Grammys 2015

[Shaun]

I think *something* has happened in the USA. I don't know if it's the pay for promotion thing, I don't know if it's Vegas. But it's clear *something* has happened in the USA for Celine over the past 10 years. She's clearly been "blacklisted" of some sort.

 

Basically since "A New Day Has Come" - which had widespread radio support - radio have all but stopped playing her. She's tried everything from ballads, up tempo, covers and duets and nothing has worked. Radio and (music) TV in the USA have just dropped her. Of course Celine's albums remain moderately successful but I don't think it's any coincidence that since 2002 - and the lack of radio / TV support - every Celine album has been less successful than the last with the culmination of course of the relatively disastrous sales of "Loved Me Back To Life" in the USA.

 

I think remains respected in the USA for her singing talent but even the Grammy's (made up of industry insiders who you'd expect to respect Celine) have also ignored her for years. It's honestly hard to pinpoint what's happened but I think clearly something has happened perhaps "behind the scenes" in the USA over the past 10 years or so.

[CelineDionForeverNY]

I don't think anything strange or different has happened. It's just the way the world changes. The new generation is more interested in the new music that comes out now. Music progresses from generation to generation, when you look at the change from the 50's to the current era. Now, there are new artists and new styles of music that have emerged that is just more catchy and cool that's just geared towards a younger audience. Edited December 7, 2014 at 12:32 AM by CelineDionForeverNY

[chocolatechip15]

From one of the specials to promote TCOML:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOLwPzs6uuE

 

TPOL on the couch has to be one of the worst playback errors of her career . she's several words behind. . . but no one in the audience seemed to care! They all love her so much!

 

My favorite moment is when Rene comes out during TCOML, and then starts to take a step back as though he's not sure Celine wants him there while she's singing. . .and she holds out her hand to him. :wub: Love them so much! Can't believe their 20th anniversary is coming up!

[SuperLove4Celine]

The Grammy Awards aren't voted by fans. NARAS is the organization that hands out the awards. They are comprised of music industry professionals. To be eligible to vote, members must have worked on (I think it was) eight recordings for the eligibility year. Eligible members vote for the first round for nominations and in the second round of voting for the winners. And NARAS has over 10,000 members.

 

So really, it was industry professionals to have failed to nominate Celine. This statement says a lot. They loved her then but not now. Makes you think why.

I think *something* has happened in the USA. I don't know if it's the pay for promotion thing, I don't know if it's Vegas. But it's clear *something* has happened in the USA for Celine over the past 10 years. She's clearly been "blacklisted" of some sort.

 

Basically since "A New Day Has Come" - which had widespread radio support - radio have all but stopped playing her. She's tried everything from ballads, up tempo, covers and duets and nothing has worked. Radio and (music) TV in the USA have just dropped her. Of course Celine's albums remain moderately successful but I don't think it's any coincidence that since 2002 - and the lack of radio / TV support - every Celine album has been less successful than the last with the culmination of course of the relatively disastrous sales of "Loved Me Back To Life" in the USA.

 

I think remains respected in the USA for her singing talent but even the Grammy's (made up of industry insiders who you'd expect to respect Celine) have also ignored her for years. It's honestly hard to pinpoint what's happened but I think clearly something has happened perhaps "behind the scenes" in the USA over the past 10 years or so.

 

It's looking like the years of saying, "I don't care about awards and accolades," have finally done something here in the U.S. Honestly, if I was on the voting team and I kept hearing an artist say they don't care about the award I'd be voting on, I'd be hard-pressed to want to vote for them. Especially if I was torn between them and another artist/artist's work.

[PriscillaBarragan]

I feel like the older the artist gets, the more they're "blacklisted" from things like this and it's quite disappointing.

I do see some artists who've been around for a while on the list of nominations as well though so I don't know.

[celinesounds]

the only duet that will work will be with madonna

 

i'd love that, with a great live performance opening something

 

maybe she needs to go to some private partys with others celebs

Edited December 7, 2014 at 03:33 PM by celinesounds

[Jessyka]

maybe she will win for legend award

 

I bet she will eventually.

[Peppercorn1991]

 

 

 

It's looking like the years of saying, "I don't care about awards and accolades," have finally done something here in the U.S. Honestly, if I was on the voting team and I kept hearing an artist say they don't care about the award I'd be voting on, I'd be hard-pressed to want to vote for them. Especially if I was torn between them and another artist/artist's work.

 

I think celine just says that..... She knows she isnt winning and it's an easy was of brushing it off

 

Kev x

[SuperLove4Celine]

I think celine just says that..... She knows she isnt winning and it's an easy was of brushing it off

 

Kev x

 

I suppose that could be it, but it's doubtful. I honestly think Celine just doesn't care about awards. It's only the fans and, to some degree, Sony, who do. Since Celine and camp aren't willing to play the game anymore, there are consequences which have come from those choices. Granted, they are consequences Celine and Rene probably don't give a crud about, but with every choice there are positive and negative reactions in life. Don't care about awards? Pros: Less stress, no need to work as hard to get said awards, more time with family. Cons: Lack of said awards, possible lack of award ceremony invites, lack of exposure to new projects, potential to look arrogant and full of one's self.

[Xpresso]

The ones who are full of themselves are the ones trying really hard to get those awards....

[Jessyka]

I think she doesn't care about awards anymore too.

[SuperLove4Celine]

The ones who are full of themselves are the ones trying really hard to get those awards....

 

I agree...to an extent. Sometimes, awards can be very validating to a person for all the hard work they've done to try and "make it". However, when it becomes all that consumes a person/group, that is when things can become troubling.

 

Now just to get back to Celine for a moment...when she constantly makes comments or insinuations about not caring about awards, etc., it could come across as ungrateful to those in the industry who either look up to her or who have supported her. It would be one thing if she were to release albums full of songs that only she wrote herself, but when an artist is also creating a project which has many collaborators (i.e. songwriters, engineers, etc.) who could be looking to her to help continue carry on their labors of love (i.e. song lyrics, musical arrangements, photo shoots, package design, et al.) once the album releases, I could understand how some (i.e. Ne-Yo) could initially view Celine as arrogant and/or hard to approach if she isn't going to give much respect to those involved in the projects after she has done some of her portion of work by stating she doesn't care what happens afterwards.

Edited December 8, 2014 at 11:55 PM by SuperLove4Celine

[québecflower]

I agree...to an extent. Sometimes, awards can be very validating to a person for all the hard work they've done to try and "make it". However, when it becomes all that consumes a person/group, that is when things can become troubling.

 

Now just to get back to Celine for a moment...when she constantly makes comments or insinuations about not caring about awards, etc., it could come across as ungrateful to those in the industry who either look up to her or who have supported her. It would be one thing if she were to release albums full of songs that only she wrote herself, but when an artist is also creating a project which has many collaborators (i.e. songwriters, engineers, etc.) who could be looking to her to help continue carry on their labors of love (i.e. song lyrics, musical arrangements, photo shoots, package design, et al.) once the album releases, I could understand how some (i.e. Ne-Yo) could initially view Celine as arrogant and/or hard to approach if she isn't going to give much respect to those involved in the projects after she has done some of her portion of work by stating she doesn't care what happens afterwards.

 

it is not new with her, so they know what to expect when they work with her. Having a song on a Celine dion CD is a big thing for the people i would guess. Something to put in your cv...they must be proud. Ne-Yo have said that Celine was great to work with, that she has no Ego. That it was frascinating and rare. Never heard a negative thing from someone working with Celine, in all those years.

[DionFanAlways]

I kind of think she has passed the torch on these type of accolades! It's hard to tell what she really thinks because, of course, she will never say anything about it. I will say though that her twitter sure did push the CBC Music Awards vote. Maybe because it's Canadian, who knows?

Sometimes I think it's the fans that can't accept the fact that these accolades are few and far between now. Yes, I am one of those fans sometimes however I am letting that go slowly but surely. It just puzzles me because she's still got "it!" At least I will enjoy her music and Vegas for as long as she wishes to contribute.

[chocolatechip15]

Now just to get back to Celine for a moment...when she constantly makes comments or insinuations about not caring about awards, etc., it could come across as ungrateful to those in the industry who either look up to her or who have supported her. It would be one thing if she were to release albums full of songs that only she wrote herself, but when an artist is also creating a project which has many collaborators (i.e. songwriters, engineers, etc.) who could be looking to her to help continue carry on their labors of love (i.e. song lyrics, musical arrangements, photo shoots, package design, et al.) once the album releases, I could understand how some (i.e. Ne-Yo) could initially view Celine as arrogant and/or hard to approach if she isn't going to give much respect to those involved in the projects after she has done some of her portion of work by stating she doesn't care what happens afterwards.

 

I think that, with Celine, it's quite the opposite -- she's always super-respectful to collaborators, and very quick to give them credit. In fact, what she's said for years and years is that she doesn't do show business to win awards -- and the only reason she cares about winning is that she likes the opportunity to get on stage and publicly thank people who "work in the shadows"

 

This is nothing new -- she's been saying she doesn't care much about awards since at least the mid-90s, when she was winning major awards right and left. She says it, for instance, in the below Intimate Portrait recorded during the FIY tour (quote starts at 37:25). She says she's going to give the best of herself regardless, and she knows whether what she did is good or not . . . I think it's very in keeping with her image to say that she's not doing this for external things like awards or money.

 

[CelinesDIVO5]

She always rebuts the fact that she doesn't care about awards with the fact that she's grateful to have already had so much success and how blessed she is with everything that has happened in her life and career. She never just says "I don't care about awards" without something classy to back it up with. Edited December 9, 2014 at 05:34 AM by CelinesDIVO5

[isurrender]

The Grammy Awards aren't voted by fans. NARAS is the organization that hands out the awards. They are comprised of music industry professionals. To be eligible to vote, members must have worked on (I think it was) eight recordings for the eligibility year. Eligible members vote for the first round for nominations and in the second round of voting for the winners. And NARAS has over 10,000 members.

 

So really, it was industry professionals to have failed to nominate Celine. This statement says a lot. They loved her then but not now. Makes you think why.

 

Personnally, it doesn't make me think why.

 

I don't remember having seen a flop artist/album/song win anything...

 

Members just follow the flow, that's it. They have to do a show. They only embrace what has been commercially successfull...and let's face it: it was the same when Céline won.

 

Success doesn't mean quality. They should leave this for the "Bilboard Awards".

 

Just to compare: that's the exact opposite with "Les Victoires de la Musique" ( the "french Grammy"). Those who are nominated and win are the ones who are not mainstream. They have often been criticized for not being "popular". Last year, when Céline was nominated, there was a bunch of articles wondering why she was among more inde artists...

[DionFanAlways]

I don't remember having seen a flop artist/album/song win anything...

Yes you are correct. I think we lost what the Grammy's were about in this debate about awards. It's about honoring those in the music industry for that year, correct?

 

And let's face it, here in the States, LMBTL bombed .... So I fully understand.

[isurrender]

Yes you are correct. I think we lost what the Grammy's were about in this debate about awards. It's about honoring those in the music industry for that year, correct?

 

And let's face it, here in the States, LMBTL bombed .... So I fully understand.

 

I think you're wrong. And the Academy has turned its back for a few years (without talking about Céline especially). The Grammy Awards are NOT the Billboard Awards which reward the best chart achievements.

 

And this is on their own website :

 

The GRAMMYs are the only peer-presented award to honor artistic achievement, technical proficiency and overall excellence in the recording industry, without regard to album sales or chart position.

 

I'm really sorry but these nominations really mean that Miley Cyrus has levelled up the pop music industry? To me, they encourage the fall of the industry. "Wrecking ball" was one of the best pop songs of the year but the album was plain and what about "Shake it off" as record of the year! Are they serious? By doing so , they encourage the mediocricity and the way people consume music nowadays. And then they complain that the industry is going down...

[Xpresso]

The Grammy Awards care more about how many people watch the show than that actual awards themselves.

That's why the "hot" artists get the nominations and perform on the show... meanwhile the TV network can make a load of money with the advertising shown during the show... $$$$ .... and what they want most is the younger demographics...

That's why Miley is there!

[CelineDionFreak]

The Grammy Awards care more about how many people watch the show than that actual awards themselves.

That's why the "hot" artists get the nominations and perform on the show... meanwhile the TV network can make a load of money with the advertising shown during the show... $$$$ .... and what they want most is the younger demographics...

That's why Miley is there!

Thank you! The fact that the song "Bang Bang" made it (btw I hate that song) and that say LMBTL shows the demographic.

[DionFanAlways]

 

 

I think you're wrong. And the Academy has turned its back for a few years (without talking about Céline especially). The Grammy Awards are NOT the Billboard Awards which reward the best chart achievements.

 

And this is on their own website

No I understand what you are saying however you can't tell me that if LMBTL would have done well (and I'm only talking about in the States) then we would not be having this debate.

It would have been, 'oh Celine is back' 'comeback album' ect ect.....

Edited December 9, 2014 at 02:27 PM by DionFanAlways

[marc-02]

Ever since Celine returned in 2002... she's tried to adapt to the changing music landscape and modernize... the first singles of each of her last albums indicated this attempt...

 

From 2003 with IDAN, she tried sounding dance/club-ish... then in 2007, she tried sounding alternative/rock-ish with Taking Chances... then with LMBTL, she went as far as sounding Rihanna-ish/EDM-ish...

 

So its really not accurate to say that people are just not digging her, simply because of her brand of music (i.e. old fashioned/AC)... because she's tried so many times to update her sound. Her team is really doing their homework, that we have to give to them. (Promotion however is a whole different story... anyway)

 

It still puzzles me to this day why this generation is just not buying her evolution. The closest i can think of is really her age... most people nowadays probably really prefer young/"sexified" artists... thats why all thats left to appreciate celine are us, her core fans...

Edited December 9, 2014 at 03:45 PM by marc-02

[Neddo]

Actually, Celine tries new stuff. But only half of album is filled with that. ANDHC was very different yet so Celinish. It was modern and cheerful album. Only song that is usual Celine there is I Surrender. Each song has something she didn't try before (genre, lyrics and so on). For example dancy When The Wrong One Loves You Right or song for a mother Goodbye's that sounds like a usual ballad but it's lyrics make it stand out. In One Heart she also made some interesting stuff but it was more an album for fans. TC had like 6 and LMBTL had like 5 innovative songs for her. Big part of Celine's last 2 album is just similar 90's Celine with difference in voice and lesser lengths. I guess that Celine needs her jazz album because it would amplify her comfort zone and surprise everyone. Or simply a modern, darker version of ANDHC without cheesy and unnecessary songs. Or she couls just make another album same to FIY or LTAL because it would sell. I guess that Celine is always "sellout" and can't satisfy everyone.

[isurrender]

I think that's an impopular opinion but ANDHC is quite ...crappy as a whole.

 

All the pop songs ( I'm alive, Superlove, When the wrong ones, Right in front of you)are outdated. She released this kind of sound because of the success of "That's the way it is" ( they are all in the same bucket to me) but she did in 2002 while these pop songs were successfull around 1999-2000.

 

There were so many different producers and genres... Gosh! You have a dance song right after a jazz classic!

 

There was not coherency and if I remember correctly all the reviews said it was pure Dion sounds.

 

The one which really stands out is Taking Chances to me. I'm curious to know which songs off TC are typical Celine. And to which song we can compare them. Because I can do this for 90% of ANDHC.

Edited December 10, 2014 at 09:28 AM by isurrender

[Neddo]

ANDHC received postive reviews just like LMBTL. And I'm Alive has a great melody and lyrics and great remix potential. I think that Taking Chances album however isn't filled with fillers so many different songs and Eyes On Me surprisingly fits. I think that Taking Chances is wrong title, they should have stuck with The Woman In Me instead. I just feel that some of songs weren't simply special enough. But Taking Chances was far more brave in lyrics than any other english albums because it's way more real and it shows that love has ups and downs but it's still inescapable unlike "love wins everything easily" of her big hits. I think that TC had horrid singles like Alone and AWTBI. TC album is great and it should have had atleast 5 singles (Taking Chances, Shadow Of Love, This Time, Fade Away, Map To My Heart, Skies Of LA and Eyes On Me would be more than enough.) LMBTL to me is great but half of is boring. At least TC had a concept and it stayed the same always except late title change. And it used to have sexy blonde portrait of Celine unlike that lifeless big hair picture used for album cover