The Next U.S.A President

[Nmj]

I agree

[incognito]

Hillary Clinton has some crazy "fans". It's actually disturbing that any politician would have "fans". They're not pop stars!

[zoea2812]

They definitely cant sing as good as Celine!!

[PrincesseJen]

Hillary Clinton has some crazy "fans". It's actually disturbing that any politician would have "fans". They're not pop stars!

 

Many Obama supporters make threats to people on a daily basis. They treat people who put up youtube videos against Obama, on message boards when they say negative things about Obama, they've threatened superdelegates (even slashed tires of one) and they've even threatened public tv personality Tavis Smiley for supporting Hillary. http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php...86&Itemid=1

Yes they are 7 flavors of crazy.Not all democrats are the same as others. This is one of the many reasons we don't support him. He is a magnet for negative/violent people.

Edited June 21, 2008 at 06:15 PM by PrincesseJen

[incognito]

I go to several forums and the only crazies I have come across have been Hillary-nuts.

[sgcpc]

I go to several forums and the only crazies I have come across have been Hillary-nuts.

 

 

thats little too dramatic, dont you think?

[incognito]

It's a fact. Most of her supporters (just like Obama's) are sane and rational but the only really kooky ones I have come across have been Clinton-maniacs. Edited June 21, 2008 at 08:15 PM by incognito

[Nmj]

HaHa HillaryNuts lol

 

I agree they love her way too much its disturbing , and I voted for her but they need to suck up now and for Obama

[incognito]

I like Hillary. She should have won the nomination. But... she didn't so moving on...

[Nmj]

I Cant agree more...i Voted for her in my state primary for Ohio and she won our state, but she's done know....so we have a choice of Change (w/ Obama) or same sh** (w/ McCain) I just hope we have change because this country is hurting right now and the same pile of nothing will only makes use worse and now it's time to suck it up and vote for change with Obama!

-Nmj

Edited June 21, 2008 at 11:33 PM by Nmj

[CelineRose2008]

mccain your fans are backing you to

[warriorbard]

I was rooting for Hillary but she doesn't appeal to an audience like Obama does. Hence her defeat. Obama has a good head on his shoulders and he'll be a good influence in helping to turn American politicals around. I agree that if McCain wins, the country is just going to be in a lot of trouble. The American economy is already going through a potential recession, it can't afford any more conflicts, especially political ones. Edited June 22, 2008 at 09:15 AM by warriorbard

[CelineRose2008]

i think if hillaryobama wins the usa is go down fast

if you think its bad now with high gas prices high food prices

i think its going to get really bad if hillaryobama win

please god let mccain win it

[billyitaly86]

i don't like barack, but surely is much better than mccain

[sgcpc]

i don't like barack, but surely is much better than mccain

 

 

thank you!!!!!

 

and rose, democrats is bad because?!?!?!?!?!

 

u think mccain can fix the economy....... r u kidding me, even himself said he needs to learn more on how to deal with the economy!

[incognito]

i think if hillaryobama wins the usa is go down fast

if you think its bad now with high gas prices high food prices

i think its going to get really bad if hillaryobama win

please god let mccain win it

 

And why do you think it's going to get really bad? What do you base this on? What do you think they'll do? What do you think they are incapable of doing? What do you think McCain will do to boost the economy that Obama-Hillary or Obama-Whoever will not?

 

Did you know that it was the Republicans that wrecked the economy? The economy was strong when Clinton left office... he turned around all of the damage that Reagan and Bush Snr had caused.

[Bralo20]

I started to read this threat really interrested but it changed very quick...

 

 

PrincesseJen, Celinerose2008,

 

Can you both please make your points on a normal base? Not by using irritating pink colors nor by using font sizes so big that you can have only a half a sentence on your screen? And thanks for not repeating the same thing over and over again, it becomes very very boring...

 

Thanks for that! I (we all) really appreciate it!

 

 

First of all I'm a Belgian several thousand miles away from the USA in our tiny little country. As I can't vote in the elections I think it's fair to say I have an objective opinion about the elections.

 

Second, I've been to the US before and have some friends living there. I'm very interrested in politics, including politics arround the world, including politics in the US. Due this fact I try to follow the elections as good as possible.

 

When talking about the elections in the US here in Belgium (and even whole Europe) nearly everybody is supporting the democrats with Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton as competitors in the pre elections. Few are supporting the republicans with McCain as competitor in the elections. Most of us are thinking that Barack Obama would be the best choice to be the next candidate in the US. We really think that something can and will change with Obama as president. He's also my favorite choice.

 

HOWEVER... Unfortunately a lot of those people are thinking that Obama will NOT win the elections against McCain. Not because we think that Americans are idiots for electing a warrior as president and continues the wars arround the world but mostly because we think that the USA is unfortunately not ready to have a black president... (ducks away for some nasty words and objects throwing at me) Neither was the US ready for a female president however she would have some little more chance to win the elections with McCain... I really hope that i'm wrong with this opinion but i'm affraid that i'm correct with my opinion... Probably few will admit it but I know that a lot of people just aren't ready for the first black president in America's history...

 

Fact is that the US is going down straight ahead at this moment... The USD is at a very low rate (makes it very intersting for us to buy in the US or buy USD but unfortunately it's isn't good for the Americans). The war against terror, like they like to call it so nicely, is causing a lot of innocent deaths and is costing a huge amount of money... One of the few who are really happy with the ware are arms dealers and manufacturars... They love war at any moment because a war brings a lot of money for them...

 

Is it really necessary for the USA to fight arround the world? Was the war in Iraq really necessary? I agree that Saddam wasn't the most pleasant man on earth and yes the world is probably better without him... However, if you ask and Iraqi what they liked most: Iraq before the invasion by the US or Iraq after the invasion a lot of people will tell that it was much better before the US "came to the rescue"... People are getting killed day after day just for nothing...

 

Is the USA safer since "the war on terror" commenced? No it is not... The USA, hell even the whole world, is still vurnable to terror... Terror that eventually will get more people killed and will have more war as result...

 

What people need to do is to live in peace with eachother regarding rank, ethics or religion... And yes, it will be hard to do so but honestly I want a nice world for my future children and grandchildren to live in...

 

And yes, there are always people that will be trying to attack the US or other countries but if we all start to accept each other eventually it will all work, maybe not in the first decade maybe even not this century but in the end it can work...

 

And in my modest opinion I really think that Obama is the best candidate to achieve this... Or at least he will try, something I don't think McCain will try... Neiter Rodham-Clinton will try... Hillary supported the war before and eventually she will support it again...

 

And one of the bases of the whole crisis in the US is the war continuing way to long...

 

But we will have to wait to see what will happen... Within a few months we will know who will be the next president and if there will be chances in the next few years...

 

I think I can honestly say that most of the Europeans are supporting Obama in the race to become the president of the USA... Unfortunately we aren't able to vote...

 

 

Just my thoughts about the elections...

[SensationalCeline]

id vote for obama if i was american - mainly because i think that America needs to change and he can bring that change. now we juts need that kind of promise of change here in england!!

 

They promise so much but the question is when it comes time to deliever, will they actually do it?

[celínico_sin_remedio]

If I could...I would vote for Obama...I was a Hillary follower,they were even sending me emails almost everyday just for voting Y&I as her campaing theme song...

 

And I think Hillary and Obama have their ressemblances,it's dissapointing that Obama doesn't care about gay issues though...

 

But if McCain wins,...well...nothing is going to change...the war...the economic depression that also affects Europe...it will be just another GWB....Do you really want another republican 'a lo' GWB as a president??

 

So my vote goes for...Obama!!

 

 

 

(as I said,the only thing I see bad from him is his 'not-caring about gay issues' thing...but on these issues McCain could do even so much worse...remember he's a republican,and the republican thoughts are, in general, even more conservative...well, Arnold Swatchenzenger is just the exception that confirms the rule in this case )

[Alex_Incognito]

It is WONDERFUL to hear the rest of the world on this topic!!!!!!

 

 

I love Belgium and Spain!!!! Thank you guys!

[Nmj]

ya

[Nmj]

To Show how much Hillary is supporting Obama , her campagin email to me.

On February 8, in Unity, New Hampshire, 107 people voted for me, and 107 people voted for Senator Barack Obama.

 

Today, Barack and I were in Unity to celebrate a unified Democratic Party focused on electing him the next president. I was proud to stand with him today, and I will do whatever I can to help his campaign between now and November.

 

Senator McCain and the Republicans may have hoped that we wouldn't join forces like this. They may have wished that we wouldn't stand united to fight this battle with everything we've got.

 

But I've got news for them: We are one party; we are one America; and we are not going to rest until we take back our country and put it once again on the path to peace, prosperity, and progress in the 21st century

Edited June 28, 2008 at 05:13 PM by Nmj

[CelineRose2008]

i hope mccain wins

[incognito]

i hope mccain wins

 

ok... so...

 

i think if hillaryobama wins the usa is go down fast

if you think its bad now with high gas prices high food prices

i think its going to get really bad if hillaryobama win

please god let mccain win it

 

And why do you think it's going to get really bad? What do you base this on? What do you think they'll do? What do you think they are incapable of doing? What do you think McCain will do to boost the economy that Obama-Hillary or Obama-Whoever will not?

 

Did you know that it was the Republicans that wrecked the economy? The economy was strong when Clinton left office... he turned around all of the damage that Reagan and Bush Snr had caused.

 

????

[incognito]

i hope mccain wins

 

 

Is that why you're voting Republican?

[PrincesseJen]

I started to read this threat really interrested but it changed very quick...

 

 

PrincesseJen, Celinerose2008,

 

Can you both please make your points on a normal base? Not by using irritating pink colors nor by using font sizes so big that you can have only a half a sentence on your screen? And thanks for not repeating the same thing over and over again, it becomes very very boring...

 

Thanks for that! I (we all) really appreciate it!

 

 

First of all I'm a Belgian several thousand miles away from the USA in our tiny little country. As I can't vote in the elections I think it's fair to say I have an objective opinion about the elections.

 

Second, I've been to the US before and have some friends living there. I'm very interrested in politics, including politics arround the world, including politics in the US. Due this fact I try to follow the elections as good as possible.

 

When talking about the elections in the US here in Belgium (and even whole Europe) nearly everybody is supporting the democrats with Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton as competitors in the pre elections. Few are supporting the republicans with McCain as competitor in the elections. Most of us are thinking that Barack Obama would be the best choice to be the next candidate in the US. We really think that something can and will change with Obama as president. He's also my favorite choice.

 

HOWEVER... Unfortunately a lot of those people are thinking that Obama will NOT win the elections against McCain. Not because we think that Americans are idiots for electing a warrior as president and continues the wars arround the world but mostly because we think that the USA is unfortunately not ready to have a black president... (ducks away for some nasty words and objects throwing at me) Neither was the US ready for a female president however she would have some little more chance to win the elections with McCain... I really hope that i'm wrong with this opinion but i'm affraid that i'm correct with my opinion... Probably few will admit it but I know that a lot of people just aren't ready for the first black president in America's history...

 

Fact is that the US is going down straight ahead at this moment... The USD is at a very low rate (makes it very intersting for us to buy in the US or buy USD but unfortunately it's isn't good for the Americans). The war against terror, like they like to call it so nicely, is causing a lot of innocent deaths and is costing a huge amount of money... One of the few who are really happy with the ware are arms dealers and manufacturars... They love war at any moment because a war brings a lot of money for them...

 

Is it really necessary for the USA to fight arround the world? Was the war in Iraq really necessary? I agree that Saddam wasn't the most pleasant man on earth and yes the world is probably better without him... However, if you ask and Iraqi what they liked most: Iraq before the invasion by the US or Iraq after the invasion a lot of people will tell that it was much better before the US "came to the rescue"... People are getting killed day after day just for nothing...

 

Is the USA safer since "the war on terror" commenced? No it is not... The USA, hell even the whole world, is still vurnable to terror... Terror that eventually will get more people killed and will have more war as result...

 

What people need to do is to live in peace with eachother regarding rank, ethics or religion... And yes, it will be hard to do so but honestly I want a nice world for my future children and grandchildren to live in...

 

And yes, there are always people that will be trying to attack the US or other countries but if we all start to accept each other eventually it will all work, maybe not in the first decade maybe even not this century but in the end it can work...

 

And in my modest opinion I really think that Obama is the best candidate to achieve this... Or at least he will try, something I don't think McCain will try... Neiter Rodham-Clinton will try... Hillary supported the war before and eventually she will support it again...

 

And one of the bases of the whole crisis in the US is the war continuing way to long...

 

But we will have to wait to see what will happen... Within a few months we will know who will be the next president and if there will be chances in the next few years...

 

I think I can honestly say that most of the Europeans are supporting Obama in the race to become the president of the USA... Unfortunately we aren't able to vote...

 

 

Just my thoughts about the elections...

 

 

First of all, I ALWAYS type using these colors and I don't intend to stop. Sorry. Second, it's not that America isn't ready for a black president. There are many black politicans right now that are better suited to be president then Obama. He served one year in the senate and apparently many on the far left were way too encourgaging to the idea he should run for president. It's sad that anyone would want to support Obama just because he goes by the name of Democrat. He is anything but democratic. He preaches one thing and does another. In the past two weeks alone he has flip flopped on several issues. Obama is not the better candidate to end the war either. Frankly, he doesn't know what he's going to do. And he doesn't even know how to go about doing it either. It will be yet another broken promise by Obama. In the end it isn't about democrat or republican but who can actually live up to they're promises. And Obama has proven he certainly can not.

[PrincesseJen]

i hope mccain wins :thumbsup2:

 

 

Is that why you're voting Republican?

Is this why you'd vote for Obama? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_V7LU9bJ5U

[incognito]

I'm not watching a 7 minute YouTube video, sorry.

[Nmj]

i hope mccain wins

 

 

Is that why you're voting Republican?

 

 

Thats why we are not voting republican and Celinerose2008 is!

-Nmj

[LittleBrooks]

Hillary Clinton not only won more Votes than her rival Barack Obama, but after all the 2008 Presidential Primary Votes were Counted and Certified, she won more Votes than any other Presidential Primary candidate in American history.

 

17,822,145 Votes - Hillary Clinton

17,535,458 Votes - Barack Obama

+286,687 Votes - Hillary Clinton

238,168 - Michigan Uncommitted,which included Barck Obama,Bill Richardson,Joe Biden and John Edwards, who chose to take their names off the ballot, and chose not to do a re-vote.

Michigan is Voting on August 5th 2008 for Senator and Representative's In Congress, why not include a Presidential Primary re-vote? (and re-vote in Florida where Barack Obama "broke the rules")

 

1766.5 Pledged Delegates - Barack Obama

1639.5 Pledged Delegates - Hillary Clinton

+127 Pledged Delegates - Barack Obama

This is not the "real" Pledged Delegate count based on the Actual Certified Votes that were cast by the American People - this is the Pledged Delegate count after the democratic party changed the actual Votes ... based on research, exit polls, people who didn't Vote-but who may have wanted to Vote ... (This is a First in American History)

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Clinton camp: Obama's Florida ads bust pledge

By Jeremy Wallace - HERALD TRIBUNE POLITICAL WRITER

Published Wednesday, Jan. 23, 2008 at 4:30 a.m.

 

Hillary Clinton's campaign said Tuesday it will not break a pledge to campaign in Florida, even as Clinton is accusing Barack Obama of doing just that.

"I intend to abide by the pledge and follow the pledge, and that's what we are, you know, planning to do," Clinton told reporters on Tuesday.

Her comments come two days after Obama's campaign launched national television advertisements on CNN and MSNBC that are shown in Florida -- a "blatant" violation of a pledge signed by all of the top Democratic candidates to not campaign in the state, Clinton's campaign says.

Clinton's supporters in Florida are putting new pressure on her to scrap the pledge, arguing Obama's ads make it almost irrelevant.

"It's time to take the gloves off," said Ana Cruz, a Democratic activist from Tampa who is helping lead Clinton's Florida campaign unofficially.

Cruz said it is important for Clinton to get back to Florida and rally support to assure she wins the state on Tuesday.

But Obama's campaign spokesman Bill Burton disputes the pledge was broken. He said the campaign asked CNN and MSNBC to pull Florida from the ad buy, but the networks said they could not.

In August, major Democratic candidates signed a pledge to not campaign in Florida as part of the state's punishment for moving up its primary election to Jan. 29 -- a week before national rules allowed.

The Democratic National Committee stripped the state of its delegates. Then Democrats in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina followed by pushing the pledge that bans the candidates from campaigning in the state, including running television commercials or hosting rallies.

The only exception in the ban is for fundraising.

Experts are surprised the pledge has held this long. Because three of the early states have already voted, Daniel A. Smith, a University of Florida political scientist, said he expected the campaigns to be heading to Florida by now.

"If they break the pledge now, who is it going to offend?" Smith said. "I don't see how it would offend anyone in South Carolina enough to tip the presidential election."

Yet South Carolina has become the gatekeeper for the pledge. Burton said Obama's campaign consulted with Carol Fowler, chairwoman of the South Carolina Democratic Party, before the ad ran, and she "told us unequivocally she did not consider this to be in violation of pledge made to the early states," Burton said.

At this point, said Smith, neither Obama nor Clinton have incentive to campaign in Florida. Because he continues to trail Clinton in the polls here, Obama should focus instead on Feb. 5, when 22 states hold primary elections, Smith said.

Clinton would not benefit either, Smith said. Breaking the pledge would be seen as a sign that her campaign sees support waning in the state.

The only candidate that would benefit at this point would be John Edwards, who "has nothing to lose" by breaking the pledge. If he set up a rally in Florida, he could give himself a shot at winning over the state's Democrats who are desperate to see a real candidate.

"I don't see how it would hurt him in the slightest," Smith said.

jeremy.wallace@ heraldtribune.com.

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Clinton cries foul on Obama cable ads

By: Mike Allen - Politico

January 21, 2008 06:39 PM EST

The Clinton campaign complained Monday that a national ad buy by Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) violates the Democratic candidates' pledge not to campaign in Florida.

"They made the strategic decision to affirmatively make a buy that includes Florida," Clinton spokesman Mo Elleithee said on a conference call the campaign held to denounce what the Clinton camp called "Senator Obama's Violation of the Early State Pledge."

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) and the party's other candidates agreed not to campaign in Florida ahead of its primary next week because the Democratic National Committee is punishing the state party for holding its primary before Feb. 5.

Having called out the Obama campaign over its advertising, the Clinton campaign says it may do the same thing.

"We have honored the pledge in every way possible," Elleithee said. "Now ... we're going to review all the options that are available to us moving forward."

Clinton will travel to raise Florida to raise money, which may be allowed due to a loophole in the agreement not to campaign there.

Obama's ad began airing Monday on CNN and MSNBC.

The positive ad, called "Inspiring," finishes with Obama saying: "There is not a liberal America and a conservative America - there is the United States of America."

Former Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack (D), a key Clinton backer, said on the call: "These are sophisticated buyers that they have. They know full well that they were going to saturate the Florida market."

Clinton's campaign acknowledged that it's not possible to buy 49-state coverage - that the only alternative would be the much more complex process of buying state by state and market by market.

Asking a question on the call, NBC News Political Director Chuck Todd pointed out the complexity of the matter by noting that buying advertising in Mobile, Ala., gives a campaign substantial reach into the Florida Panhandle.

Elleithee responded that Clinton has not yet bought ads in Alabama, which has a Feb. 5 primary, but said the campaign reserves the right to do so.

Bill Burton, the Obama for America press secretary, called the attack "misguided."

"Both national cable networks told us it would be impossible for us to run advertising nationally that excluded only Florida," Burton said.

"For that reason we consulted with the South Carolina Democratic Party Chair Carol Fowler who told us unequivocally she did not consider this to be in violation of [the] pledge made to the early states."

The issue marked an escalation in the increasingly fierce and public wrangling between the campaigns.

Obama campaign manager David Plouffe said on a later conference call that the Clinton campaign "has been looking" for an excuse to "evade" the pledge."

"This has kind of been a pattern," Plouffe said. "They've been willing to play outside the lines."

Plouffe also said: "We inquired about the ability, given our pledge in Florida, to not run spots down there. Both cable systems said that wasn't possible."

Rep. Robert Wexler (D-Fla.) said on the call that the Clinton complaint was "both silly and a bit of an exaggeration" given that both candidates will appear on a two-hour debate on CNN, available to cable viewers in Florida.

Plouffe accused the Clinton campaign of "a win-at-all-cost mentality."