Why Celine isn't selling as well as before?

[max24]

Let's talk about this. Many of you will say that it isn't important. But it is.....Do you remember times of Falling into you and Let's talk about love. She was on the top. An now? What is the reason? Her songs aren't good? Her promotion sucks? What's wrong?

[thevoice]

one word - sony:pinch:

they couldnt care less about her and the promotion of her music . they choose the wrong songs to be released as singles and when they release those songs they r doing it too late and just to AC formats and not to mainstream radio stations . that way it's just impossible for celine to have a hit record in the U.S. or anywhere else .

 

celine can promote herself on TV shows , interviews and she is doing her job...that's why her first week sales r higher than ever...the problem is the long term - when u dont have a radio hit the album is fading a way real quick .

i'm sad to say that i dont see any change coming...celine is going to stay with sony and her next english album would probably not sell more than 3 million copies worldwide .

Edited December 15, 2005 at 12:35 PM by thevoice

[Boy]

Perhaps, the first thing to say is that Celine is still selling very very well. Take Miracle, for instance! There was some promotion in the US but there was hardly anywhere else in the world and what? 5 million copies are sold to date!

 

Sony is just . They really couldn't care less about the promotion of Celine's new songs. Although her albums are still sellling very well. ANDHC was sold 13 million copies worldwide, One Heart was sold 8 million copies which also a GREAT result, Miracle was sold 5 million + many copies of her previous album are still selling well. By the time Celine's show in Vegas had been opend she sold 155 million copies of her cds (album only, not counting the singles!) and now what? It's more than 180 million copies! More than 25 million copies worldwide in about two years and a half! Isnt' that good? Yeah, it's not like used to be 10 years ago but times have changed! Lots of people download music form the web and lots of people buy unlicensed copies of her cds!

 

Her songs aren't good?

 

Don't think that's the problem. Every song she records becomes a hit whether it's some uptempo song like You & I (#1 in her native Canada and not a flop in the US) or some ballad like Je ne vous oublie pas.

[thevoice]

Perhaps, the first thing to say is that Celine is still selling very very well. Take Miracle, for instance! There was some promotion in the US but there was hardly anywhere else in the world and what? 5 million copies are sold to date!

 

Sony is just  . They really couldn't care less about the promotion of Celine's new songs. Although her albums are still sellling very well. ANDHC was sold 13 million copies worldwide, One Heart was sold 8 million  copies which also a GREAT result, Miracle was sold 5 million + many copies of her previous album are still selling well. By the time Celine's show in Vegas had been opend she sold 155 million copies of her cds (album only, not counting the singles!) and now what? It's more than 180 million copies! More than 25 million copies worldwide in about two years and a half! Isnt' that good? Yeah, it's not like used to be 10 years ago but times have changed! Lots of people download music form the web and lots of people buy unlicensed copies of her cds!

 

Her songs aren't good?

 

Don't think that's the problem. Every song she records becomes a hit whether it's some uptempo song like You & I (#1 in her native Canada and not a flop in the US) or some ballad like Je ne vous oublie pas.

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your facts r not true . MIRACLE sold around 1.5 million copies worldwide and ONE HEART around 4 million.

[Céline's Blues]

There is only one answer to that question - not that Céline is selling very badly in comparison to her current peers - she is still doing fairly well, but this time she doesn'T tour. Let's be honest and say that Sony NEVER properly promoted Céline. They screwed up every single album promo of hers and the only person who promoted them was Céline who went from talk show to talk show from country to country and sang her #ss off doing THREE WORLD TOURS almost without breaks! And if she had breaks she got a new album to record which then again needed to be promoted... I mean how ridiculously workoholic one can get?

 

Now Céline doesn't tour at all and does a sparse promo that is either focused on the US market or on the French/Quebec market. No touring is involved. People can't hear the news on their local radio stations about Céline being next week in their city, they can't hear her new songs, they can't be won for this new CD of hers. And we all know Céline fans are not the casual RNB/Urban radio listeners. They are mostly grown persons with already clearly defined musical taste which happens to involve their admiration for Céline's voice and her romantic songs.

 

I would say Sony is still going on with their couldn't care less attitude seeing Céline as their milk cow, but times have changed and Céline isn't bringing much money to their bank account cuzz she has simply and willingly chosen to settle down for a moment to take care of her family and make some SERIOUS money for herself by commiting herself to a 600 series of unique spectacles.

 

Nobody will force her to promote anything as heavily as she was doing it during the 90's...and even IF, she still won't sell as much just because ppl want to hear her voice live and want to see her live like they could back then. It ain't happening any time soon so don't expect sany sales highs for her. Look at Josh Groban. He has toured his #ss off, literally. His 2003 release "Closer" is now 4 x platinum. Cuzz of hits? Being hot on the radio? Not at all! Cuzz of concerts and the loyal audience that has been won over by his charm on stage and magnificent vocals.

 

All I'm saying is that although it's hard for some to accept, the old Céline days are gone, the old Céline is gone. There is still Rene and Sony. They want money, of course, but for once Rene is getting more then enough of it in Vegas now and Sony...welll, they did not promote her, they ain't promoting her now and they will not change their minds all of a sudden either. Privileges changed. As simply as that.

Edited December 15, 2005 at 01:05 PM by siur

[Krys]

There is only one answer to that question - not that Céline is selling very badly in comparison to her current peers - she is still doing fairly well, but this time she doesn'T tour. Let's be honest and say that Sony NEVER properly promoted Céline. They screwed up every single album promo of hers and the only person who promoted them was Céline who went from talk show to talk show from country to country and sang her #ss off doing THREE WORLD TOURS almost without breaks! And if she had breaks she got a new album to record which then again needed to be promoted... I mean how ridiculously workoholic one can get?

 

Now Céline doesn't tour at all and does a sparse promo that is either focused on the US market or on the French/Quebec market. No touring is involved. People can't hear the news on their local radio stations about Céline being next week in their city, they can't hear her new songs, they can't be won for this new CD of hers. And we all know Céline fans are not the casual RNB/Urban radio listeners. They are mostly grown persons with already clearly defined musical taste which happens to involve their admiration for Céline's voice and her romantic songs.

 

I would say Sony is still going on with their couldn't care less attitude seeing Céline as their milk cow, but times have changed and Céline isn't bringing much money to their bank account cuzz she has simply and willingly chosen to settle down for a moment to take care of her family and make some SERIOUS money for herself by commiting herself to a 600 series of unique spectacles.

 

Nobody will force her to promote anything as heavily as she was doing it during the 90's...and even IF, she still won't sell as much just because ppl want to hear her voice live and want to see her live like they could back then. It ain't happening any time soon so don't expect sany sales highs for her. Look at Josh Groban. He has toured his #ss off, literally. His 2003 release "Closer" is now 4 x platinum. Cuzz of hits? Being hot on the radio? Not at all! Cuzz of concerts and the loyal audience that has been won over by his charm on stage and magnificent vocals.

 

All I'm saying is that although it's hard for some to accept, the old Céline days are gone, the old Céline is gone. There is still Rene and Sony. They want money, of course, but for once Rene is getting more then enough of it in Vegas now and Sony...welll, they did not promote her, they ain't promoting her now and they will not change their minds all of a sudden either. Privileges changed. As simply as that.

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i totally agree with you! Sony really doesnt care. i dont even see ads for Celine's new album around anymore...and no more new videos on tv Sony is gettin on peopl's nerves these days...recently that virus thing in cds...and it had to be on Celine's US version of ONCP

 

i wonder why doesnt Celine leave Sony? if Celine releases a new English album next year, most probably there will be very little promotion by Sony...again

Edited December 15, 2005 at 01:24 PM by lamourpourCeline

[max24]

Many of her albums are under certification (like All the way in US which sold over 7 millions and is certificated only 6 x platinum). The same is in Canada..her last certificated album is One heart. But 1 fille & 4 types, Live in Las Vegas or Miracle have sold around 1.000.000 copies so they should be platinum or gold by now. Sony don't wan't to pay for those certifications.

[bluestar]

There only one reason, and it's all about Sony and the promotion.

Celine is the same, her songs are good just as they were before,she sings everything in a poerfect way and she's up to time, we have classical ballads but modern pop too,so there's nothing wrong with her music.

Sony doesn't promote her well.

I live in italy and here when Celine makes a new album nobody knows it.

There are no tv spots or other things, italian music channels not even ply her videos anymore.And this kind of situation is not only here, but in many other countries.

It's all up to Sony.

I can't really understand why thet don't want to promote such a great artist,maybe the greatest.

Celine has always sold more than good,and she can still.

It's horrible and unkind.

We always here about stupid singer like Britney,Jennifer Lopez and Mariah Carrey, but not about Celine.

It only takes more promotion,that's all!!!

[SFchick]

Its not just sony music in general has changed and her type of music isnt as popular as it once was!

 

Promotion is key i agree but if the audience isnt there then whats the point!

[max24]

Celine has more albums that are under certification. Here is how much she has actually sold in US (SoundScan Figures):

 

Unison - 1,214,000

Celine Dion - 2,324,000 (plus 624,000 BMG music club sales)

The Colour Of My Love - 4,468,000

Dion Chante Plamondon - 106,000

The French Album - 221,000

Falling Into You - 10,786,000 (plus 987,000 BMG music club sales)

Let's Talk About Love - 9,395,000 (plus 1,110,000 BMG music club sales)

S'il Suffisait D'aimer - 95,000

These Are Special Times - 4,653,217

All The Way... A Decade Of Song - 7,199,000 (plus 1,100,000 BMG music club sales)

The Collector's Series Volume One - 827,090

A New Day Has Come - 3,153,000

One Heart - 1,735,000

A New Day - Live In Las Vegas - 311,120

Miracle - 822,000

On Ne Change Pas - 2,528

 

Certifications are not for sales but for shipments. That means that the number of shipments is much bigger then sales. For example Mariah Carey's album Music box has sold 7,150,800 but is certificated 10 x platinum for shipments over 10,000,000 copies.

[Leone]

Guys! You are fogetting the most important thing!!

 

Internet - File sharing programs -CD-R !!

That's the reason why.

 

It's not just Celine, but many artists don't sell as much as before.

[Krys]

Guys! You are fogetting the most important thing!!

 

Internet - File sharing programs -CD-R !!

That's the reason why.

 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

thats a different story...if you are a true fan, you will support Celine.

 

i have to agree with you bluestar...when Celine releases a new album...nobody knows...after Celine's hiatus, Sony doesnt promote her anymore...which is a sad thing...

[1Celine12]

I will support Céline even if Sony doesn't promote her albums. She's busy with the Vegas thing, so she can't tour anymore. I think it doesn't matter if Sony promotes her albums. All that matters is that us true Céline fans go and buy the actual albums. That's all that matters to me.

[Krys]

I will support Céline even if Sony doesn't promote her albums.  She's busy with the Vegas thing, so she can't tour anymore.  I think it doesn't matter if Sony promotes her albums.  All that matters is that us true Céline fans go and buy the actual albums.  That's all that matters to me.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

right smack on the dot!

[Nando Férri]

Perhaps, the first thing to say is that Celine is still selling very very well. Take Miracle, for instance! There was some promotion in the US but there was hardly anywhere else in the world and what? 5 million copies are sold to date!

 

Sony is just  . They really couldn't care less about the promotion of Celine's new songs. Although her albums are still sellling very well. ANDHC was sold 13 million copies worldwide, One Heart was sold 8 million  copies which also a GREAT result, Miracle was sold 5 million + many copies of her previous album are still selling well. By the time Celine's show in Vegas had been opend she sold 155 million copies of her cds (album only, not counting the singles!) and now what? It's more than 180 million copies! More than 25 million copies worldwide in about two years and a half! Isnt' that good? Yeah, it's not like used to be 10 years ago but times have changed! Lots of people download music form the web and lots of people buy unlicensed copies of her cds!

 

Her songs aren't good?

 

Don't think that's the problem. Every song she records becomes a hit whether it's some uptempo song like You & I (#1 in her native Canada and not a flop in the US) or some ballad like Je ne vous oublie pas.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

your facts r not true . MIRACLE sold around 1.5 million copies worldwide and ONE HEART around 4 million.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

R y'a crazy???? Cline has sold 5 milions world wide with MIRACLE. Only in USA was 1.5 milion copies (with the special book edition with CD)! OH is with 6 milion copies my friend!

Edited December 15, 2005 at 04:47 PM by Nando Férri

[ZoraSourit]

Two phrases:

1. Market changed.

2. Sony sucks big time.

[Leone]

Guys! You are fogetting the most important thing!!

 

Internet - File sharing programs -CD-R !!

That's the reason why.

 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

thats a different story...if you are a true fan, you will support Celine.

 

i have to agree with you bluestar...when Celine releases a new album...nobody knows...after Celine's hiatus, Sony doesnt promote her anymore...which is a sad thing...

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

Of course I buy everything original from Celine.. and all other artists & albums I like.. But there are a lot's of people who makes copies from their friends or download from filesharing software.

When a new album is released from Celine.. my mom's friends always ask me to make copies to them.. (cause I know they won't buy).

 

Celine gets most money & sales from the "regular" people.. not fans like us.

 

And also I agree that Sony sucks when it comes to promotion.

[Guest Reuben]

Dont blame all of it on Sony. For one, her music isnt what it used to be. Ive asked friends, who dont like Celine (but dont dislike Celine) and they say that she was much better before. Nobody cares about Celines music anymore cause she has strayed from what made her popular.

Second, many people dont buy albums anymore, they download them illegaly (and legaly of course, but most I know still dont want to pay).

Third, I dont think Celine is very loyal to her fans, unlike many stars. For example I have all Celine albums up to ANDHC, (I also have 1F4T) I chose not to buy ONCP, OH and Miracle cause the songs that are on them have already been released. And frankly, I dont care to listen about her singing 10+ tracks about the beauty and miracle of Rene Charles. Shes happy. Ok. Good for her. Move on, I want a new falling into you or 1F4T!

[ErikaCou]

i'm so worried that her lack of popularity is going to stop her singing. Sounds selfish of me but I hope she continues to make records!

[Mozinha]

I think it's normal that Celine doesn't sell anymore like she used to in those popularity years. The market has changed, people have changed, new kinds of music are getting popular. This is normal. You don't expect on artist to stay on top popularity forever.

 

Plus, Sony sucks big time as we all know and internet sharing... you know...

But, if you see, I don't see people building carreers in music like before, like Celine did. So much has been changed.

And now I don't think Celine wants to do music to top the charts like 96 or 98 or whatever. She wants to try new kinds of music, new experiences. She was talking about jazz and rock on her biography and even an album with the same kind of music as Enya. I guess this explains it all.

[Guest Reuben]

I think it's normal that Celine doesn't sell anymore like she used to in those popularity years. The market has changed, people have changed, new kinds of music are getting popular. This is normal. You don't expect on artist to stay on top popularity forever.

 

Plus, Sony sucks big time as we all know and internet sharing... you know...

But, if you see, I don't see people building carreers in music like before, like Celine did. So much has been changed.

And now I don't think Celine wants to do music to top the charts like 96 or 98 or whatever. She wants to try new kinds of music, new experiences. She was talking about jazz and rock on her biography and even an album with the same kind of music as Enya. I guess this explains it all.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

if this were true then artist like Madonna and Cher wouldnt be popular.

I also think that if she talks about jazz, rock and enya, she should do it. Not just talk about it.

 

Id also like to mention that I recently heard the Il Divo duet on radio (Swedish radio) and they only mentioned Il Divo. Not Celine. And this was one of Swedens most popular radio channels (RixFM).

[Mozinha]

I think it's normal that Celine doesn't sell anymore like she used to in those popularity years. The market has changed, people have changed, new kinds of music are getting popular. This is normal. You don't expect on artist to stay on top popularity forever.

 

Plus, Sony sucks big time as we all know and internet sharing... you know...

But, if you see, I don't see people building carreers in music like before, like Celine did. So much has been changed.

And now I don't think Celine wants to do music to top the charts like 96 or 98 or whatever. She wants to try new kinds of music, new experiences. She was talking about jazz and rock on her biography and even an album with the same kind of music as Enya. I guess this explains it all.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

if this were true then artist like Madonna and Cher wouldnt be popular.

I also think that if she talks about jazz, rock and enya, she should do it. Not just talk about it.

 

Id also like to mention that I recently heard the Il Divo duet on radio (Swedish radio) and they only mentioned Il Divo. Not Celine. And this was one of Swedens most popular radio channels (RixFM).

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Madonna and Cher are definately different from Celine. There is no way we can compare the carreer they built. Both Madonna and Cher have been reinventing themselves for decades. By now I don't even know what they are really because they have been so many caracthers and assumed so many personalities. But for selling records it works.

Unfortunately this is not what I personaly like.

Fortunately Celine, the more she changes her music, she is the same.

About the new kinds of music she wants to do, these are dreams and plans for the future. If she ever decides to do it it's gonna be great but if not, it's great for me too.

[rosebud]

l' divo, is advertised on the telly here, in the uk, there is a mention of the other duets on the album but NO mention of celine's deut.

it is very rare you here Celine on the radio, even when you try to request songs of Celine's, (i've never had one played yet). The telly never play Celine's music videos, Albums/singles a never promoted, if it wasn't for the net i wouldn't have clue when albums are coming out.

How is she supose to get good sells when there is no promotion of anything!!!

[thevoice]

l' divo, is advertised on the telly here, in the uk, there is a mention of the other duets on the album but NO mention of celine's deut.   

it is very rare you here Celine on the radio, even when you try to request songs of Celine's, (i've never had one played yet).   The telly never play Celine's music videos, Albums/singles a never promoted, if it wasn't for the net i wouldn't have clue when albums are coming out.

How is she supose to get good sells when there is no promotion of anything!!!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

well i cant blame the people in the UK...i cant even remmember when was the last time celine was there and promoted herself in the UK.

also sony r not doing any promotion there and they r not releasing the singles there usually...

 

it just shows you how huge celine is in the UK cause with no promotion at all and with no radio hits at all ...people r still buying her CD's ...not like before but again - now there is no promotion at all!!

[VinnyT.]

Guys! You are fogetting the most important thing!!

 

Internet - File sharing programs -CD-R !!

That's the reason why.

 

It's not just Celine, but many artists don't sell as much as before.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

I do agree,things changed.but i think celine still selling also with a poor promotion.She doesnt visit many european countries since 2002. but she enters the charts without singles,videoclips and so on

For example mariah is all over on TV in USA and she went to Europe many many times i think about 4 times in UK etc etc, with 5 singles and same videoclips her latest album sold not that well something like more than 6 millions worldwide and they say it's a successfull album but u have to know that after all this promotion in europe she has no platinum certification yet. Celine's last promoted CD ANDHC is 3 times platinum in Europe and OH with no promotion in Europe after 1 month became 1 platinum!so who is not selling anymore?

[Jeanine]

I think there are a few reaons why Céline isn't celling as well as before:

 

first: Sony music doesn't see Céline anymore as there big artist. She isn't that popular anymore... (When you are looking for the reason: my thoughts are going to Sony self: they don't make any advertisments ( ) anymore for any of Céline's albums or singles. So people don't even know (sometimes even the people in the musicshop) there's a new album!)

 

second: Céline's music isn't hot anymore.. The music taste of (young) people has changed. And as Céline's music taste (and mines ) hasn't changed (thank God by the way ), she won't sell só much albums anymore..

 

third: As mentioned here before, Céline isn't traveling the whole world anymore. Touring is a very good way to promote albums, 'cause the songs are specific for a country's taste (in France she will sing more French than in, for example te U.S.). People who read in the newspaper that Céline yesterday had given a wonderfull concert with old songs, but also with songs from her newest album, they get interested. And after listening in the shop, maybe willing to buy it!

Touring is, I think, the best way to promote an album.. So let's hop that she ones will tour again .

 

 

And what I read somewhere above here:

...

 

But, if you see, I don't see people building carreers in music like before, like Celine did. So much has been changed.

And now I don't think Celine wants to do music to top the charts like 96 or 98 or whatever. She wants to try new kinds of music, new experiences. She was talking about jazz and rock on her biography and even an album with the same kind of music as Enya. I guess this explains it all.

 

I would really like an album from Céline like Enya's! I also love Enya's music. Céline would do a good job in my eyes..

But with the same really ( ) I hope that she won't do a jazz album. I really don't like jazz....

 

 

So, summarising ( ), Céline just had to tour again, and Sony had to look at Céline again! How did she sang that? Think Twice

 

Jeanine

[Céline's Blues]

Can anyone be so kind to me and tell me what exactly did Céline say about her upcoming projects and/or wishes in the For Keeps biography?

[Mozinha]

I don't remember every word (my exams killed my brains LOL) but...

as far as I remember she wanted to do some jazz, she said some of her producers wanted her to do an album like Enya (but I don't remember if she liked it or not), she talked about rock album and Freddie Mercury

 

And the ultimate plan was to make her own album written and produced by her but right now she doesn't have time to do it and an album like this would take a lot of time. So if this ever happens it will happen after Vegas and I SERIOUSLY HOPE this happens. I'll be the happiest woman on earth!!!!!!

 

And yes she will tour again. Not like before but she talked about it. Even Patrick Angelil talked about it. He said now it's hard because they all have famillies but it will be shorter tours and so...

 

CAN'T WAIT!

[ZoraSourit]

And other major factor is: Céline isn't touring anymore. Sony doesn't promote her work, and she doesn't do that also. A few TV Shows in France and Québec can't be called a proper promotion.

 

But anyway, Céline doesn't care about sales. And you know what? Neither do I. I'm good with whatever she sales, if she continues to sing and record albuns that give me pleasure to listen.

Besides, she will always sell in the order of millions because she still has lots of fans. Don't expect her to sell 30 million albuns on each recording she does. But 5,6,7... I think that's a reasonable mark to think of.

[george]

I simply agree with all of you....on the other hand an artist cannot always sell as much as in the past....and there are sooooo many different aspects that we have to consider in order to understand what is really happening!!!sony does not promote, celine does not tour, her albums are not as the old ones(and I don't mean that they are bad), soooooooooooo many new artists bombard the markets everywhere.....