Real Album Sales

[nick1975]

Hello,

 

I am a fan from Montreal, Quebec and I am looking for the real numbers of Celine’s albums sales. According to the IFPI (the most reliable source), Celine Dion never was the best selling female artist. I find it weird because since 2004, Sony and a majority of cultural media have been claiming that she is. The following list comes from the Spanish IFPI Wikipedia page and the numbers do not seem to have been contested but, according to many, we can’t rely 100% on Wikipedia sources.

 

Since we can’t rely on record companies sources because they blow up the numbers for all artists, does anyone have the real numbers and their sources?

 

 

 

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federación_In...ria_Fonográfica

 

*Note that the numbers include album and single sales.

 

1.The Beatles ~400,000,000 UK 60s (1962-1970) Rock/Pop Guinness/EMI

2.Michael Jackson ~350,000,000 US 70s-00s (1979-) Pop/R&B MJ Stats

3.Elvis Presley ~300,000,000 US 50s-70s (1956-1977) Country/Rock

4.Madonna ~275,000,000 US 80s-00s (1984-) Pop WBR

5.Mariah Carey ~250,000,000 US 90s-00s (1990-) Pop/R&B

6.Nana Mouskouri ~250,000,000 Greece 60s-00s (1959-) Pop

7.Cliff Richard ~250,000,000 UK 50s-00s (1959-1969,1977-1979,1986-1999) Rock/Pop

8.The Rolling Stones ~250,000,000 UK 60s-00s (1964-1981) Rock 60.5 million in the US

9. Elton John ~220,000,000 UK 70s-00s (1972-1976,1989-1991,1997-) Pop

10.Celine Dion ~220,000,000 Canada 80s-00s (1990-) Pop Music/Pop Discography

[Bellamy]

Sorry, wikipedia has nothing to do with IFPI. Not to mention those numbers are far off to the real sales numbers.

Even mariah Carey's record label only dare to claim she has sold 165 million records, including albums, singles, videos. This wikipedia page claim she had sold 250,000,000. That's so funny.

 

This is the best topic you can find info about sales numbers.

http://www.celinedionforum.com/index.php?s...31&hl=chart

[Chula]

The best selling artist has to do with ONLY album sales, NOT singles. That's why Sony in 1998 encouraged people to buy the LTAL album by limiting the number of the MHWGO single at 500,000-600,000 units. Edited April 26, 2008 at 05:55 PM by Chula

[nick1975]

ok, I had seen that, but I'm looking for real GLOBAL album numbers.

IFPI is the only source there is and the numbers on Wikipedia come from IFPI.

Now, are these numbers accurate? I don't know.

Edited April 26, 2008 at 06:09 PM by nick1975

[Davey84]

people can alter Wikipedia if they like to... we can put céline on top with 1.000.000.000, but that doesn't make it real so these numbers aren't accurate

[nick1975]

ok, fair enough

where are the real numbers from a reliable source then? do they exist? does anyone have them?

[Davey84]

see the link Bellamy posted

[nick1975]

yes I saw that way before I wrote my post.

But these numbers are not the sum of international album sales and there is not compaison element (other artists' sales numbers)

[Chula]

I believe no one knows the exact number of albums sales except Rene and his team. Edited April 26, 2008 at 06:29 PM by Chula

[Nikosn17]

I don't know but I know that what the interviewers during Taking Chances promotion wasn't true. She hasn't sold more than 200 millions. Edited April 26, 2008 at 06:50 PM by Nikosn17

[carlottazenere]

If céline won the award as the best selling female artist of all time,there's a valid reason..don't you think?!?moreover it's better to rely on sony and the other important companies than on a site as wikipedia

[xo1hrt4celineox]

Celine = a whole lot

A select few = a bit more

Most others = not so much

(sorry i couldn't resist)

 

I agree with whoever said it above, I don't think we'll ever know all the real numbers, people can always claim whatever....

[tal-sh2]

OMG, This is so funny. What a "raliable" source - Wikipedia...

[Bruno Portugal]

I think the most reliable thing we had was "Celine Dion - 25 ans d'amour Magazine", published in 2005 to celebrate Celine's 25 years of career.

 

According to that magazine here's what Celine sold:

 

La Voix Du Bon Dieu: 50.000

Dion Chante Noel: 25.000

Tellement J'Ai D'Amour Pour Toi: 125.000

Les Chemins De Ma Maison: 150.000

Chants Et Contes De Noel: 75.000

Melanie: 175.000

C'Est Pour Toi: 50.000

Céline Dion En Concert: 50.000

Incognito: 500.000

 

Unison: 3.000.000

Dion Chante Plamondon: 2.000.000

Celine Dion: 5.500.000

The Colour Of My Love: 20.000.000 (1.000.000 in Canada; 6.000.000 in USA; 1.500.000 in UK; 1.000.000 in Japan; 560.000 in Australia)

Céline Dion A L'Olympia: 1.500.000

D'Eux: 9.000.000

Falling Into You: 32.000.000 (1.000.000 in Canada; 11.000.000 in USA; 1.000.000 in France, in Germany and in Japan; 840.000 in Australia; 150.000 in Switzerland)

Live A Paris: 4.000.000

Let's Talk About Love: 31.000.000 (1.000.000 in Canada; 10.000.000 in USA; 1.500.000 in Germany; 1.800.000 in UK; 1.000.000 in France and in Japan; 420.000 in Australia; 300.000 in Switzerland)

S'Il Suffisait D'Aimer: 6.000.000

These Are Special Times: 15.000.000

Au Coeur De Stade: 1.000.000

All The Way: 20.000.000 (1.000.000 in Canada and in Japan; 7.000.000 in USA; 1.750.000 in Germany; 600.000 in France and in UK; 210.000 in Australia; 150.000 in Switzerland)

The Collector's Series Volume One: 3.000.000

A New Day Has Come: 13.000.000

One Heart: 8.000.000

1 Fille & 4 Types: 2.500.000

Miracle: 5.000.000

On Ne Change Pas: 2.000.000

[nick1975]

this is the whole point: Wikipedia is NOT a reliable source, neither are record companies and certainly not Sony Music.

 

The IFPI produces a list of best album sellers, but the access to it isn't free, does anyone have it?

[nick1975]

there again Bruno, these numbers were published by Sony or Celine's entourage, they're not reliable and there is no way to verify if they're accurate.

[CelineAndRene]

Sorry, wikipedia has nothing to do with IFPI. Not to mention those numbers are far off to the real sales numbers.

Even mariah Carey's record label only dare to claim she has sold 165 million records, including albums, singles, videos. This wikipedia page claim she had sold 250,000,000. That's so funny.

 

This is the best topic you can find info about sales numbers.

http://www.celinedionforum.com/index.php?s...31&hl=chart

 

 

Agreed, and not to sure about Madonna... Ellen Degeneres and everybody else says that Celine IS the Best-selling female artist..

Edited April 26, 2008 at 10:16 PM by CelineDionFREEEK

[Nando Férri]

Again this??? We already have 1.000.000 topics about that...

[nick1975]

which post?

[Nando Férri]

which post?

Sorry, I didn't see you were new here. You can always make a search on the top menu of the forum.

[nick1975]

I already did, what do I enter?

[celinefanonline]

also i believe celine has already sold 200million... though!!..

[Bellamy]

World Music Award gave Celine the title Best Selling Female Artist Of All Time in 2004 with SONYBMG and IFPI. If you believe IFPI only, this is the closest truth you can get. Otherwise, you need to ask IFPI about it yourself, they won't answer though.

[carthal]

World Music Award gave Celine the title Best Selling Female Artist Of All Time in 2004 with SONYBMG and IFPI. If you believe IFPI only, this is the closest truth you can get. Otherwise, you need to ask IFPI about it yourself, they won't answer though.

 

 

i think the "best selling female artist of all time" doesnt have to do with album sales only.

it includes:

 

singles

concerts

perfumes

merchandise

the name itself

tv shows

commercials

endorsements

 

basically "best selling female artist" recognizes the artist who has the most effective, effecient and successful way of selling ther "name" in all aspect of being an artist.

[nick1975]

World Music Award gave Celine the title Best Selling Female Artist Of All Time in 2004 with SONYBMG and IFPI. If you believe IFPI only, this is the closest truth you can get. Otherwise, you need to ask IFPI about it yourself, they won't answer though.

 

 

i think the "best selling female artist of all time" doesnt have to do with album sales only.

it includes:

 

singles

concerts

perfumes

merchandise

the name itself

tv shows

commercials

endorsements

 

basically "best selling female artist" recognizes the artist who has the most effective, effecient and successful way of selling ther "name" in all aspect of being an artist.

 

 

well, in that case, the Guiness Book already gave that title to Madonna; I really am looking for the album sales numbers.

[CelineHayatiAna]

i watched the world music awards 2006 michael jackson sold more than 750.000.000 record sales...

i`m so sure celine sold nearly 250M

[Your_Su_Phu]

There is no such thing as a 100 percent reliable source for global album sales...

 

What we do know is Celine is at the very least one of the top selling female artists in the world. While no one has 100 percent reliable global sales for the albums of each artist - we DO have certifications. Certifications don't really represent all of the sales but they can be a guide for who has sold the most and are much more reliable than random figures thrown out there. Based solely on certifications I believe it's something like:

 

1. Madonna

2. Celine

3. Mariah

 

Celine and Madonna's sales certifications are very close to each other, Mariah is further behind

 

But then again these are based upon certain individuals' calculations of certifications and are still far from "official".

 

Even if you get IFPI figures do you really think that's 100 percent reliable source for global album sales? I don't think that's possible. We'll just have to live with the fact that Celine is at least one of the very top best selling female artists

 

 

i watched the world music awards 2006 michael jackson sold more than 750.000.000 record sales...

i`m so sure celine sold nearly 250M

 

The MJ figure (as well as the Celine one you have) sound so bloated and unbelievable. These are the same people who want to claim Michael Jackson's "Thriller" sold 104 million copies. World music awards is just as unreliable as record labels.

 

And btw, that whole debacle about Nana Mouskouri's sales is fake fake fake

Edited April 27, 2008 at 06:25 AM by Your_Su_Phu

[Your_Su_Phu]

ok, I had seen that, but I'm looking for real GLOBAL album numbers.

IFPI is the only source there is and the numbers on Wikipedia come from IFPI.

Now, are these numbers accurate? I don't know.

 

Who told you those figures were from IFPI?

And I still always see it commonly repeated in many official sources that there is no meticulous soundscan-like entity to calculate global sales, even if IFPI is supposed to "represent the recording industry worldwide", so is the IFPI even 100 percent reliable?

 

and btw your wiki link no longer works.

Edited April 27, 2008 at 06:32 AM by Your_Su_Phu

[aicee]

She's in the business for so many years. So don't ever wonder why she had the title.

[tal-sh2]

I think the most reliable thing we had was "Celine Dion - 25 ans d'amour Magazine", published in 2005 to celebrate Celine's 25 years of career.

 

According to that magazine here's what Celine sold:

 

...

 

All in Total: 184.7

 

I really don't know how they got to 200M.

And it's not make sense that "the best selling female" is includes singles, parfumes, etc...

Because if it was, Celine was actually alot more than 200M.

Edited April 27, 2008 at 08:14 AM by tal-sh2