Is Celine DIVA enough?

[smw]

Christina singing "The Prayer" got me to thinking...

 

We all know that Celine is a down-to-earth person with epic talent. And, because of this epic talent, she's been given the "Diva" title. But does it ever get frustrating to you guys that she doesn't have more of that "you're lucky to be in my presence" persona? I love how down-to-earth, compassionate, and funny Celine is -- so I'm really just playing devil's advocate here. But sometimes it can be frustrating to see Celine compliment these younger artists (Christina Aguilera, Lady Gaga -- and back in the day Madonna, Whitney Houston) and hardly ever receive mutual respect from those artists.

 

It's really more a problem with other artists not respecting Celine's talent than anything else.

 

Thoughts?

[Davey84]

Yeah I get what you mean. I think the only time she ever really acted like that, was when she performed Les Blues Du Businessman @ the Junos 1999. She had that: 'Ok I'm going on a break, but I'm damn well gonna show you, there is only one Céline Dion!!!!' that to me is still one of best performances ever!

 

I get what you meant, and you're right. Ok she was impressed by the big names back in the day...but now she IS a big name and she should demand that respect she deserves more!

[smw]

Yeah I get what you mean. I think the only time she ever really acted like that, was when she performed Les Blues Du Businessman @ the Junos 1999. She had that: 'Ok I'm going on a break, but I'm damn well gonna show you, there is only one Céline Dion!!!!' that to me is still one of best performances ever!

 

I get what you meant, and you're right. Ok she was impressed by the big names back in the day...but now she IS a big name and she should demand that respect she deserves more!

 

YES! I adore that performance. She is brilliant in it. I think she was in a fantastic artistic place right before her break. I think that since she knew the break was coming, she was fueled to give some of the best performances of her career.

 

[celine-rc]

I agree that she deserves more respect, definetly. I also have to say though that I'm happy that Céline isn't a Diva, in her attitude and everything. But yes, she deserves more respect.

[Matias]

I love her at the 99 Junos, but her voice broke in the middle of the sung...ouch

[puttybuddy]

Great thread, and I agree. I've always thought that myself. Celine is always talking about the great talent out there and even in the past but you rarely hear someone say, "Oh that Celine Dion has an amazing voice"! But I don't need to hear that anyway, I already know who's the best!

[wjd]

I agree, I wish she was more outrageous and diva-ish.

[bgcalde]

You are kidding right? I think everyone who knows her knows she is a great singer and the reason they dislike her is because of her music, but regardless you can't please everyone. So probably Mariah or Christina behave more like a "diva", but in my opinion they are just arrogant. Personally, I don't think I would like Celine as much if she wan't so humble, so I hope she remains that way.

[Your_Su_Phu]

Fans of Celine know she is extremely humble and kind, but I disagree with the fact that that's what the general public thinks

 

Because of the legendary SNL skit, SO MANY people actually think she goes around saying "I am ze greatest singer in ze vorllllld!!"

Also, most serious music critics have always claimed that she is very vocally arrogant, clobbering songs with power notes because she knows how great of a voice she has, and injecting most of her songs with bombast to show off her voice rather than to convey the meaning of the song

Edited May 7, 2012 at 12:46 AM by Your_Su_Phu

[volleyceline]

Yes

[Bell]

Talking about behaviour Celine is not a diva at all. She could never be. That's just her, she's different from most stars and that's why we like her so much.

[wjd]

Talking about behaviour Celine is not a diva at all. She could never be. That's just her, she's different from most stars and that's why we like her so much.

 

Its not why I like her so much - I like her so much because she's an amazing singer with some amazing music, not for her sometimes laughable personality.

[Bell]

Yes, of course, we like her mainly for her music but I'd say many of us don't approve the diva behaviour of other artists. So not being a diva is just another thing we like about Celine.

[wjd]

But equally, many of us would love for her to - just for one day - act a teeny bit deviant and diva-ish.

 

I mean this is Celine Dion for crying out loud - she is the diva of all divas, the woman who's voice sank a ship! lol. I love her to pieces, but it frustrates me sometimes how uneasy she is.

[Snowhite]

Oh come on people of course she is a diva!Ok its not diva at the character,she is very down to earth,but everything outside proves that she is!Taking Chances tour was the best selling tour of a female artist of all time!Las Vegas businessmen die to have her in Las Vegas!CDs,DVDs,Books,Perfumes etc prove that!But dont forget that right now the competition is HUGE!There are hundreds of new artists out there who try to approach audience!t's very difficult for Celine to be the ABSOLUTE,in this era!But of course she is a diva,and everyone recognize her talent and her amazing career! Edited May 7, 2012 at 12:28 PM by Snowhite

[Celine Fan 77]

it depends on what the "Diva" concept means

[wjd]

Oh come on people of course she is a diva!Ok its not diva at the character,she is very down to earth,but everything outside proves that she is!Taking Chances tour was the best selling tour of a female artist of all time!Las Vegas businessmen die to have her in Las Vegas!CDs,DVDs,Books,Perfumes etc prove that!But dont forget that right now the competition is HUGE!There are hundreds of new artists out there who try to approach audience!t's very difficult for Celine to be the ABSOLUTE,in this era!But of course she is a diva,and everyone recognize her talent and her amazing career!

 

Like most people on this board - who at the merest hint of a negative comment about Celine goes into defensive mode - you are sugarcoating what is actually a pretty fair issue.

 

I don't want Celine to demand 40 white doves and an unlimited supply of champagne and strawberries at her next television appearance; I don't want her to demand anything to be honest.

 

I just want her to stick her neck out there more than she does - I want Celine to put her stamp on the music industry and do something that suddenly makes the whole world fall at her feet again. I don't even know what it should be. Maybe it needs to involve there being loads of singers on stage, and Celine being the surprise guest, coming out and blowing everyone off stage - sort of like Divas 1998.

 

Just stop being...plain Miss Celine.

Edited May 7, 2012 at 01:35 PM by wjd

[wjd]

And incidentally, the Taking Chances tour is the 2nd best-selling tour by a female artist of all-time - behind Madonna's Sticky and Sweet tour.

 

And it will almost definitely be surpassed this year by Madonna's new tour and Lady Gaga's new tour - both of which will soar above $300m.

[Guest Reuben]

I find this topic silly. There are few singers in the world (if any) who are more respected for their talent and professionalism than Celine.

[celinecolombian]

Like Tommy Mottola once said during the release of All The Way: "Celine is the UnDiva Diva"

[Your_Su_Phu]

And it will almost definitely be surpassed this year by Madonna's new tour and Lady Gaga's new tour - both of which will soar above $300m.

 

I'm not surprised that Madonna's tour will take over the 2nd spot, but are you sure about Gaga? As a new artist, are her concert tickets as expensive as the TC tour tix were?

Edited May 7, 2012 at 03:04 PM by Your_Su_Phu

[imaswede78]

Celine isn't a diva because Rene is the business diva. My cousin is a producer at a morning news program and she told me Rene is EXTREMELY demanding. She said Celine walks in (and is very nice) and does her thing because Rene does all the dealing beforehand. So why should she be demanding and a diva when Rene knows what she wants and does it for her?

[GoldenLeaf]

And incidentally, the Taking Chances tour is the 2nd best-selling tour by a female artist of all-time - behind Madonna's Sticky and Sweet tour.

 

And it will almost definitely be surpassed this year by Madonna's new tour and Lady Gaga's new tour - both of which will soar above $300m.

By a ''female'' artist only ?

 

The TC Tour is actually the 2nd best-selling tour by a solo artist (both genders tegether) of all-time.

 

As for the diva thing, Celine is waaay too nice to be a bona-fide diva-b*tch. That's simply how her personnality is. Love it or leave it.

 

But anyway, it all depends of the defintion we give to the vague diva concept. It's not a concept we can actually mesure or clearly define so it's silly to say that a person is ''not enough'' diva or ''too much'' diva.

Edited May 7, 2012 at 05:41 PM by Calypso

[Prima_Donna1]

I agree that she deserves more respect, definetly. I also have to say though that I'm happy that Céline isn't a Diva, in her attitude and everything. But yes, she deserves more respect.

Umm don't shoot me here but I feel Celine does have a "a little bit" of the DIVA(b-word) mentality. For example with her voice training, and having things done a certain way. Sometimes that's what turns me off about Celine, however, she doesn't do it all the time.

 

Yes, of course, we like her mainly for her music but I'd say many of us don't approve the diva behaviour of other artists. So not being a diva is just another thing we like about Celine.

For her not being a demanding a wenchy form of a DIVA is certainly a good thing.

 

Like Tommy Mottola once said during the release of All The Way: "Celine is the UnDiva Diva"

I wonder what he thought of his ex!- Yes Tommy was definately right! But he was married to Mariah! another DIVA!

 

To me the word DIVA has two definitions(although there are many now).

 

Diva can mean a wenchy demanding woman who wants everything her way. Two can mean she is charasmatic and demand presence. She is also an earned a hardworking legend that has nothing to prove to anyone. Also she has been in the industry enough to earn that name.

 

-Celine is a DIVA(TWO) in that she is a legend and does the above what I have stated. Celine performs like she lives the stage. Many people from many ages, races, religions, and music tastes love her. There are people that don't like her but they admit she can sing or is a true artist. She is just respected by a lot of people. That to me is what is a DIVA is.

 

Though I am offended about these younger singers being called DIVAS. To me they are just not there yet.

Edited May 7, 2012 at 09:54 PM by Prima_Donna1

[celinemaniacaik]

Celine's too nice, thats why I love her. She's a humble person and I don't think it bothers her(what you guys said above), she doesn't have that jealousy factor.

[A cause, A cause]

She needs to get out of the Vagas thing and start having some creative music out there. Having her shackelled to the floor in Vagas has made her very uncool. It's all soccor moms going for their anniversary and all that... Ans she never gets to promote albums right pr make good videos. Its a shame as she in the last 10 years has looked smokin hott! And has had the DIVA thing going for her with that huge hair and those DIVA out fits, and in her French music she has been a credible DIVA... Not so much in her English music which is just getting more and more safe.

 

She can still be nice, and be a DIVA. If only she could make a break for freedom and leave Vagas behind.

[dmeredith]

Yeah I get what you mean. I think the only time she ever really acted like that, was when she performed Les Blues Du Businessman @ the Junos 1999. She had that: 'Ok I'm going on a break, but I'm damn well gonna show you, there is only one Céline Dion!!!!' that to me is still one of best performances ever!

 

I get what you meant, and you're right. Ok she was impressed by the big names back in the day...but now she IS a big name and she should demand that respect she deserves more!

 

I agree that it was one of the best performances ever!!! I'm not disagreeing with you at all "Davey84". Maybe Celine sang that song the way "the right people" would have expected her to sing it. She might not have been thinking that she was going to show them that "there is only one Celine Dion", but merely meant to sing it the way it should be performed.

 

As a teacher, I might be evaluated at times and expected to demonstrate teaching skills that are expected of me, but that doesn't mean that's how I teach each and every day. I will tho' when those certain occasions arise.

 

Celine IS a big name and she definitely deserves to be respected. The problem is that there are many people in the world who aren't respectful to anyone. Sad but true.

[dmeredith]

You are kidding right? I think everyone who knows her knows she is a great singer and the reason they dislike her is because of her music, but regardless you can't please everyone. So probably Mariah or Christina behave more like a "diva", but in my opinion they are just arrogant. Personally, I don't think I would like Celine as much if she wan't so humble, so I hope she remains that way.

 

I totally agree that many "divas" are just way too arrogant. When they behave that way, it lowers my opinion of them. I actually feel sorry for them that "they" think that's how they should act, and that anyone of worth would find their behavior admirable. I too hope that Celine remains the way that she is.

[dmeredith]

Fans of Celine know she is extremely humble and kind, but I disagree with the fact that that's what the general public thinks

 

Because of the legendary SNL skit, SO MANY people actually think she goes around saying "I am ze greatest singer in ze vorllllld!!"

Also, most serious music critics have always claimed that she is very vocally arrogant, clobbering songs with power notes because she knows how great of a voice she has, and injecting most of her songs with bombast to show off her voice rather than to convey the meaning of the song

 

 

Celine can definitely sing the power notes, but her singing most definitely conveys the meaning of songs!!!!! She's so talented in that area. You can hear it in how she sings, what she says and how she expresses those emotions in her facial expressions etc. That takes a real talent to be able to do that, and she does a fantastic job of it!!! Those "music critics" truly don't know how to critique, if you ask me. They need to open their eyes and ears!!! There are always those who will argue just for the sake of arguing. They could be standing in the rain, and deny that it's raining. It might seem unbelievable, but there are people like that. Sadly so.......Therefore, I don't heed any credence to what "those people" have to say about Celine.

[dmeredith]

But equally, many of us would love for her to - just for one day - act a teeny bit deviant and diva-ish.

 

I mean this is Celine Dion for crying out loud - she is the diva of all divas, the woman who's voice sank a ship! lol. I love her to pieces, but it frustrates me sometimes how uneasy she is.

 

 

I wouldn't ever want to see Celine act a teeny bit deviant and diva-ish. The way that Celine conducts herself demonstrates the real meaning of a woman. She doesn't need to lower her standards to those who find those "other traits" worthy. Celine is secure with who she is, and she doesn't need to flaunt anything. A real woman has a kind heart, speaks gently, listens with an open ear, and speaks when the need arises. She knows what needs to be done without needing any praise from others. She strives to be the example she should be by word and deed to others around her.

 

I certainly understand what you're saying "wjd", because we want to the world to see the Celine that we know. For her to act that way would be totally out of character for Celine. Trust me tho', most everyone that I talk to regarding Celine will most definitely talk about what an admirable person and talent she is, and that she's a great role model. They all have the utmost respect for her. Of course, the people that I'm usually speaking to are good people who try to live a good life themselves, not those who might be out doing drugs and committing crimes. Regardless, the opinion of other good people are what I care most about. Not those who are constantly finding fault with others.

 

Celine's sense of ease inspires me to be at ease and true to myself. It doesn't frustrate me at all. In fact, it gives me faith in people, and I find myself wanting to be that inspiration for others as well.