Why is "If that's what it takes" so different that PQTME ?

[grobandion]

I have always wondered why is that "Pour que tu m'aimes encore" is so different than the English version, "If that's what it takes"

For me, PQTME describes a very sick kind of love, definetely about lovers

If that's what it takes, onthe other hand, describes an unconditional love, more like a Mother/son kind of relationship.

What do you all think?

[neilg]

What do you mean, 'a very sick kind of love'?

[grobandion]

don't get me wrong, by sick I mean unhealthly. She says she's willing to change her personality, to use the services of witches from Africa....you know what I mean?

[Your_Su_Phu]

i prefer pqtme by far. if that's what it takes is typical love song though they share same melody Edited April 24, 2008 by Your_Su_Phu

[DjCeline]

i believe PQTME has a deeper meaning. you may think it is about a very powerful and overwhelming feeling, or that, as you said, it is about, a very unhealthy and addictive love which makes the person who feels it to want to change totally so that she/he could be loved again by the object of her affection (who might still be in the relationship or who might have left).

on the other hand, if that's what it takes only gives me the sensation that it's a classical love ballad about a very..in love person who would to anything for the loved one.

 

i prefer, by far, PQTME.

[Davey84]

Well I'm happy that the english covers of Céline's french songs are different, cos otherwise it wouldn't be very creative

 

But I don't agree that PQTME talks about a sick kind of love I think it talks about devotion, that you will do anything for the person you love! In this respect, ITWIT doesn't really differ... only the lyrics are different

[rathnakumar]

I agree with you... And PQTME has such profound lyrics! I loved the fact that those words kinda make us feel, whoa, it's kinda creepy what that woman would do to make him love her back... But there's a beauty in the way the lines are written.. The expression is AMAZING! And I think the video perfectly captured the sentiment and Céline, I must say, did a great job in that video... She kinda gives an expression in the video when she sings "FALLAIT PAS TANT DONNER..!"where she looks like this obsessive, innocent and a crazy person... That one expression was precious... She totally acted like how someone who'd do voodoo and stuff would act! She's awesome!!! Edited April 24, 2008 by rathnakumar

[maceta_biloxi]

They are different for sure but you have to consider the market of those songs, people from French-speaking countries think different then people in english-speaking countries. PQTME is like a love spell and ITWIT is very love-devoting as Celine said before is about giving it all, risk it all and trying it all for the one you love.... both songs address those feeling differently but the bottom line is the same. Edited April 24, 2008 by maceta_biloxi

[peo]

I don't know, I LOVE them both!

[celinecolombian]

What do you mean, 'a very sick kind of love'?

 

I agree with you

[grobandion]

Celinecolombian, i have already explained what i meant by that to Neilq.

Most of you have understood what I was trying to establish, the subtli difference in the way things are expressed in both songs.

I just feel that "ITWIT" could be about an unconditional love between a mother and her child. It cannot be applied to PQTME, where the tone is much more agressive and sexual.

[Lawna]

I love both songs very much! PQTME is a beautiful song which to me describes a love that will go to the ends of earth for a person no matter what it takes so that their loved one will love them for ever. ITWIT describes a love that is devotional and to let their loved one know that no matter what they will be there for ever because that's how strongly they love them. So in a sense it is almost the same strength in love I guess, regardless, both songs are beautiful

[idroveallnight]

If you were to literally translate the words from PQTME into English the lyrics wouldn't flow as nicely as they do in French. Celine's French songs obviously convey deeper connotations and meanings that are too hard to express in English. If ITWIT was written in the same context as PQTME, I don't think too many people (other than the fans here, of course) would take the time to appreciate the depth of those lyrics.

[aicee]

Although I don't understand the PQTME I still love it the same as ITWIT. Specially the part of the song " I love you all my life"

[Black Kitten]

Although I don't understand the PQTME I still love it the same as ITWIT. Specially the part of the song " I love you all my life"

" I love you all my life"??? i don't remember that part.

[Alex_Incognito]

"If That's What It Takes' is from a stable relationship standpoint. Where you're so in love.

 

"Pour que tu m'aimes encore" is about a relationship that has ended, and the person singing will do anything---magic, anything to make that person love them back.

 

"Tu m'aimes encore" is much more powerful. No doubt one of Celine's finest.

[KimboCosmo]

LOL I sang the words to ITWIT in Vegas when she sang PQTME in AND...

 

[scorp82]

I think both songs are great! Even though I don't understand French, I prefer Pour Que Tu M'aimes Encore. For some reason, I feel that the song in French has a special charm and conveys great meaning. I am not saying that the version of the song in English does not have charm, but I feel the version in French is just priceless.

 

As far as the meanings of the songs are concerned... I think we all have reached some consensus here.

 

Pour Que Tu M'aimes: I know the song is about loving someone so much a person would be willing to do everything and anything to have that love once again. The person embodied in the song, according to the lyrics, would chant the magical verses of African witch doctors, become a queen, or turn herself into gold just so that the other person would love her once again. Although we should not take the lyrics too literally, I think the lyrics carry great depth and meaning.

 

Then again, how many of us here have fallen deeply in love and then perhaps that relationship comes to an end? How many of us would have wished to have that love again? At the time of that specific break up, how many of us would have tried everything and anything to recover that love? I think all of us can relate!

 

If That's What It Takes: The meaning of the song is so much different than Pour Que Tu M'aimes Encore... Perhaps the song could not be translated literally into English. Otherwise, the song would lose some substance. So, the version in English saw some evolution. When I think of If That's What It Takes, I think about two people in love. According to the lyrics, "You're the bravest of hearts, you're the strongest of souls / You're my light in the dark, you're the place I call home / You can say it's all right, but you're breaking up inside / I see it in your eyes / Even you face the night afraid and alone, that's why I'll be there ... " However, even though one party in the relationship is very strong and brave, this person is going through something. This person feels afraid and alone and is in despair. The person singing the lyrics tells her significant other that despite everything, she will be there for him to help him get through his tough time. She is willing to do everything and anything to love and support her man through thick and thin and help him through his problems. In this case, Celine is singing about the woman being the stronger one and the man she's in love with as the party who needs support and someone to lean on.

[Jacqui]

I don't know why they're different, but I recently learned the words and meaning to Pour Que Tu M'Aimes Encore, so I notice the difference too.

If That's What It Takes is kind of more universal, it could be about any kind of love, and how far someone would go to be there for the person they love.

Pour Que Tu M'Aimes Encore is more...I wouldn't have said sick...but it's more passionate and desperate. I never thought it was about a creepy woman or anything, though.

I love both. But after hearing Pour Que Tu M'aimes Encore live...I think I like it better. Like Celine said, a lot of people can relate to the feeling of loving someone THAT much

[Prince Whiskers]

The lyrics of PQTME are some of the best ever in contemporary music. How the abandoned lover expresses her desperation is just soooooooooooo French. lol

[Bumble]

PQTMAE is definitely Dion's masterpiece when it comes to lyrics. The song is written in perfect Alexandrine . The story conveyed is definitely creepy, depicting a woman on the verge of being a complete lunatic. And celine does a perfect actress performance in the music video.

ITSWIT is definitely not that good compared to the original version.

[Alex_Incognito]

I love that people are repeating Celine's speech from "A New Day..."! LOL

[nature boy]

I do love both songs. I wish I could understand the French version. Although I do get the passion from the music and the vocal. I've never actually seen a translation for it, anyone have a clue?

 

As for ITWIT, I LOVE this record and I LOVE how Celine sings it and the lyrics. I know some people don't but to me it says evrything you need to say "about loving someone so deep".

 

Top songs both of them!

[-annica-]

finally someone is discussion this! I only understand the english version and would soo like to understand the french version. could somebody please translate the french version into english?

[scorp82]

I do love both songs. I wish I could understand the French version. Although I do get the passion from the music and the vocal. I've never actually seen a translation for it, anyone have a clue?

 

As for ITWIT, I LOVE this record and I LOVE how Celine sings it and the lyrics. I know some people don't but to me it says evrything you need to say "about loving someone so deep".

 

Top songs both of them!

 

 

finally someone is discussion this! I only understand the english version and would soo like to understand the french version. could somebody please translate the french version into english?

 

 

 

I found a direct translation of Pour Que Tu M'aimes Encore from French to English. Even though this is apparently a rough translation, I think the person who translated this actually captured the meaning of the song very well.

 

This is why Pour Que Tu M'aimes Encore and If That's What It Takes are so different. The true meaning of the song would have been difficult to capture in English, so the English version took a different meaning. Celine even said she had considered recording or actually recorded L'Amour Existe Encore in English, but the final product did not embody any of the song's original meaning. Instead, Celine recorded the song in Spanish as Aun Existe Amor, which is a beautiful song.

 

 

 

http://www.leoslyrics.com/listlyrics.php?hid=TF9Ak4l7em0%3D

 

 

"So that you love me still"

 

I understood all the words, I understood, thank you.

They were new and made sense, that's why here

Things have changed, and the flowers have wilted

That's why the past was the past

That's why, if everything changes and wears out, then loves also fade away

 

You should know

I'll look for your heart if you take it somewhere else

Even if when you dance, others are dancing with you

I'll look for your soul in the cold, in the flame

I'll cast a spell on you, so that you love me still

 

You shouldn't have started, attracted me, touched me

I shouldn't have given so much, I don't know how to play

People tell me that today, they tell me that's how other women do things

I'm not other women

Before we get too close, before we throw it away

 

You should know

I'll look for your heart if you take it somewhere else

Even if when you dance, others are dancing with you

I'll look for your soul in the cold, in the flame

I'll cast a spell on you, so that you love me still

 

I'll find other languages to sing your praises

I'll pack our bags for the fields of eternal harvests

I'll say those magic words spoken by African healers

I'll say them with no regrets, so that you love me still

 

I'll make myself a queen so that you don't leave me

I'll make myself new so the fire starts again

I'll become like those other women who make you happy

Your games will be our games, if that's what you desire

I'll make myself brighter, more beautiful, to rekindle the spark

I'll turn myself to gold, so that you love me still

[-annica-]

I do love both songs. I wish I could understand the French version. Although I do get the passion from the music and the vocal. I've never actually seen a translation for it, anyone have a clue?

 

As for ITWIT, I LOVE this record and I LOVE how Celine sings it and the lyrics. I know some people don't but to me it says evrything you need to say "about loving someone so deep".

 

Top songs both of them!

 

 

finally someone is discussion this! I only understand the english version and would soo like to understand the french version. could somebody please translate the french version into english?

 

 

 

I found a direct translation of Pour Que Tu M'aimes Encore from French to English. Even though this is apparently a rough translation, I think the person who translated this actually captured the meaning of the song very well.

 

This is why Pour Que Tu M'aimes Encore and If That's What It Takes are so different. The true meaning of the song would have been difficult to capture in English, so the English version took a different meaning. Celine even said she had considered recording or actually recorded L'Amour Existe Encore in English, but the final product did not embody any of the song's original meaning. Instead, Celine recorded the song in Spanish as Aun Existe Amor, which is a beautiful song.

 

 

 

http://www.leoslyrics.com/listlyrics.php?hid=TF9Ak4l7em0%3D

 

 

"So that you love me still"

 

I understood all the words, I understood, thank you.

They were new and made sense, that's why here

Things have changed, and the flowers have wilted

That's why the past was the past

That's why, if everything changes and wears out, then loves also fade away

 

You should know

I'll look for your heart if you take it somewhere else

Even if when you dance, others are dancing with you

I'll look for your soul in the cold, in the flame

I'll cast a spell on you, so that you love me still

 

You shouldn't have started, attracted me, touched me

I shouldn't have given so much, I don't know how to play

People tell me that today, they tell me that's how other women do things

I'm not other women

Before we get too close, before we throw it away

 

You should know

I'll look for your heart if you take it somewhere else

Even if when you dance, others are dancing with you

I'll look for your soul in the cold, in the flame

I'll cast a spell on you, so that you love me still

 

I'll find other languages to sing your praises

I'll pack our bags for the fields of eternal harvests

I'll say those magic words spoken by African healers

I'll say them with no regrets, so that you love me still

 

I'll make myself a queen so that you don't leave me

I'll make myself new so the fire starts again

I'll become like those other women who make you happy

Your games will be our games, if that's what you desire

I'll make myself brighter, more beautiful, to rekindle the spark

I'll turn myself to gold, so that you love me still

 

 

thanks! I also found this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gjOfbP5d3Y

[frana]

Hi everyone !!!!

 

If Thats What It Takes and french version Pour Que To Maimes Encore are very amazing songs .

 

I love it

 

passion , love , touch ....

 

strong vocal , beautiful lyrics and good sound

 

[grobandion]

I couldn't be happier with all of your opinions on this Topic I started. It has made me feel that lots of people feel the same way I do.

Thanx for sharing!!!!

[grobandion]

I also feel that Celine should make more "translations" from her FRENCH songs into English. The outcome has been amazing so far: "Have a heart", "If that's what it takes", "I don't know", "Fly", "Et Je t'aime encore"....

I believe they would be hits, like "Immensite", "A cause", "Je cherche l'ombre", "Contre Nature", I don't know, a lot of amazing songs

[Black Kitten]

not one of my favorite tracks, but i adore them both, equally.