Bring back Diane Warren/David Foster for 2010

March 16, 2009 at 09:07 PM

Dear Topic Starter,

I could not agree more wholeheartedly with you!!! To Love You More and Because You Loved Me were so dear to my heart, and I would love to have Celine sing newer songs like these. The Diane Warren/David Foster genre is timeless and never goes out of style. Celine has already proven that she can sing almost any type of genre. Now she should go back and sing ballads again, but still sing whatever type of genre that suits her fancy.

March 16, 2009 at 09:14 PM

Oh no please don't bring them back. I dont think that's what she needs. And I don't think it will bring back her popularity either...no newer fans for sure...

March 16, 2009 at 09:48 PM

Celine did a 1-2 week promotional stint where she went on many talk shows, talked about Rene-Charles and the end of Vegas, and sang either MHWGO/BYLM, Taking Chances and/or Alone. Then after that the album was totally forgotten about and she went on a greatest hits tour(I refuse to say that the tour was promoting TC, it wasn't in the slightest bit). The first special was an all-playback UK special where she "sang" 3 Taking Chances songs, and the second one was an 8 song show where she "sang" 4 Taking Chances songs. I'm sorry, but I don't call that promotion. I call that promotion All the Way.

MP3 doesn't have as much to do with it. Look at hot US sellers like The Emancipation of Mimi(not comparing the quality of any of these albums, just sales numbers), Back to Black by Amy Winehouse, with the right singles/promotion it can be done. And bad videos do have a lot to do with it. A good music video will be on heavy rotation on MTV/VH1/Whatever other music channel and get the single out, bad music videos end up nowhere.

I'm not saying she has to be superwoman or anything, but going on a ton of shows for one week then forgetting about it isn't promotion. Spreading out the promotion is better. It's just kind of sad to see the album not reach it's true potential. After a year I can still play this album and it still sounds as fresh and new as the day I bought it. Hot vocals, hot songs, amazing album.

I agree. I think if more focus had been placed on TC instead of the songs that have been heard hundreds of times, the album could have done better. Obviously we're not in the '90s anymore, and the musical landscape has changed. Unfortunately, the powers that be don't seem to have realized this. Perhaps they're going for nostalgia by having Celine sing those old hits so that people will remember how huge she was in the '90s. However, I think the main problem was with the songs chosen to be released as singles. "Alone," yet another power ballad was released, and "Eyes On Me," which was an attempt to show how "edgy" Celine is -- I think it would have been so much more beneficial to release songs like "Surprise Surprise" or "Shadow of Love". TC is full of songs like these, which are fresh and show a progression forward for Celine's sound, yet are not so "off the beaten path" as to be alienating.

Sorry, this has become a digression from the original topic. While I like what Diane Warren and David Foster have done for Celine's music in the past, I can't help but think it would just be re-treading old ground, especially if it were just for 1 or 2 songs -- pulling in multiple producers and writers for a single album can make it feel disjointed, but that's an entirely different topic...

March 17, 2009 at 12:42 AM

Anybody else agree we are long overdue to the magical combination of Diane Warrens songs and David Foster production. I'd love to see 1-2 songs from these guys in 2010/2011 when her next English album comes out.

Whitney Houston apparantly just recorded a new song for her upcoming project written specifically for her by Diane and David produced it. Insiders says its DYNAMITE!

I absolutely 100% agree! The three of them have made amazing music together and I'm sure they still have a few tricks up their sleeves!

I heard the same news about Whitney and cannot wait to hear her new song. What an amazing comeback it will be!

March 17, 2009 at 06:09 PM

Did Celine and Diane fall out then?? I never heard about it if its true. :shrug:

March 17, 2009 at 11:29 PM

Bad music videos don't really have much to do with sales.

Yes they do, they really do, and if not make bigger sales it makes singer popular, madonna can sell much less cds but she still will be much popular then Celine because of music videos and public presentation she has.

and for collaboration with them two: NO

we need new sound finally , but for now really new sound, celine didnt want to disapoint us, but she doesnt know that we need some shoker, new allspark from her? :shrug:

March 18, 2009 at 12:36 AM

Y'all need to remember David Foster and Diane Warren were two very prominent figures in bringing Celine to the masses.

"Because you loved me" "If you asked me to" "The Power of Love" "Love Can Move Mountains" "All By Myself" "Nothing Broken But My Heart"

and the list goes on that either Diane Warren wrote or David Foster produced.

As much as we , the die-hards, are wanting to hear ''new sounds'' from Celine, "Taking Chances" didn't fly out the shelves nearly as well as her previous releases.

Shes NEEDS at least 1-2 Songs from this team again.

It ain't even a question.

It's not about the "new sound that isn't selling", it's about Sony not doing their job promoting her. Taking Chances could've been the hottest CD of late 2007/early 2008 if it was promoted right with good singles and decent music videos. If she goes back to ballads and they're released as singles it won't fare any better for her.

Bad music videos don't really have much to do with sales. And while Sony may have done a bad job of promoting her, I don't think it is all about Sony's promotion of her. For TC, she went on sooooo many shows to promote it (The View, Early Show, Today Show, Ellen, Dancing With The Stars, Oprah, All My Children, American Music Awards, World Music Awards, two specials, and many more that I'm forgetting). That was enough for just about everyone to see her, and if they wanted to buy the album, they would have.

Of course album sales aren't going to be as high as they were in the LTAL/FIY era, but you also have to look at it in the sense that all album sales are down due to MP3's and such.

Taking Chances: 3,595,500 plus many more unaccounted for numbers
Hard Candy: 3,500,000 worldwide.

So compared to the #2 best selling female artist of all time (or is it Mariah??), she isn't doing to bad.

Celine did a 1-2 week promotional stint where she went on many talk shows, talked about Rene-Charles and the end of Vegas, and sang either MHWGO/BYLM, Taking Chances and/or Alone. Then after that the album was totally forgotten about and she went on a greatest hits tour(I refuse to say that the tour was promoting TC, it wasn't in the slightest bit). The first special was an all-playback UK special where she "sang" 3 Taking Chances songs, and the second one was an 8 song show where she "sang" 4 Taking Chances songs. I'm sorry, but I don't call that promotion. I call that promotion All the Way.

MP3 doesn't have as much to do with it. Look at hot US sellers like The Emancipation of Mimi(not comparing the quality of any of these albums, just sales numbers), Back to Black by Amy Winehouse, with the right singles/promotion it can be done. And bad videos do have a lot to do with it. A good music video will be on heavy rotation on MTV/VH1/Whatever other music channel and get the single out, bad music videos end up nowhere.

I'm not saying she has to be superwoman or anything, but going on a ton of shows for one week then forgetting about it isn't promotion. Spreading out the promotion is better. It's just kind of sad to see the album not reach it's true potential. After a year I can still play this album and it still sounds as fresh and new as the day I bought it. Hot vocals, hot songs, amazing album.

I disagree, 100%.

What would be FORGOTTEN is if she did a special performing: Surprise Surprise, Fade Away, Eyes On Me, Right Next To The Right One, Skies Of LA, I Got Nothin' Left, and This Time.

People know her, love her, and remember her for her 90's stuff. They will remember her performing 4 new songs and 4 old songs alot more then they will if she sings a bunch of new songs that nobody has ever heard of before. That right there is a formula for being forgotten.

The World Tour had about 25 songs in it each show, give/take a few. Throughout the tour, 10 songs from the new album were promoted, 6 of which during all 132 shows. That's about 1/4th.

One of the main purposes of a world tour when promoting an album is to lure people back into your music. Because of that, you have to play songs that the people already know and already love. The majority of the people who go to her concerts go there knowing and loving her older, most popular, and most successful hits, and it is what they want to hear more then anything else. They MUST be performed - marketing wise, it is the smartest thing: playing the older, more popular, more successful songs will captivate the average fan. Do you think they honestly want to go to a concert with 24 songs they have NEVER heard before?

And personally, those songs are a big part of her and her career, and it is THOSE songs that helped make her a big success and so well loved. It is important that they not just be forgotten and kicked to the curb. I know that part of the negativity is the way they are always performed (if you know what I mean....), and I agree that is the part of it that sucks, but still - for the average fan, it is necessary to have these songs performed.

It's important to have about 1/4 of the show promoting the new songs, to give them a bit of a dose as to what is new; but it is even more important to remind them why they were a Celine fan to begin with.

March 18, 2009 at 02:23 AM

I agree.....all of us 'die hards' here on the form love when Celine takes bold new directions, but the vast majority of celine 'album buyers'' that bought falling into you and the colour of my love in DROVES bought it because of the david foster produced smashes "The power of love" "Because you loved me....." etc.

"Taking Chances" didn't have a lot of her older sound that that crowd would like.

Her next album can have some different stuff on it, but at least 2-3 songs should be some really great David Foster/ Diane Warren collabs that may bring back those fans that have abandoned her or fell in llove with her in the first place back in the 90s. AND should be a single release!

And as far as David being out of date---hello he brought Michael Buble where he is today just over the past few years!! AND diane warren is still an amazing songwriter. THAT doesnt get old.

Edited March 18, 2009 at 02:24 AM by Kyle_Jared

March 19, 2009 at 02:06 AM

Somehow i miss those days, yeah i think we need 1 or two song from them, and specially i'd love to hear som track from Jim Steinmen wiht his mega power gothic ballad.

March 19, 2009 at 03:43 AM

i personally would LOVE to hear something from them on an upcoming album. when it all boils down, thats almost who Celine is as an artist and even though it may be "outdated" it would still be excellent music, and good music never goes out of style

that said, of coarse we don't want the whole album from them, that would be boring, but there's nothing wrong with including different types of songs on an album and mixing some older sounds with newer, fresher ideas. the only think that worries me about trying to be "current" is that not all people considered cool and worthy in music these days possess the same quality as some music legends such as david foster. i'm all for new sounds and god knows I love her old stuff, but all I ever want from a new CD is quality music and whatever source that may come from then so be it!

March 19, 2009 at 03:46 PM

I'm not sure about this. I'd like to see Celine record some of her own work, maybe make an English album with a few French songs. I know she must have a lot of her own songs written somewhere but is such a perfectionist that she doesn't feel worthy enough to record them. It would be great to see her producing the album as well; coming up with a concept and tweaking the vocals as she likes. It's always felt like she just goes to the recording studio, sings, and leaves. There isn't a lot of emotional investment or connection to the songs. I think she did achieve some of that on TC but she still feels somewhat disconnected from what she sings.

March 19, 2009 at 03:55 PM

Celine doesn't need them. She's in a rockier/edgier direction now, she needs to evolve in that path and not step back to 90's stuff.

March 19, 2009 at 04:39 PM

I think a few songs would be good from them..

But a Dynamite Duet with Justin Timberlake, Coldplay, Neyo, Santana or Santana would do amazing things for an album (promoting wise)

-Nmj

March 20, 2009 at 12:03 AM

I agree!!!

March 20, 2009 at 03:33 PM

Celine doesn't need them. She's in a rockier/edgier direction now, she needs to evolve in that path and not step back to 90's stuff.

The crux of the matter here is that she's wanting of a sound that's compelling and innovative at the same time. Simply channeling Kelly or Heart or Evanescence won't provide the springboard for a massive return to the mainstream. Her team has to scout out untapped geniuses in the music industry who can complement her talent rather than simply hire whichever producer is "in" or helped her succeed in the distant past.

March 21, 2009 at 10:22 PM

Celine doesn't need them. She's in a rockier/edgier direction now, she needs to evolve in that path and not step back to 90's stuff.

Rockier direction ? Ha ! The production stlye of "Think Twice" and "It's All Coming Back to Me Now" actually sound "rockier" and more "edgy" than most of the stuff she has produced this decade ! Just listen to Pandora's Box's version and you will hear the "rock" song within IACBTMN. I would love for a reunion with Foster, Warren, Steinman, Linda Perry or Kara DioGuardi !!! They don't have to "recreate" the 90s - how insulting to say that they are 90s "one trick ponies".

Do think they fell into a deep sleep until such time that Celine might recall upon them, no !!! They know how music may have changed - no doubt they don't want to redo stuff they did 10 years ago !! Bring it on I say !! :clap:

March 21, 2009 at 10:58 PM

Celine doesn't need them. She's in a rockier/edgier direction now, she needs to evolve in that path and not step back to 90's stuff.

Rockier direction ? Ha ! The production stlye of "Think Twice" and "It's All Coming Back to Me Now" actually sound "rockier" and more "edgy" than most of the stuff she has produced this decade ! Just listen to Pandora's Box's version and you will hear the "rock" song within IACBTMN. I would love for a reunion with Foster, Warren, Steinman, Linda Perry or Kara DioGuardi !!! They don't have to "recreate" the 90s - how insulting to say that they are 90s "one trick ponies".

Do think they fell into a deep sleep until such time that Celine might recall upon them, no !!! They know how music may have changed - no doubt they don't want to redo stuff they did 10 years ago !! Bring it on I say !!

One trick ponies? Who called them THAT?! LOL! I think most people on this forum celebrate the work that Foster and Warren have done, both in their collaborations with Celine and with other artists. And as for Think Twice or the like, I'd venture to say that some folks on this forum are referring to the entire color of a track, not just her vocals, but the music, lyrics and her vocals; music is easily datable, and tracks like Think Twice do indeed sound like they're from the early 90s.

Both Foster and Warren have spoken to their niche in interviews previous to this thread, and both agree that their work has it's sound, color, theme, tone, place and time. Music HAS changed in the mainstream since their last greatest hits, and they both understand this, which is why they've seemingly refocused their talents to artists who's repertoire remains in their niche.

All this, of course, does not mean that their work wouldn't bring some interesting drama to an album recorded by a vocalist like Celine, though an entire album of that color of work, or even multiple tracks of the same theme, would overwhelm an album in 2009 and throw any vocalist into this Foster/Warren/Mid-90s Power Ballad niche and negate any fresher sounding tracks on the same album, unless there's a HUGE standout track or two that can compensate [but why can't we have some standout tracks on an album that does have lots of fresher sounding tracks, rather than just the one or two, like TTWII was for ATW]

I'd observe, based on the countless interviews, recording studio sessions and overall excitement from Celine Inc about the most recent English album, they're not interested in this direction as an overall theme to any album or maybe even to any single track. There was too much hype around Celine using different writers, producers, technicians on the TC album; it's obvious she enjoyed recording it and would look forward to maintain that direction in future recordings, unless the album is completely themed towards something different than an adult-contemporary vocal album [think total Celine soundtrack or another multimedia extravaganza like Miracle. LOL.].

All in all, I'd say that I do enjoy the contributions of both people to music in modern history. Without their work, we wouldn't have the I Will Always Love You's or Because You Loved Me's or the All By Myself's that we do have to enjoy nowadays, but really, how much of THAT does the world need RIGHT NOW?!

March 21, 2009 at 11:29 PM

Diane Warren and David Foster's production and writing would obviously evolve with the times as they have in their recent production history. Do you think Clive Davis who's mastered and crafted the most successful albums over the past 3 decades, not to mention monster hit albums most recently by Kelly Clarkson and Alicia Keys would EVER consider brining Diane and David on to produce some new stuff for Whitney Houston if they were only "90's passe'" ?

Hell no. They were brought back because of the old saying "What ain't broke, dont fix it."

I've spoken to countless Celine fans who have "The colour of my love" and "Falling into you" albums and LOVE those albums. But they were not impressed at all with "Taking Chances" and even said "WTF?" To songs like "Thats just the woman in me?"

They are'nt old fashioned and they aren't old. They have the new Usher cds and the new Alica Keys. But David and Diane brought CLASSIC Celine songs to the masses. When Celine tries others things its credible. But in some cases, it alienates fans.

A smart future choice would to bring a team together that would allow creativity, but please fans from long ago that stopped following her beacuse they think shes retarded for some of the stuff she's recorded. When they hear a classic David song they may just say "Hey thats the Celine we like....lets get the CD".

Edited March 21, 2009 at 11:30 PM by Kyle_Jared

August 29, 2009 at 04:02 PM

That would be fantastic. They wite brilliant songs. So suited for Celines type of songs and her voice.

Smash :yes:

August 29, 2009 at 04:26 PM

1 or 2 songs are ok

August 31, 2009 at 04:52 PM

Foster's and Warren's best songs are BEHIND them. There.

August 31, 2009 at 05:34 PM

I would like to see a couple of songs from them

but not an entire album of this, that would be going back

as much as I loooove those songs

she should just keep doing more TC stuff, but I would like

a couple of ballads from them that would make it

a very complete album, a little bit of everything

August 31, 2009 at 05:58 PM

Why always look back when you could be reaching new horizons?

August 31, 2009 at 07:09 PM

Why always look back when you could be reaching new horizons?

Exactly! And come on, what would be "Because you loved me" nowadays? I could stand 3 songs of them on the album, but not a whole album. I really want to see Celine doing differents things. Really going for a new beat.

August 31, 2009 at 07:49 PM

For Whitneys new project on "I Look to you" (Great CD btw, just got it) David and Diane wrote one song "I didnt know my own strength." Its great.

For Celines next album, doing the same would be great; one or two david/diane songs would suit the project just fine.

Edited August 31, 2009 at 07:50 PM by Kyle_Jared

September 4, 2009 at 08:37 PM

Reading a lot of of the comments here (especially on the first page) I notice that some people care more for how 'popular' the music is that Celine performs than how the quality of the songs is and how much it touches your heart and soul.

It seems to be that it's more important to you what the average teenager thinks about her than how beautiful and good the songs are.

I'd like you to consider this: a lot of the artists that are absolutely hot & popular today will be totally forgotten 10 years from now. Yet, Celine, Whitney, Mariah but also for example Christina will ALWAYS be remembered. Why is that? It's not that Mariah will be remembered for We Belong Together or any of the E=MC2 songs, but for...yes, you've guessed it.. 'Hero', 'Vision Of Love', 'Without You', Dreamlover etc.

20 years from now Whitney will not be remembered for her 'Million Dollar Bill' or 'Heartbreak Hotel' which was the 100% hot sound at the time of release but for Saving All My Love For You, I Will Always Love You, I Have Nothing, I Wanna Dance With Somebody etc.

And the reason why Christina will always be remembered is not because her music was 'up to date', but because she has an incredible voice and talent. What will they play in 10 years to show she is an all time favourite? I doubt it'll be Dirrrty, it will be "The Voice Within', 'Hurt' etc.

Good music has no date. The Voice Within or Hurt could have easily been a hit in the so-called-outdated (I so disagree with this label) 90's. It's just the production of the song that reveals when it was recorded, otherwise you wouldn't guess which year it came from.

And also, there is nothing wrong with 90's music, on the contrary everything is right about the music of that decade. A lot of stuff released in the last decade wouldn't stand the test of time as good as the 90's music does.

So if Celine really would like to be different, then she'd probably have to do what the other artists of this time aren't doing and that is go back to more ballads with good arrangements that would stand the test of time (and for me it doesn't matter if David Foster would do that or anyone else who might be considered more popular) And do some really great up tempo or edgy songs between those ballads. But it will always be the ballads that will convince people to buy her albums.

Stop trying to be popular and keep on being authentic. Copying the style of other artists is not necessary for Celine. And it would just not do her authenticity justice.

My favourite quote is: "You were born an original, don't die a copy!"

September 4, 2009 at 08:48 PM

You are so right. :thumbsup2:

And I have news for everyone on here: The moment Celine records another album like ''Falling Into You'' or ''Let's Talk About Love'', that album will sell more copies than ''Taking Chances''. Don't get me wrong, I Love TC. In my opinion that is one of her best English albums, but that is not the Celine everyone learned to love... Edited September 4, 2009 at 08:49 PM by Claudette

September 4, 2009 at 10:25 PM

You are so right. And I have news for everyone on here: The moment Celine records another album like ''Falling Into You'' or ''Let's Talk About Love'', that album will sell more copies than ''Taking Chances''. Don't get me wrong, I Love TC. In my opinion that is one of her best English albums, but that is not the Celine everyone learned to love...

That is not true whatsoever. The general public is not at all interested in that kind of music anymore. If Celine had completely changed her style, then made an album like FIY/LTAL again, then she could gain back fans that she supposedly "lost". But Celine's sound has stayed consistent enough that she hasn't lost fans to a new sound. So who is left to buy cheesy power ballads besides her core fanbase? Nobody. And given the joke of a promotional era TC was, the album sold really well. So it's not like she's gonna sell 6 million copies on an old sound. Yes, older sounding music is coming back(Amy Winehouse, Duffy, Adele, etc), but that's a classic style of music. Nobody's interested in the huge power ballad style anymore.

September 5, 2009 at 02:24 AM

You are so right. And I have news for everyone on here: The moment Celine records another album like ''Falling Into You'' or ''Let's Talk About Love'', that album will sell more copies than ''Taking Chances''. Don't get me wrong, I Love TC. In my opinion that is one of her best English albums, but that is not the Celine everyone learned to love...

That is not true whatsoever. The general public is not at all interested in that kind of music anymore. If Celine had completely changed her style, then made an album like FIY/LTAL again, then she could gain back fans that she supposedly "lost". But Celine's sound has stayed consistent enough that she hasn't lost fans to a new sound. So who is left to buy cheesy power ballads besides her core fanbase? Nobody. And given the joke of a promotional era TC was, the album sold really well. So it's not like she's gonna sell 6 million copies on an old sound. Yes, older sounding music is coming back(Amy Winehouse, Duffy, Adele, etc), but that's a classic style of music. Nobody's interested in the huge power ballad style anymore.

Exactly! Her ballad singles are the prove. Nobody besides her fans wants to listen that kind of music anymore. And I don't want she to record something different just because of popularity, but because I can't get the same anymore too. Her voice is great and she can do ANYTHING. So it's nice to have 2 or 3 ballads in the album, but I prefer the rest to be a (true) new sound.

September 5, 2009 at 09:26 AM

Let me tell you that when Celine released I'm Alive & I drove all night the video's were rarely broadcasted on the poular music tv channels here (although I'm Alive did quite well on the charts I believe!). But whenever a ballad was released, suddenly the music channels started playing her.

And for Taking Chances: The song that people seemed to like the most was Alone. Why? Because that is what most people who like Celine want to hear from her. If they want to hear edgy stuff, there are plenty of other artists they prefer.

It's like, most people don't want to see Jim Carry play only serious roles. Or people who like Norah Jones don't want her to do only rap albums from now on. People who like Beyoncé don't want her to do country music from now on.

And most people who like Celine don't want her to do rock/r&B albums from now on.

Now I'm not saying that Celine should do only ballads, cause she never did anyway. I like the variation of styles on her albums. I think it would be a bad idea to have only 1 or 2 ballads on an album.

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