Is Celine still relevant in today's music world?

[billythebrit]

Las Vegas is where stars go to die. She was far too young to set up camp there. She removed herself from making music, being in the mainstream. She is something of a faded star. A lot of money was made, but nothing new was born. No good music. No art. No legacy. She'll leave the place pretty much as she found it. They'll just replace her with Bette Midler or more Elton John shows (who are both a few decades older than her, so suits them. Not someone in their 30s).

 

I don't think she is relevant any more. But she has always just been a singer. She's not an innovator like David Bowie. She hasn't invented a new sound like The Beatles. She doesn't write any of her songs. She doesn't reinvent or reflect what's going on in the underground club scene like Madonna. She is famous for singing love songs that Streisand could have performed three decades earlier.

 

And I think that's how you should accept her - as a singer.

 

Just a shame therefore, that in the star-studded An Audience with Celine Dion, to be broadcast in the United Kingdom later this year, that the woman who is known for her voice and only her voice, chose to lip-synch 95% of the show. Her trip round Europe did not go down well with fans or those in the media. You can't be known as the greatest voice in pop when all you do is mime.

[smw]

I could not disagree with you more.

 

Celine has made a massive imprint on the history of Las Vegas - and entertainment in general. Her show will be talked about for years and years. She made a brave move - and I'm sure many other people of her stature (Madonna, Mariah, etc.) were jealous of that brilliant career move.

 

Yes, she removed herself from the mainstream, but now she's back - and she will show everyone what she's been doing. Not to mention the DVD. And it's not like if she had never done Vegas, then her albums would be hitting number one! She needed to do what she did.

[nrcda88]

I found this article today & I think its a pretty good answer to this topic title (considering it could be from a non member of the forum or even a non-Celine fan)

 

http://www.mysinchew.com/node/11173

Edited May 29, 2008 at 03:21 PM by Nikkel

[bonninpili]

I found this article today & I think its a pretty good answer to this topic title (considering it could be from a non member of the forum or even a non-Celine fan)

 

http://www.mysinchew.com/node/11173

 

 

 

Very good article!!! Thanks.

[VinnyT.]

Yes it is!TCH sold more than 3 million world wide and maybe other singers of her same level will never sell that much during those days

[CelineFanInSoCal]

I found this article today & I think its a pretty good answer to this topic title (considering it could be from a non member of the forum or even a non-Celine fan)

 

http://www.mysinchew.com/node/11173

 

 

That's a decent article, though, I find it odd that it's a new article. Seems like someone is slightly behind the times in writing articles. LOL

 

Nevertheless, with regards to being relevant... read the last paragraph of the article:

 

"While it is still unclear if she will be gaining new fans with her new sound, it is clear that her venture into previously untouched genres does nothing to alienate her fans of previous hits. Dion proves that although she may have pushed her comfort zone, musically, she is still an artist who remains relevant to the pop world and is not afraid to work hard to stay that way."

 

To me, a part of considering an artist "relevant", would be if they're able to attract new ears to their voice [or eyes to their art, or dancers to their sound, etc.], and I'm not quite certain Celine will ever truly attract any new segment of the world's population with her music nowadays. Maybe another smash hit movie theme to attract the world's ear [but hasn't she said she didn't want to do anything like that simply because it's too much publicity, etc, and she isn't interested in that type of of work anymore?]. I don't know what it would take to be able to make some noise in the music community right now.

 

I think she will continue to surround herself with awesome writers, producers and musicians and will therefor continue to be able to record great stuff, but we've hit on a similar topic on other threads: she's not the "same" Celine we know from the 90's. Taking Chances seems musically relevant because she's using writer and producers who are familiar with today's music. That's the only way Celine will continue to be relevant, in my opinion. It's a good thing Mego doesn't arrange and produce her album stuff, otherwise everything would sound the exact same. LOL

 

Bottom line, I think that her sound and style are timeless, but she'll continue to add a few interesting tracks to each album. [To me, Taking Chances has a great number of interesting, unexpected tracks] She has a HUGE base of die-hard fans [ for us!], which is who is keeping her going at this time in her career, but it would be awesome if one day, others would just accept her for a great vocalist and forget all the crappy anti-diva, bla bla anti-Celine stuff from years ago.

 

I personally have recruited a new fan recently. He didn't really like her, but I listen to Celine so much he had to listen to her, too. I also showed him youtube.com videos, the A New Day... DVD and even took him with me to the taping of the 'Woman in Me..." TV Special. Since then, he's grown to appreciate her as a singer, and even found her stage presence to be kinda cool, but through none of this has Taking Chances been an inspiration to him finally enjoying her as an artist, it's just kinda been me pushing Celine on him. LOL

[maceta_biloxi]

Well, Celine is one of the biggest names out there and she has an enormous legacy not just in english but in french and even by singing 1 or 2 songs in other languages she earned fans from so many different countries. Is like he has built her empire, she has her fans her followers. The questions was, is Celine relevant for the music industry, i think so but i think it would be bigger and better if her team care for promotion, even Celine herself says in the concert "this my new from from my new album" and start singing taking chances... i mean wow! what about alone and eyes on me!!! She doesn't know that those songs are out and actually eyes in me is the newest song out there... i think is a communication problem with her team... i think it was in a D'elles interview that she said something like she doesn't care about publishing and singles being release and stuff like that, she just sing because she loves to sing, she is not thinking about money... her team is. Most of the new listeners out there just know Celine because of titanic and that's it... why she is so big? because she already have her empire and fans... now is time to enjoy the glory... if you turn on the radio the music is very different what the young kids are listening to is very different of what they are recording. We love her and we love her music but is not what the people out there are listening to.

[Nmj]

Yes

-Nmj

[Angel, You thrill me]

i'm sorry, so very sorry, but htis topic is a little dumb (sorry) someone who sells over 3 million copies of an album is relevent ,some one who sells out there tour is relevent, not just anyone can do those things,even whoriah carey is struggling with her sh!tty album. if you ask me e=mc2 is proof that whoriahs star is fading.....NO SH!IT SHE'S RELEVENT!!!, (sorry)

[Davey84]

It's a good thing Mego doesn't arrange and produce her album stuff, otherwise everything would sound the exact same. LOL

 

I totally so not agree with that!! Haven't you heard the intro for EOM on the tour??? It's so amazing! It kinda makes EOM sound very dull IMO I think he creates really amazing music, and he does a lot of great work on her songs, to make them appealing live (the new music for SM in AND), or have a great ending live (ABM)... to me it has always been a wonder why he never did anything musically for Céline for an album! So much talent under her nose and never used for studio recordings

[Javito]

It's a good thing Mego doesn't arrange and produce her album stuff, otherwise everything would sound the exact same. LOL

 

I totally so not agree with that!! Haven't you heard the intro for EOM on the tour??? It's so amazing! It kinda makes EOM sound very dull IMO I think he creates really amazing music, and he does a lot of great work on her songs, to make them appealing live (the new music for SM in AND), or have a great ending live (ABM)... to me it has always been a wonder why he never did anything musically for Céline for an album! So much talent under her nose and never used for studio recordings

 

If don't remember wrong, the studio version of All By Myself was recorded with all members of Céline's band playing the instruments . I remeber reading in the credits the names of all her band including Mego So they have participated in one of Céline's most famous hit

Edited May 29, 2008 at 09:31 PM by Gonzalillo

[Davey84]

oke oke 1 song that doesn't make it groundbreaking also David Foster produced it, not Mego... but you got my point

 

AHA David foster: piano, producer, arranger

mego: keyboards

 

see he didn't even do that much for the music of the song I think

Edited May 29, 2008 at 10:06 PM by Davey84

[destin139]

I found this article today & I think its a pretty good answer to this topic title (considering it could be from a non member of the forum or even a non-Celine fan)

 

http://www.mysinchew.com/node/11173

 

thanks for the article - its great - i think it sums everything up perfectly!!

[I Surrender]

Really good article. It says it all I think.

[corr_azy]

Celine is still relevant, no doubt. But definitely not in terms of record sales or chart positions. I think what she's known for is her older hits and how her voice has shaped a generation of younger singers. However, I think that for her to continue staying relevant, she has to go back to doing what she's best at: her adult contemporary songs. Taking Chances was a step in the wrong direction for her. If Celine wants to continue staying relevant, she has to do what Barbra Streisand has one to maintain such a long and successful career: simply to do what she is best at. There's no need to try to fit in the current market because that's simply not who she is as an artist. And her current fanbase is mostly made up of her older fans, and that's who she should focus on. Edited May 30, 2008 at 01:38 AM by corr_azy

[aicee]

We should kick Sony's #s_ for this.

[CelineFanInSoCal]

i'm sorry, so very sorry, but htis topic is a little dumb (sorry) someone who sells over 3 million copies of an album is relevent ,some one who sells out there tour is relevent, not just anyone can do those things,even whoriah carey is struggling with her sh!tty album. if you ask me e=mc2 is proof that whoriahs star is fading.....NO SH!IT SHE'S RELEVENT!!!, (sorry)

 

 

Well your post just goes to show that not all young folks are interested in Hanna Montana or that kinda stuff... good for you.

 

But album sales and sold out tour dates don't "cement" someone as being relevant.

 

Album sales: A solid figure for a good album, but mostly supported by her die-hard fan base. Not staggering numbers where it's obvious that she's selling albums to a large number of non-fans.

 

Tour: Again, die hard fans. And yeah, there are still plenty more people out there who are buying tickets to her show simply to say that they were able to finally see her live. I would also venture to admit that a hefty portion of tickets are sold because someone "has to go with _____", where the blank would be girlfriend, boyfriend, husband, wife, etc.

 

If the birth year in your profile is accurate, then you may not understand when other, older fans compare Celine to Barbra Streisand and the like. The Celine we have now, post-Vegas, 40 years old, finally a mother and finally enjoying more of what life has to offer and enjoying the money she's earned, isn't interested in the same things that the Celine of the 90's is interested in. There are, however, still plenty of hardcore fans out there who will continue to buy her new albums and tickets to her concerts due to their devotion as a fan. This does not prove current-day musical relevance, not for Celine or any other artist. Rather, it proves a strong fan base from previous success, which is what the bulk of her current success for album sales and tour tickets can be attributed to.

 

And again, Mariah/E=MC2 is not something that can be compared to Celine/Taking Chances. Maybe 10 years ago they were "rivals", but nowadays, we aren't comparing the two artists. Celine's moved on from that part of her career.

 

Let Celine continue to do her thing, and let the millions of fans that she has love her for the artist and person she is. Musical relevance in 2008 is different than in 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999 and 2000. Those years were so themed by certain genres, groups and sounds. 2008's music is different on many levels. Musical relevance is more personal than mainstream for many segments of the population.

[Angel, You thrill me]

i'm sorry, so very sorry, but htis topic is a little dumb (sorry) someone who sells over 3 million copies of an album is relevent ,some one who sells out there tour is relevent, not just anyone can do those things,even whoriah carey is struggling with her sh!tty album. if you ask me e=mc2 is proof that whoriahs star is fading.....NO SH!IT SHE'S RELEVENT!!!, (sorry)

 

 

Well your post just goes to show that not all young folks are interested in Hanna Montana or that kinda stuff... good for you.

 

But album sales and sold out tour dates don't "cement" someone as being relevant.

 

Album sales: A solid figure for a good album, but mostly supported by her die-hard fan base. Not staggering numbers where it's obvious that she's selling albums to a large number of non-fans.

 

Tour: Again, die hard fans. And yeah, there are still plenty more people out there who are buying tickets to her show simply to say that they were able to finally see her live. I would also venture to admit that a hefty portion of tickets are sold because someone "has to go with _____", where the blank would be girlfriend, boyfriend, husband, wife, etc.

 

If the birth year in your profile is accurate, then you may not understand when other, older fans compare Celine to Barbra Streisand and the like. The Celine we have now, post-Vegas, 40 years old, finally a mother and finally enjoying more of what life has to offer and enjoying the money she's earned, isn't interested in the same things that the Celine of the 90's is interested in. There are, however, still plenty of hardcore fans out there who will continue to buy her new albums and tickets to her concerts due to their devotion as a fan. This does not prove current-day musical relevance, not for Celine or any other artist. Rather, it proves a strong fan base from previous success, which is what the bulk of her current success for album sales and tour tickets can be attributed to.

 

And again, Mariah/E=MC2 is not something that can be compared to Celine/Taking Chances. Maybe 10 years ago they were "rivals", but nowadays, we aren't comparing the two artists. Celine's moved on from that part of her career.

 

Let Celine continue to do her thing, and let the millions of fans that she has love her for the artist and person she is. Musical relevance in 2008 is different than in 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999 and 2000. Those years were so themed by certain genres, groups and sounds. 2008's music is different on many levels. Musical relevance is more personal than mainstream for many segments of the population.

 

well i think the fact that people when refering to a big voice in the industry or a very successful woman, most of the time use Celine, Whitney and mariah as examples. So the respect and acknowledgment given to her as a memoralable figure in the music industry within its self shows a relevant and respected presence within the in industry.

[zoea2812]

Of course Celine is still relevant in todays music industry. Thats like saying are The Beatles still relevant? O f course they are.

She is never going to keep up the momentum she once had because she removed herself from the charts whilst doing Vegas. But I do feel that Sony need to do more promotion of the Taking Chances album and of the singles as they do not get played at all in England.

Celine is brilliant and a lot of people feel the same way i do or the tour would not have had as many sold out shows as it has had.

[koocachoo]

Relevent. Still the greatest singer around.

[Jacqui]

I don't know what payolla is...

 

I think she is relevant, though. Even if she doesn't have the number 1 single in the world right now, everyone knows who she is, and how successful she is. Hundreds of new artists list her as an influence and an inspiration. She has millions of fans who love her and would do anything for her. So even if she's not the "coolest" thing right now, she's more successful than most.

[koocachoo]

I don't know what payolla is...

 

Payolla is how Mimi got all her no 1's. Basically record companies pays radio to play the song.

[john]

Celine Dion is a great singer, more does not know that it is happening, TC is a good, strong album very total different, what it needed to be in the top simply is advertisings, advertisings on of it, where they are new singles that they are not launched, where are the clips for the advertisings, it is in turne, more I find that time was to want had one to record some thing. Celine and René alone estao now worried about the Tour nothing more moreover, I wait that when it starts tour for America that has some advertising on of the album. Here in Brazil it total is forgotten, nobody more speaks of it for aki since 2003, all finds that it stopped, fans are rebelled with this, a woman who works in the Sony& BMG of Brazil said that the guilt not to have promotions of the Celine is here that the mounts of money come of the sales of the last album of the artist, if the sales will be good the Sony& International BMG sends excellent mounts of money, if they will not be the mounts of money are few, then of the one not to make a great promotion on of the artist.

 

in who to believe, Sony Celine, René?

 

Sorry for my english!!

[smw]

She's got to better her image in the U.S. - and needs to regain respect in Canada. Her silly, almost awkward nature during American interviews has made A LOT of people turn against her. Compare her interviews from today to those back in the late 90s - she is much more animated and silly. And there is nothing wrong with that - but people just hate it about her. If people could see a genuine Celine (I think the most genuine is the interview from the DVD - and they showed clips on Oprah), then people could relate to her more.

 

She is one of the great living singers - and therefore should ALWAYS make music until she dies. Her music will live on much longer than any of us. She will have a forum of fans 100 years from now. I'm proud to be a fan of her today and now while she IS alive.

 

But, anyway, she just needs to drop some of that awkwardness in interviews - which is hard, with the language barrier - and try to be genuine. Singing "My Love" on Leno would be a nice step forward.

[nick1975]

Las Vegas is where stars go to die. She was far too young to set up camp there. She removed herself from making music, being in the mainstream. She is something of a faded star. A lot of money was made, but nothing new was born. No good music. No art. No legacy. She'll leave the place pretty much as she found it. They'll just replace her with Bette Midler or more Elton John shows (who are both a few decades older than her, so suits them. Not someone in their 30s).

 

I don't think she is relevant any more. But she has always just been a singer. She's not an innovator like David Bowie. She hasn't invented a new sound like The Beatles. She doesn't write any of her songs. She doesn't reinvent or reflect what's going on in the underground club scene like Madonna. She is famous for singing love songs that Streisand could have performed three decades earlier.

 

And I think that's how you should accept her - as a singer.

 

Just a shame therefore, that in the star-studded An Audience with Celine Dion, to be broadcast in the United Kingdom later this year, that the woman who is known for her voice and only her voice, chose to lip-synch 95% of the show. Her trip round Europe did not go down well with fans or those in the media. You can't be known as the greatest voice in pop when all you do is mime.

 

 

right, right, right

couldn't agree more

[Javito]

She's got to better her image in the U.S. - and needs to regain respect in Canada. Her silly, almost awkward nature during American interviews has made A LOT of people turn against her. Compare her interviews from today to those back in the late 90s - she is much more animated and silly. And there is nothing wrong with that - but people just hate it about her. If people could see a genuine Celine (I think the most genuine is the interview from the DVD - and they showed clips on Oprah), then people could relate to her more.

 

Of course there's nothing wrong with that, except that it would be desirable that she talked sometimes about her music and not all the time about her son and family . That's what I think people can't stand about her and thats what they turned against her. She's a singer, please be a mom in your private life!

[zoea2812]

I will always love Celine whether she sells one million albums or just one. She is the best and always will be.

[CellyDee87]

Celine is absolutely relevant to us her fans but when we consider the wider public I probably have to answer no. I think it's also a bit hard to direct this question at Celine fans, as we will of course hold some kind of bias. I think you have to ask an outsider this question and as I try and convert people to Celine they still seem to be caught up in the stigma of My Heart Will Go On and letting her career die in Vegas, of course they do not see it from the stance that I would and the fact that she has accomplished so much more in between, but as for the wider public I think they would answer that her music is not relevant at this point in this music industry.

(I still happen to think she is the best thing that ever happened to the music industry though!)

[corr_azy]

i'm sorry, so very sorry, but htis topic is a little dumb (sorry) someone who sells over 3 million copies of an album is relevent ,some one who sells out there tour is relevent, not just anyone can do those things,even whoriah carey is struggling with her sh!tty album. if you ask me e=mc2 is proof that whoriahs star is fading.....NO SH!IT SHE'S RELEVENT!!!, (sorry)

 

 

Well your post just goes to show that not all young folks are interested in Hanna Montana or that kinda stuff... good for you.

 

But album sales and sold out tour dates don't "cement" someone as being relevant.

 

Album sales: A solid figure for a good album, but mostly supported by her die-hard fan base. Not staggering numbers where it's obvious that she's selling albums to a large number of non-fans.

 

Tour: Again, die hard fans. And yeah, there are still plenty more people out there who are buying tickets to her show simply to say that they were able to finally see her live. I would also venture to admit that a hefty portion of tickets are sold because someone "has to go with _____", where the blank would be girlfriend, boyfriend, husband, wife, etc.

 

If the birth year in your profile is accurate, then you may not understand when other, older fans compare Celine to Barbra Streisand and the like. The Celine we have now, post-Vegas, 40 years old, finally a mother and finally enjoying more of what life has to offer and enjoying the money she's earned, isn't interested in the same things that the Celine of the 90's is interested in. There are, however, still plenty of hardcore fans out there who will continue to buy her new albums and tickets to her concerts due to their devotion as a fan. This does not prove current-day musical relevance, not for Celine or any other artist. Rather, it proves a strong fan base from previous success, which is what the bulk of her current success for album sales and tour tickets can be attributed to.

 

And again, Mariah/E=MC2 is not something that can be compared to Celine/Taking Chances. Maybe 10 years ago they were "rivals", but nowadays, we aren't comparing the two artists. Celine's moved on from that part of her career.

 

Let Celine continue to do her thing, and let the millions of fans that she has love her for the artist and person she is. Musical relevance in 2008 is different than in 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999 and 2000. Those years were so themed by certain genres, groups and sounds. 2008's music is different on many levels. Musical relevance is more personal than mainstream for many segments of the population.

 

Well said.

[godessceline]

As a performer, yes, as a recording artist, no. Which is 100 % fine by me, as the artists that "count" in today's music world are all r&b/hip hop/rap anyway. Edited June 3, 2008 at 04:26 PM by godessceline