Bring back Diane Warren/David Foster for 2010

[Dionism]

"Nobody besides her fans wants to listen that kind of music anymore."

 

It's her fans she is making music for, not the people who don't like her anyway.

 

You've proved my point that I made in my first message: it seems to be more important to you what the average teenager thinks about her than how beautiful and good the songs are. The popularity is more important than whether a song touches your heart and soul.

 

It seems like you want Celine not to be like she used to be (her authentic self) so that more people will like her.

 

I like her just the way she is, and she can sing anything...but her voice is most suited to ballads and it would be a pity if she wouldn't sing them as much. I don't think her older stuff is outdated, because it's timeless.

 

Being popular says nothing about the quality of an artist. And it's the quality of an artist I prefer over anything. I'd rather have her to stay an original than a copy of all the other artists.

[stevo]

Popularity comes and goes, especially in the music business. Celine was at the very pinnacle- so, so successful. It's been 12 years since Titanic. I'd love her to be played on every radio station and see her on the front of every magazine, but really, I just want her to keep releasing stuff and keep selling well, which she does. Yes, her sales have dropped, but the fact that she is in the Forbes lists every year suggests that she is anything but an 'over' artist. Rene will still be striving to keep the titles and records.

[Lymon]

"Nobody besides her fans wants to listen that kind of music anymore."

 

It's her fans she is making music for, not the people who don't like her anyway.

 

You've proved my point that I made in my first message: it seems to be more important to you what the average teenager thinks about her than how beautiful and good the songs are. The popularity is more important than whether a song touches your heart and soul.

 

It seems like you want Celine not to be like she used to be (her authentic self) so that more people will like her.

 

I like her just the way she is, and she can sing anything...but her voice is most suited to ballads and it would be a pity if she wouldn't sing them as much. I don't think her older stuff is outdated, because it's timeless.

 

Being popular says nothing about the quality of an artist. And it's the quality of an artist I prefer over anything. I'd rather have her to stay an original than a copy of all the other artists.

 

I'm saying this because 1. I prefer seeing Celine sing edgier music, and 2. I don't want to see her become even more out dated than she already is. Celine's roots are in Rock music, she grew up listening to Janis Joplin and Heart. That's the kind of influences she should have in her English music (and she did with some songs on Taking Chances). She didn't have those until recently, which I find depressing. She also listened to Barbra Streisand, yes, but there should be balence. She has a versatile voice perfect for edgy songs like that. A few ballads on an album? Why not, as long as they are well produced and have nice lyrics. But to make a full album of them like LTAL would be very boring. She's already cited as one of the least versatile artists out there, why should she prove that to them? She should be proving them wrong. Why shouldn't she be as versatile with her English as she is with her French?

[Dionism]

Well, those people who call her not versatile are totally wrong.

 

She is and has always been versatile.

 

See here the diversity of styles on every album since 1987:

 

Incognito: 'Comme Un Coeur Froid' versus 'Délivre-Moi'

Unison: 'I Feel Too Much' versus 'The Last To Know'

Dion Chante Plamondon: 'L'amour Existe Encore' & 'Ziggy' versus 'Piaf Chanterait Du Rock', 'Des Mots Qui Sonnent'

Celine Dion: 'Love Can Move Mountains' versus'If Only You Could See Me Now'

The Colour Of My Love: 'Misled', versus 'Only One Road', versus 'Refuse To Dance', versus 'Real Emotion'

D'eux: 'Le Ballet', versus 'Pour Que Tu M'aimes Encore vesus 'Regarde-Moi' versus 'La Memoire D'abraham'versus Destin....well many different styles in one cd.

Falling Into You: 'Make You Happy', 'Your Light' (it's a crime it's not on the US version), Declaration Of Love versus the ballads. FIY is one of the most diverse and thus the most praised album of Celine.

Let's Talk About Love, everything the same? Ever heard 'Us'? Why Oh Why? (even though I don't like that song, R&B lovers do like it) versus classical music with an opera singer?

S'il Suffisait D'aimer: Terre & Tous Les Blues...versus Je Crois Toi; a whole WORLD of difference, is that the SAME artist???? No way!

 

 

Well, you get the picture, up untill now Celine only didn't show many of her different sides in only 1 album: Miracle. All the other albums show a very versatile artist. Saying Celine always does the same doesn't do her justice!

 

So those people are very wrong, so why bother what they think? We know she's versatile, and every album untill now (except Miracle) has been. Once again, Celine doesn't need to prove anything.

Edited September 5, 2009 at 02:08 PM by Dionism

[Lymon]

Well, those people who call her not versatile are totally wrong.

 

She is and has always been versatile.

 

See here the diversity of styles on every album since 1987:

 

Incognito: 'Comme Un Coeur Froid' versus 'Délivre-Moi'

Unison: 'I Feel Too Much' versus 'The Last To Know'

Dion Chante Plamondon: 'L'amour Existe Encore' & 'Ziggy' versus 'Piaf Chanterait Du Rock', 'Des Mots Qui Sonnent'

Celine Dion: 'Love Can Move Mountains' versus'If Only You Could See Me Now'

The Colour Of My Love: 'Misled', versus 'Only One Road', versus 'Refuse To Dance', versus 'Real Emotion'

D'eux: 'Le Ballet', versus 'Pour Que Tu M'aimes Encore vesus 'Regarde-Moi' versus 'La Memoire D'abraham'versus Destin....well many different styles in one cd.

Falling Into You: 'Make You Happy', 'Your Light' (it's a crime it's not on the US version), Declaration Of Love versus the ballads. FIY is one of the most diverse and thus the most praised album of Celine.

Let's Talk About Love, everything the same? Ever heard 'Us'? Why Oh Why? (even though I don't like that song, R&B lovers do like it) versus classical music with an opera singer?

S'il Suffisait D'aimer: Terre & Tous Les Blues...versus Je Crois Toi; a whole WORLD of difference, is that the SAME artist???? No way!

 

 

Well, you get the picture, up untill now Celine only didn't show many of her different sides in only 1 album: Miracle. All the other albums show a very versatile artist. Saying Celine always does the same doesn't do her justice!

 

So those people are very wrong, so why bother what they think? We know she's versatile, and every album untill now (except Miracle) has been. Once again, Celine doesn't need to prove anything.

 

You don't need to be singing the praises of her albums to me, buddy, I own all of them. I think I specifically said her ENGLISH albums need diversity, i've always thought her French career is versatile and where Celine really is as an artist. It's not only regular uptempos she should be doing. Experiment with sounds and music! Refuse to Dance was very new, she should experiment with sound again. Continue with the rock sound!

 

Again, I didn't say she does "all the same". I said that LTAL is very same-y (and Us, Let's Talk About Love, Immortality and The Reason are the only LTAL songs I really like). I said she should be more versatile and experimental.

 

By the way, do you know why they call her a not very versatile artist? When was the last time an uptempo of hers was promoted heavily and did very well? That's a different story, though.

 

And "proving anything" is also a different story, because I feel she's actually trying too hard to prove things. But again, a different story.

Edited September 5, 2009 at 02:15 PM by Lymon

[Nando Férri]

Again: For me popularity is not the real point. I just can't get a whole ballad album. She's my favorite artist since 97, but things have changed, music have changed and I've been changed too. What I liked to listen to 12 years ago, when I was 11 years old, is not what I want to listen today. And it's natural. I LOVE Celine, but I don't listen to her like I used to. When something new comes out I listen to that non-stop for 2 months and then I don't listen anymore. For me, it's too much "the same" for sooo long time. And doing something different is not doing something with less quality.

 

I wish she could REALLY do something different and REALLY go for that. Not doing with a step here and another there.

[Modesty Blaze]

You are so right. And I have news for everyone on here: The moment Celine records another album like ''Falling Into You'' or ''Let's Talk About Love'', that album will sell more copies than ''Taking Chances''. Don't get me wrong, I Love TC. In my opinion that is one of her best English albums, but that is not the Celine everyone learned to love...

 

That is not true whatsoever. The general public is not at all interested in that kind of music anymore. If Celine had completely changed her style, then made an album like FIY/LTAL again, then she could gain back fans that she supposedly "lost". But Celine's sound has stayed consistent enough that she hasn't lost fans to a new sound. So who is left to buy cheesy power ballads besides her core fanbase? Nobody. And given the joke of a promotional era TC was, the album sold really well. So it's not like she's gonna sell 6 million copies on an old sound. Yes, older sounding music is coming back(Amy Winehouse, Duffy, Adele, etc), but that's a classic style of music. Nobody's interested in the huge power ballad style anymore.

• I agree, true Even in the 90 melodramatic, kitsch power ballads, were kinde of poor quality songs. Music and lyrics for these bizzare types of songs are easily predictable, all consist of clicheis, and of words that constantly repiting from song to song. Exept some fans on this forum, NOT ALL, I am one of those who don't like these types of songs, who else like it ? Choose any Celine power ballads, and you'll notice, that same words to much repited, such as
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    heart, love, arms, touch, need you.We can make it through the night. You are my heart. We will see the light etc...
    

Style of these songs, is to easily win the llistener, who doesen't matter for any quality, because he acepts, every stupidety that offers to him. How many, of these melodtramatic ballads, Celine recorded in French? only two or three

All artist from the past sold more albums in the 90, than today, because today music is digitaly download, and because of large scale of illegal downlading. Celine is the only singer of today's, who can sales albums, without any promotion.

Although the sales of her albums are solid, she needs to stop with power ballads, cause she has them too much, from the first to the last Enlish album And yes if you are an artist , you must have QUALITY not quantity

[GoldenLeaf]

Celine should record more songs written and produced by Kara DioGuardi.

 

Diane Warren and David Foster have only produced and written crappy songs during the past few years. "I Didn't Know My Own Strength" is the perfect example.

Edited September 6, 2009 at 12:56 AM by Calypso

[Céline's Blues]

I truly smiled when I read the topic first and then listened to this "much hyped" Whitney/David collaboration. Two words: a mess.

 

Diane and David should be long retired. Along with Max Martin of course.

 

Celine needs quality and heart from producers. The latter being the perdominant factor.

[Rafael_MG]

I totally agree!!!!

[Claudette]

Celine should record more songs written and produced by Kara DioGuardi.

 

Diane Warren and David Foster have only produced and written crappy songs during the past few years. "I Didn't Know My Own Strength" is the perfect example.

 

Another example: ''Note to God''. The lyrics of that song sounds like a poem my 8 year old niece wrote...

 

I still say she should record something with a similar sound to LTAL and FIY... not necessarily produced and written by David and Dianne. I know some of you don't agree... but hey, to each his own...

Edited September 6, 2009 at 11:48 PM by Claudette

[Bruno Portugal]

For me it's not relevant the name of the one who writtes or produces for Celine. She just need quality material!

 

But I have to admit that some of Celine's greatest songs were written or produced by Diane Warren & David Foster.

 

I'am now listening to "I Want You To Need Me", and I must say: This song it's spectacular!!! and I don´t understand why it was not a worldwide single...

 

Let Celine enjoying her hiatus and pregnancy. Next year, probably, we'll get some news of future releases and collaborations...

[Davey84]

IWYTNM was a worldwide single, but it didn't do much, cos it was released after Céline took a break and there hasn't been a single performance of this song except for the video, which is a big shame...

 

but i also agree that the days of FIY and LTAL and big ballads are over. Sure I love a bombastic Céline song, and Céline does too... she said; I always need one of those... but that shouldn't be the base of an album!

 

Céline should record a 'french' english album... more edgy than her normal English albums. To me TC is a footstep in the right direction; more rock, less ballads... also I think that Céline should finally write her own stuff or at least co-write more! She's been surrounded with so many talented people, why only deliver the vocals, when you can also be active in the process before that!?

[ThisTime]

At this point I don't care who she works with, but they need to finally give her some good material.

[Nmj]

I think that David and Dianne need to produce1 or two REALLY great ballads, and the rest of the album should have a R&B/ Rockish pop theme..

With a couple duets with maybe, Alicia Keys, and Justin Timberlake...but here in the USA is very important that when a new album is released a song with a duet needs to be released because it markets both fans...and would defiantly get the word out about her new album... Next do two- or three great music videos...

 

Then next comes LOTS and LOTS of promotion like American Idol, Oprah, Ellen, Conon, Tyra, Regis, Jimmy Kimble, GMA, Today Show, View, etc... if her team could do all of that her album would make it to Number one again here in America and elsewhere

 

Just my thoughts

-Nmj

[ThisTime]

I think that David and Dianne need to produce1 or two REALLY great ballads, and the rest of the album should have a R&B/ Rockish pop theme..

With a couple duets with maybe, Alicia Keys, and Justin Timberlake...but here in the USA is very important that when a new album is released a song with a duet needs to be released because it markets both fans...and would defiantly get the word out about her new album... Next do two- or three great music videos...

 

Then next comes LOTS and LOTS of promotion like American Idol, Oprah, Ellen, Conon, Tyra, Regis, Jimmy Kimble, GMA, Today Show, View, etc... if her team could do all of that her album would make it to Number one again here in America and elsewhere

 

Just my thoughts

-Nmj

That would be great! It's just too bad something like that would probably never happen.

[SensationalCeline]

I can't wait to see who will be writing her new music. I don't mind who writes it but whoever does, I would like it to be more uptempo a little bit with a few ballads thrown in. I think having Diane write one for her would be amazing but David does sound like he's stuck in the 90's. I just can't wait for the new albums that we will have!! Who knows, maybe Celine will throw in a few of her own songs that she has written.

[betterone]

Reading a lot of of the comments here (especially on the first page) I notice that some people care more for how 'popular' the music is that Celine performs than how the quality of the songs is and how much it touches your heart and soul.

 

It seems to be that it's more important to you what the average teenager thinks about her than how beautiful and good the songs are.

 

I'd like you to consider this: a lot of the artists that are absolutely hot & popular today will be totally forgotten 10 years from now. Yet, Celine, Whitney, Mariah but also for example Christina will ALWAYS be remembered. Why is that? It's not that Mariah will be remembered for We Belong Together or any of the E=MC2 songs, but for...yes, you've guessed it.. 'Hero', 'Vision Of Love', 'Without You', Dreamlover etc.

20 years from now Whitney will not be remembered for her 'Million Dollar Bill' or 'Heartbreak Hotel' which was the 100% hot sound at the time of release but for Saving All My Love For You, I Will Always Love You, I Have Nothing, I Wanna Dance With Somebody etc.

 

And the reason why Christina will always be remembered is not because her music was 'up to date', but because she has an incredible voice and talent. What will they play in 10 years to show she is an all time favourite? I doubt it'll be Dirrrty, it will be "The Voice Within', 'Hurt' etc.

 

Good music has no date. The Voice Within or Hurt could have easily been a hit in the so-called-outdated (I so disagree with this label) 90's. It's just the production of the song that reveals when it was recorded, otherwise you wouldn't guess which year it came from.

 

And also, there is nothing wrong with 90's music, on the contrary everything is right about the music of that decade. A lot of stuff released in the last decade wouldn't stand the test of time as good as the 90's music does.

 

So if Celine really would like to be different, then she'd probably have to do what the other artists of this time aren't doing and that is go back to more ballads with good arrangements that would stand the test of time (and for me it doesn't matter if David Foster would do that or anyone else who might be considered more popular) And do some really great up tempo or edgy songs between those ballads. But it will always be the ballads that will convince people to buy her albums.

 

Stop trying to be popular and keep on being authentic. Copying the style of other artists is not necessary for Celine. And it would just not do her authenticity justice.

 

My favourite quote is: "You were born an original, don't die a copy!"

 

I can't agree with you more!

[Kyle_Jared]

Its so true.

 

My sister, only 24 years old, used to love Celine. Her "Falling Into You" days. I had an extra copy of "Taking Chances" and gave it to her. She said it was "ok" but nothing "Beats the old Celine."

 

Case in point: Outside of us major celine fans on this board; her record-buying populace loves the "original" celine. Songs like "Thats just the woman in me" are great for Celine to explore--shes doing what she wants and thats needed. But to do new albums that leave out her old sound is not practical and will isolate fans. I would venture to guess "Taking Chance" isolated some fans. That being said, growing artistically is great and is what every artist wants. But with the magnitude of a star like Celine she can explore new sounds but still stay true to the sounds that brought her to where she is today. Forget about fitting into trends. Clive Davis, Whitney Houstons mentor said recently regarding her new album that he was looking for songs that would still be classics 15 years from now.

 

With Celines next English album, the same process should be followed. Forget trends. She'll never be top 40 again. Shes Celine Dion. Go with what you know and modernize it a bit.

[Claudette]

I also know a few people that didn't even buy ''Taking Chances''. They said that it is not Celine... And I think it is a pitty, because TC is one of her best albums. I think Celine is at a difficult stage now, because some of her older fans want something like ''Falling Into You'', while her younger fans want something more ''edgy''. It's hard to please everyone... I think she should just record what her heart tells her to.

[Gicedi]

I'd love her to do SOME songs with David Foster again, among others! I like the albums with lots of styles in it!