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[Bralo20]

apollo28, on Jul 19 2011, 05:19 PM, said:

what makes more money - touring or vegas?

If you speak of gross revenue:

A worldtour like Taking Chances has grossed about 280 million USD.  The worldtour took about 1,5 years so per year the tour gained about 186 million USD.
Currently the Vegas show averages to about 172 USD per ticket sold.  We have 4.100 seats in the Collosseum and we have about 70 shows per year.  Per year this will give you about 49 million USD.
So a World tour will get you nearly 4 times as much revenue in one year compared to the Vegas show.

But it isn't that simple...  It's way more complicated and it's even so complicated that it's quite hard to explain since we don't know every figure.

Now, it is obvious that you can't compare the TC show with the Céline show.  For the TC show they have to travel around the globe, construct stages, transport goods and people, etc...  So the actual costs will be multiple times higher than the costs of a Vegas show.  If I find a couple of days of time I can make an estimate of the costs (I used to calculate shipments and actually ship out heavy goods throughout the world for my former employer).  You don't have any shipment costs for a Vegas show.  Also housing (if provided) will be cheaper then hotel rooms during a tour.  The only "big" cost they had in Vegas was the acquisition of the LED wall which is the property of Feeling Productions and was custom build for the AND shows.  It doesn't belong to Caesars, it's Céline's property.  Now such a LED wall (which was state of the art back in the old days) did cost millions...  At that time it was the largest inhouse high definition LED wall in the world.  Such a "gadget" costs more then a couple of "bucks"...  But...  The costs of that LED wall (around 6 million USD) will be spread over several years.  My guess it was off the books in about 5 years after which it became an item that gained revenue through rentals to other artists.  

In general...  The costs for a show in Vegas will be substantial lower then the costs for a world tour.  But even when you take all the costs in consideration (that is an estimated guess of the costs) it's my opinion that the world tour will still earn more money than the Vegas show.  Even when you take the merchandising in account...

But even there it doesn't end...  The revenue of the tickets, the merchandising aren't the sole things that bring some money...  Each "tour" (let's consider Vegas a tour for a minute) will have some sponsors.  Sponsors that will provide means...  Those means can be either money but it can also be services or goods.  For example, I'm pretty sure that Bombardier (even though never mentioned as such) was a sponsor of the Taking Chances tour.  Bombardier operated the private jet they leased during the world tour.  So they provided a "service".  Others like Live Nation (being the tour promotor) would have probably paid a nice fee to be sure that they would have the show in their portfolio.   The same for Vegas...  You can be sure that AEG Live and Caesars Entertainment paid a nice fee to have Céline perform at the Collosseum during the next couple of years...

So it's pretty hard to make an accurate calculation about which provides the most money...  But my "professional" guess () says that a World tour will gain more money then a show in Vegas (or other fixed places on the globe).

Edited by Bralo20, 19 July 2011 - 01:07 PM.

[cdtb]

All the above were really really good points of view and were presented very nicely!  

I know that we cannot be aware of everything that goes on around this subject, but the above analysis was quite close to what happens in real. I do believe that World Tour would give them more money.

And the question that comes to my mind, is: Would Celine consider doing a tour in the future, after having the twins? I do not think she would be able to travel a lot without the family. And I do not think that travelling with two little 5-year-old boys is easy (if we assume that she embarks for a world tour in 5 years, which is the earliest she could do). On the other hand in 6 or 7 years she will be 50 years old, which might put some limitations on the type of tour she can do. And having a bigger family with two so young members may make them do a different kind of tour, with many days between concerts and visiting less countries... Who knows...

Whatever she does (I mean they do, as she does not decide for most of the things), I hope it will be surrounded by quality.

[ennostiel]

So have they already extended? I got lost in all the discussions, sorry

[Sofie]

ennostiel, on Jul 25 2011, 03:04 PM, said:

So have they already extended? I got lost in all the discussions, sorry

From what I understand it's pretty much done and they're just waiting for the right time to announce it.

[welshjohn]

My wife and i were lucky to watch the show july 3rd, the last one before celines latest break.
Anyway because we are talking about a 2 year extension to her current contract,we must consider the possible longevity of the current show, and i think thats in serious doubt.
First off, we consider ourselves just  average celine fans, i know this by looking at this forum, there are seriously fanatical fans on here, and for that i applaud you. But, for fear of upsetting those, i don,t really see this show Lasting 3 years in its current form, the performance for us, once you get over the initial wonderful shock of seeing her in the flesh, was we think average, at no point did we get the feeling this was just a magical dream we waited  a long time to see.
Its difficult to not compare it with AND, but thats the only comparison we can make, because it happened at the same city and venue, we have a massive collection of celines music and consider her the best female artist of our time, but again it didn,t feel that way at the show, there was far too much emphasis on the orchestra, some of the songs just didn,t seem right to us, the MJ medley just didn,t work and the stevie wonder moment just spoilt it for us.
Writing this reply now, i have tried to remember the songlist from the show, and i,m really struggling, but what i do remember are the things that didn,t work for us, some of the above included, in order to extend the shows run, you must offer the average fan something to remember, i,m sorry to say that never happened for us.
On the night, we were unlucky to get caught up in a nasty rain shower, and were able to get a taxi, we were staying in the luxor, but talking to the taxi driver as we Brits do, he told us that he had many customers who commented on the show, and quite a few felt the excitment had dampened from celines previous visit and the buzz seems to have subsided, maybe thats expected, a 5 year run, than another 3 year run 2 years later.
Our honest opinion is we think the show was done with finance uppermost in peoples mind, and by this we mean the show was done on a tight budget, nothing like AND budget, maybe thats understandable in todays climate, but for us we expected more. Even the official program seemed to me to come a very poor second to the official program for AND.
So can celines management and ceasers palace go another 2 years, i think not in its current form, we think if you visit vegas for a second stint at the colisium, the show must be as good as, or if not better than the previous one, it definetly wasn,t for us.
Can this change, i can offer no alternatives,but they,ve all been coverd on previous topics, but song changes must be made, the show needs more punch, celines voice can only offer so much, she needs a buzz around her to make it special, and too make it special for us the paying fans.
Just to finish, we were booking tickets at a discount booth on the strip for the grand canyon and bumped into a british guy, who lived permenently in las vegas and was an ex dancer who stilled love the buzz of watching all the latest shows, so we asked if he had seen celines show, is reply amazed us, bear in mind we hadn,t seen the show up until that point, he stated if the shows management didn,t tread more carefully, celines tickets would end up being sold at his booth, we laughed that off, but kinda off get his point.

Anyway, would we go to see the show again, no not in last vegas, would we see her on a world tour, yes most definetly.

john+mandy

[puttybuddy]

Wow! I'm so sorry. You sound very disappointed! I must say I agree with you though on a few things. I went to Vegas in April for two shows, my first time ever seeing Celine. I too have a huge collection of just about everything Celine but on the flight home I thought about the "Taking Chances" world tour dvd which I had seen so many times and I starting thinking that was a tour that I really missed out on. I love Celine to death and I honestly could listen to her sing anything. She could sing for toilet paper commercials and I would buy it, but I really did miss hearing Celine do her own songs in the Vegas show. She did so many tributes and so many cover songs. I would still see the show again and I am planning on going next year but I would hope to see them change it up a bit.

[ladylindsey]

wow that's news to me! I have only heard amazing things about Celine's show and everyone I've talked to speaks very highly of the show itself and Celine. I guess it depends on whom you ask!

I love this show. I love it so much. It really is to me the perfect show for the fans and public to showcase Celine's talent. I am actually quite happy I never saw A New Day. There are plenty of shows like that on the Strip now, thanks to Celine's influence.  I am so happy to sit there and just see Celine. With a voice and gift like that, I mean, who needs anything else? She leaves the audience in awe every night.  I'm so grateful I can go see her fairly often.

[slk9683]

ladylindsey, on Jul 25 2011, 07:08 PM, said:

I love this show. I love it so much. It really is to me the perfect show for the fans and public to showcase Celine's talent. I am actually quite happy I never saw A New Day.

You never saw AND? How come?

[I Love You]

I have, seen her last two shows. But I prefer Celine, it is simply phenomenal. But AND was amazing, but this showcases her amazing voice and her band.

[ladylindsey]

slk9683, on Jul 25 2011, 09:09 PM, said:

You never saw AND? How come?

Back then, I couldn't travel bc of school. We planned a trip once and she got sick and had to cancel, so we never went of course if we couldn't see her I'm making up for it now

I think the dancers would have been great but soooo distracting! I can't take my eyes off Celine, nor do I want to in this show!

Edited by ladylindsey, 25 July 2011 - 08:35 PM.

[ennostiel]

ladylindsey, on Jul 26 2011, 02:08 AM, said:

I love this show. I love it so much. It really is to me the perfect show for the fans and public to showcase Celine's talent. I am actually quite happy I never saw A New Day. There are plenty of shows like that on the Strip now, thanks to Celine's influence.  I am so happy to sit there and just see Celine. With a voice and gift like that, I mean, who needs anything else? She leaves the audience in awe every night.  I'm so grateful I can go see her fairly often.

I totally agree with Lindsey. I only saw the show once, on premiere night - but if I could I would go see it at leat once a month, for 3 or even 5 years. I need nothing more, and the show is all about her. The visuals and the orchestra music are stunning enough for me... and the show is already developing. We'll see what happens, but I am not the least bit disappointed! I adore the show  

[celinefanonline]

that's something hear someone not so satisfy with the new show! that's new!! lol
but i thought like people from middle age up would love the show though!!

anyway i've seen both AND and Celine.... it's totally different
AND is more physical demanding and where as Celine is more vocal demanding! i love both shows but Celine has something that got me and it's really classy!

i really hope they will release the concert like around 2 years into the show and then change the songs (not all the songs) that would be great!

[violet]

ennostiel, on Jul 26 2011, 10:46 AM, said:

I totally agree with Lindsey. I only saw the show once, on premiere night - but if I could I would go see it at leat once a month, for 3 or even 5 years. I need nothing more, and the show is all about her. The visuals and the orchestra music are stunning enough for me... and the show is already developing. We'll see what happens, but I am not the least bit disappointed! I adore the show  

How is the show already developing? Have they added something new?

[Amethystj]

Hi everybody,

does anybody know if the show in Las Vegas is really extended?

Because I saw on twitter that René said in "Salut Bonjour" that a new 2-year worldtour for celine is already in the works for after Las Vegas!
So if Las Vegas is extended (till 2015!) they are planning way a head!  

[I Love You]

ennostiel, on Jul 26 2011, 05:46 AM, said:

I totally agree with Lindsey. I only saw the show once, on premiere night - but if I could I would go see it at leat once a month, for 3 or even 5 years. I need nothing more, and the show is all about her. The visuals and the orchestra music are stunning enough for me... and the show is already developing. We'll see what happens, but I am not the least bit disappointed! I adore the show  

Very well said, I love the show to. If they extend the show to five years, or leave it at three. I'm fine with that, I can't wait to see Celine for a fourth, or even a fifth time.  

[ImACelineDionFan]

In my opinion, this is her BEST show in comparison to AND and the last tour. It was just spectacular in EVERY possible way!! I absolutely loved every single song she sings, even the covers, honestly I wouldn't take anything out of the show! The musicians, special effects, EVERYTHING was just phenomenal! It makes me sad that others don't feel the same way. I am still completely blown away at how fantastic this show is. I can't wait to go back! Hope they extend it!

[celine-rc]

^I agree with you 100%!!!!

Edited by c'line-rc, 10 September 2011 - 02:50 PM.

[Kyle_Jared]

I personally think 3 years is sufficient for this show.  5 Years was needed for "A New Day" because it was so fresh, so new, so different and they didn't extend it as nearly as quickly as the talk is supposedly around this being extended an additional two years.  Casears wants to lock her in because she's their cash cow......but I think in 4 years from now this show will be long over...or "done" in people's mind.....it's too long of a run for her in Vegas.  A full 3 years or 210 shows is plenty.   I haven't even SEEN the show yet and I'm DYING TOO, but just thinking of her in Vegas for 4 more years....man.......I dunno.

I think 3 years and then a World Tour would be better.  And then no more Vegas.  EVER.  Go out on top.  She doesn't want to end it in Vegas.  I say end it on a world tour.

[Davey84]

Before talking about ending it in a world tour, I still wish she'd go back to her roots and did a full French concert again... and in smaller venues, not stadiums...

I would love it if she did a tribute show to all the iconic French singing singers, like Piaf, Brel etc...

But it shouldn't be the case that she does it in a small venue and you have to pay 300 euros for a ticket

[ilove.celine]

That's a big NO... I would love to see celine in a world tour so that many of her fans can see her...

[celinefanonline]

well i think it's pretty perfect to her the new show and the schedual !! so it's not surprising if they extend the contact!

[Timster]

I think Barnev may have just confirmed it on facebook:

[anewdayhascome]

that's a shame:(

[nuts2you]

So is that a yes, she will be extending?

[Raevaz]

nuts2you, on Nov 6 2011, 09:43 AM, said:

So is that a yes, she will be extending?

I guess so..

And Timster, your pic also might confirm that she will be performing in Texas somehow after the Vegas show!!

[Timster]

Raevaz, on Nov 6 2011, 03:58 PM, said:

I guess so..

And Timster, your pic also might confirm that she will be performing in Texas somehow after the Vegas show!!

Well, that person could have asked about any place/country and he would have given the same response - I'm sure Barnev replied thinking from a tour perspective, which clearly won't happen for at least 4 years (after Vegas). I doubt they already have plans for 2015 for a show in Texas.

[Shamrock_1982]

thats crap...

2 and a half years for this show would have been enough.

[Shaun]

I don't mind her extending the Vegas contract if she intends to do the odd concert around the world throughout the length of her Vegas contract. If however Vegas is the only place she's going to be performing during these next few years then yes this is terrible news. Surely the whole idea of 70 shows a year gives her the time to do promotion and performances elsewhere unlike the first time around in Vegas.

[Davey84]

It can also means she is taking time off after 3 years of Vegas

[Alex_Incognito]

Isn't she taking time off now? LOL