"ALONE" an official U.S. flop... on former staple format AC

[grobandion]

MY LOVE is the power song that the world needs...

 

when I ask someone about Celine they tell me that they like songs like THINK TWICE or BECAUSE YOU LOVED ME....

 

the world needs a good ballad... the world needs emotional

 

and we need a good video for the song like Celine walking on the beach and some Celine memories in me middle mixed with Celine on Stage...nothing more in my opinion....

 

maybe later a song like Fade Away

 

 

thks Chuck

 

I agree with celinesounds....in a way

I believe she should realease (is that spelled right) multiple singles for different parts of the world

In LatinAmerica, where the hip-hop crazyness is not installed, and people is always in a mood for a great ballad, they should realease a ballad, just like My Love.

That would make the people say...Hey! that's Celine Dion, the girl with the powerful voice.

 

And, by the way, I didn't know "Taking Chances" was a rock album.

where is the rock in it?

 

saludos

[Attendais]

Great! Rene sleeps, Céline's going down. Indeed.

[aicee]

Since Celine will have another break from her career again. I think that's maybe the reason why the team we're not giving too much exposure of anything. Still they keep the tour on videos and etc.

[Black Kitten]

Chuck : Thanks for the post!! This was so avoidable if only Sony would do the leg work. Take a look at other Sony artists websites (not necessarily official, but MySpace) MySpace and Facebook are HUGE resourses that Sony should have fleshed out.

 

Do you think that this failure is all Sony's fault? I mean, Sony sucks, we all know this, but it seems like Rene doesn't care anymore either. I know that some of the things he has said about Celine's album sales has made me cringe. Isn't it his job to make sure her albums sell? More than anything, shouldn't he make sure that Celine stays relevent? Are we the only ones noting that Celine's sales are dwindling?

 

Is it time for Rene to step down as her manager and let someone with fresh eyes take over??

i regretfuly agree. you took the words outta my mouth. celine should fire rene. yes rene made celine one of the most important people in the business, but i don't know what's going on with in his brain now. the vegas he boasted is over, AND SO IS CELINE. she desperately needs Clive Davis and hire LA Reid as her producer! (it's as if the couple still care after all)

[stillwater]

Thanks for the insightful post, Chuck!

 

Sad but true. Celine needs a reliable someone who can save her flagging music career...

[Shaun]

Whilst I agree with everything that has been said it must also be noted that the music industry did NOT need another song from Celine that was a cover. Yes "Alone" is a great song and Celine's vocals are amazing in it, but it's all been done before. Celine, and her producers, offered nothing new to the song for a new generation.

 

Celine (or Sony) should be focusing on her own material, songs written specifically for her. Over the years we've had too many covers and whilst there is certainly a place for them on the album, they shouldn't be considered as singles should they? Can you imagine Madonna, Beyonce, Rihanna, Mariah or any other female artists Celine is competing with in the charts these days authorising the release of "Alone" as a single? "Yeah, just release the re-hash of the 80's power ballad." It just wouldn't happen because they, and their managers, are involved in such discussions. Celine, and more importantly, Rene aren't.

 

If, as they say, they dont care then please just stop because very soon the media will not be reporting about Celine's incredible album sales, they'll soon start talking about the fact that her last hit single was so long ago and her run of flops. Even as recently as last week one UK newspaper commented that "I Drove All Night" was her last UK hit. It reached number 27 in the charts. Not that "I Drove All Night" was her last single released here of course, it's just that all the others have flopped. We're seeing a similar pattern everywhere.

 

Celine, Rene, Sony - if you dont care, please just stop because this is getting embarrassing.

[Kyle_Jared]

....to add further, Celine needs to be very present when marketing her new songs.....and yes the songs cannot be rehashed material STILL being played on AC....even though she does a brillant cover of "Alone".

 

Right now the American and World music media are focused on two Divas Mariah and Madonna......and Whitney's new project is looming in the background and Clive will pounce with RESOUNDING might late summer/early fall with her.

 

If they're going to release another single from Taking Chances......they need to promo it HUGE......which is hard when shes in Europe......or at least make apperance via satalite....

 

Another option...re-release it with a sure-fire-I-don't-care-how-much-money-you-got-to-fork-out-HUGE single a la' "Bleeding Love"

[idroveallnight]

It's really annoying when they say they don't care about the chart positions yada yada yada; that Celine doesn't need to sing anymore, she only does because it's fun and she wants to. The truth is, there isn't an artist out there who doesn't want to be #1. Just last week on ET, Madonna was asked if it's still important to her that she enters #1 on Billboard album chart and Hot 100 and she said "of course it's very important...those things show that people still care about my music and want to hear me." And that's the truth. I'm sure many people would dig Celine's new songs if they had the opportunity to hear them, but everyone has this preconceived notion that she only sings corny ballads like MHWGO. So much for the comeback. It was 6 months today Taking Chances was released and it's already gone with the wind. This album still has so much potential and I don't think it's too late to get the momentum up and going again. Celine can do a lot of promo while she's on tour hopping from country to country.

 

I wish you would send that your post to Rene, Chuck...I know those are the last things any fan would ever want to tell them but you'd be saving Celine's career in some small way, no pun intended. They need to know, especially from a professional such as yourself, that Celine doesn't deserve this treatment.

Edited May 14, 2008 at 01:22 AM by idroveallnight

[caroline_reynolds]

My love needs to be released. It works in the show, people love it.

[celinesounds]

My love needs to be released. It works in the show, people love it.

 

thats what i think

[ByuSmurf]

Thanks for the dismal news, Chuck.

For MOST of us American fans, we KNEW Alone would be a MAJOR flop here in the states.

It is career suicide to try to release a SINGLE of one of the GREATEST classics of all time!

Granted... it is a GOOD cover, but Heart's rendition is PERFECTION.

 

Working with Clive Davis... I mentioned that LONG before TC ever started to evolve.

He is a producer with MAGIC!

Kelly Clarkson's Breakaway album is a PRIME example and Whitney's upcoming album will be HUGE!

 

As far as Céline's contract goes, I believe she signed to a 10 album commitment after FIY. So, that deal should be almost complete. Céline & René should pack their bags and leave Sony in the dust and move to another label...one with execs that have a clue about what songs would be hit singles and how to promote such a talented artist!

 

BTW: Where is Polly Anthony? She was one of the biggest Céline supporters @ Sony?!

 

MESSAGE to SONY:

#1 LESSON - LISTEN to the FANS WORLDWIDE and acknowledge their DIFFERENT tastes in music instead of trying to force feed ONE single to everyone!

The fans here in the USA want - Fade Away as a single

Many Worldwide fans want - Shadow of Love

Japan got A World to Believe duet w/ Yuna Ito BRAVO

Europe got EOM & it's PATHETIC remixes & Alone

 

If Sony had gotten Will I Am into the studio to do a remix for EOM - it would have been a single hot enough for Top 40 radio!

If they had kept the collaborations w/ Timbaland on the album ... we probably wouldn't be talkin' about how to salvage this album and Sony's single choices.

Edited May 14, 2008 at 02:06 AM by ByuSmurf

[stevethefan]

Thanks for the info Chuck. Yeah I really wish Celine would change labels when her contract ends. Somehow I don't think she will but hopefully I'm wrong. They really do need to give her more promotion. I would thing that she and Rene do still care about this since they are going on such a massive tour with a new album.

[celinesounds]

About Clive Davis in my opinion he doesn't like Celine Dion. I don't know I but I have this feeling.... He never talks about her

 

Dance With My Father was the only track where they have worked together

Edited May 14, 2008 at 03:00 AM by celinesounds

[beautyroses]

For years, Celine has said she's never paid attention to facts and figures, chart positions, earnings etc. She just wanted to sing, did interviews when she was told to, and left the business up to Rene and Sony. I don't think it's a new thing. What's new is that Sony isn't promoting her music.

But you know what? If she doesn't care, I don't care. I'd much rather see pictures of a beautiful new baby than an article saying she's sold another million CDs. She has success anyway, I just want her to be happy- and as long as she loves singing, great, I want her to do that too, but for fun, not to break more records!

it make no sense for me,I love her to have new child and enjoy life,but It seems she is the one who doesn' t want it,an example of it is extending new day to five years,and working this hard.

with the start of new day count the albumes she made

1-one heart 2-Une Fille et Quatre Types3-miracle4-d'elles 5-Taking chances I did't count 2 other albumes that were not studio albumes

if she wants to enjoy life,and enjoy singing she could make for example 2 albumes during five years with selective songs and good promotion,releasing 5 albumes with no good promotion and no good singles and no great made music videos doesn't make any sense for me.Even a new day has come had bad singles too.

I hated "goodbye the saddest word"as a single .

excuse me for telling that ;but celine should understand quality is better than quantity.for example falling into you was a good albume and it was on the charts for almost two years.

I don't expect Celine to sing ballads all the time,I want her to be aware what she is doing

Edited May 14, 2008 at 07:44 AM by beautyroses

[Bumble]

Well, the only mojo I see with Whitney's comeback album is a bad mojo! Clive's been bragging about the histrionic comeback of the diva for 5 years now...yet, we're still waiting for news about it. All I hear is drama, cocaine, alcohol, divorce, voice problems and so on.

 

As for celine, it's pretty clear. Everyone i the company has been fired. Rene has no more contacts at Sony USA. And the choice of singles been a catastrophe since the day they thought releasing "Goodbye's" as a single was a very good idea. Back then I said it was the worst move they ever made, and I guess that that day they opened the pandora's box of bad strategic moves.

 

Celine'ss been the milking cow of sony for too long. It's high time she rebeled!

[beautyroses]

Well, the only mojo I see with Whitney's comeback album is a bad mojo! Clive's been bragging about the histrionic comeback of the diva for 5 years now...yet, we're still waiting for news about it. All I hear is drama, cocaine, alcohol, divorce, voice problems and so on.

 

As for celine, it's pretty clear. Everyone i the company has been fired. Rene has no more contacts at Sony USA. And the choice of singles been a catastrophe since the day they thought releasing "Goodbye's" as a single was a very good idea. Back then I said it was the worst move they ever made, and I guess that that day they opened the pandora's box of bad strategic moves.

 

Celine'ss been the milking cow of sony for too long. It's high time she rebeled!

what you said scares me,if it is true it shows i think rene is not that great manager and only his contacts made him successful, so it is time foe him to leave his managing career. or at least chang celine company.

I hate when people stuck with people or situations that let them down

yeah and goodbye the saddest word is beautiful but at the same time awful songs,I think nobody even dare to sing it for their moms, cos it is talking about death

Edited May 14, 2008 at 09:31 AM by beautyroses

[Jacqui]

Yeah I know, she postponed the baby thing for her career a few times, but she seems so enthusiastic and happy when she talks about trying to get pregnant again. So I hope that happens for her, more than anything.

And I can't imagine anyone other than Rene ever being her manager, as long as he can. She trusts him with her career and always has.

What I don't get is how in one thread you all are complaining that Celine works too hard and she needs a break, and then here you're all saying she needs to care more about her career. If she were to change record companies (I do realise that sony's lack of promotion is the problem), or even do a little more promotion herself, it's pretty much inevitable that she'd have to work even harder.

[beautyroses]

Yeah I know, she postponed the baby thing for her career a few times, but she seems so enthusiastic and happy when she talks about trying to get pregnant again. So I hope that happens for her, more than anything.

And I can't imagine anyone other than Rene ever being her manager, as long as he can. She trusts him with her career and always has.

What I don't get is how in one thread you all are complaining that Celine works too hard and she needs a break, and then here you're all saying she needs to care more about her career. If she were to change record companies (I do realise that sony's lack of promotion is the problem), or even do a little more promotion herself, it's pretty much inevitable that she'd have to work even harder.

I still say she needs a break,you didn't get what I said.

If she needs a break and she needs to be with her family,it doesn't make any sense to work this hard.

Artists who even don't do shows like celine (5 days a week for five years)don't release 5 albumes in 5 years.

what I am talking about is if she wants to remain in show business she should care about what she is doing,not how much she is singing.she could release less albumes these years,enjpy more of her time and at the same time think about quality of her songs.

not only she released 5 albumes but also her albumes have too many tracks.for example "Taking chances" have 16 tracks,lets say 18 because 2 songs were in Taking chances single.it shows working hard with not great work.

I think she could end vegas in 3 years go back and have a child(at least she was 3 years younger than the time she decides to have child now)and comeback in I think one year or one years and a half with greater ideas

Edited May 14, 2008 at 10:24 AM by beautyroses

[Jacqui]

Ok. Well that would be fine if that was what she wanted to do. I respect all your opinions, but I'm not gonna bother arguing anymore about any of this, cuz I just don't care about the whole business side of things. I want Celine to make her choices and be happy. And I love her music. But that's all. I'm more of a fan of her as a human being than a recording artist.

[Thecolourofmylove]

Another thought... If the main goal is to bring Celine back to AC radio, she needs to get back with her original hit-makers. Undenialbly, Celine gives her best vocals while working with David Foster. She made the comment while recording TC that shes never had so much fun recording an album. David pushes her HARD and she has said in the past that he can be too demanding but THE RESULTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES! David is a dick, we know this, but he, like Clive Davis, knows a hit when he hears it. C'mon Celine, bring back David Foster, Diane Warren, and record another Steinman song if you have to... I dont care... You cannot afford to stay off AC radio this long!!

 

Once this tour is over, its time for Celine to re-evaluate her situation. Her die hard fans will stay with her no matter what but what about the rest of the music world?

 

BTW... shes never gonna be top 40 again folks, top 40 is too anti-Celine and even if she did get a young song with a hot new video, she would be mocked. EOM with Will.i.am had its time and that has passed - forget about it. All we can do now is be honest : TC the single flopped, Alone flopped, EOM flopped... hmmmm... Do we see a trend here?? How about something original that fits with Celine's core audience?? My Love would FLY through AC charts, unless its just too late for this album.

[beautyroses]

Another thought... If the main goal is to bring Celine back to AC radio, she needs to get back with her original hit-makers. Undenialbly, Celine gives her best vocals while working with David Foster. She made the comment while recording TC that shes never had so much fun recording an album. David pushes her HARD and she has said in the past that he can be too demanding but THE RESULTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES! David is a dick, we know this, but he, like Clive Davis, knows a hit when he hears it. C'mon Celine, bring back David Foster, Diane Warren, and record another Steinman song if you have to... I dont care... You cannot afford to stay off AC radio this long!!

 

Once this tour is over, its time for Celine to re-evaluate her situation. Her die hard fans will stay with her no matter what but what about the rest of the music world?

 

BTW... shes never gonna be top 40 again folks, top 40 is too anti-Celine and even if she did get a young song with a hot new video, she would be mocked. EOM with Will.i.am had its time and that has passed - forget about it. All we can do now is be honest : TC the single flopped, Alone flopped, EOM flopped... hmmmm... Do we see a trend here?? How about something original that fits with Celine's core audience?? My Love would FLY through AC charts, unless its just too late for this album.

yes,I agree with you,I am a die hard fan and I will stay with her no matter what,but what about other.Celine said in her book "my stroy my dream" (once rene said to her if you want to be recognized you should do your own music),but what about now she want to release a well known single,with a such bad video.

people who like her but are in the edge are falling out of being her fan.

[bfhb]

its all about the money money money....celine/rene are chasing the big bucks and the tour will provide that ....who can blame them?

yes sony could do more ...but are they getting support from celine/rene...is she available for interviews? video shoots? is this why they chose the safe Alone cover?? half hearted video??

were the best songs recorded or the cheapest??? did celine spend enough time in choosing/recording the songs??? i think the whole cd was rushed!

i believe the focus is amass money and disappear for a few years......so celine is doing what she wants....i dont think she is a fool,and she is not blind to the sales, she knows the music business, and she knows all about promotion, she will be sony's victim only if she chooses not to respond to their lack of interest in her!! i believe her agenda and sonys are different...they know celine will disappear after the tour so why invest?

she wants needs and deserves time off .....so this tour is her job her last hurdle till she can relax and put her focus back into her family life ......she must be exhausted after vegas and now this tour ...i as a fan appreciate her touring and i know she is touring also for those who missed her while in vegas but i would rather see the enjoyment back in her eyes and a sense of fun ...i dont think she is enjoying it all as much as she used to ....and i put that down to being over worked.

Edited May 14, 2008 at 08:35 PM by bfhb

[JohnFan97]

Chuck : Thanks for the post!! This was so avoidable if only Sony would do the leg work. Take a look at other Sony artists websites (not necessarily official, but MySpace) MySpace and Facebook are HUGE resourses that Sony should have fleshed out.

 

Do you think that this failure is all Sony's fault? I mean, Sony sucks, we all know this, but it seems like Rene doesn't care anymore either. I know that some of the things he has said about Celine's album sales has made me cringe. Isn't it his job to make sure her albums sell? More than anything, shouldn't he make sure that Celine stays relevent? Are we the only ones noting that Celine's sales are dwindling?

 

Is it time for Rene to step down as her manager and let someone with fresh eyes take over??

 

yes I agree 100%, Rene should step down. He thinks Celine is still as popular as she was in the 90s. The truth is she CAN be but they need to do PROMOTION and release albums at least every year. But with lans for another baby I guess we wont see another cd until celine is over 45 years old? Us fans are the losers. I just hope Celine is happy.

[SuperLove4Celine]

Another thought... If the main goal is to bring Celine back to AC radio, she needs to get back with her original hit-makers. Undenialbly, Celine gives her best vocals while working with David Foster. She made the comment while recording TC that shes never had so much fun recording an album. David pushes her HARD and she has said in the past that he can be too demanding but THE RESULTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES! David is a dick, we know this, but he, like Clive Davis, knows a hit when he hears it. C'mon Celine, bring back David Foster, Diane Warren, and record another Steinman song if you have to... I dont care... You cannot afford to stay off AC radio this long!!

 

Once this tour is over, its time for Celine to re-evaluate her situation. Her die hard fans will stay with her no matter what but what about the rest of the music world?

 

BTW... shes never gonna be top 40 again folks, top 40 is too anti-Celine and even if she did get a young song with a hot new video, she would be mocked. EOM with Will.i.am had its time and that has passed - forget about it. All we can do now is be honest : TC the single flopped, Alone flopped, EOM flopped... hmmmm... Do we see a trend here?? How about something original that fits with Celine's core audience?? My Love would FLY through AC charts, unless its just too late for this album.

 

The reason nothing has worked lately is because the artist, Celine, simply doesn't give a rat's a**. And you know what? It shows in her chart positions. If she cared she'd be more involved with making good videos, pushing radio and television promotion gigs, etc. The fact is that when a person doesn't care it reflects in other facets of their lives (ex. Celine's chart positions).

 

- Joe

[Javito]

Yeah I know, she postponed the baby thing for her career a few times, but she seems so enthusiastic and happy when she talks about trying to get pregnant again. So I hope that happens for her, more than anything.

And I can't imagine anyone other than Rene ever being her manager, as long as he can. She trusts him with her career and always has.

What I don't get is how in one thread you all are complaining that Celine works too hard and she needs a break, and then here you're all saying she needs to care more about her career. If she were to change record companies (I do realise that sony's lack of promotion is the problem), or even do a little more promotion herself, it's pretty much inevitable that she'd have to work even harder.

I still say she needs a break,you didn't get what I said.

If she needs a break and she needs to be with her family,it doesn't make any sense to work this hard.

Artists who even don't do shows like celine (5 days a week for five years)don't release 5 albumes in 5 years.

what I am talking about is if she wants to remain in show business she should care about what she is doing,not how much she is singing.she could release less albumes these years,enjpy more of her time and at the same time think about quality of her songs.

not only she released 5 albumes but also her albumes have too many tracks.for example "Taking chances" have 16 tracks,lets say 18 because 2 songs were in Taking chances single.it shows working hard with not great work.

I think she could end vegas in 3 years go back and have a child(at least she was 3 years younger than the time she decides to have child now)and comeback in I think one year or one years and a half with greater ideas

 

The question is, are really necessary all the dates she is doing for the world tour (especially in the US) to cover the demand? Has Céline Dion enough popularity today to be doing such a big world tour?

 

I would suggest this: less concerts, and MORE PROMOTION!! Things would be different then Because she doesn't need that many concerts, that is good for her pocket (and for René to spend the money her wife earns with her hard work ) but definetly NOT for her actual career situation

 

That why I can't stand the idea of a possible return to Vegas: if she doest that again, another nightmare of 3-5 years shut in that place, bye bye Céline!! Ok it would be grrreat to bring up her next baby, but it will KILL her career.

Edited May 15, 2008 at 12:17 PM by Gonzalillo

[maceta_biloxi]

OH MY GOD SONY!!!! was it hard to find that out! of course Alone was going to be a flop...... people love the rock version is though to compete..... they should've release one of the new songs instead! I just laugh laugh and laugh.... Celine is still going to be great and sell a lot of records it doesn't matter if Sony promote them or not...... but SONY; lol; Sony is going down with these choices they are selecting. Doesn't affect Celine because she has already an empire built but what about the new singers, poor them!!!!

[whosarahre]

i feel like crying. i was so afraid of this happening! you are so right

[beautyroses]

Yeah I know, she postponed the baby thing for her career a few times, but she seems so enthusiastic and happy when she talks about trying to get pregnant again. So I hope that happens for her, more than anything.

And I can't imagine anyone other than Rene ever being her manager, as long as he can. She trusts him with her career and always has.

What I don't get is how in one thread you all are complaining that Celine works too hard and she needs a break, and then here you're all saying she needs to care more about her career. If she were to change record companies (I do realise that sony's lack of promotion is the problem), or even do a little more promotion herself, it's pretty much inevitable that she'd have to work even harder.

I still say she needs a break,you didn't get what I said.

If she needs a break and she needs to be with her family,it doesn't make any sense to work this hard.

Artists who even don't do shows like celine (5 days a week for five years)don't release 5 albumes in 5 years.

what I am talking about is if she wants to remain in show business she should care about what she is doing,not how much she is singing.she could release less albumes these years,enjpy more of her time and at the same time think about quality of her songs.

not only she released 5 albumes but also her albumes have too many tracks.for example "Taking chances" have 16 tracks,lets say 18 because 2 songs were in Taking chances single.it shows working hard with not great work.

I think she could end vegas in 3 years go back and have a child(at least she was 3 years younger than the time she decides to have child now)and comeback in I think one year or one years and a half with greater ideas

 

The question is, are really necessary all the dates she is doing for the world tour (especially in the US) to cover the demand? Has Céline Dion enough popularity today to be doing such a big world tour?

 

I would suggest this: less concerts, and MORE PROMOTION!! Things would be different then Because she doesn't need that many concerts, that is good for her pocket (and for René to spend the money her wife earns with her hard work ) but definetly NOT for her actual career situation

 

That why I can't stand the idea of a possible return to Vegas: if she doest that again, another nightmare of 3-5 years shut in that place, bye bye Céline!! Ok it would be grrreat to bring up her next baby, but it will KILL her career.

Excatly what I wanted to say

but I love her have to have a new baby.and new life,the only thing she needs to to a balance between two worlds,and try to analyse her situation and what she want to do,as linda said she is always over working

but I think returning to vegas again to such a demanding show will kill herself too.

I think half of amarica dates are un necessary too,but if they really promote it in a good way,I hope it bring her luck

Edited May 15, 2008 at 02:40 PM by beautyroses

[Black Kitten]

if celine will do another "A New Day", it will be the end of her.

[beautyroses]

how many shows she has sold out in tour?does anybody know?