Taking Chances World Tour CD/DVD Release Thread

[jpatdeleon09]

So, listening to RDMH. I think Adrienne is right

 

Her vocals in fancam to dvd are the same but on the dvd they over edited it by putting more autotune and tweaking the eq a little to match the new dubbed vocals. So, the only dubbed ones are the lipped parts

 

But her performances in aug 15-16 2008 in Montreal were much better. There are a lot of dates where she sounded amazing. Aug 12-13 and Aug 31-Sept 1 are not her best. Her May shows are also the best. Remember her super high notes in IAMW?

 

Edited May 21, 2020 at 03:02 PM by jpatdeleon09

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

I mean it’s extremely obvious to me that songs like It’s A Mans World, Alone, River Deep, All By Myself, Shadow Of Love and Love Can Move Mountains are un-dubbed and just have huge amounts of awful auto tune on them

 

Yup! You are right!

 

So, this only means that mostly every performances we see on her DVD are recorded live and not dubbed. And yet these fans chose to compare her performances to mariah’s dubbed performances. lol

 

So, they started dubbing in 2010 yet it’s awful.

 

ANDLILV - same vocals, same pre recorded tracks used.

Edited May 21, 2020 at 02:49 PM by jpatdeleon09

[Tyler1991]

The only thing dubbed is the lipped tracks.

 

At the time this was obvious because people posted versions where the audience noise was clearly absent in the dubbings but the live vocals it was there. The 1 second live "yeah" in i drove all night at the end has the single most obvious difference.

 

Eyes on me, IDAN, abm high note, all of mhwgo, iacbtmn, tpol minus 1st verse, tlym, the last chorus of both TC and alone.

 

Those are the dubbed parts.

 

If TJTWIM had made it to the dvd it would be dubbed too since was lipped for its very short run... and adrienne, i know we've discussed (i think it was you lol) when has celine recorded a lip track just to waste it by barely using...TJTWIM is an example that proves DOL 2011 could've been track afterall?

Edited May 21, 2020 at 03:30 PM by Tyler1991

[jpatdeleon09]

The only thing dubbed is the lipped tracks.

 

At the time this was obvious because people posted versions where the audience noise was clearly absent in the dubbings but the live vocals it was there. The 1 second live "yeah" in i drove all night at the end has the single most obvious difference.

 

Eyes on me, IDAN, abm high note, all of mhwgo, iacbtmn, tpol minus 1st verse, tlym, the last chorus of both TC and alone.

 

Those are the dubbed parts.

 

If TJTWIM had made it to the dvd it would be dubbed too since was lipped for its very short run... and adrienne, i know we've discussed when has celine recorded a lip track just to waste it by barely using...TJTWIM is an example that proves DOL 2011 could've been track afterall?

 

DOL made it to the final setlist of Céline Show in 2011?

[Tyler1991]

 

 

DOL made it to the final setlist of Céline Show in 2011?

 

Nope. Not with celine anyway.

 

It was rehearsed maybe 2 or 3 times and we have one audio performance.

 

 

I really like this key better than the 1996 one. I still lean towards this being lipped especially listening to it transition to lcmm vocal. People don't recognize it, but this song overall is one of her hardest. Even the verses are high!!

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

Nope. Not with celine anyway.

 

It was rehearsed maybe 2 or 3 times and we have one audio performance.

 

 

I really like this key better than the 1996 one. I still lean towards this being lipped especially listening to it transition to lcmm vocal. People don't recognize it, but this song overall is one of her hardest. Even the verses are high!!

 

Ahh i remember this one.

 

In some parts, it does sounds live. Mostly you’ll know when it’s a pre recorded when the volume of her voice is so consistent and the tone.

 

In 1:50, the volume of her voice is not consistent it goes louder when she sang “.. true WORLD..” and many more parts. And her transition to LCMM is smooth. Same tone

 

Usually, as i have said before. You’ll obviously know right away if she started lipping to the pre recorded track through Fancams/bootlegs. I don’t know how but that’s what i’ve noticed.

 

Example

 

 

But if you were there in person it would sound fully live

 

Honestly, her vocals on that era (2011) were in top shape

Edited May 21, 2020 at 03:47 PM by jpatdeleon09

[No1IrishFan]

The English TCWT show (Boston) show has been added to Apple Music. Has it been there long? Don’t recall seeing it before

[Tyler1991]

 

 

Ahh i remember this one.

 

In some parts, it does sounds live. Mostly you’ll know when it’s a pre recorded when the volume of her voice is so consistent and the tone.

 

In 1:50, the volume of her voice is not consistent it goes louder when she sang “.. true WORLD..” and many more parts. And her transition to LCMM is smooth. Same tone

 

Honestly, her vocals on that era were in top shape

 

Maybe so but its an uptempo medley...if it were live she wouldn't have waited until lcmm when her mic volume is fully up to start talking to the audience.

 

I could also see the last line of dol having been live for the sake of transition. But who knows? But overall this performance has too much of that polished feel that the playbacks have. The bridge ad libs especially.

Edited May 21, 2020 at 03:47 PM by Tyler1991

[Tyler1991]

 

 

Ahh i remember this one.

 

In some parts, it does sounds live. Mostly you’ll know when it’s a pre recorded when the volume of her voice is so consistent and the tone.

 

In 1:50, the volume of her voice is not consistent it goes louder when she sang “.. true WORLD..” and many more parts. And her transition to LCMM is smooth. Same tone

 

Usually, as i have said before. You’ll obviously know right away if she started lipping to the pre recorded track through Fancams/bootlegs. I don’t know how but that’s what i’ve noticed.

 

Honestly, her vocals on that era were in top shape

 

There are plenty of examples where things have not been noticed right away. Most people still don't know about et je t'aime encore from Vegas or DMQS from olympia being lipped.

 

Only last week did i notice the opening phrase and only that phrase of THLAL was live. Essentially the same with only one road, i hadn't realized the ending line was live, just assumed the full song was lipped.

 

I've seen a lot of questioning on that IDAN performance from 2018, and even skepticism on abm 2015. Dol 2011 is just another iffy one if you ask me.

 

Many times things are obvious but not always!!

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

Maybe so but its an uptempo medley...if it were live she wouldn't have waited until lcmm when her mic volume is fully up to start talking to the audience.

 

I could also see the last line of dol having been live for the sake of transition. But who knows? But overall this performance has too much of that polished feel that the playbacks have. The bridge ad libs especially.

 

We don’t know But who knows?

 

Here so you’ll know if she’s starting using the pre recorded track since the fancams can detect that. I still don’t know how but in live you wouldn’t noticed it. There’s science happening here lol

 

Goldfinger (her tone and volume are so consistent) then, the next song (everything changes)

 

 

BTW, I don’t know if you guys noticed this but her vocals are so loud and the pre recorded tracks too during this era

Edited May 21, 2020 at 03:59 PM by jpatdeleon09

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

There are plenty of examples where things have not been noticed right away. Most people still don't know about et je t'aime encore from Vegas or DMQS from olympia being lipped.

 

Only last week did i notice the opening phrase and only that phrase of THLAL was live. Essentially the same with only one road, i hadn't realized the ending line was live, just assumed the full song was lipped.

 

I've seen a lot of questioning on that IDAN performance from 2018, and even skepticism on abm 2015. Dol 2011 is just another iffy one if you ask me.

 

Many times things are obvious but not always!!

 

Et Je T’aime Encore is obvious through Céline’s movements and Facial Exp<b></b>ressions hahaha

 

DMQS - I don’t pay attention on that song too much. And it’s on CD not on fancams so it’s hard.

 

THLAL - known to be lipped except for the first “TREEAT her like a lady” then boom

 

IDAN - they even used the A New Day version. Then, they made a new one for the next shows

 

A new day version lol

 

 

Her 2017 IDAN were even live

Edited May 21, 2020 at 04:27 PM by jpatdeleon09

[Céline RO]

The only thing dubbed is the lipped tracks.

 

At the time this was obvious because people posted versions where the audience noise was clearly absent in the dubbings but the live vocals it was there. The 1 second live "yeah" in i drove all night at the end has the single most obvious difference.

 

Eyes on me, IDAN, abm high note, all of mhwgo, iacbtmn, tpol minus 1st verse, tlym, the last chorus of both TC and alone.

 

Those are the dubbed parts.

 

If TJTWIM had made it to the dvd it would be dubbed too since was lipped for its very short run... and adrienne, i know we've discussed (i think it was you lol) when has celine recorded a lip track just to waste it by barely using...TJTWIM is an example that proves DOL 2011 could've been track afterall?

 

I’m not sure that TJTWIM would’ve been dubbed. I think the main reason why they chose to dub certain songs isn’t the lipsync itself but rather the fact that on the TCWT they used mainly the same tracks as in AND and they had already used those lipped tracks on the AND DVD, meaning it would be very obvious to people who own both DVDs.

 

I also think the only reason why they dubbed the ABM big note is because they used the actual lipsync track on TTEOTW as footage from the Phoenix show and it would’ve been obvious if they had used it on the tour DVD, saying it’s from Boston show.

[Céline RO]

Et Je T'aime Encore is obvious through Céline's movements and Facial Expressions hahaha

 

DMQS - I don't pay attention on that song too much. And it's on CD not on fancams so it's hard.

 

THLAL - known to be lipped except for the first "TREEAT her like a lady" then boom

 

IDAN - they even used the A New Day version for a night. Then, the next was live then, the next shows were lipped.

 

A new day version lol

 

https://youtu.be/meAMB8ZyvxM

 

Her 2017 IDAN were even live

 

Wasn’t IDAN lipped to the AND track in all shows from 22 May to 6 June 2018?

And then lipped to a new, wasted track on 8 June.

[Céline RO]

Was the whole of MHWGO lipped during AND? It looks lipped on the DVD. Does that mean that it was fully lipped on the TCWT as well?

[jpatdeleon09]

 

 

Wasn’t IDAN lipped to the AND track in all shows from 22 May to 6 June 2018?

And then lipped to a new, wasted track on 8 June.

 

Yes! Not only for a night. They changed it maybe because it’s noticeable lol

Edited May 21, 2020 at 04:28 PM by jpatdeleon09

[Tyler1991]

 

 

I’m not sure that TJTWIM would’ve been dubbed. I think the main reason why they chose to dub certain songs isn’t the lipsync itself but rather the fact that on the TCWT they used mainly the same tracks as in AND and they had already used those lipped tracks on the AND DVD, meaning it would be very obvious to people who own both DVDs.

 

I also think the only reason why they dubbed the ABM big note is because they used the actual lipsync track on TTEOTW as footage from the Phoenix show and it would’ve been obvious if they had used it on the tour DVD, saying it’s from Boston show.

 

I understand what you're saying but it has actually already been proven wrong. She dubbed alone and taking chances as well as eyes on me...so TJTWIM would have been as well. Literally any playback was dubbed. The live vocals left alone.

 

As for mhwgo, the humming at the end was live that's it. I do believe there were times maybe in AND the humming wasn't live but i honestly do not know on that. 2003-2014 the only live mhwgo was the 2004 one nite with lite, 2007 oprah and dancing with the stars, 2009 star academie and 2007 some french duet show, and 2013 after one of the early french shows.

Edited May 21, 2020 at 04:48 PM by Tyler1991

[Céline RO]

I understand what you're saying but it has actually already been proven wrong. She dubbed alone and taking chances as well as eyes on me...so TJTWIM would have been as well. Literally any playback was dubbed. The live vocals left alone.

 

As for mhwgo, the humming at the end was live that's it. I do believe there were times maybe in AND the humming wasn't live but i honestly do not know on that.

 

Maybe “Alone” and “Eyes on Me” were dubbed because they were already on another DVD (CTTEOTW). That would make sense for TC as well though I had not realized that it was dubbed.

 

About MHWGO, I find it a bit strange that she no longer lips the verses and choruses. I find it even more strange that no one seems to mention it. Everyone says “she used to lip The Reason, now it’s live” but no one ever mentions MHWGO.

[AdrienneM]

 

 

Nope. Not with celine anyway.

 

It was rehearsed maybe 2 or 3 times and we have one audio performance.

 

 

I really like this key better than the 1996 one. I still lean towards this being lipped especially listening to it transition to lcmm vocal. People don't recognize it, but this song overall is one of her hardest. Even the verses are high!!

 

I agree! I waaaaaay prefer this lower key and her 2011 tone for me is just to die for, truly one of my favourite vocal eras of hers, even with the insane amount of lipping.

 

As for other points you made in the thread, agreed TJTWIM was a wasted track and I wish it had made it to Europe and NA, even if it was lipped, it was a good song. Plus we have the amazing soundcheck audio with the extra high note. I’m still firm in my belief that the Fade Away performance from South Africa is lipped to, another wasted track as I recall it disappeared from the show for a while and then returned and it sounded extremely different, her expressions and movements are extremely suspect and the audio and vocals are just way too polished and clean or me, but let’s face it, we’ll never know.

Edited May 21, 2020 at 05:10 PM by AdrienneM

[Tyler1991]

 

 

Maybe “Alone” and “Eyes on Me” were dubbed because they were already on another DVD (CTTEOTW). That would make sense for TC as well though I had not realized that it was dubbed.

 

About MHWGO, I find it a bit strange that she no longer lips the verses and choruses. I find it even more strange that no one seems to mention it. Everyone says “she used to lip The Reason, now it’s live” but no one ever mentions MHWGO.

 

They were on TTEOTW but everything on that dvd was directly from Boston/montreal regardless of what city was being shown. So that is not the reason. The reason is simply that all the playbacks were re recorded simply because they were playback and the entire cover up was meant to do exactly that. Cover up the tours lipping. I think that obviously certain songs were the main reason but they just did all the songs anyway.

 

The only exceptions on tteotw not being copy paste were ssd when it was raining, lcmm in africa, i got the music in me, a world to believe in...possibly another clip or two but largely everything in tteotw is just a copy paste job.

 

The mhwgo evolution isn't always discussed. It's interesting that in 2015 mhwgo and bylm swapped places. One became live, one became lipped. I think she tried to maintain that until she was just too inconsistent on the ending to stay with it. The real fact that never gets discussed is that when she began lipping end of mhwgo she SHOULD have began singing half of bylm live again....maybe she thinks the four words and three minute singalong accomplishes that? Lol

[Tyler1991]

 

 

I agree! I waaaaaay prefer this lower key and her 2011 tone for me is just to die for, truly one of my favourite vocal eras of hers, even with the insane amount of lipping.

 

As for other points you made in the thread, agreed TJTWIM was a wasted track and I wish it had made it to Europe and NA, even if it was lipped, it was a good song. Plus we have the amazing soundcheck audio with the extra high note. I’m still firm in my belief that the Fade Away performance from South Africa is lipped to, another wasted track as I recall it disappeared from the show for a while and then returned and it sounded extremely different, her exp<b></b>ressions and movements are extremely suspect and the audio and vocals are just way too polished and clean or me, but let’s face it, we’ll never know.

 

Fade away nooooo. I think fade away is just an example of that early 2008 where her high belting was demonstrated the best after 2000 it ever had been. The live eb5 in ABM on the 14th was her greatest EVER, the very show before the 16th with fade away... her f5s in man's world on the "everything they can" line before she started screeching a5s were AMAZING. I also like the alone f5 better than both the promo and the later tour performances.

 

I think the peak of taking chances was extremely early and extremely short. Id like to think fade away pretoria is like an example of celine caring for a short while then saying f*** it and being lazy on notes. Almost like the opening night 2003 lcmm bootleg where randomly that one night she hit all the old adlibs she never does. Lol i think early performances tend to represent her trying to mimick a certain version more closely and as she goes on it changes.

[AdrienneM]

 

 

Fade away nooooo. I think fade away is just an example of that early 2008 where her high belting was demonstrated the best after 2000 it ever had been. The live eb5 in ABM on the 14th was her greatest EVER, the very show before the 16th with fade away... her f5s in man's world on the "everything they can" line before she started screeching a5s were AMAZING. I also like the alone f5 better than both the promo and the later tour performances.

 

I think the peak of taking chances was extremely early and extremely short. Id like to think fade away pretoria is like an example of celine caring for a short while then saying f*** it and being lazy on notes. Almost like the opening night 2003 lcmm bootleg where randomly that one night she hit all the old adlibs she never does. Lol i think early performances tend to represent her trying to mimick a certain version more closely and as she goes on it changes.

 

She was over-animated, made her classic lipping faces and the audio itself as I mentioned was wayyyyy to clear and clean, there are other songs from the same uploaded from that concert and there is a clear difference between the songs which were live and Fade Aways audio, it sounded like a studio track, it was literally flawless sonically, and as for what you said, whilst I agree, her voice still wasn’t that strong that she could run round, make weird faces and twirl her hands and hips and still sing that flawlessly without a waver in pitch or a change in volume when she would move the mic further away, also, the fact that at certain points, particularly the “by myseeeelf” before the sustained F5 belt, her mouth doesn’t match the audio at all, but the rest of it syncs perfectly. These are all things I’ve noticed before and lead me to definetly thinking it’s lipped. Why else would it virtually disappear and then when it did re appear it sounded frankly, bad, with virtually every high note except the F5 dodged and not ever attempted again.

[SuperLove4Celine]

Squeaky wheel gets the oil. The “Eyes On Me” video was just unblocked. LOL

[Tyler1991]

 

 

She was over-animated, made her classic lipping faces and the audio itself as I mentioned was wayyyyy to clear and clean, there are other songs from the same uploaded from that concert and there is a clear difference between the songs which were live and Fade Aways audio, it sounded like a studio track, it was literally flawless sonically, and as for what you said, whilst I agree, her voice still wasn’t that strong that she could run round, make weird faces and twirl her hands and hips and still sing that flawlessly without a waver in pitch or a change in volume when she would move the mic further away, also, the fact that at certain points, particularly the “by myseeeelf” before the sustained F5 belt, her mouth doesn’t match the audio at all, but the rest of it syncs perfectly. These are all things I’ve noticed before and lead me to definetly thinking it’s lipped. Why else would it virtually disappear and then when it did re appear it sounded frankly, bad, with virtually every high note except the F5 dodged and not ever attempted again.

 

Hmm...the seeds are planted. I'll have to ponder this more. I just can't imagine 2008 celine dropping a track only to re add it live...situation like TJTWIM sounds more likely (dropping altogether).

[SuperLove4Celine]

Assuming they continue to upload videos in setlist order from the “Taking Chances World Tour” and in threes to her YouTube page, “I’m Alive,” “Shadow Of Love,” and “Fade Away” should be the next ones to go up.

[TiagoFragoso05]

Maybe so but its an uptempo medley...if it were live she wouldn't have waited until lcmm when her mic volume is fully up to start talking to the audience.

 

I could also see the last line of dol having been live for the sake of transition. But who knows? But overall this performance has too much of that polished feel that the playbacks have. The bridge ad libs especially.

i put the playlist (acapella) on my channel

 

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtEC83nEUR8Wwq_KFzHUColGWnY9ftwHz

[TiagoFragoso05]

The playlist from the full concert in acapella

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtEC83nEUR8Wwq_KFzHUColGWnY9ftwHz

[celinefanonline]

i want BLu-ray of this..................

[TiagoFragoso05]

Its so clear when its live and not, u can hear from the sound of the audience..

compare

to

[Shaun]

Assuming they continue to upload videos in setlist order from the “Taking Chances World Tour” and in threes to her YouTube page, “I’m Alive,” “Shadow Of Love,” and “Fade Away” should be the next ones to go up.

 

I absolutely love the TCWT version of “I’m Alive.”

[CelineDionForeverNY]

Nope. Not with celine anyway.

 

It was rehearsed maybe 2 or 3 times and we have one audio performance.

 

https://youtu.be/iGvEitYk_pc

 

I really like this key better than the 1996 one. I still lean towards this being lipped especially listening to it transition to lcmm vocal. People don't recognize it, but this song overall is one of her hardest. Even the verses are high!!

 

The key is actually artificially pitched higher by the uploader, LCMM isn't the correct key either. Many videos from this uploader are higher in pitch than what they actually were. There used to be a video with the right pitch on YouTube but I can't seem to find it anymore...