2013)Céline Dion Live 2016 in Antwerp (June 20, 2016)Céline Dion Live 2017 in Birmingham (July 27, 2017)
RomualdlovesCeline Posted August 30, 2011 at 11:03 PM Posted August 30, 2011 at 11:03 PM Yes like the already mentionned above I would love to have studio recording session of the new album; in the TC era, we had a recording session but the output failed to amaze, now we're banking on this album to re-claim Celine's title as one of the best voices of her generation with new good songs; I may be dreaming but who knows it may become true Quote
dmeredith Posted August 31, 2011 at 02:06 AM Posted August 31, 2011 at 02:06 AM Javito, I totally agree with you. There is nothing wrong with Céline talking about her family, but enough is enough. There should be some kind of balance at least. At the moment it is about 99% family and 1% music. enno2007, I refuse to believe for one moment that people buy Céline's music because of her persona. There are a lot of people that could not give a damn what singers do in their private life. In fact, a lot of people think she is a bit too open sometimes. So what you are basically saying is that even if Céline sang the most horrible songs and could not stay in tune to safe her life, people still would have bought her music because she has a very family orientated life and people like that. I think not, people fell in love with Céline because she is a very tiny girl with a big voice. The fact that she is very family orientated and knows where her roots are is just a bonus. Céline sells out because like you said, people know she delivers, not because of her personal life. Do youself a favour and ask any casual fan something personal about Celine and I'm willing to make a bet that he/she would not know the answer. This is not the mother and housewife forum, but the Céline Dion forum, Céline the singer that is, so I'm pretty sure the people that come here wants to read about her music. Celine is "the singer" and "the mother" all combined into one person. You can't separate them. I was first drawn to Celine because of her voice. What drove me to make her my number one singer, and to strive to make sure that I bought every CD, went to her TC World Tour and to Vegas this past June for two shows is THE FACT that she is the person she is. Everything combined. That's also why I am going back this December. It cost a lot of money to plan these trips with the economy the way it is, but I do it gladly because of who the "well rounded" Celine is. Everyone has their right to like and admire Celine the way they do, but don't deny the fact that those negative opinions that some have are positive opinions to someone else. Celine is who she is, and she has the right to talk about her family as much as she wants. She can't please everyone. There is always going to be someone who will criticize someone else no matter how much their actions or words are coming from the heart. Everyone please, try to be more understanding and less critical. I come to this forum to hear about every aspect of Celine. One person will say that she's too open, and another person will find that endearing. What's sad is that people criticize before they know the person's heart, and that's a shame. Celine is who she is and she's staying true to herself as we all should. When other people ask me why I like her so much and talk about her so much I tell them that her talent is HUGE but it's the genuine Celine that "seals the deal" for me!!! Quote
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