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[mike_z]

SYS is boring guys.... it has a good hook and melody but it lacks a bridge and some kind of change in the ending, it's just a copy/paste thing it sounds like a demo.


On the contrary, SLS is pure gold

[stone]

mike_z, on 23 May 2014 - 09:58 AM, said:

SYS is boring guys.... it has a good hook and melody but it lacks a bridge and some kind of change in the ending, it's just a copy/paste thing it sounds like a demo.


On the contrary, SLS is pure gold

One hundred percent agreed. It really does sound like a demo. At best, 70% finished, so repetitive and basic. verse, chorus, verse, same chorus, then the exact chorus just repeats itself at the end. Boggles me how people think this is like even good. It's so demo'y

[CSCfan]

mike_z, on 23 May 2014 - 09:58 AM, said:

SYS is boring guys.... it has a good hook and melody but it lacks a bridge and some kind of change in the ending, it's just a copy/paste thing it sounds like a demo.

Entirely subjective

[mike_z]

CSCfan, on 23 May 2014 - 12:41 PM, said:

Entirely subjective

Well, that depends.

From the modern songwriting's point of view a song without a bridge or "C part" is almost incomplete.

"A common format would be as listed: Verse, Pre-Chorus, Chorus, Verse, Pre-Chorus, Chorus, Bridge (Middle Eight), Verse, Chorus."
http://en.wikipedia...._(popular_music)


The bridge could often be referred as the "climax" of the song.

Examples:

"If you see me coming, look away, look away" (WAAF)
"You saw through the pain, you saw through the mask, you never gave up on me" (LMBTL)
"Oh, anything is better than this..." (Breakaway)
"Now you're lying in my bed beside me..." (DKL)
"Some people live their lives..." (SLS)
"And I caught rainbows falling down..." (Thankful)

Surprisingly, another song that has no bridge is INCREDIBLE. Haven't we all seen many people describing it as "repetitive" or "boring"? even though the chorus is great.

A bad structure could actually kill a song with a good hook as much as bad production. Same with the last chorus, it should bring something new to the table. Sometimes a key change, or ad libs, or a collision.

Objectively, SYS doesn't have a bridge and the last chorus sounds exactly the same as each of the previous ones.

[Cuquito]

I agree with you, but for me Incredible is muuuuch  more boring than SYS.

[zuv]

So true Mike-z!

They should have thought of that. I guess the bridge for SYS was the rap on the venyl edition. It was too "risqué" lol so they took it off and now its more plain... They should drop a bombshell like beyonce did, and release SYS music video with the rap version.

[mike_z]

zuv, on 23 May 2014 - 04:26 PM, said:

So true Mike-z!

They should have thought of that. I guess the bridge for SYS was the rap on the venyl edition. It was too "risqué" lol so they took it off and now its more plain... They should drop a bombshell like beyonce did, and release SYS music video with the rap version.

Oh we got some many "clin d'oeils" to Unison with this album! the cover... the harmonies on SLS, the rap in SYS...

[mebe]

mike_z, on 23 May 2014 - 09:58 AM, said:

SYS is boring guys.... it has a good hook and melody but it lacks a bridge and some kind of change in the ending, it's just a copy/paste thing it sounds like a demo.


On the contrary, SLS is pure gold

It is your opinion...I don't find it boring..I love both songs!

[stone]

It's not an opinion. Musically and technically these are facts. But you have the freedom to love the song from an ear point of view, but with music comprehension, it's beyond basic and the structure is amature, and the fact that it just loops itself, ummm yeaaah.

[chrischn_celine]

Good morning from the sunny Germany (at the moment :-)

I followed your postings in the last few days and I have to say that Somebody loves Somebody is a really huge pearl of the album. I liked it from the first day on and even today I'm still listening to it.

At the weekends when I'm partying with friends, I always take my USB-Stick with me with that song to get it played and everybody loves this song. It has so much power a makes people dancing. It's really a shame that Sony lost his view of putting treasures out of Celines albums or not to promote them like they derserve.

Anyway... I make my own promotion and people recognize that song with very positive feedbacks and I enjoy this.

SOMEBODY LOVES SOMEBOOODYYYYYYY
OHHHH OH OH OHHHH OOOHOOOHHHOOO

Nice weekend to everyone...

[CSCfan]

mike_z, on 23 May 2014 - 03:11 PM, said:

Well, that depends.

From the modern songwriting's point of view a song without a bridge or "C part" is almost incomplete.

"A common format would be as listed: Verse, Pre-Chorus, Chorus, Verse, Pre-Chorus, Chorus, Bridge (Middle Eight), Verse, Chorus."
http://en.wikipedia...._(popular_music)


The bridge could often be referred as the "climax" of the song.

Examples:

"If you see me coming, look away, look away" (WAAF)
"You saw through the pain, you saw through the mask, you never gave up on me" (LMBTL)
"Oh, anything is better than this..." (Breakaway)
"Now you're lying in my bed beside me..." (DKL)
"Some people live their lives..." (SLS)
"And I caught rainbows falling down..." (Thankful)

Surprisingly, another song that has no bridge is INCREDIBLE. Haven't we all seen many people describing it as "repetitive" or "boring"? even though the chorus is great.

A bad structure could actually kill a song with a good hook as much as bad production. Same with the last chorus, it should bring something new to the table. Sometimes a key change, or ad libs, or a collision.

Objectively, SYS doesn't have a bridge and the last chorus sounds exactly the same as each of the previous ones.

It says COMMON, it doesn't say, "perfect" or "best way". Quite a difference there..

stone, on 23 May 2014 - 10:59 PM, said:

It's not an opinion. Musically and technically these are facts. But you have the freedom to love the song from an ear point of view, but with music comprehension, it's beyond basic and the structure is amature, and the fact that it just loops itself, ummm yeaaah.

Yes, "technically" that may very well be, but IMO music is first and foremost EMOTION. If a song is comprised of 10 choruses or no bridges, if you love the song, thát's what matters. So yes "boring" is a subjective opinion. If a song is technically as perfect as can be and I don't like it, then it can still be boring. And I haven't begun talking about taste yet (also subjective!).......

Edited by CSCfan, 24 May 2014 - 06:05 AM.

[Del]

stone, on 23 May 2014 - 11:29 AM, said:

One hundred percent agreed. It really does sound like a demo. At best, 70% finished, so repetitive and basic. verse, chorus, verse, same chorus, then the exact chorus just repeats itself at the end. Boggles me how people think this is like even good. It's so demo'y

I do find myself skipping this song from time to time.  I do find it dull, however I enjoy listening to the version with the rap part in it.  They really should have just included it as part of the album (not just vinyl edition).  I find it completes the song.

[mike_z]

Del, on 24 May 2014 - 08:12 AM, said:

I do find myself skipping this song from time to time.  I do find it dull, however I enjoy listening to the version with the rap part in it.  They really should have just included it as part of the album (not just vinyl edition).  I find it completes the song.

I agree. And I have to say it again.. I find the choruses of INCREDIBLE and SYS great! I mean both songs have great melodies. And that's what brings us to the question of why so many people find them boring, despite being distinctive... and that's the structure that's failing. "Incredible" from the production's point of view was resolved in a better way (with transitions and things like that) while SYS... well I dunno... they even could have added some ad libs over the last chorus... + the rap... that would have completed the song! And I'm not talking from a subjective point of view.

If that was the case... I could say objectively that ABYG is a well written song. While subjectively it really annoys me and I have to skip it everytime.

I do listen to "Incredible" and even SYS (and enjoy them) even knowing those songs could have been a lot more.

[SuperLove4Celine]

stone, on 23 May 2014 - 10:59 PM, said:

It's not an opinion. Musically and technically these are facts. But you have the freedom to love the song from an ear point of view, but with music comprehension, it's beyond basic and the structure is amature, and the fact that it just loops itself, ummm yeaaah.

Musical Pretentiousness, your table is ready.

[mike_z]

Back to the topic, SLS is awesome!!! And it's nice to see it become a fan-favorite after 6 months!

Now we got the trinity of uplifting uptempo songs: TTWII - I'm Alive - SLS

[mebe]

stone, on 23 May 2014 - 10:59 PM, said:

It's not an opinion. Musically and technically these are facts. But you have the freedom to love the song from an ear point of view, but with music comprehension, it's beyond basic and the structure is amature, and the fact that it just loops itself, ummm yeaaah.

When someone says it is boring...it is an opinion! And i respect it.  That's was I was commenting about!

Edited by mebe, 24 May 2014 - 10:13 AM.

[DionFanAlways]

I am blasting this song as I type! It is just so good! I really wish they would try to release it, maybe they are just afraid? Pity!

[mike_z]

DionFanAlways, on 24 May 2014 - 10:47 AM, said:

I am blasting this song as I type! It is just so good! I really wish they would try to release it, maybe they are just afraid? Pity!

it even made it to Perez Hilton and many other websites! The reception was awesome!

The thing is... we could actually say it was some sort of "buzz" single for LMBTL!

[woodstock]

No matter what the supposed rules say. I love "Save your Soul" because it is a catchy song, well...a good song in fact. There are so many boring songs on the album that this one is fresh even if it sounds more like a 90's song. Well, I love this kind of little songs with good a good chorus.
I just think the song could have been a little shorter.

[Timster]

I really like SYS, but agree with some of the others that it could have done with a bridge or something to spice it up a bit. It has a 'Maroon 5' feel to it and I like Celine singing in this style.

[Kyle_Jared]

Somebody Loves Somebody screams to be released this Summer.  Perfect hook.  And would sound so good on summer concert series like TODAY or GMA.  

I sincerely hope she performs it in Vegas this "Summer"  and then have the album stocked in the Gift shop.

I know the chances are slim; but how sweet would a video/single for this be in July or August

[SuperLove4Celine]

I know the era of CD-singles is pretty much over.  However, if a set of CD-singles were to be released to Europe for this song, this is how I would do it:

Somebody Loves Somebody [CD1 - Standard Edition]
1. Somebody Loves Somebody
2. Somebody Loves Somebody (Instrumental)

Somebody Loves Somebody [CD2 - Deluxe Edition]
1. Somebody Loves Somebody
2. Super Love
3. Somebody Loves Somebody (Instrumental)
4. Somebody Loves Somebody (Remix)

I included "Super Love" because its message has similarities to that of "Somebody Loves Somebody."  Plus, it's a fun, uptempo number that pairs well with "Somebody Loves Somebody."

Edited by SuperLove4Celine, 24 May 2014 - 12:04 PM.

[stone]

SuperLove4Celine, on 24 May 2014 - 09:25 AM, said:

Musical Pretentiousness, your table is ready.

Bahahaha yeah I just reread my post (written after a long happy hour of margaritas and bourbon), it was a little on the snob side. Gotta remain neutrally nice and thoughtful on this forum! No ones wants to be ostracized like Karebear lol #oops

[Hilda]

Timster, on 24 May 2014 - 11:49 AM, said:

I really like SYS, but agree with some of the others that it could have done with a bridge or something to spice it up a bit. It has a 'Maroon 5' feel to it and I like Celine singing in this style.

i STILL absolutely love this friiiikin song and at the moment i have great joy in listening to a song from mariahs new album and then flicking this on or lmbtl straight after and it being 10,000 times better haha.

Edited by Hilda, 26 May 2014 - 12:49 PM.

[rael1983]

This song has so much potential...!!! I hope Sony will realize it and make it the single for the summer.

[CelineDionFreak]

I'm sure I'm not the only one to think this, but it would be nice to hear it once in the original key. I know sometimes for her to sing stuff live it needs to be lowered. But I'd love to hear the big "somebody" 's in the last chorus sung live!

[LukeD]

I'm still listening to this song once in a while and I still prefer its verses to the chorus...!

[CelinesDIVO5]

I had the most vivid dream last night...and in part of it, I heard "Somebody Loves Somebody" on one of New York's most popular radio stations, and it was an AMAZING radio remix of the song. I even whipped my phone out in my dream and came on here to tell everyone about it...but alas, I woke up lol..dammit.

[JesusZuñigaR]

https://www.change.o...ideo?lang=en-US

[Prima_Donna1]

This song is still awesome to this day. I love SYS.