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[LukeD]

Shamrock_1982, on 03 February 2024 - 04:18 AM, said:

If she can be on her feet in heels most of the night dancing away to a concert, I think she can walk a red carpet!

Right! Because this is exactly how SPS works! Doctors describe it as unpredictable because they probably never saw their patients dance!

Edited by LukeD, 03 February 2024 - 11:43 AM.

[incognito]

Celine didn’t care for award red carpets even when she was well. I remember some sort of announcement or discussion around 2013 that while she may attend events she wouldn’t be doing many red carpets.

Edit: I looked it up and it was even further back to like 2007. She was sick of insipid questions. 😂

Edited by incognito, 03 February 2024 - 11:48 AM.

[Nmj]

incognito, on 03 February 2024 - 11:47 AM, said:

Celine didn’t care for award red carpets even when she was well. I remember some sort of announcement or discussion around 2013 that while she may attend events she wouldn’t be doing many red carpets.

Edit: I looked it up and it was even further back to like 2007. She was sick of insipid questions. 😂

This is besides the point anyhow but I think she preferred them more after her fashion era began.

[DaddysGirl21A]

Nmj, on 02 February 2024 - 03:24 PM, said:

I agree with you but also see Shamrocks point… I’m not expecting anything, I don’t think she’ll attend either…
However, if she was able to attend a loud Katy Perry concert, I’m sure had SHE wanted she could attend the Grammys, especially if she’s having a good stretch in her illness. However, I’m in the camp like what CelineDivo said, I don’t think she’ll attend because there’s simply no point right now…. Why show up if isn’t ready to speak on her condition yet when we know there’s a documentary in the pipeline that would give her lots of press opportunities to not only speak but promote her project. Right now doesn’t make sense, I could see her at Weekends with Adele before this.

I totally agree. If she is feeling up to it then great. If not, there is no point in her pushing herself right now. Why talk about her illness when she knows the special is coming out? And you know if she goes out the press will be asking about the SPS.

[DaddysGirl21A]

incognito, on 03 February 2024 - 11:47 AM, said:

Celine didn't care for award red carpets even when she was well. I remember some sort of announcement or discussion around 2013 that while she may attend events she wouldn't be doing many red carpets.

Edit: I looked it up and it was even further back to like 2007. She was sick of insipid questions. ��

That's funny. I never knew that.

[Shamrock_1982]

This section is very quiet right now… funny that!

[Peppercorn1991]

Shamrock_1982, on 05 February 2024 - 12:12 AM, said:

This section is very quiet right now… funny that!

You were so right!  

Kev x

[scielle]

I wonder how much presence her kids have in this doc.
RC has obviously been there for her at the important moments, and he has generally been so much more visible in the media. It seems by comparison, Celine has chosen to keep the twins more sheltered than RC had been at their age. I wonder if that's by design, or whether it's just happenstance (and obviously last few years in lockdown/ dealing with SPS).
Irene has put her family front and center in two of her most successful films - including one focused on her deaf son. She hasn't shied away from featuring her family. I wonder if she/ Celine felt comfortable doing that for this project, too.

[catlovergirl1982]

DaddysGirl21A, on 31 January 2024 - 04:21 PM, said:

This is exactly what I was trying to tell my friend last night. It's like Celine does what she can and gives us an inch and people expect a mile. She has a eventually fatal condition that is not gonna just go away because we want her back. I admire and understand that she wants to come back but that doesn't mean it's gonna happen. Celine can't control how her body reacts to the illness even if she wants to come back with every fiber of her being. People need to calm down and be real about what they expect to happen. It's no about faith in Celine at all! I love her with all my heart. It's about being reasonable about the sevarity of the illness. it's a malfunction in her brain and she has NO SAY in what she can and can't do. I have Cerebral Palsy which is simular in some ways. No matter how much I want my muscles to relax, I can't just make it happen. I would love to be able to walk, but because of my illness, it just is not going to happen. My back has been locked up for days and even with pain meds and muscle relaxers I can not even lean forward to reach for something. I just have to let my caregivers help and admit I can't do it. So I can relate to having muscles you can't control even after treatment.

YES EXACTLY! It is great to see that there are some fans who are still understanding & are living in reality. & As somebody also going through a disability with physical health issues causing limitations, just like what Celine is currently dealing with. & Some fans are having such a DIFFICULT TIME facing the reality that this disorder is NOT SOMETHING that will just "disappear on its own" & "DaddysGirl" with you having Cerebral Palsy, I think you do understand about that yourself, as just like with SPS, Cerebral Palsy is also a progressive & Neurological disorder that also has NO CURES! &

Yes I do know people who have dealt with  Cerebral Palsy, growing up I was friends with a couple of kids who also suffered with Cerebral Palsy, & I know how sometimes VERY DIFFICULT how things could be for them, & so I always tried to help my very best with them (as my parents have always taught me to help others, & I have grown up with 2 family members with severe Autism, so I have been used to being around people with disabilities, & I also helped taken care of my Autistic family members growing up as well, so I'm used to helping and taking care of others.) So I know it can be uncontrollable as well dealing with Cerebral Palsy & with Autism. & in Celine's case, she is most likely going through the same thing with her muscle spasms that can't always be controlled either, & she can not control when a muscle spasms can happen, so she has to be so careful with everything.

As far as with some of these fans, yes I can understand the difficulty it can be with accepting Celine's current health battles, & yes I do wish & hope that she would be able to do concerts again so that I could finally see her in person instead of just clips from YouTube videos recorded by fans at previous shows. But... at the same time, we all NEED TO BE REALISTIC when it comes to the fact that, Celine just MIGHT NOT ever be able to perform concerts, massive tours, massive Vegas residencies, etc like she used to! We don't even know how her singing ability is! Maybe the reason she had cancelled all of her shows during the past few years have been not because of just walking, or standing issues, but maybe because she might be having problems with her voice for all we know. Hopefully during the upcoming documentary we will find out what is going on with her health, hopefully we will see what exactly is effecting her to have caused her to cancel all of her Courage World Tour concerts & the Vegas residency at Resorts World, & everything else that happened at this point with her health.

But we might have to face the harsh truth that doing the one-off appearances that she has been doing recently, such as the Grammy's last night, & the appearances from last fall, just might be THE NORM for Celine from now on. & I do hope that we will continue to have those appearances from her sometimes & that her health will keep allowing her to do that. But to expect SOOOO MUCH FROM HER, to keep expecting her to do tours, residencies, 2-hours concerts, etc just like she used to, might be just asking for too much, & some fans just don't want to hear that! Like you said, Celine gives us a few inches, some fans just want MILES & MILES from her, instead of just being HAPPY with the appearances we are getting, because that just might be the norm from her! I just hope that she will not suffer too much or be in too much pain, where she can at least enjoy life & get outside of her house. Even if she can not sing or do live concerts, hopefully she can still do small appearances, record a few songs if she is able to sing, or even be a on a few talk shows/do interviews. & Most of all, be able to enjoy the rest of her life with her boys, family, & friends.

Edited by catlovergirl1982, 06 February 2024 - 12:00 AM.

[stevo]

Do you realise that no-one reads these insufferable babbling essays of nonsense that you continue to pollute each thread with?

Have you ever heard of the word ‘concise’??

[Remon]

Can someone tell me where you can block or hide somebody’s messages?

[Shamrock_1982]

I could be wrong, but I have a feeling the first trailer/release date for this documentary could air during the Super Bowl this weekend.

[scielle]

Shamrock_1982, on 06 February 2024 - 09:38 AM, said:

I could be wrong, but I have a feeling the first trailer/release date for this documentary could air during the Super Bowl this weekend.

I dunno...
"There will be some no-shows from the major studios. Warner Bros., Sony, Netflix and Amazon are not expected to run any trailers despite all having a slew of upcoming tentpoles on the calendar. However, plans could always change before the main matchup."
https://variety.com/...l-3-1235898197/

[Nmj]

scielle, on 05 February 2024 - 03:00 PM, said:

I wonder how much presence her kids have in this doc.
RC has obviously been there for her at the important moments, and he has generally been so much more visible in the media. It seems by comparison, Celine has chosen to keep the twins more sheltered than RC had been at their age. I wonder if that's by design, or whether it's just happenstance (and obviously last few years in lockdown/ dealing with SPS).
Irene has put her family front and center in two of her most successful films - including one focused on her deaf son. She hasn't shied away from featuring her family. I wonder if she/ Celine felt comfortable doing that for this project, too.

I just think because Rene was there for bulk of the years that we saw more of RC. And Rene gave more footage, dvds, it was definitely more of the “open book” feel when he was around. Part of me wonders, that if things were different, and had he been alive and well during this heartbreaking SPS diagnosis, how he would have handled it. He seemed like a great husband and father but we all know he never really could turn off the manager light bulb. It seemed like her 2 year hiatus from music in 2000 was harder for him than her.

[scielle]

Nmj, on 06 February 2024 - 10:01 AM, said:

I just think because Rene was there for bulk of the years that we saw more of RC. And Rene gave more footage, dvds, it was definitely more of the “open book” feel when he was around.

I think a lot of the "open book" was carefully stage managed by him. Not just the DVDs, but things like her "autobiography", too. I know every celebrity works with a ghost-writer, but I feel like there was more Georges-Hébert Germain and Rene in that book, than Celine. I just really want to hear from her. And that's what I hope we get in this doc.

[scielle]

I don't know how Amazon plans to promote this, but as a reference point, they're about to release the J-Lo film companion piece to her upcoming project on Feb 16th (This is Me... Now). I'm in the office at the moment in midtown Manhattan, overlooking Broadway, and looking out the window at a giant billboard advertising it.
So yeah, I think they will do some kind of promo for the Celine doc, and fully expect it to be more than what Sony did for Love Again (I saw nothing for that around NYC).

[Nmj]

scielle, on 06 February 2024 - 10:08 AM, said:

I think a lot of the "open book" was carefully stage managed by him. Not just the DVDs, but things like her "autobiography", too. I know every celebrity works with a ghost-writer, but I feel like there was more Georges-Hébert Germain and Rene in that book, than Celine. I just really want to hear from her. And that's what I hope we get in this doc.

No I agree with that statement, my point was just I think we saw more of RC than the twins because there was simply more projects at Rene’s direction back then. We can know  Celine doesn’t like the camera in her face as much as Rene liked it to be in her face. I think something like this SPS diagnosis is so capable of helping so many people with the illness and to bring attention to it that even Celine saw the “value” in it and not in a monetary way.

[Zofia]

The decision to film this stage of life also probably had therapeutic value: how to take control and make sense of the devastating experience of suffering, which on the surface is a complete denial of meaning. Most SPS patients say: "this diagnosis was terrible, but it brought some relief; the hardest part was the time before getting the diagnosis."  - 7 years on average, in her case probably about a year. And probably a year too long...

Speaking of RC and "open book," Josélito Michaud revealed that he would like to write a new "true biography" and generated enthusiasm among his Quebec followers (the Quebec accent has been lacking lately - biographies mostly French, a documentary film American...):

“A memorable evening. To see a benevolent, classy and elegant René-Charles walk with his mother and then watch over her is an absolutely magnificent image. The wildest rumors had them at war, and yet... He's the same age as my Antoine, 23. I'm sure his father René, up above, must have been proud of his man down here! One day, I'd love to write Céline's real biography and talk to everyone around her and spend time with her to hear the truth from her and avoid this propagation of tall tales. That's it, it's on my bucket list!”
https://www.facebook...719027979404360

[mirage]

scielle, on 06 February 2024 - 10:08 AM, said:

I think a lot of the "open book" was carefully stage managed by him. Not just the DVDs, but things like her "autobiography", too. I know every celebrity works with a ghost-writer, but I feel like there was more Georges-Hébert Germain and Rene in that book, than Celine. I just really want to hear from her. And that's what I hope we get in this doc.

Well that was the plan with first press release

"“I’ve always been an open book with my fans, and with her sensitivity and thoughtful creativity I think that Irene will be able to show everyone a part of me that they haven’t seen before… I know she’ll tell my story in the most honest and heartfelt way,â€� said Celine Dion. "

But I like the idea of a new biography by Joselito

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[tshlw]

scielle, on 06 February 2024 - 10:08 AM, said:

I think a lot of the "open book" was carefully stage managed by him. Not just the DVDs, but things like her "autobiography", too. I know every celebrity works with a ghost-writer, but I feel like there was more Georges-Hébert Germain and Rene in that book, than Celine. I just really want to hear from her. And that's what I hope we get in this doc.

I don't think that at all. I think the book was very much how she felt. To me the book was not a PR stunt and did not help her image one way or another. I don’t feel it made her image better and now people like to use it as support that he “groomed” her.

I can’t imagine Rene telling Georges to write any of that stuff back then. I so do not think Rene was as controlling as many seem to think. at least in the personal area or what she had to say once she came of age. Yes as her manager he was protective of her image as all manager should be.

Was he perfect no and contrary to what some might think neither is Celine. No one is perfect. And as Celine said herself in interview perfect is boring.

The million dollar question I have is what is it so many think she has to say that she hasn't been able to say?  

Everyone says how nice she is and so caring. She loves her family, loves Rene and the kids. I am sure there were times she was annoyed with her siblings and with Rene and the kids as we all have in our families. I doubt she will ever go into much detail about those times as those things are private.

For me only thing I see her not really having said all these years is what she felt about other artists she did not like very much. Which, I very much appreciate she never did fall into that like Mariah.

She is as open as most are ever going to be. I feel some want her to be something she isn't or projecting their own feelings on her. All stars are careful, for the most part, in what they say to the press and this makes sense. They want to keep some things private. Everyone needs to keep things just for themselves.

[tshlw]

Zofia, on 06 February 2024 - 10:56 AM, said:

The decision to film this stage of life also probably had therapeutic value: how to take control and make sense of the devastating experience of suffering, which on the surface is a complete denial of meaning. Most SPS patients say: "this diagnosis was terrible, but it brought some relief; the hardest part was the time before getting the diagnosis."  - 7 years on average, in her case probably about a year. And probably a year too long...

Speaking of RC and "open book," Josélito Michaud revealed that he would like to write a new "true biography" and generated enthusiasm among his Quebec followers (the Quebec accent has been lacking lately - biographies mostly French, a documentary film American...):

“A memorable evening. To see a benevolent, classy and elegant René-Charles walk with his mother and then watch over her is an absolutely magnificent image. The wildest rumors had them at war, and yet... He's the same age as my Antoine, 23. I'm sure his father René, up above, must have been proud of his man down here! One day, I'd love to write Céline's real biography and talk to everyone around her and spend time with her to hear the truth from her and avoid this propagation of tall tales. That's it, it's on my bucket list!”
https://www.facebook...719027979404360

So what does a 'real' biography mean even? Or does he just want to disprove all the lies told in tabloids and unauthorized bios.

Yes I know you like them but for me that means they have not verified anything with the actual people they are writing about and I am sorry to me than how can you take what is said with any truth. All it is is opinion from whoever they quoted. And what is the motivation behind the people willing to participate in an authorized bio.

Also how we perceive things changes with time as does even what we remember.

I am sure her life was not quite as rosy as she made it out to be but I really feel some here think it was all her being forced to do things she did not want and she had no say what so ever over her life. That she is in reality some dark tortured soul or something.

I have watched so many of her interviews and never found her weak or saccharine or not true to herself. She felt like someone who was much more mature and thoughtful than most her age which makes sense with growing up with so many older siblings and also being in the business so young.

For me she has always been a positive person that looks at the good and does not dwell on the bad or things we have no control over. Which is a wonderful way to live and one I wish I was better at.

[scielle]

tshlw, on 06 February 2024 - 11:09 AM, said:

Everyone says how nice she is and so caring. She loves her family, loves Rene and the kids. I am sure there were times she was annoyed with her siblings and with Rene and the kids as we all have in our families. I doubt she will ever go into much detail about those times as those things are private.

Oh for sure. I think the only glimpse we got of that was in the famous Lise Payette interview (I think that's what it was, at least). The stress of expectation from her siblings that she's going to fund everything ("the new washing machine"). And imagine what that must be like when you have that many siblings, who now have their own kids and grand kids, and she's the goose that lays the golden eggs. Not to mention all the people she employs who rely on her for their livelihoods. The stress of that must be immense.

It's been many years since I read the GHG autobiography, so I may be misremembering, but at the time of reading it, I recall feeling like I was reading an infomercial. It was too much of a hagiography.

[tshlw]

scielle, on 06 February 2024 - 11:28 AM, said:

Oh for sure. I think the only glimpse we got of that was in the famous Lise Payette interview (I think that's what it was, at least). The stress of expectation from her siblings that she's going to fund everything ("the new washing machine"). And imagine what that must be like when you have that many siblings, who now have their own kids and grand kids, and she's the goose that lays the golden eggs. Not to mention all the people she employs who rely on her for their livelihoods. The stress of that must be immense.

It's been many years since I read the GHG autobiography, so I may be misremembering, but at the time of reading it, I recall feeling like I was reading an infomercial. It was too much of a hagiography.

Yes she talked about the stress towards the end of the 90s. I think this is what takes down a lot of the stars the stress to be what every one expects of you now that you are rich and famous. I am sure there was more drama with some of the siblings we will never know and really shouldn't that is personal family stuff.

The fact she is still such a down to earth and caring person show the character she has and how well she was surround by good people who loved her and did not take advantage. How many stars can look back and not have some scandal or breakdown or something. I am very thankful to her family and Rene for being that support that other stars never got or did not get enough of. Thinking of Whitney and MJ.

I have read the book recently and it was really a young girl being in love and very focused on that as most teenagers/young woman can be. As well as her rise to fame. Sure later in life you look back at those times differently with age and maturity but for me it was what she felt and membered at that time in her life. It in no way was something a manger would put out to help their stars image.

[CelinesDIVO5]

scielle, on 06 February 2024 - 10:08 AM, said:

I think a lot of the "open book" was carefully stage managed by him. Not just the DVDs, but things like her "autobiography", too. I know every celebrity works with a ghost-writer, but I feel like there was more Georges-Hébert Germain and Rene in that book, than Celine. I just really want to hear from her. And that's what I hope we get in this doc.

We got a lot more of Celine in “For Keeps.” That’s my favorite Celine book.

[CelinesDIVO5]

scielle, on 06 February 2024 - 10:08 AM, said:

I think a lot of the "open book" was carefully stage managed by him. Not just the DVDs, but things like her "autobiography", too. I know every celebrity works with a ghost-writer, but I feel like there was more Georges-Hébert Germain and Rene in that book, than Celine. I just really want to hear from her. And that's what I hope we get in this doc.

We got a lot more of Celine in “For Keeps.” That’s my favorite Celine book.

[Zofia]

tshlw, on 06 February 2024 - 11:27 AM, said:

So what does a 'real' biography mean even? Or does he just want to disprove all the lies told in tabloids and unauthorized bios.

Yes I know you like them but for me that means they have not verified anything with the actual people they are writing about and I am sorry to me than how can you take what is said with any truth. All it is is opinion from whoever they quoted. And what is the motivation behind the people willing to participate in an authorized bio.

Slowly. First of all, I hope that "them" in the third sentence does not also refer to the tabloids of the second sentence, because that would be a nasty insinuation. In fact, among the most prominent in the history of biography, I think I find only unauthorized biographies - but by God, not all of them! Lack of authorization is no patent on excellence. Among unauthorized biographies (especially of pop culture figures), most are junk journalism. However, official biographies are extremely rare to be outstanding (understandably, for psychological reasons), but they are, of course, an important source testimony to how the figure wanted to shape his image.

I don't know where you get the idea that unauthorized biographies contain no verification. A counter-example is Pieau and Tropéa's famous book "Céline Dion: la vraie histoire," a well-documented book containing only the opinions and accounts of people who signed their names. However, I do not appreciate it because I find it too aggressive and indiscreet (sic). I prefer when the author of a biography tries to understand his protagonist rather than echoing sensationalism. But this does not mean that the protagonist has the exclusive right to interpret his own life. (Anecdote: I happened to work on an interview with a certain theater actress a couple of times; the job meant making sure she didn't completely mess up every interview during the authorization process, something she was prone to do, despite - or because of? - of her intelligence and honesty).

The fact that I don't have an unequivocally positive opinion of "René's legacy" and find the official version of the biography oversweetened and boring (perfect is boring) doesn't mean that I find Céline oppressed, or that I dream of her exhibitionistically spilling all her secrets on stage. It's exactly the opposite: I understand and respect that her being an "open book" was, in fact, always just opening the book on a selected page at a selected time. But that doesn't mean that no one is allowed to try to guess what's behind the unopened pages - as long as they do it honestly, respectfully and with some fundamental human sensitivity.

tshlw, on 06 February 2024 - 11:09 AM, said:

I feel some want her to be something she isn't or projecting their own feelings on her.

OK, but actually how can you be sure that you are not doing the projecting? I guess we're all talking about a person we don't know personally, and only have access to her life mediated through words, testimonies, accounts, or simply cultural texts. Therefore, I don't really understand where the nervousness comes from. I guess it's normal that we argue about public figures or historical facts? That we don't take anyone's messages as dogma? This is how the debate about culture differs from the functioning of religious communities (although even within them the establishment of dogma is usually preceded by a long dispute over interpretation )

Edited by Zofia, 06 February 2024 - 01:46 PM.

[scielle]

Perfectly said, thank you.

[Nmj]

Irene Taylor has reposted in her story Celine’s Grammy post…

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[tshlw]

Zofia, on 06 February 2024 - 01:44 PM, said:

Slowly. First of all, I hope that "them" in the third sentence does not also refer to the tabloids of the second sentence, because that would be a nasty insinuation. In fact, among the most prominent in the history of biography, I think I find only unauthorized biographies - but by God, not all of them! Lack of authorization is no patent on excellence. Among unauthorized biographies (especially of pop culture figures), most are junk journalism. However, official biographies are extremely rare to be outstanding (understandably, for psychological reasons), but they are, of course, an important source testimony to how the figure wanted to shape his image.

I don't know where you get the idea that unauthorized biographies contain no verification. A counter-example is Pieau and Tropéa's famous book "Céline Dion: la vraie histoire," a well-documented book containing only the opinions and accounts of people who signed their names. However, I do not appreciate it because I find it too aggressive and indiscreet (sic). I prefer when the author of a biography tries to understand his protagonist rather than echoing sensationalism. But this does not mean that the protagonist has the exclusive right to interpret his own life. (Anecdote: I happened to work on an interview with a certain theater actress a couple of times; the job meant making sure she didn't completely mess up every interview during the authorization process, something she was prone to do, despite - or because of? - of her intelligence and honesty).

I was not talking about trash tabloids. For me no matter how thoughtful an unauthorized biography is, it is still conjecture about the person you are writing about. So I didn’t mean no verification was done for those that are cited in these books. But meant verification from the person you are writing the book about. And even if someone signs their name, what was their motivation to contribute to an unauthorized book.

In the end do we ever get a true picture of any star, I would say no as they want to have a private life and keep some things to themselves. rightly so. As well as keep their image intact.

Zofia, on 06 February 2024 - 01:44 PM, said:

The fact that I don't have an unequivocally positive opinion of "René's legacy" and find the official version of the biography oversweetened and boring (perfect is boring) doesn't mean that I find Céline oppressed, or that I dream of her exhibitionistically spilling all her secrets on stage. It's exactly the opposite: I understand and respect that her being an "open book" was, in fact, always just opening the book on a selected page at a selected time. But that doesn't mean that no one is allowed to try to guess what's behind the unopened pages - as long as they do it honestly, respectfully and with some fundamental human sensitivity.

At times her life looked oversweet but I do not think it was all that far off either. She worked hard and I would say even too hard at times but that is also pressure and discipline she put on herself as much as Rene and others did. Why I think as the years went by she realized she did not need to give so much of herself to the job. But again that comes with age and maturity

I also understand you don't have the same opinion of "Rene's legacy". It’s nice we can have a well thought out discussion on these things. For me, I am thankful he was the one to be there for her, as she was someone, I could so easily have seen in the early years being taken advantage of. To have someone there that wanted the best for you and made sure those around you did too was so important. That does not seem very common in the recording industry, especially 20 to 30 years ago.

Zofia, on 06 February 2024 - 01:44 PM, said:

OK, but actually how can you be sure that you are not doing the projecting? I guess we're all talking about a person we don't know personally, and only have access to her life mediated through words, testimonies, accounts, or simply cultural texts. Therefore, I don't really understand where the nervousness comes from. I guess it's normal that we argue about public figures or historical facts? That we don't take anyone's messages as dogma? This is how the debate about culture differs from the functioning of religious communities (although even within them the establishment of dogma is usually preceded by a long dispute over interpretation file:///C:/Users/tshlw/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.gif )

I can't and I am sure I do project to a degree. I think we all do based on what we most like or find most fascinating about her. It just seems so many say I want to hear what she really feels. Like everything she has said in the past was not her own words or choice or something.

We all look back with more maturity and wisdom and see things differently then we did 20 years ago but it does not discount that at the time it was how we felt.

All our individual life experiences shape how we see Celine or how we perceive the things she has or hasn’t said or done.

For me Celine has always been caring, thoughtful and down to earth and did not have some huge secret she was hiding. Someone who was very strong and not prone to fall apart easily. Being from such a huge family that were so much older it makes sense she was more mature in ways for her age.

We may or may not get the answers we are all seeking from this documentary, time will tell. But I think we can all agree we are happy she is doing so well and hope for her sake she can get back on stage to perform.

[chocolatechip15]

scielle, on 06 February 2024 - 11:28 AM, said:

It's been many years since I read the GHG autobiography, so I may be misremembering, but at the time of reading it, I recall feeling like I was reading an infomercial. It was too much of a hagiography.

The first GHG biography had an absurdly infomercial tone,  I agree - though there was actually a lot of interesting content under all the PR fluff. It goes into more detail about the early lives of both Celine and Rene then any other source I’m aware of, and also had a tremendous amount of detail about the life on tour during the FIY tour. Honestly, I think it needed way more editing to be a book that flowed well, but as a massive Celine fan, I like having all that detail.

The second GHG biography, My Story, My Dream, is written in Celine’s voice, and it sounds much more like her. I’m sure it’s carefully curated the way that most of her public stuff is, but there’s still a lot in it that seemed really genuine. I thought she came off a little sheltered and naïve in parts of that book, but at that point in her life (2000), I think that’s part of who she was. Anyway, MSMD is my favorite of the biographies because it’s in her voice, and at its heart, it’s the love story of Celine and Rene.