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[sarit_celine]

I badly wish to hear the raw version of the studio version for Lying down.
This and Courage are the strongest tracks.

[smw]

Chantemoi, on 26 October 2022 - 11:36 PM, said:

You don’t need to hear the demo to hear that she’s mimicking LP word for word.

I think this is, in part, why a lot of causal Celine fans don’t have much interest in her newer music. Her mimicking others feels inauthentic and sometimes cringey. It’s such a departure from her iconic sound / albums. Why would Celine Dion - one of the greatest singers of all time - ever need to mimic Adele, Sia, LP?

I know she’s also been inspired by these women, her voice has naturally changed over time, and her taste has morphed. She also calls the shots now vs when she was younger, Rene dictated a lot of song choices.

But there’s a disconnect between what most people want from Celine Dion vs what she’s been gravitating to in recent years (as far back as Taking Chances).

Ashes is the most classic Celine Dion English song she’s recorded in a long time. Along with How Does A Moment Last Forever and Recovering. The Show Must Go On (live versions) was epic. And Wicked Game beautifully showcases a newer Celine sound. Not to mention Encore un soir has some sublime classic Celine-sounding gems.

Edited by smw, 27 October 2022 - 11:50 AM.

[Alex_Incognito]

She is surrounded by too many "yes" people.  Rene gave it to her as it is, and I think that's a large part of why there's a difference now.

[garyhollander]

smw, on 27 October 2022 - 11:47 AM, said:

I think this is, in part, why a lot of causal Celine fans don’t have much interest in her newer music. Her mimicking others feels inauthentic and sometimes cringey. It’s such a departure from her iconic sound / albums. Why would Celine Dion - one of the greatest singers of all time - ever need to mimic Adele, Sia, LP?

I know she’s also been inspired by these women, her voice has naturally changed over time, and her taste has morphed. She also calls the shots now vs when she was younger, Rene dictated a lot of song choices.

But there’s a disconnect between what most people want from Celine Dion vs what she’s been gravitating to in recent years (as far back as Taking Chances).

Ashes is the most classic Celine Dion English song she’s recorded in a long time. Along with How Does A Moment Last Forever and Recovering. The Show Must Go On (live versions) was epic. And Wicked Game beautifully showcases a newer Celine sound. Not to mention Encore un soir has some sublime classic Celine-sounding gems.

Because that sounds doesnt work nowadays.. if you listen to music nowadays they dont edit and use reverb like they used too.. I think they are trying to keep her current  sounding fresh not like babs that keep making same songs and same eay .. they are trying new things.. she was groomed to do the diva sound for so long me as a singer i like to experiment and see ehat sounds cool or see ehat works.. and songs like imperfection will not sound good eith the prefect way of singing that she used to do.. do i perfer her vocals to older offcourse not but i understand it .. plus her voice is in decline.. not gonna get better from here it is gonna be different. And i think earlier fans learn to except that the better. But i loved ashes thats, but equally love courage and lying down and the hard way..

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[smw]

I think that sound does still work nowadays. People still appreciate quality and timeless, classy artists. I don’t think of her classic sound as dated, I think of it as timeless.

I think if Celine assembled the old team for a new English album - David Foster, Jean-Jacques Goldman, Diane Warren, etc and brought in the teams who work on Michael Buble / Andrea Bocelli / Josh Groban / Barbra Streisand’s newer albums, she’d have a much more authentically Celine and successful result. With beautiful instruments, arrangements, and vocals. The result would be something that would make Rene smile. Whether Celine likes it or not, that’s her image and it’s what built her.

I’m all for Celine exploring her creativity and trying new things but at the end of the day, she has such a beautiful gift and it deserves to be showcased in the best way possible. Not by chasing trends.

To me, all Celine has to do in order to stay current is to stay true to herself and her iconic brand. That will always make her relevant and “cool.”

For instance, Celine rising up center stage as a surprise guest at the Super Bowl singing It’s All Coming Back To Me Now or even Ashes will always be far more iconic and get way more attention than her singing some trendy LP song.

There’s also a lot of people feeling nostalgic for 80s / 90s artists right now. The Judds arena tour was just extended, for instance. Wynonna says it’s a movement that’s bigger than she is.

Edited by smw, 27 October 2022 - 01:05 PM.

[PuraVida]

I agree she needs to back to her classic way of singing. Not the slured, yodelled, raspy, or dry vocals she has used since LMBTL. Imagine how her old approach would have sounded on "For The Lover That I Lost", to name just one example.

As or mimicking the demo tapes, I think that is how she chooses to work. I don't hold that against her as an artist or as her own boss. She is always someone who wants to stay true the original vision, and take the approach of the producer. And she will add her own touches here and there, and as she has gotten older been more willing to offer ideas. But in general, she likes to remain true to her direction she is given as well as the source material.

Edited by PuraVida, 27 October 2022 - 01:11 PM.

[CelinesDIVO5]

smw, on 27 October 2022 - 01:01 PM, said:

I think that sound does still work nowadays. People still appreciate quality and timeless, classy artists. I don’t think of her classic sound as dated, I think of it as timeless.

I think if Celine assembled the old team for a new English album - David Foster, Jean-Jacques Goldman, Diane Warren, etc and brought in the teams who work on Michael Buble / Andrea Bocelli / Josh Groban / Barbra Streisand’s newer albums, she’d have a much more authentically Celine and successful result. With beautiful instruments, arrangements, and vocals. The result would be something that would make Rene smile. Whether Celine likes it or not, that’s her image and it’s what built her.

I’m all for Celine exploring her creativity and trying new things but at the end of the day, she has such a beautiful gift and it deserves to be showcased in the best way possible. Not by chasing trends.

To me, all Celine has to do in order to stay current is to stay true to herself and her iconic brand. That will always make her relevant and “cool.”

For instance, Celine rising up center stage as a surprise guest at the Super Bowl singing It’s All Coming Back To Me Now or even Ashes will always be far more iconic and get way more attention than her singing some trendy LP song.

There’s also a lot of people feeling nostalgic for 80s / 90s artists right now. The Judds arena tour was just extended, for instance. Wynonna says it’s a movement that’s bigger than she is.

I’m so happy we have the songs from “Courage.” That sound has been my favorite to listen to over the last few years. Lauv is one of my favorite artists and I love the result of “Imperfections.” LP is great and “Change My Mind” is one of my top favorites on the album. I was craving these sounds from Celine, and quite honestly it’s the most current she has ever sounded. She was always just a beat behind the trends. This album was spot on and on time. Had her collabs with Sia, Guetta and Aioki been given a different treatment, I truly believe that we would have had a completely different era. One that saw a true rebirth of her musical career because of this album. But alas…

[LukeD]

Courage turned out to be one of my very fave Celine albums... Very coherent, nice melodies and I had no issue whatsoever distinguishing one song from the other... Fave songs from it:

- Perfect Goodbye
- Change My Mind
- Boundaries
- Heart Of Glass
- Flying On My Own
- For The Lover That I Lost
- Soul
- Imperfections
- Lovers Never Die
- I Will Be Stronger

👌🏻

[smw]

PuraVida, on 27 October 2022 - 01:10 PM, said:

I agree she needs to back to her classic way of singing. Not the slured, yodelled, raspy, or dry vocals she has used since LMBTL. Imagine how her old approach would have sounded on "For The Lover That I Lost", to name just one example.

As or mimicking the demo tapes, I think that is how she chooses to work. I don't hold that against her as an artist or as her own boss. She is always someone who wants to stay true the original vision, and take the approach of the producer. And she will add her own touches here and there, and as she has gotten older been more willing to offer ideas. But in general, she likes to remain true to her direction she is given as well as the source material.

Yes…  a more polished vocal on For The Lover That I Lost would’ve been so beautiful. Same for several other tracks on Courage.

[mirage]

Just look at what her performance of MHWGO at Billboard did! Everybody loved it!!

And yeah many are nostalgic for the 80s/90s artists.

She can explore new sounds and feelings, but I think that if she did a classic Celine album people would go for it!

smw, on 27 October 2022 - 01:01 PM, said:

For instance, Celine rising up center stage as a surprise guest at the Super Bowl singing It’s All Coming Back To Me Now or even Ashes will always be far more iconic and get way more attention than her singing some trendy LP song.

There’s also a lot of people feeling nostalgic for 80s / 90s artists right now. The Judds arena tour was just extended, for instance. Wynonna says it’s a movement that’s bigger than she is.

[smw]

mirage, on 27 October 2022 - 03:34 PM, said:

Just look at what her performance of MHWGO at Billboard did! Everybody loved it!!

And yeah many are nostalgic for the 80s/90s artists.

She can explore new sounds and feelings, but I think that if she did a classic Celine album people would go for it!

Exactly! Celine stopped the show and wowed everyone by standing outside of all that monotonous, lackluster trendy noise… by being her classic iconic self, delivering her classic iconic music. She was THE moment of the evening.

That’s what gets Celine major attention… being herself. Not chasing trends. She is in a league with Whitney Houston & Barbra Streisand. Who else is today?? We don’t need to see/hear her chasing what’s current.

Edited by smw, 27 October 2022 - 03:44 PM.

[Állex Sodi]

smw, on 27 October 2022 - 03:41 PM, said:

That’s what gets Celine major attention… being herself. Not chasing trends. She is in a league with Whitney Houston & Barbra Streisand. Who else is today?? We don’t need to see/hear her chasing what’s current.

Yes, I agree with this! And I think, actually, both can be achieved with the right projects. For instance, Elton John did a really nice thing to refresh his career and get himself known by newer generations, with new approach to his old hits and collaboration with youngers. Cold Heart (Sacrife) was a big hit with Dua Lipa, and Hold Me Closer, with Britney, this one less successful  but, still, reaching numbers and an audience Celine hasn't hit in a very long time.

It doesn't hurt his classic catalog, cause it sounds like a side project. Celine could easily done something like that while still recording albums with more of a classic Celine approach.

Edited by Állex Sodi, 27 October 2022 - 04:06 PM.

[sarit_celine]

As it seems to me, after the Rene epoce, Celine wanted to be something different she always wanted to be
and far away from classic Celine. And she showed it also with her passion for fashion.

Hardcore fans became her fans because of the unique approache for singing she used to have.
Those harmonics in her voice - out of heavens.

This unique approach isn't completely gone, she just doesn't fully apply it to songs.

For example in the chorus of Heart of glass. I feel on times when I'm listening to it as if I'm listening to a fake artist.
The verses she sings them so beautifully though. And that's what ruins it for me with so many songs on this album.
It's like hearing two different Celine and I can't get used to it no matter how hard I try
At this point maybe it's more easy for her to embrace another approach for singing, and if there will be another album
I believe her a la Sia singing is here to stay for good.

I hope Celine will get better soon, it's so worrying not seeing new photos of her or a new message.

[garyhollander]

smw, on 27 October 2022 - 01:01 PM, said:

I think that sound does still work nowadays. People still appreciate quality and timeless, classy artists. I don’t think of her classic sound as dated, I think of it as timeless.

I think if Celine assembled the old team for a new English album - David Foster, Jean-Jacques Goldman, Diane Warren, etc and brought in the teams who work on Michael Buble / Andrea Bocelli / Josh Groban / Barbra Streisand’s newer albums, she’d have a much more authentically Celine and successful result. With beautiful instruments, arrangements, and vocals. The result would be something that would make Rene smile. Whether Celine likes it or not, that’s her image and it’s what built her.

I’m all for Celine exploring her creativity and trying new things but at the end of the day, she has such a beautiful gift and it deserves to be showcased in the best way possible. Not by chasing trends.

To me, all Celine has to do in order to stay current is to stay true to herself and her iconic brand. That will always make her relevant and “cool.”

For instance, Celine rising up center stage as a surprise guest at the Super Bowl singing It’s All Coming Back To Me Now or even Ashes will always be far more iconic and get way more attention than her singing some trendy LP song.

There’s also a lot of people feeling nostalgic for 80s / 90s artists right now. The Judds arena tour was just extended, for instance. Wynonna says it’s a movement that’s bigger than she is.

All of this is your opinion, record executives dont listen to opinions  they look at trends and charts.. and what sells... all you mentioned is great but contemporary music is not in the rise at the moment, ita had its moment with buble and andrea bocelli.. correct and they still sell out arenas same as celine but they dont chart anymore either

And in the end i do agree that some songs would sound better with the older vocal styling.. but what i love about her is that she does not do one thing.. she has made rockier albums and more edgier things also classical things it works wonderfully for my taste ...

Again not critisizing your opinion or taste just saying what i think is going on dont forget the vocal decline.. when you voice grows older you get raspier and different tones also during menopause.. that also changes the voicee.. maybe her voice is changing in menopaus also no ideaa... one thing i know she has to honorary doctorates in music and she knows why amd what she is doing vocally so i give it the benefit of the doubt

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[garyhollander]

mirage, on 27 October 2022 - 03:34 PM, said:

Just look at what her performance of MHWGO at Billboard did! Everybody loved it!!

And yeah many are nostalgic for the 80s/90s artists.

She can explore new sounds and feelings, but I think that if she did a classic Celine album people would go for it!

Thats a performance of lets reminice and rember a 25 year old song... look what happened to mariah carey releasing unreleased tracks when she still had the pipes.. nothing nada nothing charted nothing worked because music is different nowadays.

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[ordinary fan]

garyhollander, on 28 October 2022 - 05:29 AM, said:

Thats a performance of lets reminice and rember a 25 year old song... look what happened to mariah carey releasing unreleased tracks when she still had the pipes.. nothing nada nothing charted nothing worked because music is different nowadays.

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But Celine still sells more nowadays than Mariah, just compare their two last albums in sales. I guess she would still and will be still successful with her next album, with classic Celine style maybe even more

[smw]

garyhollander, on 28 October 2022 - 05:25 AM, said:

All of this is your opinion

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Correct. This is a Celine Dion forum... where we all come to voice our opinions.

[smw]

ordinary fan, on 28 October 2022 - 07:54 AM, said:

But Celine still sells more nowadays than Mariah, just compare their two last albums in sales. I guess she would still and will be still successful with her next album, with classic Celine style maybe even more

I'm hoping that the music for Celine's upcoming film makes a big splash! I hope the film features Celine's iconic songs and some wonderful new music. Sam Heughan is determined for that film to be a success so fingers crossed. And it will be on the heels of Titanic's 25th anniversary! So Celine is well positioned to make a really nice comeback.

[garyhollander]

smw, on 28 October 2022 - 02:58 PM, said:

I'm hoping that the music for Celine's upcoming film makes a big splash! I hope the film features Celine's iconic songs and some wonderful new music. Sam Heughan is determined for that film to be a success so fingers crossed. And it will be on the heels of Titanic's 25th anniversary! So Celine is well positioned to make a really nice comeback.

If her team ever does something with it hahaha

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[sarit_celine]

I wonder if Celine is capable at all to record new songs. If she is not sending any signals who knows
what's really going on. Though I'll find it rare if she didn't record any new materials during this pandemic
before her health started to worsen. Maybe she will send a message for Christmas.

I also wonder what is the reason for Sony not to release any leftovers from Courage, or anything
for the fans. If Celine will have Mariah team on her side everything will change for good.

If and when she will come back, I hope she won't do Las Vegas for some good years, and will make smaller tours
that will allow good resting and keeping her vocals in a good shape. The long tours ended up hurting her vocals.

On a side note, Javito is missing on this board. I hope he will be able to write here before a new album
will be out.

[sarit_celine]

smw, on 28 October 2022 - 02:58 PM, said:

I'm hoping that the music for Celine's upcoming film makes a big splash! I hope the film features Celine's iconic songs and some wonderful new music. Sam Heughan is determined for that film to be a success so fingers crossed. And it will be on the heels of Titanic's 25th anniversary! So Celine is well positioned to make a really nice comeback.

Was there any indication for new music around the releasing of the film?

[ordinary fan]

sarit_celine, on 01 November 2022 - 02:53 AM, said:

Was there any indication for new music around the releasing of the film?

I believe it was said by the actors that she recorded new music for the film, atleast one new song

[ryba]

I think that if it wasn’t for Covid and her illness in 2019, we would have had a whole different experience with the Courage album and her career in general. She would have done more promo for the album, finished the tour, returned to Vegas, at the same time the movie, new music and the new documentary would have been released, there would have been a big Celine storm. But they pulled the break on everything.

[Alex_Incognito]

ryba, on 01 November 2022 - 07:01 AM, said:

I think that if it wasn’t for Covid and her illness in 2019, we would have had a whole different experience with the Courage album and her career in general. She would have done more promo for the album, finished the tour, returned to Vegas, at the same time the movie, new music and the new documentary would have been released, there would have been a big Celine storm. But they pulled the break on everything.

She was pretty much done promoting the Courage album once the tour rolled around

[Davey84]

Alex_Incognito, on 01 November 2022 - 07:17 AM, said:

She was pretty much done promoting the Courage album once the tour rolled around

Yeah they (barely) promoted the album when it wasn't released yet and when the album was out, she was already touring... that whole schedule was just f'ed up!

[Alex_Incognito]

Worst era ever.

[smw]

Adele just released a music video for an album she released almost a year ago, after seemingly being done with the promotion.

I agree that Celine would've done a little more for the album... perhaps one more music video, eventually adding in another song from the album in the tour, etc.  There would have a been a few more things. New interviews, etc.

Wasn't Celine also going to be recognized for selling over 300 million albums or something like that too?

Regardless, the big battle with her health was probably inevitable even if the pandemic never happened.

And I stand by the fact that Celine did a lot of really interesting and great things during the Courage era... it just wasn't rolled out in a way that built enough momentum. But, at the end of the day, she still had another #1 album. Even though it dropped fast. And the tour was very successful, even though it had a rough start with Celine getting sick.

Edited by smw, 01 November 2022 - 11:03 AM.

[Shaun]

“Courage” is a decent album. It *may* have sold a little more with some promotion, but only a little more. That’s just where Celine is in her career now. She’s going - or has gone - through the same phase that all “legends” have. It’s just what happens. Like has been said, history will show it was another number 1 album.

I feel “Courage” may well be the last album where she (or Sony) chase relevancy. No more Sia, Ne-Yo, Guetta or Aoki etc.

It wouldn’t surprise me if the next English projects go down the road of a “duets” album or “great American songbook” type thing. Maybe even a “Celine sings the movies” type album too. She may reconnect with has 90’s and 00’s audiences if she were to do that.

Chasing “new” fans with “modern” songs just isn’t going to work for Celine in the English market now. Sad? Yes. Fact? Also yes.

[CelinesDIVO5]

Shaun, on 01 November 2022 - 11:27 AM, said:

“Courage” is a decent album. It *may* have sold a little more with some promotion, but only a little more. That’s just where Celine is in her career now. She’s going - or has gone - through the same phase that all “legends” have. It’s just what happens. Like has been said, history will show it was another number 1 album.

I feel “Courage” may well be the last album where she (or Sony) chase relevancy. No more Sia, Ne-Yo, Guetta or Aoki etc.

It wouldn’t surprise me if the next English projects go down the road of a “duets” album or “great American songbook” type thing. Maybe even a “Celine sings the movies” type album too. She may reconnect with has 90’s and 00’s audiences if she were to do that.

Chasing “new” fans with “modern” songs just isn’t going to work for Celine in the English market now. Sad? Yes. Fact? Also yes.

I don’t think she was “chasing new fans.” I think she was just doing what she wanted, and changing it up for herself to make things fun for her again. She should be allowed to evolve her sound. 30-40 years of the same types of ballads…monotonous, as much as we love them.

[smw]

Shaun, on 01 November 2022 - 11:27 AM, said:

"Courage" is a decent album. It *may* have sold a little more with some promotion, but only a little more. That's just where Celine is in her career now. She's going - or has gone - through the same phase that all "legends" have. It's just what happens. Like has been said, history will show it was another number 1 album.

I feel "Courage" may well be the last album where she (or Sony) chase relevancy. No more Sia, Ne-Yo, Guetta or Aoki etc.

It wouldn't surprise me if the next English projects go down the road of a "duets" album or "great American songbook" type thing. Maybe even a "Celine sings the movies" type album too. She may reconnect with has 90's and 00's audiences if she were to do that.

Chasing "new" fans with "modern" songs just isn't going to work for Celine in the English market now. Sad? Yes. Fact? Also yes.

Totally agree, and I hope it's the last time she / her team chases relevancy. The best thing Celine can do to remain relevant is to be herself.

And I would love it if she released a duets album, another Christmas album, a great American songbook album. Getting back in touch with her classic sound IS the "coolest" thing she can do.

With that said, I'm glad for her that she's gotten the chance to play around in the studio and try new things. I'm sure that was empowering and therapeutic for her. But I also hope she can understand what a legend she is with her classic sound, get inspired by that fact, and get back to basics in the studio.