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The René Angélil legacyRené passed away on Thursday January 14th, 2016


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Voir le messageactofcontrition, le 19 January 2019 - 08:35 PM, dit :

2000 collector’s series
2001 ...
2002 a new day has come
2003 one heart
2003 1 filles 4 types
2004 miracle
2004 a new day live vegas
2005 on ne change pas
2006 ...
2007 d’elles
2007 taking chances
2007 a new day
2008 my love (essentials)
2009 ...
2010 throught the eyes of the world
2010 taking chances concert/le spectacle
2011 ...
2012 sans attendre
2013 loved me back to life
2014 une seule fois
2015 ...
2016 encore un soir
2017 ...
2018 ...
2019 ...

Well yeah i miss René because he was thinking about the fans in the world not just the people that can go to vegas. Where are the 2016-2017-2018 tours dvd? Live albums? Well something for the fans that cant go in europe or asia or vegas? The only release is encore un soir and she started doing it when René was still there so its a little because of him too!


Well you counted other greatest hits, so you can add the 2017 and 2018 tour greatest hits albums on.

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The 2016 and 2018 compilation albums are both her biggest joke-releases in her whole career.

Un peu de nous tried to pass on a live CD from the 2017 tour and so did the same the shameful 2018 "tour edition" disc, which was clearly made to confuse the buyer with that cover of Céline on the stage, thinking he was buying a live CD but it was again all studio recordings -_-

I felt so embarrassed of her record label to release such albums. Wasn't her voice good enough to release live recordings during these tours?

I don't think René would have approved this :doh:

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Voir le messageJavito, le 20 January 2019 - 06:50 AM, dit :

The 2016 and 2018 compilation albums are both her biggest joke-releases in her whole career.

Un peu de nous tried to pass on a live CD from the 2017 tour and so did the same the shameful 2018 "tour edition" disc, which was clearly made to confuse the buyer with that cover of Céline on the stage, thinking he was buying a live CD but it was again all studio recordings -_-

I felt so embarrassed of her record label to release such albums. Wasn't her voice good enough to release live recordings during these tours?

I don't think René would have approved this :doh:


Well he did approve the TCWT CDs which were 60% lipped and the rest was dubbed and auto tuned to hell

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Voir le messageDion2000, le 20 January 2019 - 08:01 AM, dit :

Well he did approve the TCWT CDs which were 60% lipped and the rest was dubbed and auto tuned to hell

As much as I usually agree with your posts, don't forget that it was a live album after all. Regardless of the dubbing and re-recordings that were done for these releases, we still talk about two "different" concerts on CD and DVD. That was a genuine live release, at least for the general audience. Us fans, of course we noticed what they had done.

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Voir le messageCeline Fan 77, le 20 January 2019 - 08:19 AM, dit :



As much as I usually agree with your posts, don't forget that it was a live album after all. Regardless of the dubbing and re-recordings that were done for these releases, we still talk about two "different" concerts on CD and DVD. That was a genuine live release, at least for the general audience. Us fans, of course we noticed what they had done.


I suppose. But what really ticked me off is that they had eliminated all the live ad libs, turning it into basically different sounding versions of the studio versions.

Removed ad libs in shadow of love,Fade away,je sais pas,all by myself,taking chances,because you loved me... even scaled down and removed alot of ad libs from Its a mans world and i got a feelin.

Like the pre recorded tracks were also re recorded, taking the entire atmosphere out of it as well as removing all audience noise, isolating her vocals and poor instrumental quality. I despise that DVD/CD


But i LURVEEEE USF, minimal editing... shame it wasnt recorded on a far better night vocally like in Paris

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Voir le messageDion2000, le 20 January 2019 - 06:21 AM, dit :

Well you counted other greatest hits, so you can add the 2017 and 2018 tour greatest hits albums on.

nop because its a not a internationnal release. just for a very small market so its not officially in her discography

Edited by actofcontrition, 20 January 2019 - 10:40 AM.


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Voir le messageactofcontrition, le 20 January 2019 - 10:39 AM, dit :



nop because its a not a internationnal release. just for a very small market so its not officially in her discography

2017 was an international release, and i cannot believe youre saying the 2018 one if for a very small market when it was for ALL of Asia and Ocenaia. Need i remind you that Asia is the second biggest market in the world for music, the North America being #1

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Voir le messageDion2000, le 20 January 2019 - 08:01 AM, dit :

Well he did approve the TCWT CDs which were 60% lipped and the rest was dubbed and auto tuned to hell

That's better than nothing at all, don't you think? :innocent:

Voir le messageDion2000, le 20 January 2019 - 11:49 AM, dit :

2017 was an international release, and i cannot believe youre saying the 2018 one if for a very small market when it was for ALL of Asia and Ocenaia. Need i remind you that Asia is the second biggest market in the world for music, the North America being #1

Still, not released worldwide and definitely NOT a release available for everyone :) It's not available in Europe nor the US, so in my book that's not a release to count on her official discography.

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Voir le messageJavito, le 20 January 2019 - 12:56 PM, dit :



That's better than nothing at all, don't you think? :innocent:



Still, not released worldwide and definitely NOT a release available for everyone :) It's not available in Europe nor the US, so in my book that's not a release to count on her official discography.


Okay so what about the 2017 release ? That’s available in Europe and was clocked as being available in the US too


And it wasnt nothing at all lmfao, Encore Un Soir, Ashes, HDAMLF, Tokyo 2018 (not “released” but was put on national japanese tv and is available for online streaming for free) and 2 Compilations which had moderate success in their respective territories.

Thats 3 albums (two were supposedly regional releases but that does NOT count them out of her discography), 4 english singles and a Live show all released in 2 years (2016-2018) if hardly call that bad for someone 39 years into their career

Edited by Dion2000, 20 January 2019 - 01:20 PM.


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Voir le messageDion2000, le 20 January 2019 - 01:14 PM, dit :




Okay so what about the 2017 release ? That’s available in Europe and was clocked as being available in the US too


And it wasnt nothing at all lmfao, Encore Un Soir, Ashes, HDAMLF, Tokyo 2018 (not “released” but was put on national japanese tv and is available for online streaming for free) and 2 Compilations which had moderate success in their respective territories.

Thats 3 albums (two were supposedly regional releases but that does NOT count them out of her discography), 4 english singles and a Live show all released in 2 years (2016-2018) if hardly call that bad for someone 39 years into their career

I think someone will say if it's for free it doesn't count

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What I hate right now :

Big news for Vegas, Big news for London show, Big news for Paris fashion, Big news for Celinununu clothes... but...

Where are the news of the new album that fans are waiting for 6 years now? How can she started talking about it in fall 2016 and then posted pictures in the studio with the mention 'new music soon' and then nothing for 1-2 years. And the only time she gets asked, she said 'its gonna be ready when its ready' its like she was saying omg stop with the damn album i dont want to think about it, i dont care for my fans that cant see me in vegas or london!

I really miss René for that. Now they focus on shows but who cares in her team about the 60% people that cant go to her shows?!

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Some call it "change of priorities"... :whistling:

I call it "laziness" and "I don't give a damn about releasing anything anymore but only making quick money" :innocent: :innocent: :innocent: :doh:

Still I love her... :doh: :whee:

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Voir le messageactofcontrition, le 28 January 2019 - 02:12 PM, dit :

What I hate right now :

Big news for Vegas, Big news for London show, Big news for Paris fashion, Big news for Celinununu clothes... but...

Where are the news of the new album that fans are waiting for 6 years now? How can she started talking about it in fall 2016 and then posted pictures in the studio with the mention 'new music soon' and then nothing for 1-2 years. And the only time she gets asked, she said 'its gonna be ready when its ready' its like she was saying omg stop with the damn album i dont want to think about it, i dont care for my fans that cant see me in vegas or london!

I really miss René for that. Now they focus on shows but who cares in her team about the 60% people that cant go to her shows?!

Name one singer/band who releases an album every 2-3 years nearly 40 years into their career.... ill wait

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Voir le messageJavito, le 28 January 2019 - 02:26 PM, dit :

Some call it "change of priorities"... :whistling:

I call it "laziness" and "I don't give a damn about releasing anything anymore but only making quick money" :innocent: :innocent: :innocent: :doh:

Still I love her... :doh: :whee:

Me too but its a total waste of her voice when she is only focusing on shows that have 85% of the same songs everytime. With alllll her albums, her 500+ songs she keep performed the same 15 ones. Omg her voice is not eternal. Now is the time to record for the future... Record french, english albums. She always says i have nothing to prove then gooooo : do the spanish album, do that jazz album, try new stuff. Its time right now, not in 20 years!

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Voir le messageactofcontrition, le 28 January 2019 - 02:34 PM, dit :

Me too but its a total waste of her voice when she is only focusing on shows that have 85% of the same songs everytime. With alllll her albums, her 500+ songs she keep performed the same 15 ones. Omg her voice is not eternal. Now is the time to record for the future... Record french, english albums. She always says i have nothing to prove then gooooo : do the spanish album, do that jazz album, try new stuff. Its time right now, not in 20 years!

Totally. I have enjoyed the shows I have been to on the 2016 and 2017 tours and I made the effort to go to Vegas last autumn. I am starting to feel though that the idea of her continuing to tour without any new material after Vegas is a bit pointless.

I mean if the problem is that she has just reached saturation point with her singing and can't find the motivation, I'd rather she just took a few years off and came back with new material than kept going with the same show.

Edited by RosieBarron, 28 January 2019 - 02:41 PM.


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Voir le messageDion2000, le 28 January 2019 - 02:31 PM, dit :

Name one singer/band who releases an album every 2-3 years nearly 40 years into their career.... ill wait

English albums :

Madonna

2008 Hard candy
2012 mdma
2015 rebel heart
2019 new album coming, video of the single was filmed last week

Celine

2008....
2009...
2010...
2011...
2012...
2013 Loved me back to life
2014...
2015...
2016...
2017...
2018...
2019 still no news about anything

If you count for celine : 2 english album in the last 15 years

The english part of her career is seriously neglected

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Voir le messageactofcontrition, le 28 January 2019 - 02:40 PM, dit :



English albums :

Madonna

2008 Hard candy
2012 mdma
2015 rebel heart
2019 new album coming, video of the single was filmed last week

Celine

2008....
2009...
2010...
2011...
2012...
2013 Loved me back to life
2014...
2015...
2016...
2017...
2018...
2019 still no news about anything

If you count for celine : 2 english album in the last 15 years

The english part of her career is seriously neglected


Okay... so. Madonna released an album 4 years apart (2008-2012) 3 years apart (2012-2015) and then 4 years apart again.... (2015-2019) Youve literally just proven my point.

And if celine only had one market to create for her english albums would be more frequent but she has 2 markets to release for



And i dont know where youre getting 2 in 15 years from when Miracle exists.... like lol. Its 3. And including her french albums thats another 3.... so in 15 years shes released 6 albums, if we divide 15 by 6 that’s roughly an album every 2.5 years not including multiple live releases and a documentary..... soooooooooo


And i see youre putting madonnas just in a list where as listing celines in chronological order


For madonna

2008 hard candy
2009
2010
2011
2012 MDNA
2013
2014
2015 Rebel heart
2016
2017
2018
2019 suspected release


doesnt look much better


Celine :

2007 TC and Delles
2008
2009
2010
2011
2012 Sans Attendre
2013 LMBTL
2014
2015
2016 EUS
2017
2018
2019 suspected release

Edited by Dion2000, 28 January 2019 - 02:47 PM.


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Voir le messageDion2000, le 28 January 2019 - 02:31 PM, dit :

Name one singer/band who releases an album every 2-3 years nearly 40 years into their career.... ill wait

Celia Cruz
Julio Iglesias
Charles Aznavour

All these did that until their death and Julio releases an album in one or another language every 2-3 years.

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Voir le messageJavito, le 28 January 2019 - 02:45 PM, dit :



Celia Cruz
Julio Iglesias
Charles Aznavour

All these did that until their death and Julio releases an album in one or another language every 2-3 years.

Exactly, 2-3 years. Hardly frequent... and if we examine celine

2007 Delles and TC
2008
2009
2010 TCWT The Concert
2011
2012 Sans attendre
2013 LMBTL
2014 USF
2015
2016 EUS
2017
2018
2019 suspected release


And Charles Aznavour was releasing in like 5 different languages so of course theirs going to be frequency


Umm......

Edited by Dion2000, 28 January 2019 - 02:51 PM.


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Voir le messageactofcontrition, le 28 January 2019 - 02:34 PM, dit :

Me too but its a total waste of her voice when she is only focusing on shows that have 85% of the same songs everytime. With alllll her albums, her 500+ songs she keep performed the same 15 ones. Omg her voice is not eternal. Now is the time to record for the future... Record french, english albums. She always says i have nothing to prove then gooooo : do the spanish album, do that jazz album, try new stuff. Its time right now, not in 20 years!

Voir le messageRosieBarron, le 28 January 2019 - 02:39 PM, dit :

Totally. I have enjoyed the shows I have been to on the 2016 and 2017 tours and I made the effort to go to Vegas last autumn. I am starting to feel though that the idea of her continuing to tour without any new material after Vegas is a bit pointless.

I mean if the problem is that she has just reached saturation point with her singing and can't find the motivation, I'd rather she just took a few years off and came back with new material than kept going with the same show.

Oh well, welcome to my views and exact complaining, which I have been repeating in this forum during the 15 years of Vegas, and for which I have been often attacked/mocked/ridiculed :-D

YES she has been wasting her voice in Vegas always singing the same 15-20 same songs

YES she could have performed more different songs with a repertoire of 300+ songs

YES the worst point is that her voice is NOT anymore the same as when she released those songs in 1999, 2003, even 2007... And she hasn't used it to perform GEM songs that we'll never get to listen live with the voice she had when she recorded them.

Such a shame, such a pity that nobody in her team has warned her about this during 15 years of insane Vegas, but... I was saying it all the time here :down:

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Voir le messageDion2000, le 28 January 2019 - 02:31 PM, dit :



Name one singer/band who releases an album every 2-3 years nearly 40 years into their career.... ill wait

Tony Bennett - who's 92! - puts out pretty much an album every 1-2 years.
5 studio albums and 4 live ones since late 2011.

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Voir le messagescielle, le 28 January 2019 - 02:52 PM, dit :



Tony Bennett - who's 92! - puts out pretty much an album every 1-2 years.
5 studio albums and 4 live ones since late 2011.

Tony bennett is one exception thats true. The mans a machine. Then again he released nothing from 1977-1986.... lol just kidding. I dont know how he does it.

Edited by Dion2000, 28 January 2019 - 02:55 PM.


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Voir le messageJavito, le 28 January 2019 - 02:49 PM, dit :





Oh well, welcome to my views and exact complaining, which I have been repeating in this forum during the 15 years of Vegas, and for which I have been often attacked/mocked/ridiculed :-D

YES she has been wasting her voice in Vegas always singing the same 15-20 same songs

YES she could have performed more different songs with a repertoire of 300+ songs

YES the worst point is that her voice is NOT anymore the same as when she released those songs in 1999, 2003, even 2007... And she hasn't used it to perform GEM songs that we'll never get to listen live with the voice she had when she recorded them.

Such a shame, such a pity that nobody in her team has warned her about this during 15 years of insane Vegas, but... I was saying it all the time here :down:

Same opinion but everytime i post something i got Dion2000 on my case 😡

And by the way Dion2000 learn to read : its written i was talking about english original album/ internationnal! Not documentary or live or french. Im talking about the english career of celine that is neglected!

Again madonna 2008-2019 : 4 albums
Celine 2008-2019 : 1 album

And yes 2005-2006-2007-2008-2009-2010-2011-2012-2013-2014-2015-2016-2017-2018-2019 : 2 english albums (miracle was 2004 and you cant count 2019 because we still dont have any news about a album but madonna is gonna be released in few weeks because she said the album is done and filmed the first video last week in lisbon)

And by the way madonna write her songs, have more childrens than celine and still have time to record, tour and build schools in africa!

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Voir le messageJavito, le 28 January 2019 - 02:49 PM, dit :

Oh well, welcome to my views and exact complaining, which I have been repeating in this forum during the 15 years of Vegas, and for which I have been often attacked/mocked/ridiculed :-D

YES she has been wasting her voice in Vegas always singing the same 15-20 same songs

YES she could have performed more different songs with a repertoire of 300+ songs

YES the worst point is that her voice is NOT anymore the same as when she released those songs in 1999, 2003, even 2007... And she hasn't used it to perform GEM songs that we'll never get to listen live with the voice she had when she recorded them.

Such a shame, such a pity that nobody in her team has warned her about this during 15 years of insane Vegas, but... I was saying it all the time here :down:

I wasn't complaining about Vegas, just saying that as she has chosen to end the show it is time to do something new. If she hasn't got the drive to do something new now, take a break and come back in a few years time.

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What is really frustrating to me is we know she's recording stuff - and has been for at least 2.5 years! - but Sony's not releasing it.
I can only imagine how many tracks she cut since starting to work on this; tracks we'll probably never hear.

I know there may well be a plethora of very good reasons - but it's super frustrating, given that they're been talking about it as imminent for 2.5 years now! (Recall Recovering came out in fall of 2016, and was billed at the time as the first song from her upcoming English album.)

I worry Sony is trying to concoct "the perfect album" and that it'll end up being a hodge-podge devised in a lab by a bunch of execs, to cover every possible demographic... stripping it of any real cohesive artistic intuition. Hopefully the new, "I speak up now!" Celine, can prevent that from happening.

It's quite clear the album, as a format, is pretty much dead anyway. Streaming has completely changed consumption habits and most listening these days is done on a by-track basis and via playlisting. (Even for a super-successful album like Drake's Scorpion, with its 25 tracks, 63% of global streams come from just 3 songs.)
So if you can't get a full record together, just let us have a track or two, ffs!

This new interview suggests that maybe it was her decision to wait until Vegas is over and she can turn the page. If so, then hopefully that means it was more of an artistic, not a business decision.

Anyway, Sony is releasing its next quarterly earnings on Feb 1 - maybe we'll know more then.

Edited by scielle, 28 January 2019 - 08:33 PM.


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Same goes for that she said the industry is changing (again)
So maybe they are trying to figure out what will work now for Celine.

Noticed her telling her team that she would rather do this, or that.

I think that has also changed a lot where the album direction goes and when it's getting released.
She is doing whatever she wants now.

But it makes me sad she doesn't tell much about her new record and songs, and plans for her Hyde Park show.

Voir le messagescielle, le 28 January 2019 - 08:32 PM, dit :

This new interview suggests that maybe it was her decision to wait until Vegas is over and she can turn the page. If so, then hopefully that means it was more of an artistic, not a business decision.

Anyway, Sony is releasing its next quarterly earnings on Feb 1 - maybe we'll know more then.


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More from the "OMG Rene has some talented grandkids" files. Wow.

Here's Stella singing Shallow with Marc -




And Marc with Anthony on piano -



And also https://www.instagra.../p/Bt9SrM1DAin/

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Voir le messagescielle, le 16 February 2019 - 07:51 PM, dit :

More from the "OMG Rene has some talented grandkids" files. Wow.

Here's Stella singing Shallow with Marc -




And Marc with Anthony on piano -



And also https://www.instagra.../p/Bt9SrM1DAin/

They are so good! I wish they would perform with Céline.

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Imagine RC doing the Unison rap with his mom... Haha

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They are so good! I wish they would perform with Céline.


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Just for this, once again Thanks dear gentleman!

Acknowledging her privilege as a woman and advocating for ourselves:
"To be honest, did I ever feel that I was not being treated appropriately and fairly? Maybe it did happen, but all my life I've been having so much protection. René always surrounded me with the best people in the world, and I've been so protected that it never reached the other side of the fence. But I know for sure, for a fact, that women were not treated appropriately for so long. And I think it's up to all of us to speak out. We cannot remain silent because we cannot be a prisoner of ourselves. And if we count on society to help us, it won't happen. I'm sorry. If you look at the society, do you think we're sailing well? I don't think so. I'm saying it; It's not pretty. The smartest people for us are ourselves."

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