Is Barack Obama the new JFK?

January 8, 2008 at 07:50 AM

Is he really worth all the media hype? I'm sure the American fans on the forum have some interesting things to say about him.

And did Hilary jinx herself by ditching "You and I"? :giggle:

January 8, 2008 at 08:08 AM

you mean he'll go and have a relationship with america's most unstable woman of today? Britney??? :lmao:

well what I heard yesterday that Hillary's program is much better then his, but he can bloom that by giving great speaches.... and yes I think the cursh of ditching Céline is coming back to haunt Hillary! :laugh:

January 8, 2008 at 08:13 AM

The Iowa loss and the impending N.H. loss are signs of the imperious, mysterious, homme fatale kind of undie-less bear working on Celine-ditching Hilary. :giggle:

January 8, 2008 at 10:14 AM

He's more like Bobby Kennedy than JFK. Obama advocates change and is running in a time where everyone is sick of the government and seem to be latching on to the person who claims to be the most different. Let's hope he doesn't meet the same end as Bobby. Obama is kind of... well... it's a slight risk to vote for him. He is VERY intelligent but he is a little of an unknown entity. He's held public office since 1996 but was only sworn in as a U.S Senator in 2005. This has led to many people claiming he lacks experience as a leader and it's a bad thing etc. And some people are saying stuff against him because he's "young". However, just something to think about... he is a year older than Bill Clinton was when he was running for president back in 1992 and he also has actual Washington experience which Bill Clinton did not have... He was never a Senator, he was never a Congressman yet he turned out to be a great president... cept when he was doing naughty things in the Oval Office.

NH is make or break for Hillary. She did herself NO favors yesterday when she got all tearful. Two of the main arguments against Hillary are that she is a calculated robotesque figure who will do anything for power. So her nearly crying could be twisted as her trying to get sympathy. And the other argument is that she is a woman and women get emotional and aren't as strong as men. So her crying could be twisted as proof that she hasn't got what it takes to handle all of the pressures that go along with being president... if she can't handle the process of winning the nomination how is she gonna handle the rest of the campaign (should she win the nomination) and how will she handle being president?

John Edwards is the best candidate for the Democrats if you're going from his ideals and realistic plans for change. He's against payola from drug companies etc, he's not a hypocrite (Obama is... he says he's against lobbyists yet as Clinton pointed out the other day he has an ex-lobbyist as one of the chief people in his campaign!) and he's able to stand up and admit when he's wrong... like how he admits he was wrong to vote for the war. Clinton doesn't seem capable of admitting that she was wrong to vote for the war... that's bad. It's a good trait to be able to admit your mistakes. Edwards is a good man and a good candidate.

The Democrats are spoiled for choice though. Obama, Clinton, Edwards... all three are good politicians. All three are capable of winning in November and all three would probably be able to do the job well... all three are very intelligent people.

As for the Republicans... It is SCARY that Mike Huckabee is doing so well. He is even MORE conservative than George W. Bush!!!! Sure he seems quite personable but he's about as far right as you can go on so many issues. Of course some stupid people just see the surface... see how he seems like a nice guy and they figure he's alright. No! George Bush seems like a nice guy when he's not doing presidential stuff... seems like he can be a laugh to be around. But is he a good president? NOPE! Romney is the devil, Guiliani will say whatever to whoever to get the nomination. Ron Paul scares people cos he's a Libertarian. John McCain is the lesser of so many evils.

I think Obama is gonna win. Everyone is jumping on his bandwagon. I'd personally think that Edwards or Clinton are better candidates but whatever... Obama is not bad and he is inspiring a LOT of people to get out there and vote. That is NOT a bad thing! Voter apathy... especially from the youth was perhaps a part of why Kerry lost back in 2004. Young people seem to LOVE Obama and want to campaign for him. It's kind of annoying because a lot of people are getting carried away about him cos he's black and it's a big deal to have a black president and they aren't thinking of the issues!!!!

January 8, 2008 at 10:15 AM

and wow that was an essay lol

January 8, 2008 at 01:23 PM

He's black and proud! I hope he gets into the white house and turns out to be gay and muslim, just to really shock the haters out there!

January 8, 2008 at 04:58 PM

He's black and proud! I hope he gets into the white house and turns out to be gay and muslim, just to really shock the haters out there!

Yeah maybe some dude will come out and say they've had an encounter with him in an airport restroom... politicians love to do that lately! And he's already had the muslim rumors.

Edited January 8, 2008 at 04:59 PM by incognito

January 8, 2008 at 11:22 PM

Hillary ditched Celine? Wow, I'm sooooooo uninformed these days. Why?

January 9, 2008 at 04:06 AM

YES! Now this is a race.

Just heard Obama's speech. Full of amazing soundbites but total crap really. He's full of it. Yes he's a great public speaker but it's just... words. So he says he's going to end the war in Afghanistan and get al-qaeda. REALLY? And HOW are you gonna do that Barack?

January 9, 2008 at 05:02 AM

YES! Now this is a race.

Just heard Obama's speech. Full of amazing soundbites but total crap really. He's full of it. Yes he's a great public speaker but it's just... words. So he says he's going to end the war in Afghanistan and get al-qaeda. REALLY? And HOW are you gonna do that Barack?

The very idea of him being president scares me because he has no experience. I would feel so unsafe with someone like him who doesn't know what the heck he's doing. :ermm:

January 9, 2008 at 06:59 AM

UPDATE: Hillary just clinched the N.H. primary and while people are calling it an upset, I'm aware that Madam Clinton has gone back to Celine not for "You and I" but for the song "Femme Comme Chacune". :yes:

Maybe I don't know much about American politics but when it comes to foreign policy, I rank Hillary higher than Obama. I think she has a deep understanding of culture-influenced nuances underlying the different international issues while Obama strikes me as too idealistic, preferring to see things as either black or white (no pun intended).

And just to let Incognito know, our president is a woman and a former classmate of Bill Clinton at Georgetown U and while I have reservations about her leadership, I have to admit that she has shown very unusual toughness when it comes to dealing with people who are scheming to kick her out of power. 2 coup attemtps and 1 storming of the Palace gates by tens of thousands of agitated masses and she's still around.

January 9, 2008 at 07:22 AM

YES! Now this is a race.

Just heard Obama's speech. Full of amazing soundbites but total crap really. He's full of it. Yes he's a great public speaker but it's just... words. So he says he's going to end the war in Afghanistan and get al-qaeda. REALLY? And HOW are you gonna do that Barack?

The very idea of him being president scares me because he has no experience. I would feel so unsafe with someone like him who doesn't know what the heck he's doing.

What do you mean he has no experience? He became a state senator in 1996. And in 2004 he was elected as a U.S Senator. That's 11 years experience of holding public office. Hillary Clinton has coming up to 8 years experience of holding public office. Sure those 8 years are Washington experience but in reality she's only 4 years ahead of Obama. She's 60 years old. That's normal. The other argument always held up against Obama is that he is "too young". Really? Well he'll be 47 years and 3 months old in November. When Bill Clinton was elected president in November 1992 he was only 46 years and 3 months old! Oh and also, although he was governor of Arkansas for many years, Bill Clinton had very little Washington experience before he was elected president.

Obama has experience and it's valid experience. People just keep spewing he's inexperienced because the Clinton Machine has spun it to them so much they just take it as fact. It's not. Plus, Barack Obama is a very, very intelligent man and he surrounds himself with wise people. How do you think he got where he is?

You shouldn't be scared by his supposed "lack of experience" at all. He has experience. He is capable of doing the job. But I don't believe he is the best person for the job.

January 9, 2008 at 07:26 AM

And just to let Incognito know, our president is a woman and a former classmate of Bill Clinton at Georgetown U and while I have reservations about her leadership, I have to admit that she has shown very unusual toughness when it comes to dealing with people who are scheming to kick her out of power. 2 coup attemtps and 1 storming of the Palace gates by tens of thousands of agitated masses and she's still around.

Yes but that's the problem I personally have with women as world leaders. They go in with all guns blazing. They believe they have to prove they are as tough as a man and sometimes go too far and actually act even tougher than a man would in whatever the given situation is. My case study for this is Margaret Thatcher's 11 years as the toughest, most evil, loathsome leader the UK has had over the past 100 years.

January 9, 2008 at 07:39 AM

ha ha. Our president is very machiavellian, I'm telling you. She's reputed tby the media to be uncannily skilled at buying loyalties, pleasing her generals, enfeebling the leftist crowd, and discrediting the opposition.

January 9, 2008 at 07:41 AM

ha ha. Our president is very machiavellian, I'm telling you. She's reputed tby the media to be uncannily skilled at buying loyalties, pleasing her generals, enfeebling the leftist crowd, and discrediting the opposition.

That's a woman leader for you! :giggle:

I think Hillary will be a great president. Just like her husband was.

January 9, 2008 at 08:25 AM

Hillary's defiant comeback in N.H. must have put a smile on Incognito's face. After all, she's a fan of the Williams sisters. :giggle:

3 match points down vs. Maria in Melbourne and still winning, 7(or was it 9 lol) match points down vs. Capriati in Miami and still winning. :giggle:

January 9, 2008 at 09:08 AM

UPDATE: Hillary just clinched the N.H. primary and while people are calling it an upset, I'm aware that Madam Clinton has gone back to Celine not for "You and I" but for the song "Femme Comme Chacune".

really? O_o didn't haters already have a field day with her choosing celine's "you and I", if hilary chose a french song wouldn't it raise even more eyebrows? but what do you mean exactly?

January 9, 2008 at 09:18 AM

UPDATE: Hillary just clinched the N.H. primary and while people are calling it an upset, I'm aware that Madam Clinton has gone back to Celine not for "You and I" but for the song "Femme Comme Chacune".

really? O_o didn't haters already have a field day with her choosing celine's "you and I", if hilary chose a french song wouldn't it raise even more eyebrows? but what do you mean exactly?

Erm... It's a joke.

January 9, 2008 at 09:29 AM

Your Su Phu won't recognize a joke even if it was Manuel standing naked in front of him and doing a deadpan gigolo dance to On S'est Aime A Cause. :xmas_rolleyes:

January 9, 2008 at 02:49 PM

YES! Now this is a race.

Just heard Obama's speech. Full of amazing soundbites but total crap really. He's full of it. Yes he's a great public speaker but it's just... words. So he says he's going to end the war in Afghanistan and get al-qaeda. REALLY? And HOW are you gonna do that Barack?

The very idea of him being president scares me because he has no experience. I would feel so unsafe with someone like him who doesn't know what the heck he's doing.

What do you mean he has no experience? He became a state senator in 1996. And in 2004 he was elected as a U.S Senator. That's 11 years experience of holding public office. Hillary Clinton has coming up to 8 years experience of holding public office. Sure those 8 years are Washington experience but in reality she's only 4 years ahead of Obama. She's 60 years old. That's normal. The other argument always held up against Obama is that he is "too young". Really? Well he'll be 47 years and 3 months old in November. When Bill Clinton was elected president in November 1992 he was only 46 years and 3 months old! Oh and also, although he was governor of Arkansas for many years, Bill Clinton had very little Washington experience before he was elected president.

Obama has experience and it's valid experience. People just keep spewing he's inexperienced because the Clinton Machine has spun it to them so much they just take it as fact. It's not. Plus, Barack Obama is a very, very intelligent man and he surrounds himself with wise people. How do you think he got where he is?

You shouldn't be scared by his supposed "lack of experience" at all. He has experience. He is capable of doing the job. But I don't believe he is the best person for the job.

Obama wasn't state senator until 1997. Hillary has almost 8 years as Senator for NY but she also was doing political work as first lady so that's another 8 years. Plus back when Bill was governor of Arkansas in 1982 until 1992 she was still doing political type work as chair person and board member of a few different associations. So her experience expands far past Obama's. He just doesn't seem to have any real plans. If anyone's ever been on Hillary's website she has videos where she maps out her plans for different topics step by step. Even a person who isn't politically endowed can understand her plans because she explains things so adequately. Watching the debates I didn't get the feeling Obama had things quite figured out as well as Hillary. Frankly, I don't think Obama has enough brians or balls to face any real situations. I think he's all talk and no action.

January 9, 2008 at 03:27 PM

YES! Now this is a race.

Just heard Obama's speech. Full of amazing soundbites but total crap really. He's full of it. Yes he's a great public speaker but it's just... words. So he says he's going to end the war in Afghanistan and get al-qaeda. REALLY? And HOW are you gonna do that Barack?

The very idea of him being president scares me because he has no experience. I would feel so unsafe with someone like him who doesn't know what the heck he's doing.

What do you mean he has no experience? He became a state senator in 1996. And in 2004 he was elected as a U.S Senator. That's 11 years experience of holding public office. Hillary Clinton has coming up to 8 years experience of holding public office. Sure those 8 years are Washington experience but in reality she's only 4 years ahead of Obama. She's 60 years old. That's normal. The other argument always held up against Obama is that he is "too young". Really? Well he'll be 47 years and 3 months old in November. When Bill Clinton was elected president in November 1992 he was only 46 years and 3 months old! Oh and also, although he was governor of Arkansas for many years, Bill Clinton had very little Washington experience before he was elected president.

Obama has experience and it's valid experience. People just keep spewing he's inexperienced because the Clinton Machine has spun it to them so much they just take it as fact. It's not. Plus, Barack Obama is a very, very intelligent man and he surrounds himself with wise people. How do you think he got where he is?

You shouldn't be scared by his supposed "lack of experience" at all. He has experience. He is capable of doing the job. But I don't believe he is the best person for the job.

Obama wasn't state senator until 1997. Hillary has almost 8 years as Senator for NY but she also was doing political work as first lady so that's another 8 years. Plus back when Bill was governor of Arkansas in 1982 until 1992 she was still doing political type work as chair person and board member of a few different associations. So her experience expands far past Obama's. He just doesn't seem to have any real plans. If anyone's ever been on Hillary's website she has videos where she maps out her plans for different topics step by step. Even a person who isn't politically endowed can understand her plans because she explains things so adequately. Watching the debates I didn't get the feeling Obama had things quite figured out as well as Hillary. Frankly, I don't think Obama has enough brians or balls to face any real situations. I think he's all talk and no action.

Obama was elected to the Illinois state senate in 1996. Her experience does not far expand past Obama's at all. In a race you should only compare actual experience of being in public office, it's the only experience you can accurately measure. It's not wise to bring in being leader of advisory committees. If you do that then you have to mention Obama being director of various community projects in Chicago. Like I said, she's 60 years old. It's to be expected that she has more professional and life experience than Obama. Just like McCain has more professional, life and political experience than Hillary Clinton. What you said was complete hyperbole. Obama does have experience. Is he the most experienced candidate of the 3 frontrunners? Nope, but it's a bit silly to make a statement such as "he has no experience". And he has brains. I don't think very many people are saying he doesn't have the brains to be president. I think you've gone out on a limb with that one.

Edited January 9, 2008 at 03:29 PM by incognito

January 9, 2008 at 03:38 PM

American will not vote for a black man who happens to be muslim or was muslim , America is racist no matter what people say. I dont personaly have a good feeling about him i prefer Hillary.

January 9, 2008 at 03:54 PM

American will not vote for a black man who happens to be muslim or was muslim , America is racist no matter what people say. I dont personaly have a good feeling about him i prefer Hillary.

Well Iowa is a 94% white state and they voted for him but, you're right, so many will not vote for him simply because he's black. Especially in the south. Like I've already said... Obama is full of crap compared to Clinton and Edwards.

January 9, 2008 at 05:15 PM

Obama was elected to the Illinois state senate in 1996. Her experience does not far expand past Obama's at all. In a race you should only compare actual experience of being in public office, it's the only experience you can accurately measure. It's not wise to bring in being leader of advisory committees. If you do that then you have to mention Obama being director of various community projects in Chicago. Like I said, she's 60 years old. It's to be expected that she has more professional and life experience than Obama. Just like McCain has more professional, life and political experience than Hillary Clinton. What you said was complete hyperbole. Obama does have experience. Is he the most experienced candidate of the 3 frontrunners? Nope, but it's a bit silly to make a statement such as "he has no experience". And he has brains. I don't think very many people are saying he doesn't have the brains to be president. I think you've gone out on a limb with that one.

You said yourself actual experience was when someone has been in public office so even if he was elected in 1996 he didn't get in office unitl 1997. Though personally, I don't think it's right to disregard someones experience if they weren't actually in office. There are people who devote they're whole lives to politics but run for or win any office. I wouldn't say they had no experience. They're probably the sharpest people around. I said I think he didn't have ENOUGH brians for the job. And I do think people who don't support him feel the same. That's why they don't support him. Him not having enough experience was a debate from the begining by many people. I'm not alone in my belief. I hold to what I said. I DO NOT want this man for president because I don't think he can truley handle it.

January 9, 2008 at 05:24 PM

Obama was elected to the Illinois state senate in 1996. Her experience does not far expand past Obama's at all. In a race you should only compare actual experience of being in public office, it's the only experience you can accurately measure. It's not wise to bring in being leader of advisory committees. If you do that then you have to mention Obama being director of various community projects in Chicago. Like I said, she's 60 years old. It's to be expected that she has more professional and life experience than Obama. Just like McCain has more professional, life and political experience than Hillary Clinton. What you said was complete hyperbole. Obama does have experience. Is he the most experienced candidate of the 3 frontrunners? Nope, but it's a bit silly to make a statement such as "he has no experience". And he has brains. I don't think very many people are saying he doesn't have the brains to be president. I think you've gone out on a limb with that one.

You said yourself actual experience was when someone has been in public office so even if he was elected in 1996 he didn't get in office unitl 1997. Though personally, I don't think it's right to disregard someones experience if they weren't actually in office. There are people who devote they're whole lives to politics but run for or win any office. I wouldn't say they had no experience. They're probably the sharpest people around. I said I think he didn't have ENOUGH brians for the job. And I do think people who don't support him feel the same. That's why they don't support him. Him not having enough experience was a debate from the begining by many people. I'm not alone in my belief. I hold to what I said. I DO NOT want this man for president because I don't think he can truley handle it.

Fair enough.

But it's "brains" and not "brians". Unless you are suggesting that Obama doesn't have the support of enough guys named "Brian" to win. Maybe he has a connection with the Brian mafia and he's just giving us the word on the street.

January 18, 2008 at 12:48 AM

Okay, I was going keep politics out of my posts on this forum but I just found one of the best Hillary interviews. It was a recent interview on Nighly News. It's the extended version of the interview nearly 30 minutes long.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/22690079#22690079

January 24, 2008 at 02:45 PM

Hillary's a hypocrite and therefore cannot be trusted. She only cares to win and doesn't care about the people. It was quite brilliantly exposed in the movie sicko how her failed health care reform came crashing down (that was back when her husband was in office). When Barrack got the support of David Geffen, who was once a Clinton supporter, she asked Obama to return the money he received from Geffen because he bad mouthed her and her husband (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/21/clinton.obama/index.html). Give me a break! Is that really the kind of person you want as a president? She also came down hard on Canada a few days following 9/11 saying that terrorists had crossed the Canadian border to enter the USA and strongly suggested that Canada needed to reinforce their border. As we now know the terrorists actually lived here in the good ol' US of A.

She cannot be trusted to make judgment and comments based on her personal opinion instead of factual information. This will be a major mistake if she becomes the next president.

January 24, 2008 at 05:41 PM

And Obama can be trusted? I beg to differ. Someone who flip flops so much on the issues like he does can't be that trustworth either. Meredith Viera caught him in lying very recently in an interview. Apparently, Obama has selective memory as well as selective hearing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNnmDZiyusU

January 24, 2008 at 07:37 PM

Hillary totally PWND Obama in the last debate. He got really angry over nothing. He can't take criticism. The guy can't take the heat and so should get out of the kitchen. Edwards was right... they both need to stop squabbling. But Obama is doing himself no favors by getting so angry, so easily. And he's doing himself no favors talking up threats to attack a respected and popular guy like Bill Clinton. I tried to be fair about him but Obama just IRKS me.

January 24, 2008 at 08:26 PM

And Obama can be trusted? I beg to differ. Someone who flip flops so much on the issues like he does can't be that trustworth either. Meredith Viera caught him in lying very recently in an interview. Apparently, Obama has selective memory as well as selective hearing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNnmDZiyusU

Flip Flops? How about Hillary supporting the Iraq war back in 2003? And now see what she says about the war? What a friggin' joke. And y'all buying what she has to say about it. I smell double standard... :giggle: She's a very eloquent talker but that's all she can do: talk! She's as vile as Tatcher was when she was in power. :sick:

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