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[ZoraSourit]

Why are we talking about Mariah sale numbers? lol Who cares?!?!? Congrats to Céline.

[Nikosn17]

Ok i'm starting with the proofs.


The first thing I found:

Mariah's worldwide album sales from Sony Music Japan at the release of 'Rainbow'.



Merry Christmas - 11 million

So for 9 years since 1999 (the year ''Rainbow'' was released) I believed it has sold 1.5M considering that it sold 425k just from 2004-2006 (in America only)

Edited by Nikosn17, 22 November 2008 - 04:39 PM.

[Nikosn17]

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Columbia Blitz For Carey's 'Daydream' A Global Reality
September 9th, 1995
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The 25-year-old singer's 1993 release, ''Music Box,'' has sold 23 million copies worldwide, according to the label. Carey also issued the seasonal ''Merry Christmas'' last year, which moved 8 million units worldwide.

so 8 millions only for 1 season since this article is from 1995.


Is that enough ?

Edited by Nikosn17, 22 November 2008 - 04:40 PM.

[DuonganhCDF]

uhm, so we should trust the recording companies's announcement. So now I really believe that Celine sold at least 204millions albums , and MC's total sales(including singles...) is little bit more than 160m.

[Nikosn17]

DuonganhCDF, on Nov 23 2008, 12:56 AM, said:

uhm, so we should trust the recording companies's announcement. So now I really believe that Celine sold at least 204millions albums , and MC's total sales(including singles...) is little bit more than 160m.

What other source do you think there is ?! And if so... suddenly just like Celine's albums Mariah's record sales now are also 200M according to the intro they showed before her X-factor appearance. This is childish.
Ok don't trust record companies... trust the article then. 8millions for 1 season... I think it's possible for 13 years to sell 4M.

Edited by Nikosn17, 22 November 2008 - 05:07 PM.

[pat200]

idroveallnight, on Nov 22 2008, 10:45 PM, said:

Because there are some major lambs on this forum who try to make their love for Mariah appear very nonchalantly...

1st off: me being called a lamb!!!!!! that is the biggest insult ever!
2nd here is some proof from chartsinfrance:
Merry Christmas (1994) :
USA : 6.000.000
Canada : 250.000

Australie : 210.000
Nouvelle-Zélande : 30.000

Japon : 2.700.000
Singapour : 120.000
Corée : 600.000
Philippines : 50.000
Taiwan : 250.000

Europe : 1.600.000
- UK : 300.000
- France : 75.000
- Allemagne : 300.000
- Espagne : 50.000
- Italie : 250.000
- Pays-Bas : 175.000 (#7 (15))
- Suède : 100.000 (#4 (2)(6))
- Autriche : 35.000 (#4 (3)(5))
- Suisse : 40.000 (#4 (3)(8))
- Norvège : 40.000
- Danemark : 55.000

Afrique du Sud : 100.000

Estimations Mondiales : 13.200.000

just because i dislike someone, doesn't mean i won;t admit the truth. on the upside, celine sold about 20 million albums worldwide than mariah, so that is to me much more important!

[DuonganhCDF]

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USA : 6.000.000

???, it still has not reached 5m yet

[Love,]

DuonganhCDF, on Nov 22 2008, 04:01 PM, said:

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USA : 6.000.000

???, it still has not reached 5m yet

True, it has not even reached 5m in the US yet. That is a "very reliable" chart...

Pat, can you give us a link next time?

Are you sure you got it from chartsinfrance, or was it wikipedia.fr ?     

Edited by Love,, 22 November 2008 - 06:46 PM.

[ZoraSourit]

Once again... will we be talking about Mariah's sales in this topic? If so it is off topic, it shouldn't be on Céline's section.

[pat200]

DuonganhCDF, on Nov 23 2008, 01:01 AM, said:

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USA : 6.000.000

???, it still has not reached 5m yet

taking into consideration music club sales that are not counted by soundscan...
here is a link:
http://www.chartsinf...i...t=0&start=0
for celine:
http://www.chartsinf...i...6523&st=360
for mariah:
http://www.chartsinf...i...6523&st=270

enjoy

[pat200]

by the way, the numbers there are generated based on actual sales and not shipments. with shipments the numbers would be much higher of course. also some numbers need a little bit of updating, but he has done an amazing job thus far.

[GoldenLeaf]

pat200, on Nov 22 2008, 08:10 PM, said:

DuonganhCDF, on Nov 23 2008, 01:01 AM, said:

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USA : 6.000.000

???, it still has not reached 5m yet

taking into consideration music club sales that are not counted by soundscan...
here is a link:
http://www.chartsinf...i...t=0&start=0
for celine:
http://www.chartsinf...i...6523&st=360
for mariah:
http://www.chartsinf...i...6523&st=270

enjoy

You should know that people from chartsinfrance.net fake the albums sales numbers every now and then. Plus I highly doubt ''Merry Christmas'' sold 1million copies in ''music club'' category, that's simply impossible.  

Edited by Calypso, 22 November 2008 - 07:32 PM.

[Your_Su_Phu]

Calypso, on Nov 22 2008, 07:31 PM, said:

pat200, on Nov 22 2008, 08:10 PM, said:

DuonganhCDF, on Nov 23 2008, 01:01 AM, said:

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USA : 6.000.000

???, it still has not reached 5m yet

taking into consideration music club sales that are not counted by soundscan...
here is a link:
http://www.chartsinf...i...t=0&start=0
for celine:
http://www.chartsinf...i...6523&st=360
for mariah:
http://www.chartsinf...i...6523&st=270

enjoy

You should know that people from chartsinfrance.net fake the albums sales numbers every now and then. Plus I highly doubt ''Merry Christmas'' sold 1million copies in ''music club'' category, that's simply impossible.  

really?  celine easily sold over 1 million of 2 of her albums under a music club.  seasonal albums and greatest hits packages are often the only steady catalog sellers. it's not that hard to believe.

[Your_Su_Phu]

Calypso, on Nov 22 2008, 04:18 PM, said:

DuonganhCDF, on Nov 22 2008, 05:10 PM, said:

Nikosn17, on Nov 22 2008, 05:00 PM, said:

You wish !   

See how far would people go just because they don't like somebody... they would even trust wikipedia.

Don't just laugh. Show us proof!

Yeah, Nikosn17 and Your_Su_Phu why don't you just show us a relevant proof if you guys have one ?  

I don't want to make this into a mariah centric topic but I don't like being cornered/accused as a lamb for no good reason besides some paranoid witch hunt mentality.
since you were the one who made the first claim against her selling that number, why don't you prove it first before obligating me to?  

I'm busy right now, but when i get back, I can list for you the certifications for both mariah and celine's christmas albums.  with links to the certifications that have links.  if any are missing for celine, you are free to add them. I can only be happy that celine outsold mariah.  

I hope everyone understands that.  celine is my #1 at the end of the day.

Edited by Your_Su_Phu, 22 November 2008 - 08:27 PM.

[Ted]

Nikosn17, on Nov 22 2008, 06:01 PM, said:

DuonganhCDF, on Nov 23 2008, 12:56 AM, said:

uhm, so we should trust the recording companies's announcement. So now I really believe that Celine sold at least 204millions albums , and MC's total sales(including singles...) is little bit more than 160m.

What other source do you think there is ?! And if so... suddenly just like Celine's albums Mariah's record sales now are also 200M according to the intro they showed before her X-factor appearance. This is childish.
Ok don't trust record companies... trust the article then. 8millions for 1 season... I think it's possible for 13 years to sell 4M.

Nikosn17 don't remember you said in September "Off Topic"
"Thank you, I post only here. I won't post anywhere else... I only read in the other sections."  

[Love,]

Ted, on Nov 22 2008, 06:38 PM, said:

Nikosn17 don't remember you said in September "Off Topic"
"Thank you, I post only here. I won't post anywhere else... I only read in the other sections."  

As an analogy, Mariah is like the snake, this topic is like an apple, and Niko is like Eve.

Giving in to temptations...

Edited by Love,, 22 November 2008 - 09:52 PM.

[Nikosn17]

Ted, on Nov 23 2008, 04:38 AM, said:

Nikosn17, on Nov 22 2008, 06:01 PM, said:

DuonganhCDF, on Nov 23 2008, 12:56 AM, said:

uhm, so we should trust the recording companies's announcement. So now I really believe that Celine sold at least 204millions albums , and MC's total sales(including singles...) is little bit more than 160m.

What other source do you think there is ?! And if so... suddenly just like Celine's albums Mariah's record sales now are also 200M according to the intro they showed before her X-factor appearance. This is childish.
Ok don't trust record companies... trust the article then. 8millions for 1 season... I think it's possible for 13 years to sell 4M.

Nikosn17 don't remember you said in September "Off Topic"
"Thank you, I post only here. I won't post anywhere else... I only read in the other sections."  

How many times are you going to ask me this? It's not funny anymore... not that it has ever been. But anyway I got over it and here I am back in full force    


And thank you Pat for the estimations, I was about to post the same thing.

Edited by Nikosn17, 23 November 2008 - 03:39 AM.

[Prince Whiskers]

I thought Celine-MC sales comparisons were not allowed in this section of the forum? Where's Ronny?   

[celinefanonline]

some news from Yahoo Music
Chart Watch Extra the top 40  xmas albums
Celine's one is no 5!!! MC at no 8 Josh Groban's Noel at no 9 which is really good cause consider it only released last year!

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5. Celine Dion, These Are Special Times, 5,022,000. This is locked in a tight race with releases by Barbra Streisand and Mariah Carey as the best-selling holiday album by a female artist. It's also the best-selling holiday album by an artist born outside the United States. Dion was born in Canada. This was the #1 holiday album of 1998. It includes the #1 single "I'm Your Angel," a duet with R. Kelly.

[boyblackuk]

celinefanonline, on Dec 8 2008, 05:36 AM, said:

some news from Yahoo Music
Chart Watch Extra the top 40  xmas albums
Celine's one is no 5!!! MC at no 8 Josh Groban's Noel at no 9 which is really good cause consider it only released last year!

Quote

5. Celine Dion, These Are Special Times, 5,022,000. This is locked in a tight race with releases by Barbra Streisand and Mariah Carey as the best-selling holiday album by a female artist. It's also the best-selling holiday album by an artist born outside the United States. Dion was born in Canada. This was the #1 holiday album of 1998. It includes the #1 single "I'm Your Angel," a duet with R. Kelly.

Do u have the link to the full article?

[whineupemily]

Gosh, i hate how Mariah is always trailing behind Celine; why cant she just get pushed back with millions of unsold albums   

Anyways, 'queen' Celine's TATST album will be sell millions EVERY year, its just to hard to resist.  Plus, Celine has like the best voice for Christmas songs .. the fact that she's an angel helps to

[ThisTime]

whineupemily, on Dec 8 2008, 02:55 PM, said:

Gosh, i hate how Mariah is always trailing behind Celine; why cant she just get pushed back with millions of unsold albums   

Anyways, 'queen' Celine's TATST album will be sell millions EVERY year, its just to hard to resist.  Plus, Celine has like the best voice for Christmas songs .. the fact that she's an angel helps to

Unfortunately though with the mega popularity of All I Want For Christmas Is You, Mariah's is gonna sell too.

Edited by ThisTime, 08 December 2008 - 04:07 PM.

[Costa Santos]

boyblackuk, on Dec 8 2008, 07:32 PM, said:

celinefanonline, on Dec 8 2008, 05:36 AM, said:

some news from Yahoo Music
Chart Watch Extra the top 40  xmas albums
Celine's one is no 5!!! MC at no 8 Josh Groban's Noel at no 9 which is really good cause consider it only released last year!

Quote

5. Celine Dion, These Are Special Times, 5,022,000. This is locked in a tight race with releases by Barbra Streisand and Mariah Carey as the best-selling holiday album by a female artist. It's also the best-selling holiday album by an artist born outside the United States. Dion was born in Canada. This was the #1 holiday album of 1998. It includes the #1 single "I'm Your Angel," a duet with R. Kelly.

Do u have the link to the full article?

Here it goes...
http://new.music.yah...ristmas-albums/