Céline singing with her diaphragm or throat nowadays?

[Céline's Blues]

I was wondering - this is the question for all the vocally skilled among us here - whether Céline tends now to sing with her throat or with her diaphragm? In my subjective impression it seems that she has used the throat heavily throughout the 90's and now as well. Also does she use her diaphragm at all?

[celinelover50]

well i think Celine started use her diaphragm during TCOMY and then perfected the technique during FIY. but baecause of her time off etc i think she lost her technique and has reverted back to a simple singers technique. she has lost the qualitiy and power of her voice ...which is why i am saying this.....BUT i still love her!

[Céline's Blues]

I think all the "power she has lost" can be trained back in by a good vocal coach, can't it? Either Céline is happy with what she has now or she doesn't know shhh about vocals but the first option is more likely of course. haha

 

Anyhow I hope we can get some opinions about Céline's use of diaphragm from ppl from here.

[Tal]

There are actually these great vids on Youtube from a vocal coach that shows the proper way to sing and warm up. She has to sing from her diaphragm because that is what gives you the power and control. For example, that looooong note in IKILY could not be sustained that long if she didn't know how to control her diaphragm, therefore controlling how quickly or slowly the air is released.

 

But I think what you are saying is two different things. You dont sing from you diaphragm...you sing with it. Whereas your throat is one of the places your voice resonates, making it a place you can sing from.

[Macaronie]

I wish how to pronounce diaphragm

[Tal]

die (like 'i want to die') - uh - fram (rhymes with ham)

[Céline's Blues]

OK, thanks, Tal. So I have to assume to better her voice or to maintain her control she's bound to train her diaphragm all the time?

 

And I can't believe someone called Jererererererererrererereorororororororoorororororen can't pronouce something as easy as diaphragm! LOL

[amelie]

well i think Celine started use her diaphragm during TCOMY and then perfected the technique during FIY. but baecause of her time off etc i think she lost her technique and has reverted back to a simple singers technique. she has lost the qualitiy and power of her voice ...which is why i am saying this.....BUT i still love her!

 

i don't think this is accurate... at all...

u just concetrate on lowering your diaphragm instead of filling your chest when you breathe.that way you breath properly, relaxed and have a better control when you release it.that needs training but i don't think she lost that.whatever is going wrong if we can say so , must have something to do with the upper respiratory system...throat and above.something that systematically hurts her throat (some mild medical condition, an allergy maybe dunno whatever) + singing a lot can make things very hard for her.if she's not very healthy or feels tired (which seems to be the case) she can't have that power you're talking about in her voice, everything reflects on it

resting, training vocally a bit everyday, good physical condtion and hydration are very very important...

 

i'm not an expert really, but that's what i believe from what i know

Edited April 16, 2007 at 05:41 PM by amelie

[celinelover50]

There are actually these great vids on Youtube from a vocal coach that shows the proper way to sing and warm up. She has to sing from her diaphragm because that is what gives you the power and control. For example, that looooong note in IKILY could not be sustained that long if she didn't know how to control her diaphragm, therefore controlling how quickly or slowly the air is released.

 

But I think what you are saying is two different things. You dont sing from you diaphragm...you sing with it. Whereas your throat is one of the places your voice resonates, making it a place you can sing from.

 

 

i do agree with what you say....however

in the studio there is away of extending vocals etc.....when celine performed IKILY at the oscars she never did that loooong part....she cut it short etc so that tells me celine has lost the use of her diaphragm! thats also the reason why (in my opinion...relating to another topic) that the song THE REASON was not added to A New Day along with RDMH as they would fit amazingly together!

[Macaronie]

OK, thanks, Tal. So I have to assume to better her voice or to maintain her control she's bound to train her diaphragm all the time?

 

And I can't believe someone called Jererererererererrererereorororororororoorororororen can't pronouce something as easy as diaphragm! LOL

At least I know how to spell 'pronounce'!

 

There's a g in it, so that's why I wondered.

 

Talli

[Céline's Blues]

Don't be so smart Jererereroororororororen! OR else you can join amelie and Mathias you know where!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Macaronie]

I don't. I never read your posts about your fantasies with them!

 

On topic, I agree with Talli.

[amelie]

OK, thanks, Tal. So I have to assume to better her voice or to maintain her control she's bound to train her diaphragm all the time?

 

And I can't believe someone called Jererererererererrererereorororororororoorororororen can't pronouce something as easy as diaphragm! LOL

At least I know how to spell 'pronounce'!

 

 

its a greek word...u do hear the "g" letter when spelled in greek (well the respective one) but i don'tknow what happens when it comes to english

[maykonprincess]

technically speaking, in order to sing you need to use your diaphragm no matter what. It's a respiratory muscle. Using "throat" does not really exist. unless you are terming it throat, when you mean nasal? You vocal folds are found in your larnynx, they rub together with air pressure to make sound. The diaphragm is needed for respiratory function.

[KimboCosmo]

OK, thanks, Tal. So I have to assume to better her voice or to maintain her control she's bound to train her diaphragm all the time?

 

And I can't believe someone called Jererererererererrererereorororororororoorororororen can't pronouce something as easy as diaphragm! LOL

At least I know how to spell 'pronounce'!

 

 

its a greek word...u do hear the "g" letter when spelled in greek (well the respective one) but i don'tknow what happens when it comes to english

We do have alot of words in English that the "g" is silent. I guess that could be confusing! We have other letters that are silent in some words too. Sometimes H or P sometimes S...crazy I know...but that's what I'm thinking about the French language as I try to learn it right now...so I understand where the confusment would come from! Because I'm confused!! Some words look like they should sound like something totally different than what they are pronouncing them as!

[ajguerras]

Well definetly, she is not singing the same way that in 90´s , obviously her voice is not being trained as it used to.... and in the other hand human voice gets damaged as much as we abuse of it (200 shows per year would???)...

So I don´t think she would work to get her voice completly back, now she is enjoying her life, her son, family and fame... and I agree with her... she has nothing to proof... She already showed she really sings---

So let´s move on to a new stage...

Edited April 16, 2007 at 07:11 PM by ajguerras

[smw]

she has lost the qualitiy and power of her voice ...

 

I hardly agree with you. The power remains--but it's not as "trained", because she actually has a life now.

 

As far as quality, she still has enormous quality in her vocals. In Las Vegas, Celine peforms so often that she has had to find a way to not strain her voice---making her sound "not so perfect". And we are used to her sounding perfect. So through the years of this non-straining singing, she has lost some of her technique, but she still has quality AND power.

[celine5-5]

i don't really think she lost really anything, i think she just performs A LOT now and has come up with a technique that is "good enough" but not to the quality it was when she was younger. i think that after vegas and some rest, i think her live singing will return to what it once was and it won't be so nasally.

[celine5-5]

then again, think of how many people she's better than. she can outsing almost anyone even half her age, so why is everyone worried?

[Der_Griffon]

Actually, in my opinion, she started rapidly losing her voice from 1998 on... Vocally Au Coeur Du Stade is not at all like Live a Paris for instance... And La Derniere de Celine is unbearable at most, especially when thinking of S'il suffisait d'aimer... AND on the CD is simply bearable and some of the bootlegs we have from the show are very very sad and tragic... I usually skip I'm Alive, because it is a nightmare without exception... One of my other idols lost her voice too, so it's nothing new... and this other one was, after all, the best singer there was... La Divina, Maria Callas... So, let's be happy with the studio recordings, shall we? ))

[Shaun]

Celine has been to the "school of life" since Rene Charles was born and no longer is as disciplined as she used to be. That has absolutely had a telling effect on her voice however it is clear that she can still do it when she wants to, just look at the performance of "Summertime" not too long ago.

[Céline's Blues]

Actually, in my opinion, she started rapidly losing her voice from 1998 on... Vocally Au Coeur Du Stade is not at all like Live a Paris for instance... And La Derniere de Celine is unbearable at most, especially when thinking of S'il suffisait d'aimer... AND on the CD is simply bearable and some of the bootlegs we have from the show are very very sad and tragic... I usually skip I'm Alive, because it is a nightmare without exception... One of my other idols lost her voice too, so it's nothing new... and this other one was, after all, the best singer there was... La Divina, Maria Callas... So, let's be happy with the studio recordings, shall we? ))

 

Good god, let's not go overbroad with this! LMAO Céline has not lost her voice in any sense of this word. Please, do not compare her to Callas as the latter ruined her voice herself! Céline takes care of hers and this thread is not about the deterioration but about Céline's use of diaphragm. I beg to differ!

[celinerific]

Omigod. Ahahahaha! When I first read the title of this topic I thought you meant diaphragm as in the sex contraceptive device.

 

Anyway. I do believe Celine can sing beatifully if she wanted to, it's true that she's sounding like her TCOML era again a little bit, but that's not a big deal. I still think she sounds AMAZING, and her voice is so much more stronger and more powerful. At least I think so. She's just putting family first, as always.

Edited April 16, 2007 at 09:53 PM by celinerific

[celine5-5]

Who are we kidding, celine always sings beautifully. It's just sometimes she's like "Hmm, find the most nasally sound possible and use it for my singing voice? O.K." But really, I think she's just trying not to strain her voice too much.

[firebird]

It's kind of hard to learn how to breathe with the diaphragm, because most people tend to breathe with their lungs. I think singers use it because they can create a better volume in their voice with it.

[celinelover50]

Omigod. Ahahahaha! When I first read the title of this topic I thought you meant diaphragm as in the sex contraceptive device.

 

 

thats just funnily amazing!

 

look people dont get ott on this one....we all love celine! especially me! (LOL) im not saying she can no longer sing...she can sing....but her power and technique has now gone ....i dont even think celine would deny that...and she hasnt in interviews.

im all for her enjoying life as i would rather idolise (as i do) an amazing person who looks after themselves and those around them. who enjoys life and brings joy to others....is that not celine?

 

to say celine has lost her power is true look at the notes she now hits! she cant hit the same notes in IACBTMN, MHWGO, IDAN, and even IS....the latest bootleg of that song sounded horrid! but then again she can still sing RDMH but if you look at other performances of it she cant even hit the same notes in that! so i do think celines power has gone!

 

BUT I STILL LOVE THE ONE AND ONLY CELINE DION and i blinking always will no matter what!

Edited April 17, 2007 at 09:23 AM by celinelover50

[Der_Griffon]

Actually, in my opinion, she started rapidly losing her voice from 1998 on... Vocally Au Coeur Du Stade is not at all like Live a Paris for instance... And La Derniere de Celine is unbearable at most, especially when thinking of S'il suffisait d'aimer... AND on the CD is simply bearable and some of the bootlegs we have from the show are very very sad and tragic... I usually skip I'm Alive, because it is a nightmare without exception... One of my other idols lost her voice too, so it's nothing new... and this other one was, after all, the best singer there was... La Divina, Maria Callas... So, let's be happy with the studio recordings, shall we? ))

 

Good god, let's not go overbroad with this! LMAO Céline has not lost her voice in any sense of this word. Please, do not compare her to Callas as the latter ruined her voice herself! Céline takes care of hers and this thread is not about the deterioration but about Céline's use of diaphragm. I beg to differ!

 

Actually it is not as far fetched as it seems... If she seriously doesn't start doing anything for her singing technique and gets it back in shape she is going to ruin her voice too... And actually what I was talking is more or less, say, the results from what your topic )) Of course she's not lost it in the literal sense, but she has to start doing something about it... And use her diaphragm, and lungs, and throat, and keep the nose away if possible and make us all stop worriyng about that, just show us the top form we were all used to in the nineties:)

[Céline's Blues]

Actually, in my opinion, she started rapidly losing her voice from 1998 on... Vocally Au Coeur Du Stade is not at all like Live a Paris for instance... And La Derniere de Celine is unbearable at most, especially when thinking of S'il suffisait d'aimer... AND on the CD is simply bearable and some of the bootlegs we have from the show are very very sad and tragic... I usually skip I'm Alive, because it is a nightmare without exception... One of my other idols lost her voice too, so it's nothing new... and this other one was, after all, the best singer there was... La Divina, Maria Callas... So, let's be happy with the studio recordings, shall we? ))

 

Good god, let's not go overbroad with this! LMAO Céline has not lost her voice in any sense of this word. Please, do not compare her to Callas as the latter ruined her voice herself! Céline takes care of hers and this thread is not about the deterioration but about Céline's use of diaphragm. I beg to differ!

 

Actually it is not as far fetched as it seems... If she seriously doesn't start doing anything for her singing technique and gets it back in shape she is going to ruin her voice too... And actually what I was talking is more or less, say, the results from what your topic )) Of course she's not lost it in the literal sense, but she has to start doing something about it... And use her diaphragm, and lungs, and throat, and keep the nose away if possible and make us all stop worriyng about that, just show us the top form we were all used to in the nineties:)

Not far fetched!? I mean truly there's absolutely No difference between a fine vocal shape Céline is in now and losing her voice! Her voice was in continous deterioration ever she has started to sing and there's not much you can do it. It's a natural demise. But seemingly she refuses to ba a damn SALVE to her voice like she was in the 90's and it's INHUMAN of some fans here to demand she should take greater care of her voice. I think what she does now is the best of the two worlds. She's sounding just fine and you NEVER should stop in time and pretend that Céline ALWAYS sounded like she did in 1996. Back then she was getting sick all the time, her organism was heavily strained due to touring and rigorous vocal discipline, she wasn't herself. And there's no denying that she chose to live wit her voice instead of for her voice.

 

I wanted to have some info on Céline's current vocal technique, not about the natural deterioration of her voice which is inevitable and especially hurtful for those still living in 1996.

[celinefanonline]

well if she keep training.. (probably some time but not that much as before) and keep silence for like days i believe she still can be like in top form..

[Dreamer]

Hey guys you don't sing with the diaphragm or throat. When she sings with the throat she is using her diaphragm. The diference is using the chest voice or the head voice.

the head voice is used for long notes and hight notes. It's the voice that opera singers use.

chest voice for the medium notes. It's the voice that popular singers use.

 

In 93 Celine started using a lot the head voice, nowadays she uses mostly the chest voice, which uses the diaphragm but do not need as much space as using the head voice.

 

Let's just give and example, when she sang I surrender live she is clearly using her diaphragm, if not she won't be able to hold that looooong note. You see?